(Comparative Military spending, 2002)
Ian writes more regularly for The Agonist.
Last week I talked about the principles of guerrilla warfare. This week let's talk about the US military.
Here's the baseline fact that must be accounted for - the US is currently losing two wars against a bunch of armed rabble. Both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars are being lost. The Iraq war will almost certainly be lost (though "declaring victory and leaving" might be the best path). Afghanistan, which I think is theoretically still winnable, will almost certainly be lost, since neither NATO in general, nor the US in specific is willing to spend the money or manpower necessary to win it.
Now the US is responsible for about half of all the military spending in the world. Even in purchasing parity terms, it spend as much as the next six combined. It certainly spends so much more than the Iraqi or Afghani guerrillas that they aren't even rounding errors. And yet the US is losing.
Under such a circumstance the thing that strikes me, as something of an outsider, is not that people like Obama and Clinton are suggesting the military needs even more soldiers, but the questions no one asks.
Given that the US spends almost half the world's entire military budget, how is it that it's losing two wars to a bunch of rabble?
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Are you getting your money's worth?
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What good is this military doing you, anyway?
Seriously - when you spend this much, and bear in mind that the cost of past and current military expenditures comes in at about 41% of all expenditures (28% if you just want to count current military spending) you have to turn around and ask - what are we getting for this?
The answer, as far as I can see, is "not much".
Politicians often claim that military spending "makes Americans safer". Let's examine that.
Safe from what? Is anyone going to invade you? Is there anyone who is even remotely capable of invading you? No. Right, so it's not about "defense" as traditionally understood.
Safe from terrorists? There's an argument here, I suppose, but it's not very strong. Certainly the use of military force over the last few years has increased the frequency of terrorist attacks throughout the world, not decreased them. One might argue that by "fighting them there" we aren't "fighting them here." I'm sure the Spanish and Brits might have something to say about that, but in fact, the odds of any attack from Islamic terrorists have always been low. How many terrorist attacks by foreigners (as opposed to Americans) have occurred on US soil over the last 20 years? Not many. It's a low probability event and the lack of an attack since 9/11 on US soil reflects that. Mind you, the attack on Afghanistan did disrupt al-Qaeda, and that was a good thing. But that attack did not require the vast majority of the US military and an expedition multiple times that size could be done even if the US spent much less money on the military.
In fact the majority of actual terrorist captures have been the result, not of military action, but of the sort of police and intelligence work that mostly doesn't require much in the way of military resources (special ops teams at most. And they aren't expensive compared to the big iron.)
While the military has soaked up billions, things that might keep the "homeland" safe, like scanning all cargo containers, pushing the most advanced explosive sniffers out to airports, and so on, have been grossly underfunded.
And the use of the military, as is widely acknowledged, has plunged the US's approval ratings to their lowest ever levels, spawned a whole new generation of guerrillas and terrorists with every reason to hate the US and has plunged the world's most important oil producing region into chaos which threatens the oil markets, and thus the US economy.
Anything that needs to be done against terrorists by the military can be done with a lot less military than you have now. And, honestly, given blowback such as is occurring in Iraq and Afghanistan, anything the military can do against terrorists that requires large scale intervention, is almost certainly going to be counterproductive.
To a large extent this is because you don't have a colonial anti-insurgency army. The US army is flat out awful at occupation. And this isn't because of anything easily fixed - it permeates the army. It was built for open field combat against conventional forces. The troops and equipment are fantastically expensive, making attrition warfare against any US occupying force cost the US much more than their enemies - you could lose ten guerrillas per US casualty, and they'd be ahead (the Iraqis appear to have a much better ratio than this, by the way.) US military organization is not set up for insurgency warfare. The doctrine, while it's just been re-written, is not understood by the majority of the officer corp and has not been tested in the field. And US troops have an awful attitude for 4th generation warfare, being trigger happy and far too willing to blow away civilians if they sense even the least possibility of danger to themselves. As a consequence they make enemies everywhere they go, and the longer they occupy an area, the more opposition there is, while a good occupation should do the opposite. The US also has an awful ratio of non-combatant to combatant troops and "moves heavy" with ridiculous over-use of civilian contractors who hamper it logistically, run up costs, and are not subject to military discipline, thus causing even further problems with the indigenous population.
