This morning we have the hearing as to whether or not Scooter Libby will be free on bond pending the outcome of his appeal.
For us lay people, here’s the essential legal landscape:
Judge Walton has already said he is disinclined to leave Libby free, but he’s heard motions from both sides on the matter.
Christy has described the prosecution briefs here and here. The essence here is that Team Fitz is arguing Libby is unlikely to have his conviction overturned on appeal and that the Special Prosecutor’s appointment was legitimate, under case law relying on precedent in a case called Morrison. The prosecution also argues, contrary to the defense argument, that the matter of the legitimacy of the special prosecutor in this case has already been extensively reviewed and ruled on by Judge Walton (today’s sentencing judge) earlier in the life of this case. Likelihood of winning a case on appeal is a material consideration for the disposition of a bond hearing, as we have today.
The defense has argued in its submission that a case referred to as Edmond provides better precedent for evaluating the legitimacy of the special prosecutor (a legitimate special prosecutor is an “inferior officer,” that is to say, he answers to some authority and can be fired). The problem with the Edmond precedent, according to the prosecution, is that it compliments but does not nullify Morrison, and that the dissenting opinion in Morrison written by Justice Scalia concedes that if a special prosecutor can be fired, then he or she in an inferior officer and hence legitimate. There seems to be no real argument in evidence that the special prosecutor (Fitzgerald) could have been fired (as apparently had been discussed during the U. S. Attorney firings scandal), so the defense contention is undermined. On the other hand, our good friend Jeralyn at TalkLeft takes a point of view more sympathetic to the defense and believes bond should be granted today.
Expect a combative hearing today. Judge Walton was clearly annoyed at the defense team last week as Wells read some of Libby’s support letters out loud for the press, then sandbagged Judge Walton with a splashy amicus brief submitted by Libby apologists Robert Bork and others (including torture defender Alan Dershowitz), which obviously had been prepared well in advance. What’s more, the defense attorney who may argue today is a new member of the team, Lawrence Robbbins, whose written style seems to be a bit more combative compared to what we’ve seen previously in this case. Team Libby is going for broke and seems unconcerned about pissing off the judge in order to do its political PR work and to play to the conservative DC Circuit Court, which will hear the appeal. . . a court headed by Judge Silberman, a longtime conservative activist who had a hand in appointing Ken Starr to investigate former President Clinton.
Those are the broad outlines of what will unfold today. I will type as best I can to keep you updated here on the main page. Arguments will proceed this morning and the judge is expected to rule at 1:30 PM EST. Please refresh sparingly, as main page updates will come in roughly fifteen minute intervals.
Here we go!
11:27 AM The lawyers are getting set at their tables. Blue suits rule the day, but I can’t see Fitz yet, or if he’s in his gray one. I know this is very important stuff! Court now in session. Fitz begins. Looks like blue or dark green, but I’m watching on camera and it’s a little tricky on the color.Walton: Explaining again his reasoning for 30 months sentence. Citing the guidelines and the concurrent service of sentences for different counts.
Fitz: Says concurrent 30 month sentences are okay.
Walton: I’m told I don’t have to do concurrent sentences according to the guidelines but it seems this current ruling is appropriate.
Fitz: Agrees.
Walton: Disclosing that he has received many angry letters in response to the sentencing, wishing bad things to him and his family. He had thrown away a few, but then decided he had better begin to save them, in the event someone were to act on these threats, a record would need to remain.
Robbins (for Libby): Asks to reserve 5 minutes for rebuttal.
Walton: Asks for clarification on reply, clarification of footnote in defense brief. Is the argument that I am obligated to offer release on a white collar case just because other judges have done so? Just throwing out these names does not override the law, that’s not being suggested here, is it?
Robbins: We agree. The point of footnote 1 is these cases illustrate that how close the question is on appeal is important.
Walton: But the footnote does not identify the issues, and just because these people cited are high profile people, this does not mean judge should override the law.
Robbins: These others recognize reasonable people can disagree if question is close.
Walton: I understand that.
Robbins: This is our argument. We argue there are three close questions. The first is the appointments clause question. I have six points on this one.
Number 1: If we’re right, this is reversible error.
Number 2: If the court says Edmonds is controlling, then this will be overruled.
Walton: But Morrison is still good law.
Robbins: We don’t argue it overrules Morrison, but it clarifies. But we argue that we prevail under either Morrison or Edmond. But we believe Edmond is controlling. Edmond is most complete SCOTUS statement of the appointments clause. Fitzgerald was relieved of supervision and control by any officer of the department, according to his original authorizing language. This court rules previously that the question is far closer under Edmond, the most recent SCOTUS case. If this is the most applicable case, then it establishes not inferior officer.
Walton: But Edmonds does not state it overrules Morrison.
Robbins: DC Circuit will seek to review both. Edmond does not overrule Morrison, but they will see Scalia’s opinion that supervision is necessary, and comparing this from the appointing letter by Comey, Fitzgerald was insulated from direction and supervision at DOJ.
Walton: Several circuit courts who have reviewed this do not come out where you are regarding the harmonizing of Morrison and Edmond.
Robbins: I think DC Circuit will reconcile them differently.
11:45 AM
Walton: But the law will require review of individual factors of each case and situation, and in the context of each case, Edmond versus Morrison, which fact situation is most applicable to this case. Edmond related to military and is not as clearly applicable. Also, re: Scalia, if we had a situation where the special counsel could be removed at will, this would have changed his position regarding Morrison.
Robbins: Well I doubt that since I was there when Scalia read his opinion. But let me move to whether Fitzgerald must comply with all internal DOJ rules and regulations. Your honor concluded Fitz has to comply with all such rules, but I believe this decision was incorrect. If I’m right, then DC Circuit will agree that Morrison factors do not make Fitz an inferior officer.
Mr. Fitzgerald, in the clarifying letter by Comey, includes a sentence at variance with this court’s previous ruling. “I don’t want my reference to the word special counsel to be understood as meaning your position and authorities were limited by 28cfr600 (check reference)”
This means Fitzgerald is not defined or limited by rules and regs.
These are the rules of special counsel, but these rules require compliance with DOJ policy and require reporting of significant events to superiors. And yet Comey states these do not apply to Fitzgerald in his clarifying memo. This means Fitzgerald was expressly exempted from 28cfr600, and these include exemption from making prosecutorial reports. This is unprecedented. Respectfully, there is no part of this court’s past decision that reckons with this sentence. We submit DC Circuit may view this as significant.
Next point: We do not suggest Mr. Fitzgerald could not be removed. But re: Morrison, the ethics in government act required Morrison to follow DOJ policies, and one of those policies means keeping AG posted on significant events in the prosecution. The power to remove without the power to supervise is all shell and no chocolate.
