Lew will be interviewed by Peter Hart of FAIR on CounterSpin tomorrow at 2PM – find stations here. The MP3 and podcast will be available at the same link on Friday – and don’t forget to check out all the other great CounterSpin programs while you’re at it. – Siun
If you’re wondering how the “al-Marri-can’t-be- detained-as an-enemy-combatant- without-a- charge-being-filed” decision by the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals affects the case of Jose Padilla, the short answer is – it doesn’t. The decision comes too late. The Justice Department managed to weasel around a previous Supreme Court which was on the verge of freeing Padilla of those “enemy combatant” charges, and instead, the DoJ — voila — discovered new charges – conspiracy – dug up from aging wiretaps. So on it goes.
* * * *
We return to non-Arabic speaking, non-Arabic reading FBI agent John T. Kavanaugh, Jr. He was explaining to the Miami jury in the conspiracy case against Jose Padilla, that he, and others at the Justice Department, had parsed out the coded meaning of certain words and phrases overhead in the wiretapped taped phone conversations.
“Mr. Kavanaugh also said a reference to ‘eating cheese’ was code for waging jihad. But he said he had no idea what a reference to a “reservation on the female donkey” meant.
The jurors didn’t need a translation when Padilla addressed the others he was talking as “Bro.”
While this is not exactly the stuff of Captain Midnight’s Decoder Ring, it’s a slam dunk that Padilla and his co-conspirators were not planning a secretive, destructive foreign operation.
There is no example here of the cryptanalyst’s finest hour in a minute-by-minute breaking of the Japanese coded messages from Tokyo to Washington, D.C. on December 7, 1941, no blazing success story as the Americans baffled the Japanese by using the exclusively oral language of the Navahoes, and nothing bearing the imprint of the all seeing-all knowing National Security Agency, no network of global surveillance. Just audio tapes of guys talking shit. They do that – guys talk shit.
What is being presented to the jury is the prosecution’s interpretation of the code gleaned from the 300,000 taped phone conversations :
“go to the picnic” = travel to an area of jihad
“the first area” = Afghanistan
“the trade” and “commerce” = jihad
“married” = killed or martyred
“the dogs” = the United States government
“playing football” and “to eat cheese” = engaging in jihad
“the students” = the Taliban
Another revelation of how far the prosecution is bending over to prove conspiracy comes from the fact that one of the conspirators has been a public voice for the civil rights of Islamic fundamentalists. San Diego Union-Tribune reporter Jeff McDonald had this new angle to the story. It turns out that years before 9/11 “a group of Muslim extremists in San Diego was raising money and recruiting fighters…”
As early as 1993, the FBI was wiretapping at least two San Diego men who agents suspected were members of [what the FBI called ] a “sleeper cell” plotting terror strikes across the globe.
One of the two was Mahammed Zaky, and his “protége” Kifah Jayyousi, now one of Padilla’s co-conspirators. Both railed about Russian brutality in Chechnya. Zaky was so incensed that he fought with the Chechen soldiers and was killed in that conflict by a Russian soldier in 1995. Jayyousi continued the struggle from the San Diego area. But it was a rather public “sleeper cell.”
Three times in the 1990s, Jayyousi wrote letters to the editor of The San Diego Union Tribune in which he complained about news coverage of Islamic fundamentalists or opinion pieces published by the newspaper.
Jayyousi also seemed to put down rather public roots in the community.
He moved to San Diego in the mid 1980s and became a father when his wife delivered twin boys, Mohammed and Karem, birth records show.
The family later settled in a four bedroom house in Lemon Grove . . .in 1993 and moved to the smaller home in Claremont, a few blocks west of the Islamic Center of San Diego, the largest mosque in the county.In October 1993, Kifah Jayyousi opened a bank account in the name of “Islamic Group,” according to the federal indictment handed down in Florida. Investigators labeled it an “overt act.”
Now we’re starting to get an idea of just how secretive this conspiracy was. Hassoun jokes with Padilla in response to Padilla’s demur about chitchatting on the phone about going to Busch Gardens in a New York Times exclusive.