The US military, in short, sucks at insurgency, occupation and colonial style warfare. It is brilliant at battlefield operations outside of major urban centers and is probably, as a whole, the premier battlefield supremacy army in the world today. The Gulf War showed that very clearly. And, indeed, if the US military had blown into Baghdad, toppled the regime and left in 6 months, everyone would still be trembling in fear.
What the US has, then, is a decapitation military. It's very good at knocking off governments, but not so good at guaranteeing what happens afterwards.
Is this worth what you're paying for it? Certainly the military has its uses. The navy, in particular, keeps trade lines open that are vital to the US economy. But do you need the world's most expensive military? If you do, do you need a decapitation/battlefield supremacy army of the sort you have, or do you need to convert it into one suitable for fighting colonial anti-insurgency wars. Call it "peace making", "nation building", whatever - do you want an army capable of going into other nations and ruling them until a government is in place you can live with? Capable of fighting and defeating guerrillas?
Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama and most of the Republican field, want to increase the size of the US's ground forces. That makes sense only if you expect to be involved in more wars on the Iraq model - occupations; guerrilla wars - or if you intend to be blowing over even more, and more powerful governments.
And there is an opportunity cost to the military. As Eisenhower pointed out so eloquently, every dollar spent on the military is a dollar that could have been spent helping someone who needed it - feeding the hungry, teaching those who need schooling, caring for the sick, or even just repairing roads or building high speed Internet so the US stops falling behind other 1st world nations.
A modern military is almost always a huge burden on the state and the people of the state. It produces nothing. It is nothing but a money suck. Sometimes it's necessary - some nations really are in danger of being invaded. Other states have problems with internal order that require them to have an army to put down parts of their own population (Turkey and the Kurds, for example).
But the US doesn't have any possibility of being invaded; doesn't need an army for internal order (and is forbidden to use it for that purpose in any case); and is running significant trade; government and balance of payment deficits. Entitlements are currently under pressure, with much talk, still, in elite circles of 'reforming" both social security and Medicare. And in this context, folks, reform always means providing less and taxing more.
At some point the US is going to have to make some hard decisions about what's going to give. You can't have all of - low taxes on the rich, a big military, entitlements spending, big deficit spending. One, or probably two, of those pillars, are going to have to go.
At the current time, elite thinking is that it's going to be entitlements and maybe, just maybe, the deficit. It sure isn't going to be low taxes on the rich or the military which makes so many corporations rich and which so many regard as "untouchable" and oh-so American (an attitude, by the way, that would have made most of America's founders, with their profound distrust of standing armies, sick to their stomaches.)
Perhaps you think the military gives you something that's worth all that money. To me all it does is tempt politicians to use it, suck money out of the rest of the economy, and endanger the remnants of the New Deal. Some might say that it endangers republican Democracy itself, as the march towards permanent war "the long war" along with arguments about the "Commander-in-Chief" has been used to undermine liberty at home.
The founders argued that large standing armies were inimical to liberty, to democracy, to the health of the economy and to peace itself. I'd say they knew what they were talking about.
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Hi Ian
Ooh, #3 cool!
And this is just one town:
AP - Security forces in Baghdad have full control in only 40 percent of the city five months into the pacification campaign, a top American general said Saturday as U.S. troops began an offensive against two al-Qaida strongholds on the capital’s southern outskirts.
This statement is so true Ian: And, indeed, if the US military had blown into Baghdad, toppled the regime and left in 6 months, everyone would still be trembling in fear.
War! What is it good for?
Great post, Ian.
