My mother never gave me a condom-keyring like this when I was a teenager. Of course, my mother isn’t a former assistant United States attorney, a current St. Louis municipal court judge, an advisor to Missouri’s 22nd Judicial Circuit’s Drug Court, a Planned Parenthood board member, and the wife of the US representative from MO-3.
Meet Debra A. Carnahan:
Rep. Russ Carnahan (D-Mo.) and his wife, Debra, do not believe in having the traditional sex talk with their two teenage sons. Instead, they argue, it’s an ongoing conversation.
Debra, a municipal judge who sits on the national board of Planned Parenthood, got right to the point with the couple’s 17-year-old. One day she brought him a keychain with a condom on it. He laughed.
“I don’t think he uses it,” Debra says.
Like many parents, the Carnahans want their children to make smart decisions about sex and don’t want them having it too soon. Debra and Russ talk to them about contraception. Debra has them watch TV programs.
“I don’t ever want my sons to have an unwanted pregnancy,” she says. She adds dramatically: “I don’t want my sons to die.” Unlike many parents, the Carnahans are not just ordinary parents trying to figure out how to talk to their children about sex. They serve a higher, more complicated cause: international family planning. Russ’s post on the House Foreign Affairs Committee provides him an ideal perch to address those concerns, while Debra’s role on the Planned Parenthood board offers her a unique position as well.
The Carnahan’s current target in that complicated cause is the infamous Global Gag Rule which prohibits any foreign NGO from receiving US funding if they (a) perform abortions for reasons other than rape, incest, or the life of the mother; (b) provide counseling and referrals for abortions; or (c) lobby on behalf of abortion rights in their country. The results of the GGR have been appalling.
Planned Parenthood Federation of America, the International Planned Parenthood Federation, and Population Action International have banded together to form the Global Gag Rule Impact Project. Their research in various developing countries shows not just the failure of the GGR to curtail abortions, but also its negative impacts: closed clinics, drastic cutbacks in community outreach and education programs, elimination of the availability of contraception, increased STDs (including HIV/AIDS) and more.
Russ introduced HR 2367, which would allow funding for contraceptives. (Search THOMAS for the full text of the relatively short bill, and read some sobering stats.) In the House Appropriations Subcommittee on State, Foreign Operations, and Related Programs, this exemption was approved earlier this week, and now it goes on to the full committee.
But it’s Debra who has my attention.
“You’ll meet people, heads of state [who say], ‘Oh hi, how are you, you’re the wife,’” says Debra, who served as a district attorney and an assistant U.S. attorney under the Clinton administration. “There’s a sexism there. Sometimes [I’m] dismissed as the tagalong. That does change when people find out I’m a lawyer and a judge.”
How does she handle it? “I push right through it,” she says. “If they are complete jerks, I walk away. The rest of the time I stand there, I start to participate in the conversation. It’s not about proving something. It’s about being who you are and being part of the process and being involved.”
That’s not a bad mantra: Be yourself. Be part of the process. Be involved.
That’s how you save the world. Talk to your kids, your government, and the world. Tell them “the wife” sent you.
(image from the PP of CT store. I don’t know if this is the exact one Debra gave her son, but thought it was fun!)



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Very nice Peterr!
I assume this is the same Carnahan family whose dead father still managed to beat John Ashcroft out of a Senate seat…..
What is this ‘condom’ you speak of?
Sparkles the Iguana @ 5
Oh, yes. Governor Mel (the deceased victor) and Senator Jean (the replacement named to take the seat) are Russ’ parents.
Balrog @ 6
I think it’s a bit too late to explain it to you, Balrog!
“tagalong”
that’s either a Filipino language or a Girl Scout cookie, I think…
you can’t expect someone to automatically know that you are involved in the same causes as your spouse… take a chill pill, judge… (OK, I AM saying that only because this is only forum in which I can get away with it…)
Peterr @ 8
But we have the weerog to think about…
Oooh, Gore speech on Randi Rhodes now! Wowzer, go Gore!
The best advice I ever received from my late father was when I was twelve or thirteen. Like all the “kewl kidz” back in the day, I carried a condom in my wallet.
I had been out to the local youth center one summer night and when I got home, he called me into his bedroom and sat me down. He told me that he’d noticed my wallet and apologized for looking through it (although as most anyone of an age can attest, that ring tended to be fairly obvious).