We take the whole family and have a blast,” Mr. Hassoun said. “We go to, uh, our Busch Gardens, you know … You won’t regret it. Money back guarantee.Mr. Padilla, laughing, suggested that they not discuss the matter over the phone.
“Why?” Mr. Hassoun said. “We’re going to Busch Gardens. What’s the big deal!”
Padilla is so “covert” that he publicly converts to Islam and officially changes his name to be recognized as a Muslim. Jayyousi lays down roots in Southern California after his friend is killed by Russian troops, opens a bank account and begins to publish The Islamic Reporter, which the Justice Department labels as a newsletter promoting violence as a religious obligation.
A co-conspirator who becomes a home owner and who writes letters of complaint to the editor of the San Diego Union-Tribune, all three under the watchful eye and listening ear of the FBI.
What, exactly, was the threat, where, exactly is the evidence that they methodically planned ”to murder, kidnap and maim” people in other countries? Or is this the same kind of bullshit from the Department of Justice on a par with its boss Attorney General Alberto Gonzales who gave (or just couldn’t remember) reasons for dismissing eight prosecutors?
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uno?
Zwei.
Drei.
Ha. I can count too.
Funf?
We are supposed to rush over from the other thread so we can play duck duck goose?
Evening, Lew, thanks again for another update!!! 8-)
CTuttle at *
Many thanks..I truly mean that.
Ya have to love how undercover and conspiratorial these guys are.
raven @ 6
ps, this comment was no reflection on the post, it’s great!
dakine01 at 10
In someway, these guys remind me of the Three Stooges, bumping into each other, giving one another conspiratorial nuggies.
Speculation is that certain words on phone lines such as Saddam, Osama might need more attention. Now do we have to be concerned about talking about picnics? Thanks for your posts since the so called MSM seems to have forgotten about this case.
Time for quotation marks. Department of “Justice”.
raven at 10
(Breathing a huge sigh of relief) Thank you.
Well, it is just possible that the shrubbies are onto something here. Their non-Arabic speaking “experts” can understand the secret code because they use it too..
okay, I’m being snarky here, but a new study (linked below) by the prestigious EastWest Institute concluded that the American Christian fundie extremists share virtually ALL of the same values as the “Islamofacist” extremist fringe “enemy.”… Yep. Shrubbies share the same values as the “enemy”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200…..rCH.oE1vAI
This trial is definitely going beyond the usual strangeness for even the Bushistas. Too bad we can’t bring William Burroughs and HST back to help, but, Lew – you’re doing great. This is getting to be real read it aloud to get the full impact stuff. THANKS!
Loo Hoo att 13
Thanks for the opening…Have you seen the cover
of the new Vanity Fair? Talk about Justice. There’s Desmond Tuto, and..yes, George Bush, huddled all close and nice, as if Bush ever gave a shit. More obscene: the photo by Annie Leibovitz — who used to be more chosey.
Blub at 15
I understand that the United States is not well loved in the Islamic community. But to be put on trial for not liking, or even hating us — that’s not exactly a hate crime. It’s more a thought crime. Not what Padilla and the others are charged with.
first the war on reason
now the war on meaning
cheese = jihad
Lew, thanks for this post
(and thanks to you and Rachel for your great work on this ominous trial)
PS: Zed lives! (the ducks told the goose who told me)
What, exactly, was the threat, where, exactly is the evidence that they methodically planned ”to murder, kidnap and maim” people in other countries….
Islamophobia – the 21st Century anti-Semitism.
Lew Koch @ 18
But effectively what they’re being tried for…
Lew, Can you infer anything about the jury?
Hello Lew, and thank you for being our eyes/ears on the Padilla merry-go-round.
The PDB that was headlined “Osama bin Laden determined to attack inside US” unfortunately did not name Saddam Hussein, so it was not actionable.
Now, they attempt to use Padilla as a moist towelette to wipe the red from the face of the P.N.A.C.
kirk murph at 19
Rachel and I thank you (she just lifted her head from the law review books she was studying, nodded and went back to studying.)
Is there any possibility that they were just talking about eating cheese?
Ed*ard Teller @ 20
Hmm. I guess some of the language used is not that different from the old-fashioned kind of anti-Semitism – the whole world domination things comes to mind.