BAGHDAD - Private security companies, funded by billions of dollars in U.S. military and State Department contracts, are fighting insurgents on a widening scale in Iraq, enduring daily attacks, returning fire and taking hundreds of casualties that have been underreported and sometimes concealed, according to U.S. and Iraqi officials and company representatives.
While the military has built up troops in an ongoing campaign to secure Baghdad, the security companies, out of public view, have been engaged in a parallel surge, boosting manpower, adding expensive armor and stepping up evasive action as attacks increase, the officials and company representatives said. One in seven supply convoys protected by private forces has come under attack this year, according to previously unreleased statistics; one security company reported nearly 300 “hostile actions” in the first four months.
i think the only way to keep us safe is to NOT fight wars. war, for many, seems like a good quick solution, but like you said it can make us less safe, and it is just a temporary solution to what is usually a bigger problem.
Does the miltary budget numbers include non military aid to Iraq and Afghanistan? What about Mercs where are the paid for in the budget? If we include the Mercs how many troops do we really have fighting?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
What percentage did we have control of before the surge? Also are we controling all the bridges yet and how many bridges had to be blown up in Bagdad before our military started to catch on?
Don’t know about the rest of ya, but I’m going to go back downstairs to the previous (environmental) thread, since that’s my bag. (Plus pandemic flu.)
In other words, I hereby declare the previous threat not closed.
(Can I do that?)
The US is in precisely the position of France in the 17th and 18th centuries, the Italian kingdoms, Spain and the Holy Roman Empire at that time. The monarchs and princes of those nations bankrupted their countries through the profligate and unsustainable pursuit of war (la gloire)and religious repression. In France, the burden of debt and the incompetence of its rulers in dealing with it eventually erupted in a revolution. The question is: can America avoid this fate and elect leaders who can shrink the military-industrial-Congressional complex.
Prof @ 11
Don’t know, I’ll have to check with the other peasants.
Hi Ian!
now to read post
Such an important and excellent post Ian!
Should be required reading by every elected official in the country, most especially in the State Houses and the US Senate and House. Maybe we’ll get really lucky and Joe Liarman will read it too.
Perpetual war for perpetual peace.
Can there ever be an honest discussion in American politics about the military: its purposes, capabilities, and shortcomings? I think not — witness the “support the troops!” ammo sent Harry Reid’s way for criticizing the incompetence of Peter Pace.
As long as America’s corporations are dependent on warmaking, and as long as Americans believe themselve exceptional, America will have a large standing army extremely well-qualified and well-equipped to fight the last war. It will require a magnificent catastrophe — whether natural, manmade, economic or ecological — to undo the role of the military in American affairs.
Swell post, Ian — thanks so much!
A trillion here; a trillion there…
Many of us can’t help but wonder how things would look today had we (they) not gone into Iraq. Imagine how our standing in the world would differ. How could the money have been spent? I really cannot understand why we are there.
Incredible post, Ian
how much of today’s “booming” economy is due to military/war spending anyway?
I’m stupid about economics
Parents. One of the benefits of spending all this money on losing propositions like Iraq is that you won’t have to worry about sending your kids to college. You won’t be able to afford to.
Excellent post, Ian, and a wedge Democrats should pound home every chance they get - the cost-effectiveness of our MIC.
I think the founders distrusted a standing army not only because of the drain on resources, but because they realized those forces would generally be engaged, thus stifling domestic debate (you can’t question a Rep. president during a time of war, but you sure as hell impeach a Dem. one under the same conditions!).
Given the costs of war did our Generals ever tell Bush how that if we have X amount of troops in Iraq, for X amount of years, we would need to pump X barrels of oil, assuming todays current prices. That is assuming we ever get Iraq pumping oil again full stength. I’m wondering how long will this war have to go on before buying every Family in America a hybrid car would have been a cheaper option. A demand driven drop in oil prices would freeze Al Quieda’s funding. A world wide plan to only sell cars around the world that get 50 mpg, light trucks at 35 and big trucks 25 plus they would all be diseal for more pulling power. Would terrify the rich Arabs who fund Al Queida turning the funders of terror against the terrorists and would divide the movment. Plus it would be a lot cheaper than this war.