“Boy, you know what those things are for?”
“Yassir”
“You know how to use ‘em?”
“Yassir”
“Make damn sure you do!”
“Yassir”
I thanked him for that advice a couple of times over the years…
I hope they got the son’s permission before explaining in a Hill newspaper article that he’s not having sex! He’s gonna have to live that down for awhile.
When you’re selling out America’s leadership position in the world for the benefit of the republican Christo-Fascist base, nothing is off-limits.
The Global Gag Rule was one in a series of steps designed to promote a fundamentalist agenda outside the US, because an activity like that would be unconstitutional here. Oh, wait I forgot… there’s the Office of Faith Based Initiatives and public funding of churches now. O! Silly, forgetful me.
Worst Preznit EVAH!
here’s something that will drive the religionists NUTZO
if we believe in god then we accept his design of man.
the human being acquires their sex drive at adolesence…right around 13
the Jewish religion recognizes this fact and actually celebrates it with a bar or bat mitzvah
there was a time when mortality or community opportunity necessitated marriage soon after adolescence, we all heard stories of our ancestors being married around 13…. a generation ago a girl was an old hag if she wasn’t married by 21
when we are in the womb we don’t need to breath, we are not at that stage of development
when we do reach that stage we will die if we don’t breath
before we reach adolescence we are not at the stage where the drive to procreate is present or pervasive, but once that time arrives it cannot be reckoned
we will relieve this drive one way or another, if not consciously then unconsciously (Le “wet dream”)
the point I’m making is the religionists are countering the design of god when they suggest an adult “abstain”
*takes a bow*
Sparkles the Iguana @ 5
Yup. I envisioned Jean Carnahan hoisting, in the manner of The Bowler, her dead husband’s head high and flinging it at Ashcroft.
OT but Kos and a couple of other sites are posting that there are 31 names on the list for Republican Senator from Wyoming to replace the recently deceased (will be winnowed to three before presentation to the Governor).
Lynne Cheney’s name is NOT on the list.
Wasn’t George W Bush’s first official act, while his boil from the selection was still healing, an “Executive Order” cutting off family planning to 3rd world nations (Reagan did the same thing, Clinton put it back) because that funding MIGHT relieve budgets that MIGHT provide abortions which is not the policy of the US. So Bush2’s action eliminating funding/knowledge of family planning would certainly lead to an increase in unplanned pregnancies and MORE abortions.
Isn’t that a ticket straight to Hell?
When SF AIDS agencies were under attack by the Bushies (thanks, Tommy Thompson and Claude Allen!!) for our racy messaging and community-appropriate outreach, here’s how I sold “the condom chat” in the San Francisco sex clubs:
Be there when the condom’s really needed, and you’ll prevent conception and disease.
dakine01 @ 17
There will still plenty of cretins on that list.
Pete Bogs @ 9
It might have been clearer if The Hill had used a hyphenated spelling: tag-along. (Tagalog is the language.)
But Debra wasn’t ticked that folks didn’t know she was involved in the same causes. She was put out that she is often seen by male bigwigs to be “an afterthought” (as the interview put it), as a mere appendage known as The Wife.
I wonder if Debra’s met Valerie Plame.
Pete Bogs @ 9
Actually the Phillipine language is tagalog not tag-along.
It is the name of the type of cookie.
dakine01 @ 22
Bil @ 18
That’s the Global Gag Rule in the post.
And yes, by the Right’s yardsticks, pushing a policy that increases abortions is a big no-no. Of course, IOKIYAR, so Bush is off the hook with them.
Bil @ 18
Current BushCo policy (under the rubric of “anti-trafficking”) prohibits recipient agencies from working with sex workers, the best front-line HIV/AIDS educators in many cultures. If agencies use US money to educate sex workers, their money is withdrawn and they are labelled “trafficking organizations” which can get them into big legal trouble with their home governments,
BushCo is pro-AIDS. Pass it on.
TeddySanFran @ 25
EXCELLANT, and nobody could deny it base on his decisions and the results of those decisions
Peterr @ 8
did you rubber the wrong way?