TexB @ 25
Or cutting cheese, out of respect for dear leader, Farticus.
Gotta say I love the Busch Gardens tale …
what a horror that they are in jail for such nonsense.
Lew Koch @ 17
Choosy like this?. Nixon finally gets a photo shoot with THE 70s photographer, and it turns out to be his last helicopter ride.
Blub at 21
EXACTLY!
JPL at 22
If I could read the jury (I’m not there at the moment) but they looked like, well, every other jury I’ve seen. Fat, thin, ugly, beautful etc. etc.– who the hell knows. My guess is (and I mentioned this last time) is that the “Justice” and the prosecutors are in trouble making the case — which is why the prosecutor of the JFK Airport ginned up the hysteria level. It used to be “The Russians are Coming, the Russians are coming.” Now it’s more like, well, you get the idea.
Siun at 28
Joseph Heller or Lenny Bruce couldn’t, even in their best moments, make this stuff up.
Lew,
has Padilla warmed up to his own attorney’s yet, or is he still suspicious they are merely a tool of the government, due to his years of ruinous captivity?
We’ll probably find out 25 years from now that Padilla was actually criminally speeding the day of his arrest and because he looked Arab the Feds accused him of being a terrorist and made up a fake plot. *rolling eyes*
Hey, anything is possible these days with the batch of warmongering imbeciles we have running our nation.
Oilfieldguy at 32
Great question. There’s no way to tell. His lawyers are forbidden to talk (on pain of jail or disbarment.) Padilla’s body language is hard to read. I saw no informal kibbitzing going on.
Well, I can see how “the students” might mean the Taliban (the Pakistan madrassa sourcing for many of them), but that wouldn’t necessarily have anything to do with speaking “in code.” Nor would calling the US Gov dogs – people in Kentucky call it much worse and they aren’t trying to make it undecipherable code – they pretty much expect that you’ll know exactly what they mean.
I have this vauge recollection, too, from one of our many not-so-successful stories of lack of cooperation, that there was some terrorist suspect who caused a cross-agency kefuffle bc one branch intercepted discussions about him going somewhere for his wedding and caught all geared up to go and grab him bc he was about to engage in a terrorist act – - while another branch had been doing more than random intercepts and knew that he was actually getting married and going to the wedding.
I so wish I could remember the specifics – I’m pretty sure I’ve got the generalities right.
So – would Swiss Cheese have been hol[e]y jihad?
Oilfieldguy @ 32
“You’re just being paranoid. Afterall, believing that the US government IS capable of illegally grabbing you off an American street, disappearing you, sticking you incommunicado into a steel box, torturing you for five years, tormenting you to the brink of madness and then prosecuting you for thought crime, makes you the poster boy for clinical paranoia.”
Wasn’t it the guy who is currently in charge of the CIA the one who on September 10, 2001 listened in on the phone call between two of the hijackers? And did nothing?
Oilfieldguy @ 27
I am Farticus!
ROFL.
KayinMaine at 33
Please read the entire al-Marri decision or at least Glenn Greenwald’s analysis at Salon. Truly brilliant.
I will Lew. Thanks. ;-)
Lew Koch @ 30
I was concerned about that but hopefully the ending is the same. Great movie.
Hey Lew – I apologize if this is too far OT….but I kinda fear it’s of a piece with the trial.
Private security on Federal property today (Emeryville, CA) suppressed a peaceful public demo on Federal property falsely claiming a permit was required.
And they demanded – and obtained – the protesters’ names and addresses.
No Federal officer on the scene.
All done by the hired goons.
Blackwater wannabees.
Right next to Oakland and Berkeley.
Taking names and closing the rally.
Hey – we’re a megacorp.
We don’t have to care abut your Constitution.
[h/t kpfa evening news]
Mary at 35
Damn that story does sound familiar. But no more than some other real stories about the feebies. Some time, off topic, I could reminisce about the FBI and computer hackers they couldn’t catch until other hackers lead them my their ears to the “right” person
Kirk, who hired the private security? Why would anyone give up their private information to them?
kirk murphy @ 42
federal property in Emeryville? where?
kirk murphy at 42
That is NOT ot. It’s exactly what Padilla is all about — not believing in the Constitution. These folks are radicals — John Yoo writing that there are no limits — NO LIMITS WHATSOEVER on the Commander in Chief. He wrote about a 15 word memo on just that September 25, 2001 — fourteen days to trash the Constitution and Bill of Rights for military “security.”