Eisenhower was so prophetic in warning us about the “military industrial complex”.
Corporations are always hungry to suck from the military teat and with large donations (bribes) to candidates and post-office lucrative lobbying and consulting positions(more bribes) they guarantee tha the milk keeps flowing…
Public funding of elections and no more lobbies now!
The magical month of September (Iraq occupation funding) is fast approaching.
Loo Hoo. @ 18
For me, Loo Hoo, it’s hard to imagine that without popping a few blood vessels.
and I’m cynical enough to think there are those legislators and pundits in favor of easy immigration from Latin America just so there are more bodies to put in uniform, more soldier pawns to fight this Global Monopoly/Risk Game.
We are repeating the mistakes of all the previous great powers exactly. Just mix the cost of empire and the decimation of production because financial speculation is favored over investment in domestic manufacturing and BAM! The next thing you know your a second rate power. Just ask the formerly Great Britain.
It Elliott @ 19
A large amount of what has kept the economy going is war stimulus spending. Very inefficient way to do it, but it works. Stirling Newberry likes to joke “the patient breathes just fine, so long as we don’t unhook him”, my comparison is to an addict - each hit the economy gets works less and less well….
Ian, that post was spot on!!! As a twenty-yr Army vet, I concur with many of your points! I would like to expand a little on it! 1) The Army is geared for ‘force-on-force’ tactics, not, guerilla warfare, our Independence from Britain was secured through a similar attrition rate and costs that the Brits were unwilling to endure! 2) Ike warned us early on about the Military/Industrial complex’s growing undue influence on our national treasury and congress! And, 3) The funds expended on our ‘National Defense’ is monies spent with no tangible net worth, not only because of the diversion from productive Societal uses, but, also because much of the monies are squandered/wasted by the Uniformed Services and the Defense Contractors’ No-Bid shenanigans!
September:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfLEc09tTjI
Thanks, Ian, for raising these issues, they desperately need wider discussion.
Some of us are old enough to remember that the Democratic Party used to be called the “war party”. WWI, WWII, the Korean War, all fought under Democratic presidents. Vietnam was started by a Democrat (Kennedy) and ended by a Republican (Ford).
Clinton and the DNC appear to want to go back to those days. Clinton has been very clear that she wants to increase the size of the military and use it offensively to escalate the war in Afghanistan and to threaten Iran. Obama seems to be embracing the same approach, although somewhat reluctantly.
Right now the Democratic candidates seem to me to be advocating a colonial-style aggressive US military more than at least Romney or Giuliani on the Republican side (McCain is a wacko but I don’t consider him to be a serious candidate). People on the left in particular need to think, I believe, about whether or not that is what America should stand for.
Pastor Dan is not happy with Obama. Via C&L:
http://www.streetprophets.com/.....122443/800
Or this September:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqiyYulA8pM
And now the military industrial complex includes mercenaries, and we’re even outsourcing spy work!
greed is not good
Spiny @ 26
Which raises the obvious point; ‘If one doesn’t learn from history, one is doomed to repeat it!’ If only the Neocons had been intellectually curious… 8-(
DrenchedOtter @ 30:
Right now the Democratic candidates seem to me to be advocating a colonial-style aggressive US military more than at least Romney or Giuliani on the Republican side…
I thought I heard something about “Double Gitmo” from the last Republican debate. We aren’t hearing that from Hillary, Obama, or anyone on our side. Thank goodness.
Loo Hoo. @ 18
yeah, it really sucks in incomprehensible ways, doesn’t it?
in addition to all the human cost in the middle east, it just makes me heartsick to see the way we pissed away the sympathy offered to us after 9/11. really a lost chance.