Walton: Wouldn’t that undermine the purpose of this statute, that everyone is accountable under the laws of the US? If you work in the White House you still have to follow the law. If the investigative agency is linked tb the hip with n investigation, then the public can have no confidence that investigation is fair and just. If we have to operate this way our system of government loses significant credibility with the average Joe on the street, who already thinks the system is unfair.
Robbins: This I believe is a red herring. I don’t think anyone believes Morrison was not sufficiently independent.
Walton: I recognize Weinberger had a significant job, but this case deals directly with the White House. Regarding following DOJ policy I think that’s crucial.
Robbins: This includes reporting significant events. But the ultimate vehicle of accountability is that the president has to stand before the voters every four years. This is the way the Constitution provides for accountability.
Mr. Fitzgerald has the broadest delegation of responsibility that has been done before. Your honor’s previous ruling does not reckon with this. This is not the situation in Morrison.
12:00 noon.
In Comey’s write in, the 2/6 letter. Power is plenary. It includes the authority to investigate any violations related to the disclosure. This is as broad as it gets. Everything is related to everything else. Morrison asked for this and was refused this by AG and (missed this part). She wanted to examine Dinkins and Schmoltz. She said an ongoing conspiracy to obstruct congressional oversight power, because they are related. AG denied this. She went to the special division which said it did not have authority to undo AG decision.
The question here is whether these are close questions. I don’t think it can be debated that these are close, and I think we’ll win.
When someone does not have to report to anyone, does not have to follow DOJ procedures, sometimes things go wrong. Under section 6c2 under ______ the AG is allowed to object to disclosure of classified information, if disclosure would damage national security. Fitzgerald did submit such a report because he assumed plenary authority.
Walton: but the CIPA issues did not arise until later when Libby asked for material.
Robbins: But this is an example of how things go wrong when authority is too broadly delegated. [Reads the language of the act, congressional statute]. Authority to AG, DAG, AAG. These are the ones who can make these disclosures, and no one else.
Walton: Be that as it may, your client through his counsel did not submit his request to Mr. Fitzgerald, their CIPA request, not to others. This issue was not raised at the time. Was this issue waived?
Robbins: My understanding is this document was declassified and made public after the case. I was not part of the history of this case. But Lawrence Walsh was denied this authority in the past.
Walton: I think your co-counsel did not address this.
Jeffress: This affidavit was submitted in camera. It has recently under seal, and we obtained it pursuant to your ruling, we received it in May
Walton: Your time is up.
Robbins: We have also submitted why we believe the Mitchell and memory rulings are close questions. We believe re: Mitchell, US v. Johnson review by DC Circuit will say Johnson does not control.
Walton: Problem was asking the jury to draw inference upon inference upon inference that would have, in my view, been rank speculation absent evidence. She would have testified her statement on Imus was off the wall and she would disavow it, and then she would have been impeached. Then your client wanted to say jury should conclude maybe she’s not being truthful, maybe she did know about Plame. If she did, it’s conceivable she would have told Russert. Therefore Russert could have heard as your client supposed. If that’s the chain of inferences then we may as well throw out rules of evidence. That cannot be the law. If the government had tried to make this kind of case it clearly would be reversible.
Robbin: going back to appointments clause. Your honor has received an amicus brief.
Walton: With all due respect, these are intelligent people, but I would not accept this brief from a first year law student. I believe this was put out to put pressure on this court in the public sphere to rule as you wish. [Reggie pissed]
Robbins: These 12 scholars believe this is a close question.
Walton: If I had gotten something more of substance from them, maybe.
Fitz: I was not a special counsel at the time of Comey memo, so there was no issue of my being bound by DOJ guidelines. Regarding CIPA, the only things filed were under 6a and 6b. This was transparent. We had a month long hearing on this. If someone had objected, not oly could we have gotten a different signature, we could close the courtroom.
Walton: Do you think you were in full compliance with what was envisioned by CIPA.
Fitz: If someone had objected would could have gotten a second signature or could have made an application to close the courtroom. We are picking on the most minor violation.
Walton: There was a violation, so what is remedy.
Fitz: It was not a classified document and it would have been waived or we could have had any number of other signatures.
Walton: I assume suggestion by defendant is that you were given the authority by inference to handle CIPA matters even though it was not clear at the time that CIPA would be in play.
Fitz: They are misdescribing 6a as if it was 6c.
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bada bing
go Fitz!
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Madness, madness, madness!
drive-by:
Fitz! Judge Walton! Pach!
Zowie! Zed! Pach Christy Jane!
Adie @ 3
Seconded.
FITZ!
…or not
YA! FDL TEAM!
aaaaaaaaaaaaar we reaaaaaaaaaady or whaaaaaaaaat?!
Pach, thanks for doing this. You are the only means we have of live coverage. I’m already glued to you.
Hi Pach:
Left you a message toward the bottom of the last thread: # 144.
Judge Walton Justice Please!
Kathleen @ 14
Please. But with Walton I expect no less.
This is the day! Justice! Remand and report to the Bureau of Prisons in 45 days or so…
Fitz
“Truth is the engine of our judicial system”
Please Please Please
Team Libby must not really be expecting a pardon anytime soon, or they wouldn’t be fighting so hard, do you think?
Jeralyn Merritt @ 12
hm-m-m-m-m….
no pressure, Pach. None at all. *g*
When you said post sparingly, you meant us not you, right ;-)
Is everyone over at gabbly?
Folks, we are in liveblogging mode. That means please back off on the one liners, stay on topic, and such so that Pach can concentrate on blogging the hearing instead of having top open a new thread every five minutes. Our servers and Pach thank you!
Neil @ 20
Everyone’s still downstairs.
Thanks again for this live blogging, Pach. Just received Murray Waas’ book yesterday & can’t help but want to quote a bit this a.m.:
“Madness, outrageous, the Government brought a case about two phone calls w/no corroboration, two witnesses, nothing to back it up and they just want us to speculate. The defense wishes that were so.
Saying it, saying it loudly, saying it pounding the table doesn’t change the facts, doesn’t change the law, & doesn’t change the evidence. Let’s talk about the facts. Let’s get busy…”
Back to radio silence during the live blog.
Hope for the best, expect the worst.
If there is some semblence of justice will there be some extra measure of justice and he will be taken into custody follwing the decision (to send him to jail)?
As you and others have pointed out its not like the fancy lad is only lying – he is obstructing justice to a consipiracy. Um, I think that is what examples and leverage are all about.
Anyway whats so big a deal about 30 months, that is not all that long. Dope the 2 1/2 cents and write a book. Of course he could does not need a book since every day outside of jail is a 50k speech, or 7 figure lobby job, or heck the corrpupt jerks are actually still working in the White House.