Consider Kenya, for example (from Access Denied):
As a Kenyan government staff member put it, “The Global Gag Rule does not make sense. It is not applied to the United States. Instead, it is applied to countries that are the poorest . . . that have the highest rates of maternal mortality.”
perris @ 26
From what I’ve read elsewhere about the G8 AIDS aid announcement — fifty billion dollars or whatever — it was simply an aggregated summary of previously announced commitments.
TeddySanFran @ 29
Not the first time ChimpCo has tried that.
punaise @ 27
It’s been a Goodyear for reproduction.
Of course they are against people with AIDs. They would like nothing better than to see the “national interests” of oil, diamonds, etc., and other natural resources to become available, because the populations occupying such territory in third-world nations die off. They won’t ever need to fire a shot.
Bil @ 18
Oh, he has a ticket on the hell express all right, for any of a number of reasons.
In one of my former parishes, two women were talking about the local high school, where the school nurse could provide condoms. The older of the two was appalled: “I don’t like it. It’s like we’re giving them encouragement to have sex.” The younger replied, “When I was their age, my girlfriends and I worried about getting pregnant. Today, I worry about my kids dying.”
From the interview, Debra Carnahan has the same concern as that younger woman. This is a matter of providing choices that will enable folks to stay alive.
One of the worst things about the Global Gag Rule, and other pronouncements like it, is that condescension literally drips from every part of it. “We are white christian males, and our god is bigger than your god, and we are raised above you because we know what’s best for you!
Balrog @ 31
she must be glowing with pride – positively radial.
Peterr @ 34
From my memories of high school, I don’t recall any need for “encouragement.”
But you are right, Peterr, the stakes are immeasurably higher these days. And not giving kids education and tools is stupid — they end up making “technical” choices to preserve their virginity that are just as liable to transmit disease.
Balrog @ 6
Not made of flame retardant rubber if that’s what you’re asking…
LS @ 32
Actually, a number of the career folks in the State and Defense departments worry about AIDS a lot, because it is destabilizing whole nations in Africa. Entire generations are being wiped out, leaving in some cases the very old and very young as the survivors.
Now then, what happens when the neighboring country’s military starts drooling over the so-called “empty land” next door? Worse, what if there are two or three neighbors drooling?
AIDS is is a biological tsunami rolling through the developing world. Pretending that it’s just about keeping your pants zipped and your legs crossed is no way to handle the disaster that’s coming.
Long ago, when I turned 16, my dad gave me MY birth control lecture. “Son, if you get some nice girl pregnant, I’ll have YOU aborted.” This was about 10 years before Roe V. Wade. He was ahead of his time. He believed a parent should be able to abort a kid up to the age of 18.
Peterr @ 34
DingDing!!
Reality is that teenagers have always been having sex. In the days when my father gave me his advice, he just didn’t want any bast*rd grand-kids running around when I wa way too young to think of standing up. When I thanked him for the advice, AIDS had been around for not quite ten years. But either way, it was good advice then and it’s good advice today.
And BRAVA for Mrs Carnahan for forcing folks to recognize her existence as more than just the “wife” but as an accomplished human in her own right
dakine01 @ 17
You serious? They’ve really got 31 people worthy of being senator in Wyoming? I wonder what the population of that state is? I doubt we’ve got more than 3 or 4 in my state who would be acceptable.
I sometimes wonder if Robert Byrd were to die or discover that retiring was a good thing who would be the governor appoint to replace him. Of course, the governor would probably like the job, but that isn’t happening. Not many names come to mind.
Dick should retire and enjoy relaxing with his kids/grandkids. What does he really need to be doing in DC with his health issues? It’s not like he really needs it, now does he?
I wonder who would be a good replacement for him. Who would protect Dick’s interests (since Lynne won’t be there)? Alan Simpson? Some other Halliburton guy isn’t likely to be acceptable. Does Dick have any political friends he might trust, that America might trust to be a place-holder? Hmmm.
Thanks for the post, Peterr!
Carnahan is my Rep. in Missouri. However, I have not met his wife yet. I’ll have to put that on my to do list. She sounds like a winner…
Ed*ard Teller @ 40
Mark Twain is said to have had the barrel theory of raising male children. When a boy is born, you put him in a barrel and feed him through the bung hole. When he turns 18, you drive in the bung.