Loo Hoo. @ 31
That is very bad news.
and ian, nice post. lotta good info and analysis.
Our whole country has its priorities upside down. I just wrote a post about corporate crime and the difference from regular crime, but how the media makes it seem the other way round.
Spiny @ 26
lots of ways that the UK is a nicer and more comfortable place to live these days than the US. of course, plenty of rough transition times. but there are worse places to end up ….
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 35
I agree that Giuliani in particular, and many of the other Republican candidates more evasively, are advocating expansion of domestic police power to curtail individual liberties at home.
However, it seems to me that at least the leaders on the Republican side are far more reluctant to commit the US military outside Iraq than the Democrats. It’s Clinton who is out there criticizing Bush for not being aggressive enough on Iran, even as Gates tries to soften the rhetoric.
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 35
I don’t know, I certainly do not like the rhetoric being espoused by the Dem frontrunners! I like Kucinich’s Dept. of Peace proposal! :-0
A good question to ask the General Petraeus is how does he expect America to pay for this war? When he says that is Congresse’s job (Bahahaha evil laugh) no seriously we say YOU really have no idea how long America can afford to keep troops in the field? How can you know that unless you know how we can pay for those troops. Now then Peter is your war worth raising taxes for? and if so in your opinion on whom would the taxes be raised and by what amount?
things come undone @ 43
even better question to ask our congress critters and the pres candidates who are trying to dodge this issue …
lee5 @ 36
remember how the whole world cried with us that day? I was overwhelmed by the heartfelt feelings from around the globe. wouldn’t happen now.
We must round up and try these war criminals, sooner rather than later, even if it means kidnapping the lot of them mossad style from Dubai and down Paraguay Way. That’s our only hope for redemption.
Someone better throw some lime on the caracass of American Democracy. I can smell the stink from DC all the way up here in New Hampshire.
-GSD
Elliott @ 45
I was spending a lot of time in europe in 2001 and 2002 and saw attitudes changing first hand as it became clear what we were about to do. pretty discouraging
So. If suddenly we stopped the Iraq occupation and brought all our troops home, what effect would that have on our economy?
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 35
It sure would be nice if Kucinich got more credit for having the courage to run a campaign of ideas, instead of the endless stories about his height and his haircut!
SnarKassandra @ 39
Ain’t that the truth, Missie! Blue-collar crime’s cost is maybe a fifth of White-collar crimes monetary damages, yet, Blue-collar criminals face five times harsher sentences than White-collar criminals!!! A sad commentary on our priorities!!!
DrenchedOtter @ 49
yeah, but then we might have to pay attention to the ideas!
Thank you, Ian! Our military is bleeding us dry, can’t fight today’s wars, is wasting huge amounts on preparing to fight the last four wars, is promoting religious zealots, and has contempt for the American citizenry that pay for it. It can’t protect us against terrorists, and its belligerance on nuclear superiority makes us more vulnerable to attack, not less.
In short, it does us no good and thinks it is better than us.
Chop it down to a quarter of its size and then let’s see what its priorities are.
lee5 @ 44
Yes with a follow up question after the normal “talking points answer” we need a truth squad to interupt during a debate to get real answers out of these ….and I include the Democrats.
Don’t Stop Belivin’
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Rich: Scooter’s ‘Sopranos’ go to the mattresses
Frank Rich compares the Jersey mob family portrayed in a hit TV show with the real-life “Washington mob.” Rich takes aim at all those pushing for a pardon for former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, who was convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice during the CIA leak investigation, and sentenced to thirty months in prison.
“True, the Washington mob isn’t as sexy as the Gotti or Soprano clans, but there is now a gripping nonfiction dramatization of its machinations available gratis on the Internet, no HBO subscription required. For this we can thank U.S. District Judge Reggie Walton, who presided over the Scooter Libby trial,” Rich continues. “Walton’s greatest move was not the 30-month sentence he gave Libby, a fall guy for higher-ups (and certain to be pardoned to protect their secrets). It was instead the judge’s decision to make public the testimonials written to the court by members of the Washington establishment pleading that a criminal convicted on four felony counts be set free.”