The trail ballon was letting Paris out of jail early – us proles did not like that very much.
Kathleen:
I left you a message last thread: # 158.
(Apologies, Christy. I read your # 21 and will comply.)
There are a couple of us at Gabbly, trying to keep the load off FDL’s servers.
http://www.gabbly.com/firedoglake.com
Pach when I was fortunate enough to sit in on the trial for several days. The defense seemed to all dress in black.
I guess black would not be appropriate for today.
It already sounds like Reggie’s unimpressed by the Defense brief. And they’ve got Robbins up and working right away.
Here’s my experience on these things . . . the ruder and more surly the judge is to the defense during this hearing, the more likely that he’s going to do what they are asking him to do (and he’s ticked off that he has to do it).
Adie @ 19
o heck… just a little…
what are you wearing, Pach? ;->
*slaps own hand for asking*
If Scooter is found guilty after Appeal will his conviction throw any dirt on his boss? After all who told Scooter about Valerie? who told him to “out ” her, and JUST who is telling Scooter and the Media that he deserves/can expect a pardon? I want to see Rove’s RNC emails to Libby’s defense team and the propardon MSM talikng heads. I wonder how many journalists have RNC blackberries?
Biodun @ 26
Read that. So Dershowitz took Finklestein out what a slime bucket. That’s what Finklestein gets for standing up to the Israeli lobby and speaking the truth!
emptywheel @ 29
When, after filing a brief and getting the prosecution rebuttal, the defense stands up and says, “On argument #1, we’ve got six responses . . .” that sounds like the initial defense brief wasn’t terribly good to begin with, and that the prosecution rebuttal pointed out the flaws.
Unfortunately, Libby will never see a day behind bars. If Judge Walton denies bond today, because Libby will still have 45-60 days before surrender, there will be more than ample time to appeal the bond denial to the DC Circuit. You can then expect Judge Silberman to reach his grubby hands into the clerk’s office and try to get that motion/appeal assigned to him and before you know it, Libby will be free on bond during the appeal, which either the DC Circuit or SCOTUS will overturn (opinion by Roberts). Don’t you know, special/independent prosecutors are legal only when its a Democrat being investigated.
(((((((Jane)))))))
“Walton: Disclosing that he has received many angry letters in response to the sentencing, wishing bad things to him and his family. He had thrown away a few, but then decided he had better begin to save them, in the event someone were to act on these threats, a record would need to remain.”
My God. It just shows how dangerous Libby and his fan club really are. Chilling.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
Sorry for going ot now, will not do it again during the live blog! Thanks FDL team!
LS @ 37
That says it all!
Robbins is simply laying down the hand he’s been coached to play – they aren’t arguing anything in Walton’s Court.
This is laying the groundwork for presidential action – Robbins’ audience is Bush.
Kathleen @ 38
This needs to be made public all over the place. I am so outraged I can’t see straight.
Peterr @ 33
I think what happened is that Robbins saw additional, perhaps more likely, areas for appeal once they brought him in. So he squished additional CIPA and appointment issues into the larger boxes where the Defense had left space before he came in.
One of his new CIPA issues is actually kind of interesting. He argues that CIPA requires certain people (AG, DAG, AAG) oversee the CIPA process, but that Fitz did this himself. It shouldn’t work, bc obviously Defense just used CIPA in a greymail attempt, they never put Libby on the stand. But it’s a laudable try.
LS @ 37
I would think that this will not make Walton very friendly towards Libby. Walton is no fool and knows that Team Libby as been stirring the waters hard in regards to a pardon. These letters are a result of that effort. No one likes their family threatened.
Marcy at 42 — Agreed. The narrow focus that they initially worked with is going to be broadened by Robbins, I think — by necessity, really, since the grounds on which they are relying at the moment are not all that substantial as viable appeal grounds that will pass scrutiny based on the case law that I’ve looked at and the evidence and rulings that I know were presented and made.
This is so exciting, Pach. Thanks for being there for all of us.
bushworstpresidentever @ 34
Federal judges don’t do that. Monkey with the assignments, I mean.
Jeralyn Merritt takes a right turn and ends up wrong!
I guess there will be arrests wrt threatening a government official. Can’t wait for that on CNN!
Kathleen @ 39
PLease there are fringe lunatics on all sides of every debate these days. It is now clearly a bi-partisan phenomenon. Libby and his “people” have nothing to do with those threats and even Walton isn’t making that inference.
LS @ 36
That’s my early lede, too. “Dozens of right-wing thugs threaten life of judge presiding over Libby trial.”
Important enough that Judge Walton himself led the day with it.
I think Robbins definitely is giving the Prez justification for the pardon (even tho Shrub feels he needs no such justification). Robbins was there when Scalia read his decision. Big whoop! And, as I said before, I think J. Walton knew this would be the end result so he took precautions that his decisions, the Judge’s, could not be overruled. JMO. If that’s not the case, will someone educate me, please?!!
Wow. I was right. This guy’s a bit of a fucker.
“It doesn’t matter what Scalia said, it matters that I was there in the room when he said it.”
Paul @ 49
Then why did Jeffress submit a letter that carried an implicit threat to someone to Judge Walton?
I don’t think threats were coming from those who feel Libby should do the time for doing the crime, or Joe or Valerie…………jeeeeeeezzz…..are we on the ball, Paul?
HTML alert in liveblog: hiccup!
AP says: The federal judge who oversaw I. Lewis ”Scooter” Libby’s CIA leak trial said Thursday that he received threatening letters and phone calls after sentencing the former White House aide to prison.
I’m glad to see Walton got my letters… LOL… kidding… I am angry, though; 30 months is too little when you consider that probably means less than 20…
Paul @ 48
But the right-wing media stirs them up. Do you have a link to a story about this sort of threat wrt a progressive defendant?
emptywheel — when Walton says other circuits don’t support Robbin’s view, Robbins seem to reply, “But we think the DC circuit will follow a different view” — so the heart of their argument is that the Silberman Circuit is radically different from other US circuits, and that’s why there’s a substantial basis for expecting their appeal to win. It is a clear admission that it’s not the rule of law that wins, it’s the rulings of their guys.
In the run up to sentencing the eco-arsonists in Eugene last week, prisoner support teams reminded those writing to Judge Aiken that threatening a Federal Judge was a felony (and likely to piss off the Judge. Duh.)
If any of the DFH had threated Federal Judge Aiken in writing, we’d know – their sorry ass would be in a cell.
Scooter’s friends or supporters make written threats to a Federal Judge in DC – and they’re still out walking around.
For the Bushies’ DOJ, “Justice” is spelled “just us”.
One set of laws for the “just us” crowd in the Beltway.
Another set of laws for all the rest of us outside the Imperial Court.
