The other night on Hardball/Countdown, panelists were discussing the Senate’s 53-38 vote to end debate on the resolution to express no confidence in Alberto Gonzales. Though the cloture vote “failed” because it needed 60 votes, every Democratic Senator present (Obama and Biden were absent) and seven Republicans had just publically indicated that the Attorney General of the United States had so badly served the nation and disgraced the Justice Department that he should be humiliated into resigning — or be fired by the President. All this had become necessary because Gonzales had neither the decency nor honor to resign voluntarily, and because President Bush needed Gonzales in place as a firewall against the White House’s own involvement in subverting the rule of law.
But that’s not the way it was reported. Here was a prominent national reporter, Newsweek’s Howard Fineman — but it could have been any of dozens of Beltway reporters — wisely and seriously explaining that the no confidence vote was “just politics,” just as the Republican leadership, who also hold Gonzales in contempt and wish he would just go away, had framed it. It was “politics” because it was mostly Democrats, and it was “politics” because it was just designed to embarrass the President, and it was “politics” because a no confidence vote would not automatically remove Gonzales, and so Senator Kyl must be right when he said that no confidence votes simply have no place in our form of government.
And I thought, how can a seasoned reporter like Fineman (or any of his like-minded Beltway peers) not see how important these “political” events are? Don’t they see the connection to impeachment? And don’t they understand that the rule of law is under siege on every front, and that Gonzales has become both enabler and perpetrator of that danger?
I wanted to ask Fineman, what exactly is wrong with the Senate expressing no confidence in a member of the President’s cabinet who has so dismally failed the American people and betrayed his office? Why can’t we use this tool, especially when all the checks and balances of a well functioning government that in the past functioned to uphold the rule of law have been so severely damaged by this aggressively lawless regime — and the indifferent and complicit Republican Party — that the normal methods of righting the ship and restoring justice have become unavailable. And part of the reason for this crippling condition is the media’s refusal to take this seriously. It’s “just politics.”
The Justice Department has become so politically compromised that no one can assume its criminal prosecutions are based on facts instead of political motivations and furtherance of one-party rule. The civil rights division has turned into a perpetrator of civil wrong. Career attorneys who were dedicated to protect Americans’ right to vote have been pushed out and replaced by political operatives hell bent on denying likely Democratic voters the ability to even register. Honorable prosecutors have been replaced by White House loyalists and incompetent cronies. Men and women with integrity who would never sanction wholesale lawlessness by the executive or massive invasions of citizens’ privacy or sanction torture have been “retired” to make way for political operatives who justify felonies, illegal surveillance, torture, illegal kidnapping, indefinite detention and the imposition of military law on US residents. These thugs simply don’t care that what they’ve created is a daily embarrassment to the American people. And those are just the outrages we know about. All this happened on Gonzales’ watch at DoJ or his stint as WH counsel; he looked the other way as his White House masters trashed the justice system and disgraced America before the world.
That’s the story, Howard, and you and your colleagues should be reporting it, because this is the most important “political” story to come along in decades. This is not “just politics,” Howard. It’s about the Constitution, the rule of law, about what kind of a country we’re becoming. And “politics” is not a bad word, Howard. Politics is what makes America work, what separates it from dictatorships. It’s how we translate the “consent of the governed” into lawful actions by the government.
Americans want their Justice Department back. We want an Attorney General with integrity and courage to stand up to lawlessness. “No confidence” votes are a legitimate, logical way for elected representatives to express the people’s will in a democracy. And Howard Fineman should know that.
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‘Morning, Scarecrow!
edit: By the way, FirePups, this is an EXCELLENT article for SPOTLIGHTing to Newsweek’s Fineman and senior editorial staff. Just click the Spotlight link at the bottom of the article and away you go. Tell Newsweek (and MSNBC which carries Newsweek) to catch a clue about the link between the No Confidence vote and potential impeachment of Gonzales.
uno?
Rayne @ 1
Mornin’ Rayne! Last night my connection crashed just as I was going to let you know that I actually knew what da kine meant (I figured it out even before Pidgin To Da Max came out.
Mornin’ Scarecrow!
Good morning Rayne and firedogs.
I’m running a little late this a.m., and still fixing typos. Refresh and the title might even make sense.