Lew, just a quick scan of Greenwald’s latest post is absolutely frightening! But hey, we have a president who believes he is the Boy King and I’m sure when he gave himself the authority recently to be the one to formulate the government if there’s a national disaster, well, it makes sense that early on he was testing out the “powers” he thinks he “truly has”.
He and his cabal are scary. Creepy how when they come out into the sunlight to talk to us, they appear like they care about our safety or we as a people. *rolling eyes*
Correction, make that 15,000 words
Lew @ 46:
I get the feeling a lot of these papers and documents (Patriot Act etc) were written in the 1990’s or during the first few months of Bush’s reign.
Hello Lew,
Terrific post. Sounding more like Spies Like Us only not so funny.
Has anyone else written about the hinky timing of when people are categorized as “enemy combatants” and how the lawyers are told “the president has taken an interest in your case.” Methinks they needed to show some results for increased domestic security. Sorry if others spoke to this already.
Wish me luck, firepups: I’m going to try and power through Guantanamo by Joseph Margulies and Ghost Plane by Stephen Grey for a little light summer reading. I have to say, I was a little leery of checking out of the library…if I can find the books Lew recc’d on his last post, I’ll have to pay cash. ;)
KayinMaine at 49
There’s always been an FBI and military “wish” list that gets added to every year. It’s never enough for them. If it ain’t the commies, it’s whoever. There’s new threats everywhere and we have to be frightened.I’ve read that Cheney was determined to turn back the clock to the good old cold warrior days.
37 – Hayden.
The one who went before the joint 9/11 commission and told them that Congress should consider changing where it drew the lines on wiretaps (without disclosing that he and Bush had already taken care of just that very thing for Congress and it didn’t really have to worry its pretty little head over it).
Because after all – then he could have had more untranslated and mistranslated and ineffectively anlayzed and tied together random information bits that he wasn’t processing.
do-si-do at 50
I know Joe Margulies and the book is terrific. Ghost Plane sounds just right for a long hot summer.
Loo Hoo. @ 44
Hired by/ working for Feds (they said).
As far as telling the goons anything, WTF?
Time to resume basic “know-your-rights” skill shares.
I couldn’t f’ing believe it – someone providing her address (and the group she was affiliated with) to the attentive goons.
I wish they’d read Katya Komisaruk’s excellent Beat The Heat or checked with their local National Lawyers’ Guild trainers.
Yeesh.
But still, they should never have been asked.
PS: Condolences to Rebecca. Glad you’ll be fighting the good fight – sorry getting there is so miserable.
PPS: punaise, the story mentioned Lee’s office, but I don’t know if this was/was not the demo site (I’m on dial-up, so can’t replays tory on link. The info came around 24 min past hr, IIRC).
lew@ 43 – if I find the story I’m thinking of, I’ll send you a link or cite.
I am going to go to bed wondering, though, if references to velveeta count as jihad code.
Kirk, do tell!
I’m trying to find any alternate mentions of this and can’t…(I’m podcast challenged.)
For folks who are not familiar with the geography, this is a stone’s throw from The Republic of Berkeley. I’m amazed that the good folks are not more savvy about their rights, maybe they are and that’s why I’m hungry to learn more.
Sorry for the O/T here.
Mary at 52
Are you talking about William J. Haynes II, who was General Counsel for the Department of Defense — he went before the Council on Foreign Relations on December 12, 2002 to claim, like the Al-Marri decision found was wrong, the idea that the Commander in Chief could do any goddam thing he well wanted to.
Mary @ 55
The Hollywood blacklist was really about cheesy movies.
Mary at 55
VELVEETA?????
kirk murphy – it’s tangential to the issue, but having had my office located in Emeryville for ten years until last year, I am unaware of any fed. property there. Chiron has been a site of protests in E-ville. B. Lee’s home office is in Oakland, with a satellite office in Castro Valley. I’ll try to listen to the KPFA report later.