When I started dating last year, you have no idea HOW MANY adults had “the talk” with me, and keep talking, and the conversation, and let me ask questions. It’s cool that so many people care but I want some of it to just be about me and my BF.
TeddySanFran @ 37
From my memories of high school, I don’t recall any need for “encouragement.”>
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there’s really no argument, whether or not you believe in god, if you don’t, it’s the way we evolved, it’s because of it we evoleved, if you do believe in god, then quite simply put, we are encouraged by the very design of man, it’s the way god created us
punaise @ 36
Bouncing off the whitewalls.
MarkH @ 42
Well, the write-up at Kos has it that 2/3s of the names are crack-pots and kooks but does give ten possibilities from which theRepub committee will choose the three. Includes the recently resigned USA, two former Speakers of the Wyoming House, 3 current state legislators and a State Ag commissioner iirc plus a couple of others.
punaise @ 36
We tire of your humor.
OT …. from today’s froomkin
well, that seems very simple, now doesn’t it? just throw karl behind bars too! how’s that suit ya, dick?
Balrog @ 47
*rim shot*
Oh yeah, and I live in Texas where they want us to think that we should just decide to not have sex and then we will know the info like magic when we get a wedding ring. Yeah right!
MarkH @ 49
that was kind of flat
Pun storm warning in effect until next thread.
SnarKassandra @ 45
SK — Not to pry about you and your friends, but would you say that your friends had the same kind of adult interest and conversations, or was your experience the exception?
mileage may vary, depending on how hard you drive a pun around the lake.
Peterr @ 55
Well all my friends have had talks with their parents, except one kid whose dad is a complete ass. And we kinda compare. My BF’s dad bought the book “The Naked Truth About Sex” and a bunch of us have been reading it. And one of us has a really cool adult that gives straight answers and no lectures so we all kinda give questions to that one person.
OT from MSNBC It’s Friday: Secret Nuke weapons data sent by e-mail…
LS @32: I blush to admit that diamonds/oil/etc. did not even enter my mind — I was focused on the “contagious disease” aspect.
I’m horrified — all they have to do is let the disease have its way with the population. I can see how this would appeal to them…
Ed*ard Teller @ 56
my favorite pun I invented myself, I know this because with no doubt you have never heard it till now
the reason they close cemeteries at night?
they want you to go in mourning
perris @ 53
Hisssssss!
is there a reason ed*ard and *ilson both use asterisks for “w”?
When my daughter was 17 she was battling occasional facial blemishes. I told her I knew the perfect solution…..birth control pills. We went to the gyno, got her on the pill, blemishes disappeared, and I had peace of mind. 2 yrs later it was her brothers turn to fight blemishes. He came to me and very sincerely asked if he, too, could get that miracle pill that helped his sister.
dakine01 @ 17
yeah, and veep-for-life cheney’s name wasn’t on the list of possible bush running mates while the future vfl was running the selection process …
lee5 @ 64
Her name HAD to be on the list before she could be considered for the appointment. No back door on this one…
OT from the WaPo0: some good news. Griles prosecutors looking for a long term…
SnarKassandra @ 57
I pity the poor kids who don’t have adults to go to for some accurate information and such.
Of course, adults have the same need for accurate information and such too. At the other end of the generational spectrum, there are retirement communities that are horrified to discover that STDs are not stopped by menopause. “I thought we were safe because I went through ‘the change’ years ago!”
SnarKassandra @57
You needn’t be so modest, Cassie. We all know who that ‘one person’ is with the good adult.
I’m not familiar with ‘The Naked Truth about Sex’ but my kids read my old copy of ‘Everything You Ever Wanted To Know About Sex But Were Afraid To Ask”. Great book that I’m sure most of the boomers here have read.
Peterr, you are right about the oldsters. There’s an HIV wave sweeping the retirement communities of Florida, helped along by the performance-enhancing meds from big PhRMA.
dakine01 @ 65
that’s good to hear. Of course, I assume they will find some other equally qualified and full-of-integrity candidate …
yellowdogD @ 68
Aunt Betsy answers some questions and my brother blushes, but it is actually a different adult who gives really good answers. Aunt Betsy married her second boyfriend and doesn’t know a lot of the slang terms. My friend who is an adult … …. when he comes online, I am gonna copy the whole tire thing and ask him what radial tires have to do with sex. I got the rest of it about rubber and condoms.
perris @ 62
There is a general aversion to “Dubya’s” on certain keyboards.