Lots of stuff happening in Iraq and here. You can bring to breakfast.
dakine01 @ 3
I figured you did because of your “handle” — “dakine01″ is redundantly superlative. ;-)
Good morning scarecrow!
scarecrow, we’ve been under seige since reagan rescinded the fairness doctrine
we’ve been under seige ever since corporations have been able to own multiple media in multiple venue
at one time there were over 50 owners of our media and they needed to both compete and serve
now there are I think 6 owners, they spew the agenda that serves their bottom line and that means they always do it the way their contributors and advertisers want them to do it
we need to break up the media, this is clear
we also need to reinstate the fairness doctrine, this is clear
now onto something I JUST posted downstairs and it is on point somewhat on this thread and I hope you consider my suggestion;
perris @ 246
Scarecrow @ 4
I’m a firedog, I want to be mentioned by name too![jealou]puting smiley[/jealous]
You left out using a US Attorney to seek indictments based on political timing (week before the democratic debates) that are meant to feed the mindless fearmongering, by hyping a totally non-existent terrorist plot to blow up Queens by setting a fuel line on fire at JFK. The NY USA spoke in apocalyptic terms about a handful of loons with no capability and a plan that wouldn’t have been particularly damaging if pursued.
But there she was, sounding just like Baghdad Bob.
Like Fineman says “its just politics.”
Help, Mods! Spotlight isn’t (and hasn’t been) working!!1!
In re: Fineman and his reaction to the No-con vote. It’s just the same ol’ same ol’ with these people. Back during H2Ogate, most of the national media and pundits were either “third-rate burglary” or “politics as usual – look what LBJ and RFK did” (although it was mainly J Edgar and his out-of-control minions who saw commies under or behind everything). In those days it was the FBI now it’s the whole DoJ.
It’s still all very wrong and the Fineman’s of the world need to pull their collective heads out of their a**es and get a clue. Of course, since they like to think the Chimpenfuhrer is a “nice” guy, they absolve him of responsibility and down play the problems. If it were Clinton, they would react more vehemenently than those who were on Nixon’s “Enemies List” did.
I wanted to remind all that Selise has been creating place where we can quickly check on Congressional hearings scheduled for the week. It’s in the Massachusetts Newroots page. Selise also posts these on FDL every Monday morning.
Today, Mr. anti-voting rights, Spakovsky, will be answering question. Eli did a post on this last night.
Need to repeat my request from downstairs, sorry:
Could use some help, was up digging through the DOJ’s latest doc dump until 2:30 am…
I need anybody with access to Lexis-Nexis or similar tool to find articles the week of January 9, 2006, that mention Alberto Gonzales’ trip to New Mexico. Specifically want any articles that make reference to other DOJ or White House personnel that may have been on the same trip to New Mexico.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
(There’s some very interesting redaction on emails referring to travel…I think we have a key person in the loop now, but I don’t want to get my hopes up too high.)
From what my DC buddies tell me ol’Howard has been spending all his nights with his ummm
“mandates”,,,,wink-wink..y’all know what I mean. He is too busy to really know what is going on when he is too busy hiding his “real self”…they are all just awful!
Rayne @ 5
I worked with a lot of locals in the acctg office and actually saw an exchange just like the example used in the book:
“Betty, you see da kine?”
“What dakine”
You know, da kine da kine.”
“Oh, da kine – yeah it’s over der.”
uno??
ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wish they had a clue as to how blind they are…
perris @ 8
This post is dedicated to the inimitable perris.
That’ll be 5 cents, please.
Kathryn at 11 — No idea what to tell you on that one — will pass that information along, but not certain why it isn’t working.
Fineman is almost always good when he’s on Olbermann. But he changes his tune when he’s elsewhere. Says whatever is wanted to be heard based upon who he’s talking to and who’s paying him.
A charter member of the new world’s oldest profession.
Thank you, dear heart. There was another evisceration of David Broder i was dying to send to him and was foiled!!
edit- and to all his peers!
It’s comforting to know that these bindle stiffs are speaking to an ever decreasing circle of Americans. This “Who cares what the world thinks of us.” mindset is wearing very thin. The majority of The People are now traitors in the eyes of the Gopers. We should make the most of it.
I think the papers have been alright about reporting this. It’s repeated on the front page when there’s testimony, and it’s not like the whole country is holding their breath like we are about this.
The problem is the President. He’s the one that gets up and says that “it’s political” and that it’s been “drug out”. He’s the one that dictates the party line. Are the newspapers not supposed to print what he says? I agree that they should be more critical of it in the news parts of their papers, but there’s an editorial today in NYT and yesterday in WaPo about how it’s the President who’s stalling.
Reading through those emails this morning, it’s pretty clear that this is a cherry picked few of what Congress has asked for. Bush is trying to stall this until it just goes away. Blame the press all you want, but until Congress steps up to the plate and impeaches Gonzo, or enforces some of these subpeonaes, what is there to report?
btw, Scarecrow, great post. :)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 23
As always
Scarecrow -
This post’s title should read America under
SeigeSiege…I’m chilling out between jobs and I’m exhausted and I’m so far here in Germany but I can’t believe that when the Democrats try and follow the rules it’s called “politics” but what about the last 6 years? The Republicans completely bitchified the Democrats and kept them out of most of the country’s doings, thank god it turns out as more and more illegality keeps turning up. How can Fielding justify not letting people testify? What about precedence?
i wonder if “just politics” is considered a game… where the outcome matters a little less than a regular season baseball game. fun to watch, but not really important.