Mary @ 55
Don’t let it get your goat (cheese).
Lew Koch @ 34
I take it you mean that Padilla’s lawyers are ######### to talk to the press? And I thought this rule only applied to the courtroom? Is there a gag order beyond the courtroom?
Sorry if I’m not retaining the details.
do-si-do – Ghost Plane is a very fast read. A lot of pages are appendix support. It’s a demoralizing, scarey read, but fast.
I don’t know if Marulies will have this story, but one that comes up about GITMO is that they were interrogating a young teen (maybe 15?) and they were trying to figure out how al-Qaeda transfers cash and thought he might be involved and so they had the translator ask him about where he was sent to get money. He then gave all kinds of responses back. This market, this one, this one etc.
So they figured he was a boy financier for Al-Qaeda and that there was a huge market system for financing. The problem was that the boy and the translator spoke different dialects and what the translator was using as a word for money (or maybe it was cash?) sounded to the boy the same as his dialect for “tomato.”
Really enjoyed the updates and context on Padilla. Night
Lew Koch @ 59
can I get a Herb Caen “Baghdad-by-the-Bay” shout-out for Chico, CA?
Lew Koch @ 34
That’s another travesty added on to this whole sordid affair, Lew! Ah, you headed me off at the pass, within the first sentence of your post! I had been anxious to ask you if the al-Marri ruling would impact Padilla! I still think it will, if only upon appeal, especially since the 4th is the appellate court of record! Hopefully, the Jury will see the serious holes in the Prosecution’s case and acquit Padilla! Meanwhile, if any motions arise within the trial stage, whereby, it needs higher review, I would be mighty interested in the 4th’s decisions, it would appear they’re not as accommodating as they once were!!! Any thoughts???
kirk murphy
I’d be interested in any links to that story. I’m working on a long term project which has to do, in part, with washover from the fearmongering. You can e-mail me at Gmail.
punaise @ 64
Why Chico, punaise?
In October 1993, Kifah Jayyousi opened a bank account in the name of “Islamic Group,” according to the federal indictment handed down in Florida. Investigators labeled it an “overt act.”
Overt act? Hell, I opened a new account last week. Overtly.
The questions is how does the opening of a bank account constitute an overt act in furtherance of a criminal conspiracy to “murder, kidnap and maim” persons in other countries. I assume that the Gov wants the jury to infer that the account was (going to be?) used to finance un-indicted co-conspirators, and that those unnamed persons were thinking very bad things.
I’m also wondering whether all of the meanings of the “code words” and their respective translations actually came into evidence, and if so – how? Who was the person with such intimate familiarity with those words that his/her word was accepted that those words meant (what the govt wants them to mean).
After this post, just like your last one, I’m left with the feeling that the govt has a real crap case. I accept your contention that Padilla is no saint, but from what I’ve been able to glean here, this particular prosecution of Padilla looks like a serious and desperate stretch, and that if his attorneys are any good at all, they should be able to blow this one up.
do-si-do at 62
Padilla’s lawyers are expressly forbidden free speech. They may not talk (or leak) to the press on pain of imprisonment, fine and suspension or revocation of license. She’s the law. Yeah, I know, I know. Makes my job harder. But nobody promised me– whatever
OT but imho important: Under my .SIG you’ll find a pointer to what I hope will be a productive discussion about what tools FDL has adopted, and might adopt in the near-term, to add discussion-style functions to this highly successful blog.
I hope you’ll join in; you’re more than welcome.
Watch out though: the introduction is overlarge… Sorry ’bout that. I’m gonna fix that. Till then, you’ll have to scroll down beore you get to the comments area. :)
I’ll be re-posting this invitation in later blogposts.
Bush Approval At 28%, Lowest Ever In Survey
Lew Koch @ 51
Yes. Any organization gets to the point where its primary mission is to perpetuate itself.
The End Of Faith by Sam Harris is a fascinating read. I have not yet finished it. Harris seems to be a bit hawkish, but he makes some extremely valid points. I love the book so far. I finished The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins and I like this book even better. Anybody read these? They are quite relevant – even to the Padilla issue.