I get it now, Paul thinks the letters come from those who are disappointed that Libby didn’t get life or firing squad (just call Cheney and his girly 28 gauge, he can shoot the convicted guy how ever many times it takes).
I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Robbins chastises Judge Walton before this is over.
It takes a tolerant Judge to allow Robbins’ tone, but every Judge has his limit…
Is this the same Judge Silberman who was/is the lead investigator for the A*P*C espionage trial and the Silberman of the Silberman/Robb pre-war intelligence investigation (that built a firewall) around the Office of Special Plans?
Pach wrote”Team Libby is going for broke and seems unconcerned about pissing off the judge in order to do its political PR work and to play to the conservative DC Circuit Court, which will hear the appeal. . . a court headed by Judge Silberman, a longtime conservative activist who had a hand in appointing Ken Starr to investigate former President Clinton.”
If this goes to Silberman’s court would he let Libby go?
scarecrow @ 59
Agree, Scarecrow. Jeffress said something almost precisely the same at last week’s hearing. He said that Walton’s decisions, based on other circuit decisions, “hadn’t been judged in the DC Circuit.” The sound in the media room can be garbled, but I thought I heard him say Laurence Silberman’s name (snark).
Paul @ 48
Strongly disagree. The progressive far-left doesn’t begin to match the violent tendencies of the Constitution-hating far-right. And the Constitution-hating far-right is much closer to the levers of conservative mainstream leadership than the progressive far-left is to liberal leadership.
If Walton didn’t consider the threats to be serious, he wouldn’t have mentioned them. Remember OKC.
scarecrow @ 59
That is exactly how I took it as well. They don’t even try to hide it anymore.
“Robbins: I think DC Circuit will reconcile them differently.”
Shorter version: The fix is in.
Nina Totenberg just reported on this hearing on NPR. Upshot: consensus it that its unlikely SL will be set free on bond, but his team is mounting a full-scale effort anyway. Mentioned the argument of Dershowitz et al that Fitz lacked proper authority.
Why weren’t all these specific issues about Fitz’ appointment argued in the trial to begin with?
scarecrow @ 59
That was my impression too, Scarecrow. It’s as if Robbins was blatently admitting that the DC circuit will support Libby’s appeal.
They really have stacked the deck, haven’t they? Walton appears to be on to his inference however.
How quaint and obsolete!
sorry to break in folks, but this is very important.
Gonzales is using the repealed portion of the patriot act to stuff USA positions while Bush waits to sign the bill (he won’t he’ll do a pocket veto, “just too busy to be bothered with political legal nit-picking”):
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0614.html
[Mod Note; thanks for the link, but let’s wait to discuss this until after the Libby hearing is finished. Thanks.]
theExile @ 60
Hmmm. That actually is a point. There are nutcases on all sides of all kinds of issues – I made an assumption without knowing, from where they originated.
ccmask @ 48
The Feds are taking these things MUCH more seriously since that Chicago judge’s family was slain while she was at work.
Don’t Libby’s supporters realize that this sort of thing tends to backfire on those that espouse it?
Pach writes:
Sounds like Mr Robbins thinks that the 22 amendment has no bearing AND that impeachment is not an option here. Bush himself could have written that statement.
Kathleen @ 63
Silberman can’t do anything on his own. There would be a 3 judge panel hearing any appeal.
Robbins isn’t saying a fix is in, he’s trying to sway the judge by arguing to the thing judges hate the most: being overturned on appeal. It’s good lawyering, plain and simple, and Robbins clearly isn’t averse to playing hardball. Unfortunately for him, Judge Walton isn’t the sort of judge that buckles to that very easily. This is about to get good.
This is Digby’s argument regarding the DC circuit.
Robbins can’t say it in the very words, but the essence of the argument is these folks care less about the law than their federalist society badges, and will bend and twist anyway to find Scooter not guilty due to a technicality because they will try to protect him, and ignore the law.
Biodun @ 55
Maybe a cue at end of update so we can find our place after refreshing?
Judge will rule that Libby has to serve his time immediately.
Immediate Appeal will be taken and if the DC Circuit does not issue an immediate stay to service of sentence, then Libby will go crying to the Supreme Court and all his buddies (Roberts, Alito, Scalia and Thomas will all side with him….Justice Kennedy will be the trump card)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 77
Thanks Christy for your insight.
emptywheel @ 52
and, it doesn’t matter — to
robbins — that scalia’s view
(the DISSENT in morrison) IS
IN NO MANNER THE CURRENT LAW.
that robbins said “he was there“
is a plain admission that team
libby seeks a change in the now-
existing law.
so– buckle up, scoots — camp fed,
just 45 days, dead-ahead. on your left.
bushworstpresidentever @ 68
Or: We have our own courts and judges for every purpose – what do you need, oh, an election SCOTUS for that, free Libby go see our guys at DC Circuit. We don’t own ‘em all yet, but we’re working on it. When you own the judges and the prosecutors who need to actually “win” elections?
LS @ 18
They’d have to fight hard anyway. It’s their job to exhaust all means before putting Bush in the politically uncomfortable position of granting a pardon.
BTW, I agree tha Bush probably won’t grant a pardon — the possibility of CIA blowback may be too high a risk for him to take. But I don’t think the ferocity of Libby’s defense provides much evidence either way.
I think this 28cfr600 thing is a red herring.
The question of whether Fitz would be limited by 28fr600, and what those limitations might have meant, can only be addressed by looking at the regulation itself. Basically, all it says is that when there is a conflict of interest, an “outside Special Counsel [should] assume responsibility for the matter.
The only question raised here is, in in the course of the investigation, someone is implicated for whom there is no conflict of interest by Ashcroft, etc, whether Fitz can prosecute that person — or whether these kinds of individuals have to be turned over to the justice department for prosecution through “regular” channels. Comey says they don’t have to be.
Kathleen @ 63
Silberman is the guy from Robb-Silberman. More importantly, he’s the guy who overturned key parts of the Iran-Contra convictions. So yes, he will fix this case, if he gets a chance, he’s done it before.
He’s also one of the people who was out after Clinton. A real nice guy. Just the kind of guy we need on the most important circuit in the country.
I’m not interested in arguing with anyone. I am simply pointing out that there are plenty of unstable people on the left who do stupid things and make stupid threats that end up embarrassing their side. If you want to argue that the “I hate Bush” crowd does not include some dangerously unhinged folk… go right ahead but it will undermine your credibility.
Conversely there are some real nuts on the right who get all ginned up and do really moronic things like threaten a federal judge.
Both do more damage to their own side than the other and both should be shunned. However neither should be seen as representative of the mainstream of people on either side.
As to your comment that the right wing media stirs these people up. That is also dishonest at best. There is not one major conservative site that called for people to write and threaten Judge walton. Not one.