I blame Clinton.
solai @ 69
best thing for this one was the friends who took a copy of Joy of Sex and pasted over all the faces w/ pictures of their relatives … certainly an educational experience.
Peterr @ 73
I HAVE NOT LAUGHED THAT HARD ALL DAY!
perris @ 53
actually, brilliant, in an ambiguous way. unless it’s to be taken literally, in which case I’ll spare you any more on this thread…
Peterr @ 39
On target, Reverand. The issue DOES have National Security aspect. But, alas, it takes some forward-thinking people in the WH to see this…not a bunch of chicken-hawks who run around screeching about morals.
Ghostman
Peterr @ 73
Might as well, everything else wrong in the world is his fault.
punaise @ 76
this line of discussion has lost all traction
although, a condom used by a married man could be considered a hub-cap.
punaise, you’re smokin’
punaise @ 80
so he has an affair wearing a condom it’s a stolen hub-cap?
I am curious.
How many HIV positive or full-blown AIDs people do you personally know?
Are they gay?
Are they black?
Are they foreign?
Are they teenagers?
Are they drug addicts?
Are they elderly?
Are they hetero?
Are they suburban?
I know one. A gay male who has been “sick” for 20 years, but responds to meds.
What about you?
LS @ 83
I know one man. He’s like 40 or 50. I don’t know how long he has been sick. He is gay.
LS @ 83
Do all my dead friends count, or not, in this tally?
TeddySanFran @ 85
Were they recently infected and died recently or where they sick from back in the 80’s? Do you have a lot of friends currently ill?
LS @ 83
I know many, covering every single one of those groups you listed, and have known some of them from before I moved to the Bay Area from the midwest.
I knew more, but they are no longer around.
LS @ 83
dozens one step removed. handfull of acquaintances that i personally know. all gay.
Going swimming. Back later. Bye!
TeddySanFran @ 85
I know, or have known, somewhere around fifty, all veterans, just from the VA Hospital at Fort Miley, San Francisco
SeamusD 90, That’s a lot of veterans. Do you know how they became infected and when?
LS @ 83
I don’t know. If anyone that I have been acquainted with has had the virus, I am/was not aware of it. But I also don’t go asking everyone I meet either. I would imagine I have known someone with the virus who chose to not make the fact known to me.
OT.
Elston resigns from DOJ:
Link
My cousin said he heard of someone that swore to be blood brothers and then got AIDS but the other kid didn’t know he had it. Is that true? Can that be real?
Ed*ard Teller @ 40
Oh my goodness what a nice dad. As a mom I think I had a knife. Of course I was the one who would allow them to have pierced ears but somehow when I offered to do it they backed off. Since I don’t even have pierced ears they decided to wait for me.
IrishJim @ 93
Wow. Getting a little lonely at the top, huh Alberto?
SnarKassandra @ 94
It could happen. It sounds like a rumor though.
Here’s another question: Other than answering questions from your own kids, have you ever been the “cool adult” that SK talked about, to whom non-related teens could come with their questions?
OT: (Con su permiso)
Blogwhoring, Just Cuz I Can
Musically, today, there are selections by Bob Marley, Mary J. Blige, and Eddie Vetter, along with a prose piece dedicated to “Fathers’ Day For Peace.” http://www.woodyguthriesguitar.blogspot.com.
There’s a prose piece by Barbara Ehrenreich on the matter of immigration, along with an NPR interview with her on some of what she learned writing “Nickeled & Dimed,” on the Lamb (http:// http://www.thewell-armedlamb.blogspot.com)
Finally, on the Pond, I’ve posted a collection of links and stories which, taken together, constitute a damning critique of the Busheviks’ callous disregard for injured vets, especially those suffering combat trauma. (http://www.walled-in-pond.blogspot.com)
Now back to your regularly-scheduled blogging
Thank You
Also OT, but Pace saying he did not resign voluntarily -- coming public about being forced out.
Interesting to see the gaps open up as more and more rats either jump or are pushed …
Peterr @ 98
I wouldn’t describe myself as “cool”, but I have definitely had kids confide.