Lew Koch @ 69
Who are the lawyers for Padilla’s lawyers? Is the ACLU on this?
Lew Koch @ 48
Speaking of which, wasn’t that memo just subpoenaed by Waxman? He’s still my Hero, and the hardest working Rep in all of Congress!
Loo Hoo. @ 67
Herb Caen had a somewhat gently needling running joke about how someone once found Velveeta in the gourmet cheese section of a Chico grocery store. Big city sophisticate vs. central valley “culture”, but in a fairly good-natured way.
57 – no, I had detoured a little in response to the question at 37 and was talking about this guy, Hayden, former head of NSA and current head of CIA – where he is busy “stop[ping] the public criticism of the agency’s leadership.”
The final line in that story is pretty funny and sums up this administration. He gets pressed on what he would do if the Senate passed a law making him disclose a report he isn’t wanting to disclose and he perplexedly says, “one has to consider what one might have to do if one is faced with the law.”
One might, wouldn’t one, if one weren’t an imperial one.
I guess under the Bush administration it’s not just a question for intelligence agencies – even the DOJ views “what one might have to do if one is faced with the law” as a hypothetical when applied to their own behaviour.
Hi Lew -
I’m afraid the best I can offer is the link to the most recent KPFA evening news; I’m not finding a transcript funtion on their site.
Sorry I can’t be more specific.
I’m looking for posts on bay area indymedia, but no luck yet.
If I find better links, I’ll send them your way!
(my addy is kmurphy riseup dawt net)
PS – IIRC it was around 24 minutes past hour. If not, then it is at start of Free Speech Radio News for today (starts on KPFA at 6:30 local)
jayt at 68
Precisely (smiles) As Gertrude Stein wrote, “There is no there, there.
The FBI is intuiting. And doing their usual job — very bad, sometimes good, and once in a while, by accident, almost, excellent. If you want an example of a Federal Law enforcement agency who’s work is superior, almost always, look to the Secret Service. These people, in my opinion, know what they are doing. By the way, there had been a “battle” between the FBI and the Secret Service over whose “owned” computer hackers/computer crimes belonged. The SS thought it over and concluded — hey, the FBI wants it, they got it.
Mary @ 77
Wow. Now, isn’t that the bottom line!!!
“what one might have to do if one is faced with the law”…They all need to be faced with the law, now. What does he mean “might“? Keep the law in their face ..now…everyday…every week!!
hackworth at 73
Read Dawkins, loved it
Loo Hoo at 74
Andrew Patel, Padilla’s lawyer these five plus years is a hero, a damn hero. Unsung. He’s devoted to the client — he comes last. I could go on but then he’d be embarrassed if he read this, so I won’t. But I tell you, if I needed someone for the long haul, he’d be my choice.
Lew Koch @ 81
Go on!!
LS at 82
Patel is a federal public defender. Padilla had one other public defender for a short time, but as far as I know (and not from Patel) she spent a great deal of time being interviewed on Fox News, rather then working on the case. (I couldn’t believe my eyes when I saw her there…on Fox F’ing News?) Andy has not sought the limelight. But there are others who don’t give a damn what he thinks, and are going to let the word out on him.
Fed PDs don’t make the big bucks, and don’t get the big time jobs later on.
But I sure as hell trust him to do the right thing.
CTuttle @ 65
I think the 4th might be the Ace-in-the-hole for Padilla!!!
CTuttle at 84
I’m not as optomistic. I think it’s going to go to the jury. If the convict, he’ll appeal, and then by that time, Lord willin’, there will be a whole new Justice Department not covering their asses or their mistakes.
optimistic (my fingers misfired)
Loo Hoo att 13
Thanks for the opening…Have you seen the cover
of the new Vanity Fair? Talk about Justice. There’s Desmond Tuto, and..yes, George Bush, huddled all close and nice, as if Bush ever gave a shit. More obscene: the photo by Annie Leibovitz — who used to be more chosey.
Maybe she was creating something for posterity. If we survive as a species, that photo may provide distant generations with a contrast of the best and worst of mankind at the start of this millennium ….or then again she may just be a lot less chosey.