When a thread comes up on DKOS or other sites hoping for the death of Cheney and others, I cringe, but I don’t assume that to be the official position of the democratic party, or the owners of the site.
Like I said this is a bi-partisan problem.
PeterK @ 68
Dershowitz is a member of the very radical wrong.
If this makes it over to Judge Silberman’s court, will Silberman roll over and let Libby walk?
(I believe this is the same Silberman who is one of the lead investigators (possibly lead underminer) for the A*P*C espionage trial.
Silberman/Robb pre-war intelligence report helped build a fire wall around the Office of Special Plans.
Robbins: This includes reporting significant events. But the ultimate vehicle of accountability is that the president has to stand before the voters every four years. This is the way the Constitution provides for accountability.
Yeah, but that’s too long to wait for accountability. LOL
And when you have people messing with elections, they’re not really reflecting the views of the voters.
don’t you (anyone) think the deal for the pardon was cut after opening statements at the trial? why else would they back off from calling any WH witnesses?
Scooter will do some time, remain silent, in exchange for a pardon Xmas ‘08.
Now, if he gets out on appeal in the meantime, so much the better.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 77
Given that Walton was just named to the FISA court, that speaks well to me about his general reputation among the judges and justices higher up the judicial food chain. I’m guessing that you don’t get asked to join the FISA court if your rulings have a frequent history of being overruled.
Assume Walton orders Libby to start serving but he gets a reprieve from the D.C. Cir. . .
Does Fitzgerald have the authority to seek relief in SCOTUS . . . or must he get approval from the SG? (see Providence Journal v. United States)
oddmommy @ 76
Do we know who the other judges who would be on that panel?
Pete Bogs @ 89
A remarkable argument, given that Bush is the one who apparently told Cheney to “get it all out.” In other words, Bush can leak a NOC’s identity, so long as he has to be elected again.
Though of course, in this case, the obstruction prevented voters from learning about Bush in time for the election.
Paul said: If you want to argue that the “I hate Bush” crowd does not include some dangerously unhinged folk… go right ahead but it will undermine your credibility.
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Paul, are you talking about American liberals or liberals all over the globe? I’ve seen a lot of “I Hate Bush Signs”…..
Hi:
Was dealing with a client and just got on, so sorry if this has been posted, but it sure seems strange to me that Robbins, despite other circuits’ ruling on Edmond and Morrison is absolutely convinced that the DC circuit will rule on (oh pardon me, reconcile) them differently
Christy, maybe sayin’ the “fix is in” is too extreme, though I don’t think so. But don’t you think the implication is there vis-a-vis the liklihood of an appeal’s success that the DC Circuit’s ruling might have more to do with the White House view than the law?
emptywheel @ 86
Says a great deal about our justice system!
This is something I put together a while ago.
There are currently 10 active judgeships on the appeals court for the District of Columbia (DC Circuit). These are:
Douglas H. Ginsburg, Chief Judge
David B. Sentelle
Karen L. Henderson
Arthur Raymond Randolph
Judith Ann Wilson Rogers
David S. Tatel
Merrick B. Garland
Janice Rogers Brown
Thomas B. Griffith
Brett M. Kavanaugh
Brown, Griffith, and Kavanaugh are Bush II appointees. Brown and Griffith were part of the infamous Gang of 14 compromise. Kavanaugh was confirmed separately although he was generally considered to be unqualified.
The court has 3 Senior (semi-retired) Judges:
Harry T. Edwards
Laurence H. Silberman
Stephen F. Williams
A panel of 3 judges would hear any appeal stemming from the Libby case. Feel free to expand or correct.
Is Robbins also trying to thwart a Cheney hunt by saying no matter what happens we have the DC circuit ruling exclusively on our behalf so don’t bother?
bushworstpresidentever @ 35
Unfortunately, I suspect your right — that it will play that way. However, it might not be Silberman who pulls the strings. There are lots of right wing hacks on that circuit. If I remember correctly, Bush/Bush/Reagan appointees outnumber Clinton/Carter appointees by more than 2 to 1 in the DC circuit.
LS @ 73
But looking back at all the politicians and prominent figures who have been assassinated since 2000, I can’t think of a single conservative. Progressives are lousy shots?
brassband @ 92
first — i don’t see how scoots can
get a ruling from the d.c. circuit
court of appeals before the 45 days — in
other words, he’ll spend some time in
jail, no matter what, now, i.m.h.o.
the issue will have to be briefed, and
argued — there’s your 45 days, right there.
upshot: camp fed for scoots.
just my $0.02.
Technical point, but not insignificant. Silberman is but one judge on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit, and he does not “head” the court in any way. The Chief Judge of the Circuit — a position that is largely if not entirely administrative — is one Doug Ginsburg (one-time Supreme Court nominee, whose nomination was derailed by an admission of youthful marijuana consumption).
The general point, however, that the D.C. Circuit is populated with a number of very “conservative” judges appointed by republican presidents is sound.
Having made the point about receiving threats about his decisions, it’s hard to imagine Walton would do anything other than order Libby to start serving his sentence now, don’t you think?
The general public perception is that this poor little “aide” to Cheney, named “Scooter”, is being sent to jail – just like poor little, innocent Paris.
The players in this entire investigation and case are some of the most historically ruthless, corrupt, destroyers of the fabric of our nation, bunch of thugs, that gladly “sacrifice” other people for their agenda. It is so sickening how the core facts of the investigation itself, and this particular trial have been spun and hidden by our no-longer free press. I am heartsick for my country. Walton is a very brave man. I hope he shows them what “Slam dunk” really means. Meanwhile, Alfred points out in OT above that Gonzo is still using the Patriot Act as we speak to appoint interim USAs, because W hasn’t signed the repeal. SPIT!
By the way:
Anyone wanna bet that Judge Walton’s receiving a bunch of death threats from Scooter’s fan club will get anywhere near the media play that Fred Thompson’s pro-Libby lobbying gets?
Frum was on Hardball Mon saying that GDub can grant “respite” to keep Scoot a civiian until the appeal is over w/out granting an actual pardon. Anyone know anything about this slimy option?
Send Libby to Gitmo until his appeals run out. Afterall, Mike Huckabee said that most prisoners will love to be there. That way he is better off than in normal prison. Sounds like a good compromise to me.
To Paul: Do you think maybe Libby should be imprisoned for his own protection?
Let’s see, Libby commits perjury, lies to the FBI and a Grand Jury, goes to trial and in convicted. His defense is the “special prosecutor” was not properly appointed? How does this void his crime and conviction? Shouldn’t they have made an interlocutory appeal if it is such a critical issue.