SnarKassandra @ 72
Oh Cassie, now THAT’S funny. You had better print out the entire thread and explain that punaise is a wretched punster.
My daughter “came of age” this week; how fitting and timely the topic. She has an entire encyclopedia on human sexuality that I bought her, same one my mom gave me, but now we have to have some more in-depth conversations than we’ve had so far. (God knows we’ve had a few in the last 48 hours…)
She’s sheepish about some of her questions, still not comfortable with asking them even though I try to be as straightforward as possible. At times I have to ask more questions than she does because she can’t articulate what she wants to say very well. I suppose that means we need to spend more time talking about it so that she has the language for it.
But I remember how my folks handled it; Mom handed me the encyclopedia, told me to read it and ask her if I had any questions. I never asked her; I had the impression that I was supposed to figure it out on my own. Eventually I did, but it was rather awkward, I felt isolated. And jebus, we didn’t ask other people’s parents about sexuality; one friend was never permitted to play with me again just because my mother listened to rock music. I only hope my daughter doesn’t feel like she can’t come to me to ask questions; if the last 48 hours are an indication, I think we’re going to be okay, but I’ll reserve a final decision for another handful of years.
Thankfully I don’t have to rely on this administration in any way for help in this area. What useless fecking morons.
Peterr @ 98
No. But that’s also attributable to moving 9 times since 1/95.
LS @ 91
LS,
All the usual ways. Some were gay, some through IV drug use, some from blood transfusions, and quite a few who could not trace their infection. It is a horrible way to die, slowly.
ls at 83
I am curious.
How many HIV positive or full-blown AIDs people do you personally know?
Are they gay?
Are they black?
Are they foreign?
Are they teenagers?
Are they drug addicts?
Are they elderly?
Are they hetero?
Are they suburban?
I know one. A gay male who has been “sick” for 20 years, but responds to meds.
What about you?
=============
know of quite a few, acquaintances.
personally knew two, extremely well. one used to hit my parents’ house christmas eve when he got into town, before he went to his see his own parents. one of my sister’s best high school friend and after. made her laugh more than any other..would occasionally call my mom at 2 in the morning when he wanted to talk after being out…..other was one of my best friend from high school and after….made me laugh more than any other.
weird symmetry there. two sisters. two high school best friends who made us laugh.
both dead from aids
both white male and gay.
I’ve known three or four HIV folks, i think. I’ve never been aware that i’ve known anyone with (evident) full-blown AIDS…
All were gay, white, middle-aged (or a bit younger) USers…
.
Computers back up and running on Space Station!! Yay!! (faulty switch)
Peterr @ 98
I have talked to my younger relatives and friends’ kids about many subjects, including sex but I always got the okay from their parents to do so … not wanting to be accused of misleading their children, or having a kid lie that I told them it was okay to do something.
If I could not get the parents’ permission, I would tell the kid to talk to her/his Doctor.
Rayne @ 102
I was just skidding!
.
(”wretched punster” label accepted with pride…)
Rayne @ 102
Right now, my little one is well below that age. He is, however, a devoted lover of Animal Planet and the Discovery Channel, and is well acquainted with the idea that animals have to mate before offspring arrive.
At the dinner table one evening, after viewing an episode of “Meerkat Manor,” he very matter-of-factly asked Mrs Peterr and myself “Did you two mate before I was born?”
Mrs Peterr (holder of the biological sciences degrees in the family) answered with a very matter-of-fact, “Yes, that’s right” while I (being closer to the kitchen sink) went for the washcloth to wipe up the mess.
Gotta teach him to give a spew warning.
Peterr @ 110
707!!
lee5 @ 100
Will Tony Snow slam whoever fired Pace?
punaise @ 80
When I was younger, I had some difficulty understanding certain English words.
So when I was told that condoms would stop the spread of communicable diseases, I got one and put it over my tongue !!! *g*
… yes … this is a lead- in for punaise … *g*
Petrocelli @ 113
weren’t you the cunning linguist!
TeddySanFran @ 81
punaise, what you been smokin’
There. Fixed it.
I’ve known 3, they’ve all since died from AIDS.
All were white men, 2 were gay, 1 was straight. None of them were drug users.