Great writing Lew and thank you for your fight to get out the truth
I am so behind in these great threads. Has this been noticed yet from ThinkProgress. Not only does the FBI get their own TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS, it is being outsourced and privatized. Apparently 5 agents and 23 “contractors” will be spying on every citizen. It is likely that more than one government agency is doing this now plus who knows what other Loyal Bushie Cabals are spying on us.
Lew Koch @ 85
Essentially, you’re saying the Prosecution is making a case, and the Jury is buying it? In your posts, I had the distinct feeling it wasn’t going so hot for the Prosecution! Was I wrong to assume that?
boing backwards 2 1⁄2 somersaults with 1 1⁄2 twists in the pike position no splash (announcer guy from the WWoS – Suzanne told us she was dedicating this dive to a special kitty who just got out of intensive care)
g’evening folks.
Wonderful post, Lew. I am so glad you are our reporter on this case, bring us the story that MSM does not cover. I’m willing to bet that every time you post here at the Lake, the jaws up at DOJ start to tighten and twitch, and they reach for the antacid tablets.
Loo Hoo. @ 74
Hi LooHoo, If I’m not mistaken, gag orders are often imposed on high profile cases. Just makes Lew’s job a bit harder for the moment. The gag orders are usually lifted once a verdict is reached. IANAL.
Thanks Lew.
Frank33 at 88
Yes, TOTAL INFORMATION AWARENESS now opens the door forever for them to spy on us. Privacy is a dead word.
Suzanne @ 90
Ah, Perfect Dive, Bon Soir, Ma Cheri!!!
punaise @ 76
I graduated from Chico State. Know what else? I like Velveeta. ;0)
do-si-do at 91
You’re completely right. AFTER THE TRIAL IS OVER, AFTER THE TRIAL IS GONE (singing off key)
OKK, I graduated from Chico too!
Photo of Jose Padilla:
http://blogs.abcnews.com/photo…..fbi_ap.jpg
Lew Koch @ 96
There will be a forthcoming book, I hope, after all is said and done??? *g*
There will be a forthcoming book, I hope, after all is said and done??? *g*
Just say yes, Lew.
CTuttle at 99
*g*
Who had the sick or injured kitty?
Suzanne at 100!
Yes, I want to write the book — not only about Padilla, but the legal mess he and the United States have had to endure from this criminal “Justice” department. And to tell the truth, half or more of the stories right here on this blog need to be included.
sick kitty comment, LooHoo
TRex is baaaaack…
Lew Koch @ 101
Are you and Rachel well underway? (Unlike a certain Theropod, we all know and love!!!) I’ll be at my Bookstore, bright and early, upon publication!!! :-)
Loo Hoo. @ 97
All right. ;0)!
Lew Koch @ 103
Don’t forget about:
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/068577.php
Lew, I’m sure that are many like myself here at the Lake who would love to read it, and would rush out to buy it.
TRex is up at bat!!!
Lew- I’m pretty sure that I actually read the “marriage” story in one of your posts! About misinformation as to who was being tracked, and why! Or, maybe in the comments. Maybe one by Siun?
Suzanne at 109
I hope some publishers/editors are reading this. Me — I’ve trailed off into fantasy land.
Valley Girl at 111
I’ll look for it and you too. Thanks
CTuttle @ 84
This point was clarified in a comment Monday night. Padilla was originally held in a Navy Brig in South Carolina, and sought habeas in US District Court there; the appeal in his case therefore went to the Fourth Circuit. Just before the Fourth Circuit Court’s decision was to be heard by the US Supreme court, the Justice Department, fearing what the Supremes might do, moved him out the military system to a normal criminal system, and I think he’s now being tried in Florida, which is in the 11th Circuit. So his appeal would go the 11th Circuit Court, not the 4th.
Lew Koch @ 113
Lew, I just went off to do an advanced google, but I couldn’t find the info. I thought it was in one of your posts, but maybe it was one by Siun.
as far as I can remember, it had something to do with monitoring the conversations of someone who was talking about going to a wedding, and how this was a total waste of time. For some reason I associate it with one of your Padilla posts- post or comment. But, I’m sure it was something I read at FDL.