On Friday, RAW STORY published an essay written by Bill Moyers, based on that night’s edition of his weekly public affairs program Bill Moyers Journal, entitled “Begging his Pardon,” in which he slammed neoconservatives for ignoring the “real fallen soldiers,” as they plead for leniency on behalf of a former White House official who “deliberately poured poison into the drinking water of democracy by lying to federal investigators, for the purpose of obstructing justice.”
Rich similarly concludes, “When the godfathers of this war speak of never leaving ‘a fallen comrade’ on the battlefield in Iraq, as Ajami writes of Libby, they are speaking first and foremost of one another.”
Libby’s lawyers argued that these letters should remain locked away on the hilarious grounds that they might be “discussed, even mocked, by bloggers.”
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 6
Bruce did a great version too. I have to see if they have the video of him version of the song that is on Live 1975-85.
military keynesism is an addiction
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
Reminds me of the now cashiered talking point:
“Only 4 of Iraqs 18 provinces have insurgent activity.”
We don’t hear that one much no mo’.
-GSD
How is it you and I can figure this out but those who graduate from our military academies can’t ???
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 55
I found it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DIp7ew_z8I
DrenchedOtter @ 49
He may be short in stature, but, he is grand(iose) in ideas!!! ;-)
A very, very fine post, Ian.
I really do not understand what looks to me like American sentimentality about their military.
All of this “protecting out freedoms” stuff - and when was the last time the US fought a purely defensive war? When was the last time the Americans were NOT engaged in some military adventure overseas?
James E. Thompson @ 58
I think they can. They just have to suck up to Commander Guy.
Oh, and my other thought - Ian, you mentioned that there was still a chance of winning in Afghanistan . Any idea what a victory would look like?
Elliott @ 33
RJ Hillhouse was on latenight on Thursday with lots of good info. Her new book OUTSOURCED has been published. If you want to read the comments, start at #158.
http://www.thespywhobilledme.com/
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 62
My brother is in the military and he’s turning pretty liberal and has opinions about the war that are not the same as Bush. But he is not allowed to put them in writing or in public.
It seems that a very bad, but relatively small element, of so-called elected officials has a very bad grip on our psyche. It lies to us every day all day long, through its mouthpiece, the mainstream media. It tells us that if we leave Iraq, the world will fall apart. It tells us that we must continue to sacrifice our children so that the world doesn’t fall apart. It tells us that people will swim the oceans, and fly the airstreams to kill us all, and cross the border, no…they’re already here, in your neighborhood, at the pizza parlor… If not the enemy, then it will be a virus, or a rogue atom bomb, coming through our ports… We’re all gonna die, any minute…AAAAAAHHHHH.
STOP. STOP. STOP.
We have to STOP.
Stop the lies. Stop the liars. We know the truth, and their lies are not the truth.
I am not afraid of them. Not one little bit.
selise @ 56
Elegantly said, selise. I think we are facing that from both parties, maybe the Democrats more than the Republicans: the idea that spending more money on the military is good because it stimulates the economy, provides jobs for young people, and distributes government money to states that might otherwise be short-changed. Once you’re hooked, it’s hard to get that monkey off your back.
Lee5, do you live in England?
Fern @ 61
But, but, I thought Shrub ran on a ‘No nation-building’, Clinton has broken our Military, ad nauseum… Platform in ‘00!!! ;-)
time to repost
tw3k’s PNAC video link:
war corporatism
Well, if the Pentagon and their buddies at Lockheed, Boeing, GE, Raytheon et al could pull their collective heads out of their a**es and look at the world as it is and not as they wish it were, we could start be cancelling things like the Osprey, all the next generation fighter and bombers, star wars/missle defense, battlefied tactical nukes, large tanks, aircraft carrier groups, and I know I’m missing a few dozen other big ticket systems.