The one that wasn’t gay (and I knew him very well and believe that he was straight) was in the Marines and learned that he had it while still serving.
He said that a large number of guys from his platoon that served in the Phillipines with him were HIV positive.
He also was fortunate to be able to get the drugs he needed and stayed healthy and fit for years before succumbing.
Peterr, great post, thanks.
We’ve been having “the talk” with our kids (boys, 11 and 8) for several years now. (In age-appropriate terms, of course.) We’re trying to communicate that sex is about honesty and love. The idea is if we’re honest with our boys about love, sex, relationships our bodies, and our feelings and emotions about all of it, then they will be honest and loving with their partners-whoever they end up with, male or female.
Of course, when my boys have questions they go to Mom now. That may change in a few years and they’ll come to Dad.
I’ve never understood how taking a virginity pledge stops one from doing the deed. Maybe that’s because taking the virginity pledge doesn’t really stop one from doing the deed-at least if you believe the statistics.
BTW, I know one man living with HIV-many, many years and still very healthy. I knew another who passed last year. And anyone remember when Magic was diagnosed? And how’s he doing now?
randiego @ 115
thanks. I needed that. gotta go!
punaise @ 114 says
weren’t you the cunning linguist!
… it gave a whole new meaning to oral hygiene …
punaise @ 114 says
weren’t you the cunning linguist!
… it gave a whole new meaning to oral hygiene …
New thread upstairs
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..p/#respond
I’ve never spoken to teens about it, but find I’m the source for a number of my younger friends…especially women not raised in the US.
One of the office secretaries at my old firm(very polite, quiet & proper) made me spew my drink by asking at lunch if I thought it was okay for her to have a a**l sex with her husband and if it would hurt. The other women all looked at me politely, waiting for a response. Another (a law student) asked if I thought tampons were okay and would it make you “not a virgin”.
My friend has the funniest, when her 7 year old daughter asked about sex, she got an accurate age appropriate response. Her daughter thought about it and asked “But what does it feel like?”
Here’s a great book for “kids”. It’s factual and fun.
The Cartoon Guide to Sex by Larry Gonick
My husband got it for our son when he was about nine, and it was left on his bookshelf in his room. He picked it up and started reading when he was about 10, then it became the “go to” book for all friends and neighbors. When he was 12, the book disappeared from his bookshelf. I looked for it, and found it hidden in his closet! Innocence lost, self-consciousness arose spontaneously!
AnnieW @ 122
My very conservative friend was asked “How does it feel like?” by her 8 year old daughter and as a deterrence, replied, “It hurts a lot!”
The kid thought for a few moments and then said, “Is that why you scream so much at night?”
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punaise @ 76
That’s a spun and balanced Bias!!! Does that come with a road hazard warranty!!! *g*
CTuttle @ 126
Hey CT !!!
… punaise was in the groove today …
Petrocelli @ 127
Whew, had me spinning my tires!!!
Peterr, that was an excellent post! It is a travesty what has happened to all our good deeds, prior to Shrub’s Maladministration, all for naught within Africa and the third world!
I think this tune should be an apt tribute to our efforts from here on out!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdPLZWatcbA
perris @ 79
BTW, there’s a new thread, something about ‘The Spin I’m in”. :-)
Phoenix Woman @ 16
Ewwww! (popping in for a moment before getting the he– out of work). PW, wasn’t it you who grossed me out last night? Hmmmmm.
(Ilike the triumphal part of the image, but, but….)
If or till we get national health care, I believe birth control should be free for all.
TeddySanFran @ 19
The truth. As spoken.
Got a good buddy in health services in a CA county . . . he’s taken condoms to festivals as part of a safe sex program, for a few years now.
It works, I saw it worked . . . hetero and gay . . . condoms on the spot, discretely plied out, and used.
I was quite impressed and proud of my buddy . . . my pops was a part of health and education in his time, and left ME with a wanting to see better times in those regards . . . I’ve seen ‘em.
Bravo, dammit, bravo, for those who DO.
punaise @ 27
Balrog @ 54
Tired, but inflated rhetorwreck?
TeddySanFran @ 70
I am greatly saddened to hear of this.
It’s like Big Bro is using the general population for testing purposes.
But from Bikini Atoll, we KNOW that cant’ be true . . . two items, generations apart, and still . . . .