Maybe after I sleep on it, it will come back to me.
Scarecrow @ 114
Thank you, Scarecrow! It dispelled a lot!!!
koch
this is a very important case and trial.
there is something lacking in your’s (and your spouse’s) coverage.
i’m not sure what it is,
maybe too much repetition,
maybe a lack of a sense of history,
maybe a sense of your “story” being too fixed or formulaic.
anyway,
in my opinion,
you need to do better for the country
and for the money.
you reporting so far has been informative, but kind of like reading a glossy travel brochure.
lacking in substance.
punaise @ 45
Oakland Army Base and Oakland Naval Supply Center – both at the foot of the Bay Bridge, next to Emeryville. The only fed property I know of there.
Neil @ 71
How can anyone support Bush, let alone 28% of the people? Who are they anyway?
….And if your phone was tapped when you happened to say you went on a picnic and traded a football playing cheese dog for a first-year trade & commerce student, then MAN, are you in trouble!
I just thought of a great rebuttal to the oft-profferred pundit question at the debates…”Is America safer now than before 9/11?”
“No…I recall that the WH, at the request of Republicans in Congress placed thousands of Iraqi documents in Arabic on the Internet to have them translated…several of those had Saddams pre-1990 Gulf War formulas for nerve gas and a schematic for a nuclear bomb. Saddam had, as part of the 1992 UN Sanctions provided these documents to the UN…where they were kept secure. But the Republicans and the WH placed them in a spot where any real terrorist could obtain access to them…in “easy-to-read” Arabic! We have folks like Senator Roberts and Bond for such a program…along with the current clowns in the White House.”
Lew and Rachel, Thank you for the education. Without your coverage I’m sure I would be ignorant as I don’t think I would go searching for this. I have to agree with Suzanne that the DOJ must need help with stomach acids generated by sunshine. Are you keeping a journal of your experiences covering this trial? I would be very interested in reading it.
Again, thank you and bring us as much information as possible. If I can follow Ms. Doan, well, I guess what I am saying is that I want to know more.
Scarecrow @ 114
I worry for him about the following nightmare..
1) The jury is responsible and acquits. (NFW there is no reasonable doubt…)
2) The gov the reclassifies him as an enemy combatant and imprisons him in a district that will go their way.
3) They take it back to the SCOTUS which now is weighed in their favor. 5-4 he goes back down the rabbit hole.
quake @ 119
They are the same people who think congress should not set a time line for Iraq withdrawal. The same poll notes that now a majority of people (54%) think the should set a withdrawal date and on, BTW, congress, which DID NOT set a date now has a 23% approval rating.
Einhundert-funf und zwanzig.
Valley Girl @115
Wasn’t the “wedding” chatter part of the Lackawanna, New York supposed sleeper cell? One of them was actually traveling to the Middle East for an arranged marriage?
Well, after hearing about Padilla conspiring to go to Busch Gardens, the Miami terror plot involving hair gel and karate movies, the plot by drug-addled homeless guys to blow up JFK, the plot to destroy the Brooklyn Bridge with a blowtorch, and the 6 evildoers at Fort Dix who were going to do terrible damage by invading a military base disguised as pizza delivery guys but couldn’t figure out how to work a DVD player, I am forced to conclude that the nation’s clown colleges are in fact turning out terrorists.
117
It might interest people who may be checking back here for Padilla reading, that the trial is moving rather slowing right now. Not all trials have the same exciting pace and all star witnesses as others in the news right now.
Also, how can a post be both informative but lacking in substance? If one is going to get personal in the comments they should at least get their facts straight.
Rachel Koch is NOT Lew’s spouse.
And singlespacing works for both negative and positive comments. Thank you.
The trial is but one piece of the story. The Kochs are keeping this in the public eye, whether or not there are interesting fiery exchanges to tantalize us all. Keeping it in the public eye is serving the country IMO and it is an especially difficult job to do when the wheels of “justice” are grinding so slowly for these defendants.
KayInMaine @ 37
Were they talking about cheese?
What’s next, arresting Wallace and Gromit for saying, “Let’s go some where there’s cheese.”?
Who was it listening to the conversation and doing nothing?