Might even save a few billion dolalrs each year out to where the costs are anticipated to be at the trillions level.
I ain’t holdin’ my breath on it though…
Loo Hoo. @ 68
nope — Colorado. (Didn’t you spend time in liverpool area earlier in life? Am I remmebering correctly?)
But, I’ve spent a lot of time there (just visiting and for work).
Loo Hoo. @ 64
Thanks! will also look for her book.
So our military is just like our health care. Spend a lot, get very little. Except for the few at the top who get very, very rich.
During the ‘04 campaign, didn’t Bush use the phrase “results matter”? Why doesn’t someone, anyone, on the tv, remind him of that, and use these kinds of figures to prove that everything the Bush administration does SUCKS!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 48
Recession.
cassie at 39 says:
Our whole country has its priorities upside down. I just wrote a post about corporate crime and the difference from regular crime, but how the media makes it seem the other way round.
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darlin’ i remember when it was the other way around……..and i’m not the only one…….which gives me great hope that people still remember what the word ‘ethics’ means……..i am glad and heartened that you know what it means…….i love your voice. keep on using it.
frank 33:
left you a comment at watergate thread at 146
James E. Thompson @ 58
What’s the saying “it’s hard to make a man understand something his job requires him not to understand”?
People who have military careers generally believe big militaries are good things. People like Eisenhower are anomalies.
Ian Welsh @ 75
ian, do you think this consideration is driving any of the congressional “support” for continuing the iraq occupation?
Elliott @ 70
heh, that is a powerful toob isn’t it.
LS at 66, LOVE YA!
Ian Welsh @ 75
and if the Great Plains are planted solely in corn, you can add dustbowl to that to get another Great Depression
Fern @ 63
A reasonably decentralized state.
They key to winning in Afghanistan is flooding the place with money that makes it into the hands of ordinary Afghanis and of building up an administration. Soros had some interesting comments in his last book on how you’d do it.
But it won’t happen, because no one is going to spend the necessary money. Money isn’t meant for peasants and ordinary people, better to spend it on guns and overprices contractors.
I would also recommend The New American Militarism by Andrew Bacevich.
-GSD
lee5 @ 72
No time in Liverpool. In fact, the only time I’ve been in England is when I was in Heathrow on the way home from Italy. August 12 of last year, the week-end of the sports drink terror threat. Absolute nightmare.
selise @ 78
It is in the Dems interest, realpolitik, for the war to end about the end of this year, I’d say, so the US is in a significant recession by election time.
If I were a Republican, based just on this, I’d have wanted the war either ended by now, or hang on till after the election.
But I think for Republicans it really is coming down to macho authoritarian tribalism. They just can’t bear to admit it’s lost, and that they were wrong, really.
Ian Welsh @ 75
Most certainly, if only because what manufacturing base we have left here in the States, is primarily Defense related industry!!! Not a pretty picture, folks!
50 acres have burned, and they’re starting evacuations.
Ian Welsh @ 82
And oil and gas pipelines.
-GSD
Ian Welsh @ 75
Yes… that’s what would happen. But we’re not saying that is a reason to not stop the occupation. Are we?
Ian Welsh @ 75
what about a matched program to invest in clean energy, global warming mitigation, social justice, health care, education, etc.? (I know … dreamin’ the dream)
Loo Hoo. @ 87
ooh … that sucks ….
tw3k @ 79
indeed!
What we need even less is the large standing army based in North Carolina called the Blackwater Group. It also has bases in other locations; I think they’re in or near DC, Chicago and central California. Just right for counter-insurgency work at home.
The scale of Bush administration outsourcing is extensive and badly underreported; military outsourcing is just the most visible. Instead of doing the traditional military job with govt employees, who work at cost, Bush outsourced the work to private businesses, substantially increasing the cost and gutting accountability. In many instances, it also means getting poor value for money.