I’d say team Libby is grasping as straws. And in other circumstances wouldn’t conservatives tell others similary situated to “suck it up.”
to Paul
I disagree totally with your assesment. Most assasinations of leading political figures have been of liberal, left- leaning types(King, Kennedy[s], Lincoln).
To make this a bland, fence- sitting issue is ridiculous.
You don’t know your history.
Bush/Bush/Reagan appointees outnumber Clinton/Carter appointees by more than 2 to 1 in the DC circuit.
But don’t impugn them all on that basis. Walton himself is a Bush appointee.
Hugh @ 99
Just to expand, I think that Silberman is personally aquainted with Libby to an extent that he might have to recuse himself on this.
Sebastian Dangerfield @ 104
Sebastian
Since it seems like REggie is uninclined to change his mind, can you say more about how the summer recess might work wrt Libby’s presumed 45-60 day processing to prison? What will they need to do for an expedited appeal?
Jeralyn, if you’re reading here, I just want to thank you so much for your participation here at FDL throughout this. Your input has greatly enriched the discussion.
If Libby walks will he be sent on a hunting trip with Cheney?
Christy 77
Are you arguing Robbins is just being a good lawyer by publically making declaration that SURELY/ABSOLUTELY/NO DOUBT -as the sun rises in the east- Walton WILL be overruled, whole case turned on its head & Irving conviction thrown out
… thereby strengthening force of defense’s not-so-strong legal argument by attaching it to HUGE BLUSTERY POLITICAL THREAT of – ultimate failure of Fitz’s case (latter practically promised to be meted out by Silberman).
i.e., big, hyped-up p*ker bluff?
How about those threatening letters to Walton being another ploy by the defense for an appeal?
Not that they would stoop so low, but couldn’t it be argued that those letters might cause undue influence on the judge?
and that, folks is the QUOTE OF THE DAY!
Paul @ 87 “As to your comment that the right wing media stirs these people up. That is also dishonest at best. There is not one major conservative site that called for people to write and threaten Judge walton. Not one. “
Because of course only a direct request or subjunctive horatory would be sufficient proof that “right wing media stirs these people up.”
For a guy who’s not interested in a debate, you’re sure seem to be doing just that or perhaps what you meant was: Don’t take issue with my assertions.
thanks nolo!When was this said?
Mitchell “off the wall” he he he
Sachem @ 108
Well hooray. I’ve been warning about this since Tuesday morning. What respite is, in the law, is an act of clemency that, simply, temporary suspends a criminal sentence (gives a defendant respite). It does not pardon or commute it, merely temporarily delays the enforcement. As relevant here, iot means that Bush could grant respite until Libby’s appeals are exhausted (or until the last day of Bush’s term when he could grant a full pardon, whichever comes first.) In my opinion, this would be EXACTLY what he would do; the MSM would say it doesn’t matter, since it’s not a pardon, and by the time he DOES grant the pardon, it will be his last day and the MSM will yawn and say ‘move on’.
Oooooh! Was that a slap down?! Yes, I do believe it was. So much for the 12 Wise Guys!
aussie @ 121
erh — now.
{winces — and sez. . .}
hit refresh.
lina @ 90
We’ll see if Scooter still feels the same after say … oh, about three months in prison.
Wow, just wow.
This is beautiful. Reggie tells Bork to fuck off:
ANYONE HAVE A LINK TO THESE BRIEFS? I’M A FIRST YEAR LAW STUDENT AND I’M LOOKING FOR GUIDANCE ON WHAT NOT TO DO.
Nolo @ 103
Maybe my question was not clear . . . I mean assume that Libby prevails in the C of A on an emergency request for release pending appeal, would Fitzgerald then have the authority to seek SCOTUS relief without SG approval?
Anybody know?
It is totally disingenuous to argue that Fitz’ Appointment:
- either required that Fitz give ‘inside the Prosecution’s Huddle’ reports to Gonzo (in a case where Gonzo and Cheney were intimately involved)
- or the appointment was illegal.
This is a collision of BushWorld Logic (we hold ALL the cards) and Justice (in service of the Truth.)
Robbins is arguing from the UE position – Fitz is arguing from the Rule of Law on behalf of the Constitution, and us.
Of course, THE distinguishing feature here is that Fitz is following a trail of Criminal Wrong-doing that has led to the White House, whereas Bush is asserting that his position, and those ‘protected’ by him, is Above the Law.
This is basic and fundamental to who we are as a People.
nolo @ 120
Isn’t that the brief from Bork and Co.?
Just tuned in. I am astonished by the arrogance of Libby’s counsel. “Yeah, other circuit’s have disagreed with my interpretation of Edmond, but I think the DC Circuit will agree with me…well, I read Scalia’s opinion differently and I should know because I was THERE when he read it….”
I am also LOVING Walton’s dismissal of the vaunted amicus brief — “TWELVE LAW PROFESSORS agree with me!” — as something he wouldn’t accept from a first year law student. I didn’t think it was that bad — I thought it was clearly third year law student material….
emptywheel @ 129
Was Dershowitz part of that brief?
litigatormom @ 133
It’s got me smiling. And I’m at work!
RC @ 109
Amen!!!!
Walton’s anger may flow from a realization that he can’t do what he wants to do . . .
Why even follow this. Your americana legal system is so corrupt that he wont serve.
Bwahahahaha! Judge Walton, not a big fan of the “Respect Me For My Reputation, Not The Work I Put Into My Current Brief” crowd. For the record: you are only as good as your last brief when it comes to arguing before any particular judge. Clearly Judge Walton was not that impressed with the Credentials Briefing Crew’s efforts. Especially when it is being used to arm-twist a man with long-standing conservative credentials in the court of public opinion, and not on the merits of the actual case. Free Scooter looking a bit wilted today, eh?
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 133
Yes indeed, it is.
No he wouldn’t. He didn’t feel he needed to recuse himself from the appointment of Ken Starr even though he had lunched with some prominent wingnut Senator — I think Lindsey Graham — shortly before the appointment.
Paul @ 49
Paul, I doubt that Walton would have led the day with statements regarding those threats unless he intended people to make the inference that these threats are the result of Team Libby’s PR tactics.
After all, Walton follows up later with criticism of the ‘Amici Illuminati’ brief as being directed to the public too.
aussie @ 138
Oy!
-GSD
lmom @ 132. “3rd year” feel it. feel the snark.
AZ Matt @ 125
Oh I so have to read this brief now. Have you read it, Christy?
This new lawyer Robbins. Is he being hired a sign that Libby is moving away from his “free libby” paid for defense, to a defense that includes being able to make a deal after sentencing?
I love “If that’s the chain of inferences then we may as well throw out rules of evidence.”
What excellent reporting, please keep up the good work!
Paul said:
When a thread comes up on DKOS or other sites hoping for the death of Cheney and others, I cringe. SNIP
Can you please provide links to the death threat threads? Thanks
dumbya — Click on the CIA Leak Case topic link to the right, and you’ll find lots of links in prior posts.
brassband @ 129
my point is that it can’t happen
in under 45 days — no matter what.
but — i think it is correct that
fitz could seek similar emergency
relief — not that he be inclinded to
use the resources that way, nor that
the supremes would order scoots back
to jail. . .
all that said, i STILL think scoots
is headed to jail. the clock sez so.
PS to joe klein’s conscience at 131: yes.
emptywheel @ 141
And yes, Dershowitz was on it as well. As well as some of the Unitary Executive architects (Douglas Kmiec and Viet Dinh).
I think we may have a new, third meaning for “borked” — submitted an amicus brief that would embarass a first year law student!
aussie @ 112
You could add to that list, Medgar Evers, Viola Luzzo, Alan Berg, Schwerner, Cheney, Goodman etc.
Wait a minute . . . didn’t Walton write a sarcastic footnote last week in which he expressed the hope that these luminaries would make their services available to less fortunate defendants in the future . . .
Why would he have written that about a brief that he would not have accepted from a first year law student . . .?
Pach, you’ve been hanging out with the Lawyers too long, you are starting to sound like one…
Great coverage!
The psychiatrist peeks out in your perspective.
Just one observation, an extension of your comment: “and to play to the conservative DC Circuit Court, which will hear the appeal. . . a court headed by Judge Silberman, a longtime conservative activist who had a hand in appointing Ken Starr to investigate former President Clinton.”
David Sentelle(NC) is another of the DC Circuit Court judges, he and Lauch Faircloth (NC) and Jesse Helms(NC)(Sentelle’s original sponsor in the Senate) met secretly and planned the hiring of Ken Starr, no doubt with Silberman’s guiding hand…
Is Silberman from North Carolina, too?
question for Christy, or Jeralyn, or other lawyers…
Were the appeals court to find the “28cfr600″ argument valid, would that actually require that the verdict be nullified, and a new trial be held.
IANAL, but it seems to be that lacking evidence that Fitz’s prosecutorial decisions would have been different (or that “supervisors” would have instructed him to act differently) the question of whether Fitz should have had the authority he exercised would not constitute “reversable error.” In other words, the same basic case would have been presented to the jury regardless, and the jury’s verdict would have been the same, and there would be no rationale for overthrowing the conviction…
Kathleen at 93 asked: “Do we know who the other judges who would be on that panel?”
They’ll be assigned at random. The court has a system that does that automatically.
ZappoDave @ 147
No.
His job is to win an appeal. That’s what he specializes in, and he has had great success doing so in the past.
new thread
Judge Robert “Tort Reform” Bork who is currently involved in a lawsuit seeking damages for personal injury and who happens to possess THE most meager, and sparsely covered beard in America?
That Judge Bork?
-GSD
Make no mistake, the right wing has profited from the assassination of liberal, progressive voices. They rely on their surrogates in the hate wing of the Republican Party or military industrial establishment to do their dirty work.
Pach is doing a terrific job. Lots of interesting detail and subtlety.
emptywheel @ 129
Thank you Judge Walton. We so want to celebrate Truth and Justice!
nolo @ 149
WOW! Glad I don’t have to represent accused defendants in that Circuit!
If they can’t decide an emergency bail matter within 45 days, they need to pick up speed a little . . .
EW: That’s a little hard to handicap, but is a great question. Obviously, I think, Libby’s lawyers are going to try to get some kind of quickie interlocutory appeal of the bail denial — that is, an appeal focused solely on that issue and not an appeal of the whole judgment of conviction and sentence. And I’m guesssing that they are going to try to get this appeal on an expedited track.
Two things are working against them. First, even if the court grants expedited review, the case will still have to be briefed, and as another pointed out, it’s hard to see that happening in less than 45 days. Then, of course, the court has to decide the case, and that will take some time. You’d have to have a unanimous panel that is really eager to free Libby in order to get a decision in less than few weeks, minimum. (Their usual turnaround after argument is about 90 days.)
Finally, getting to your question, the D.C. Circuit has a summer recess during which it has no regular sittings. I’m sure they have emergency procedures, but the fact that the recess has started is going to make it a little tough for Libby’s lawyers to keep him from reporting to prison for some period, even if the worst happens, i.e., (1) the court grants expedited review and does so promptly, (2) the court orders briefing right away, and accelerates the schedule to the fullest extent allowed by the rules of appellate procedure, and (3) holds an argument and decides the case in record time.
LS @ 1
Don’t Stop, Believing…
TeddySanFran @ 152
As in “I was out partying so I didn’t have time to do the assignment. No prob, I borked something together and turned it in.”
Christy? EW?
Hate to be a pest, but had a question (badly worded, admittedly) at 118 that was blown away by the delightful snark from Walton. No law training whatsoever here – would love some help on probable strategerie bein’ used. thanx. will hang up & listen… ;->
aussie @ 112
Wow, Lincoln was a democrat? Who knew. Also I like the way you left Reagan off the list or saddam’s attempt to kill Bush Sr., but why let facts get in the way of a good rant.
Also you imply that those people were shot by people who disagreed with them politically and weren’t driven by other factors like say, mental illness.
You still miss my point completely. I was objecting to people linking the letter writers to Libby as if he orchestrated it. Obviously he didn’t. They do more damage to him than anyone else in the room including the Judge. Libby and his lawyers would love to supress them if they could.
The Blog analogy would be to the comments section. If someone comes on here and leaves a comment advocating the murder of a prominent conservative, would that reflect on the owners of the blog and the other commentors? would it be fair for someone to take a screen shot of the comment and announce that it represents the official position of the blog. Would it be fair to take a screen shot and say that because it is on the blog it must have been incited by the blog, because after all the blog takes a strong anti-conservative stand?
Of course not.
Threatening a federal judge is both stupid and illegal. If they can catch the fools they should put them in jail. I don’t think that Libby or any of his attorneys would disagree.
So much for web standardization!
ANd, if you look at the entire Bush tenure, we’ve all beek “borked” repeatedly…
Sorry, I’ll keep it serious now..
New thread.
Biographical data of the judges on the DC Circuit can be found here.
emptywheel @ 151
Judge Walton smacking down both Bork and Dershowitz at once, basically mocking them. That made my day!! Dershowitz won’t hear the end of it I am sure.
brassband @ 155
That was written in response to the motion to allow them to file the brief. He hadn’t read the brief yet.
brassband @ 155
Well, because they are luminaries. I don’t have to like them to recognize that. I would ask why these luminaries thought they didn’t have to put any real effort into that brief.