Mercenaries, for example, operate in a legal black hole. They are not bound by the int’l treaties that govern US forces. It’s unclear whether they have any practical liability under those contracts with Shrub. National laws don’t exist yet to hold them accountable in Iraq and Afghanistan, and where they do, “status of forces” agreements have been expanded to include our private armies, which exempts them from liability.
From Bush’s perspective, mercenaries allow him to fight in Iraq with twice the forces than he’s reported as using, so the war looks a lot smaller and less expensive. Their use avoided a politically inconvenient draft or publicly debated congressionally authorized increase in size of US forces. But they’re expensive, which means we’re paying a helluva lot to make life convenient for George Bush. (Standard operating procedure for those in Mr. Bush’s wake.)
That legal black hole is also convenient because it makes it hard to sort out who’s responsible when things go wrong. It’s hard even to determine who has jurisdiction to prosecute a claim. While this nominally reduces costs, it does so only because it “externalizes” them onto those harmed, who go uncompensated. (Another standard procedure for Team Bush.) Morally, ethically and legally wrong, it ensures that we create enemies for life.
Just as dangerous from a citizen’s perspective is that the scope of what our govt is responsible for goes underreported and unaccounted for - because sleight-of-hand budgeting hides the costs among many budgets.
Blackwater exists because of George Bush, not because it meets an essential need in an efficient or effective way. In my opinion, its existence is a continuing threat to national security, which Congress should promptly investigate.
Ian Welsh @ 85
yeah, just listen to William “the Bloody” Kristol
dmac @ 76
I do not want to beat a dead horse named Taibbi to death. You are correct, the dialog, the vocabulary, the “catapulting” of propaganda makes words weapons. Taibbi helps keep the war going, by spreading Bright Shiny Objects.
This is a time of war all right, and a time to show real courage. Most of the folks at FDL do. Also, thank you Ian Welsh.
About time somebody here in the ‘Big Leagues’ got their head out. All this bloviating about ‘are we safer…
Compared to what? The money we are bulldozing conveyor belting into the rathole we call the ‘Defense Department’ has created an entire nation addicted to the MI complex. Read my post: Military Keynesianism: What is that? And why should I care? for much more on what is going on backstage of the ‘freedom and democracy’ show.
And I’m not just talking about the actions of the ‘Duke’ Cunninghams, the Diane Feinsteins and all the rest of our bought and paid for convicted or not legislators. Joey the LiarMann ran on the plank that he ’saved the Groton submarine works….’ and voters bought in on that and re-elected him.
For decades ‘bringing home the bacon…’ has been the way to win re-election and the citizens have wallowed in the grease that results. Good high paying jobs building the machines of war. The next weeks paycheck the only concern. I worked on summer at the NARF in Oakland, CA where they rebuilt the war machinery with which we tried to hammer the Vietnamese into subjugation. Many, many workers there had gone into debt for various things, second homes…cars…whatever, based on the fact that the were sure to work every Saturday for the foreseeable future….at time-and-a-half.
People need to understand that the real reason we are in Iraq is to allow Halliburton, General Dynamics, Lockheed, and the rest of the MI Complex to loot the U.S. Treasury under the rubric of ‘Defense’. Further, that if they are working overtime in some munitions plant in Oklahoma that is a lousy trade: Chump change in the pocket now at the expense of any viable future for their kids.
You can also watch my slide show: Military Keynesianism: So yer WingNut friends can understand.
Then give some thought to what our country could do with the massive, obscene excess we are wasting on a 300 ship navy, the V-22 and more nuclear aircraft carriers. It’s sickening and stupid and what is worse very few are paying any attention to this issue whatsoever.
This is an area it would be great to see more analysis and blogging on up here in the ‘Big Leagues’.
It’s important.
Loo Hoo. @ 84
oops … then I’m confusing you w/ some other fire pup. (embarassed) a