Live blog part II up and running. Again, please keep comments brief, on topic, resist the urge to launch copious one-liners, and generally be kind to Pach so he doesn’t have to constantly start a new thread. Our servers, Pach and the mods thank you!
Paul @ 170
Paul
I’d normally agree with you. But we know that one of the letters Jeffress submitted–after his review–spoke of the kind of retribution the letter-writer himself has exacted in the past. So, in fact, Jeffress might not have suppressed the letters, because when he had a chance to supress a letter with a threat, he didn’t do so.
Paul@112, Aussie never said Lincoln was a Dem.. He said “liberal, progressives”. Surely you would agree that Lincoln was in fact progressive.
Kathleen @ 117
Before I can even post, Someone makes my case for me.
Threats against this administration from the left have become so commonplace that they are now in the realm of Cliche.
I see Barrister Robbins is in a tizzy because Fitz does nothave the ability to file a final report of his findings and conclusions. His complaint in this regard should be remedied immediately with a full Fitz report. Beyond that, I think many of Robbins “expanded” arguments may have been waived by not being specifically pled before. These are not merely expansions, they are distinguishable arguments not previously fleshed out.
In response to Christy @ 77:
I read Robbins’s argument as going beyond invoking the dread prospect of reversal. Robbins is saying that the DC Circuit will decide to disagree with other Circuit Courts and instead follow a Scalia DISSENT, and he is saying it with an assurance, if not outright arrogance, that I find disturbing. He’s basically saying that the DC Circuit is filled with ideologues who will buck existing Supreme Court precedent to rule his way.
The sad thing is, he may be right.
Paul @ 180
Libby or Cheney are leftist? That’s it, I’m turning in my card…
Paul, you’re humor-impaired and not very bright, are you?
Paul @ 179
First he may try to escape to Saudi Arabia.
Hmmm, from a double false analogy to just pure fantasy. Whether concern troll or just plain troll, I think we’ve established that Paul is a waste of bandwidth.
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Paul sed:
Well most people realize Lincoln was a Repubublican, but he wasn’t a neo-con or a Bush Repuke. His opponents were definitely to the right of him. Saddam, now there’s a real leftie, for you….let’s see hard-core military dictator, that liberal pansy.
As someone pointed out earlier, wrt liberals sharpshooting skills, even though Ronnie Raygun “forgot to duck” the shooter missed. The shooter who by the way was a mentally unstable scion of a Keenebunkport family connected to the Bushes. The Reagan assassination attempt had little to do with politics, unless it was an attempt to remove the obstacle (at that time) to the Bush Dynasty that we are so fortunate as to enjoy today.
Paul, are you qualified to comment here? Most folks here have more respect for facts and context.
brassband @ 165
just to clear-up here — this is NOT
an accused’s bond-hearing — this
is a convict’s bail on appeal, after
a jury trial and conviction, AND his
bail request seeks a change in the
existing law. . .
not exactly required to be fast-tracked,
as he has clearly had his “notice and
opportunity to be heard” — and,
he was found guilty.
the jails are loaded with convicts,
sitting on their right to “win” on appeal.
scooter is — and should be — no different.
In a Washington court room today, Americans learned that Judge Reggie Walton has received threatening phone calls and letters for his sentence of Scooter Libby. Apparently, from John Cornyn, Tom Delay and Ann Coulter to the right-wing grassroots, threatening judges is now business as usual for the American conservative movement.
For the details, see:
“Libby Court’s Walton Latest Target of Right-Wing Threats to Judges.”
JGabriel @ 143
Ok you are right, I am a complete idiot for not seeing that a counsel might see some benefit in getting an amicus brief from a major scholar like Bork, but not also try to get some anonymous thugs to threaten a federal judge. Yes I can see the similarities between those two tactics now. Shrewd.
Thanks.
It seems to me that the whole CIPA question is moot, as it would have to been appealed (and reviewed in an expedited fashion) during the trial, thereby halting the trial, and that, the fact that the “too many things on his mind” defense was not reinforced by Libby’s or others’ testimony. Is this right?
Let me amend and amplify #166 above, after a quick brush-up on the court’s internal procedures. Here’s what Team Libby should be prepared to do. If I were them, I’d ahve a signed notice of appeal and check for the filing fee in the hands of a lackey, ready to file by hand the moment the sentence is finalized. The rules say they do not need a separate notice of appeal fo the bail denial, so they should also have in hand an application to the court of appeals for a stay of the sentence pending appeal. It looks like that application is briefed on a motion schedule, meaning Libby files the application and a brief in support and Fitz will have 10 days to respond. The applicable rule actually requires a “prompt” disposition by the court, so it does not seem that they need to file anything separate to get expedited consideration.
The court definitely is in its summer recess, but it has panels available for emergency matters. My guess is tht they are pretty busy.
The sum is this: If Libby snares a sympaethic “summer panel,” there’s a chance he could be sprung before his report date. But my feeling is that the court is busy enough — and that Libby is going to be throwing so many issues at the court — that it’s going to be a couple of months before a decision.
Paul, I don’t think anyone has suggested that Libby and his defense team “personally” engineered the threats on Judge Walton. No one claims that the guys in New Jersey that talk on the phone to each other actually get their orders from Osama been Forgotten either, just their inspiration. Where do you get your inspiration from, Mickey’s friend Goofy?
Paul
You are a liar. I never said lincoln was a democrat You can’t even get your facts straight.
Dr. King’s and President Kennedy’s assasinations were by innocent mad people?
Are you fucking mad?
You are an implausible source although me losing my temper also means I am.
and at least I admit it
Neil @ 121
Yup.
Linky
And in US v North, the question was whether the AG had the right to intercede over his independent prosecutor, not whether the independent prosecutor could handle CIPA by himself, with the grant from Comey
Not a snowball’s chance in hell that he recuses himself.
Liddy is going to jail, how many days before his partner in in crime, the president, springs and then they both make a run for the border?
theExile @ 110
Now that’s an interesting suggestion.
I can see it now: Bush decides to let Scooter out until his appeal is decided and Scooter says no because he’d rather go to a secure place where he’ll be safe. Then whether his appeal overturns the conviction he’ll have spent a little time in jail, but not enough to leave him squalling “Mommy” the way Paris did.
Poor girl. I feel sorry for her. She’s just not built for that kind of treatment. Of course, few people are.
brassband @ 138
Hmmm, his first priority is justice and we all know justice is served, not ordered around like a law clerk.
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Judge Walton is a hero.
He is upholding the judicial system as our founders envisioned it and he is upholding the constitution. He is not bending to the will of the neo-cons. I hope everyone will be appreciative of this American hero. While expected, I hate the fact that he is receiving such terrible threats. Stand strong. The American People are behind you.