Scarecrow @ 18
MUWAHAHHA!!!
check comming…my day is complete
off to work all c u L8ter
Scarecrow — Not only do we have von Spakovsky and his FEC hearing, but we also have Laurita Doan and her GSA hearing with Waxman’s committee today. It is going to be quite the day of oversight.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 25
Oops. Thanks. Anyone see anything else?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 29
Yep — and I know just the person we need live-blogging it. Good morning.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 30
decisions, decisions.
i don’t know… which hearing should i watch? which hearing should i record?
Lorita Doan or Hans Von Sapkovsky?
they make it rain and then complaign there aren’t enough umbrella’s”
or something like that, then go through the list
“they gave the lock box of social security to the richest people on the planet and then complaign it needs funds”
“they create terrorists by invading a country they knew posed no threat and then complaign there are terrorists that they created”
“they ignore the most precise intel telling them we’d be attacked even though other presidents avoided attacks when they acted on similar information and then complaign we weren’t prepared for the attack”
“they close the refineries that produce the most petroleum in America and then complaigh we don’t have enough refineries”
man the list goes on forever
The mother of lines like this is from the Roman historian Tacitus
“They make desolation and call it peace”
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ruffian @ 17
They do know. They’ve blinded themselves.
Kathryn in MA @ 11
edit comment is gone too…. at least for now. we’ve been spoiled by all the extra functionality.
Kathryn in MA @ 11
Thanks, Kathryn, just discovered that myself.
Christy, please let the mods know that Spotlight fails to pull the blog post; it will let you select targets, but clicking Next button pulls up an error message: “The blog post could not be extracted.” Could be a setting in WordPress that needs to be reset after the upgrade (hope it’s that easy).
If you folks are still intent on sending a message to Newsweek between now and the fix of Spotlight tool, you might want to surf around for the email addy’s for these folks:
Newsweek:
Dan Klaidman, Washington Bureau Chief
Evan Thomas, Asst Managing Editor
Howard Fineman, Chief Political Correspondent
Jon Meacham, Managing Editor
Jonathan Alter, Senior Political Editor
Michael Rogers, General Manager and Editor News
Richard Smith, Editor in Chief
And now back to hunting down the person traveling with Gonzo in January of 2006…
I don’t think Fineman’s even that good on KO. [He said this trash while on KO last night, with a substitute host.]
I wonder every night why Keith doesn’t put on some REAL journalists like Christy, Jane or Marcy, and then I remember that he’s probably restricted to the “stable” of, well, you fill in the blank, that the MSNBC/Washington Post/Newsweek cartel provides him. It ain’t a pretty lot: Richard Wolff [pompous windbag who never gives the Dems any credit]; Fineman; Jonathan Alter; Chris Cirella; Craig Crawford. And the insufferable Andrea Mitchell!!!
It only “gets real” when he has on a guest like someone from VoteVets. And this is the best he can do on MSNBC!
MR. Bill @ 34
there’s the lead for the blog…r u onit?
Lurita Doan hearing at 10:00 A.M. EST on C-Span 3.
Anybody know what time von Spakovsky faces the music?
I saw Fineman on Olbermann, with the replacement host. She pushed him a bit, but he stuck to his story that this is just politics. There is no doubt that the repubs are trying to gum the issue to death. If we want to see better coverage, we need stronger meat than that vote. After the weak display of questioning in the House, how the heck does impeachment of Gonzales ever get off the ground?
jayt @ 40
10am… will post details…
selise @ 33
Lurita is in front of Waxman and is on CSpan 3. I don’t know what time Hans von’s hearing is but he’s in front of the Senate Rules & Admin committee with DiFi chairing. Other members of that committee are Schumer, Durbin, Dodd. I think that one, witht eh judiciary committee connection just might be more long term entertaining and effective as the Senators seem to question a little bit better than the house.
My $.02
Rayne @ 14
I just did a lexis search for
Gonzales and New Mexico for the dates January 9-16, 2006 and no articles mentioned a trip.
Re-posted from Eli’s thread last night:
Senate Rules and Administration Committee:
Dianne Feinstein, (Calif.), Chairman
Christopher J. Dodd, (Conn.)
Robert Byrd, (W.Va.)
Daniel Inouye, (Hawaii)
Charles Schumer, (N.Y.)
Ben Nelson, (Neb.)
Dick Durbin, (Ill.)
Byron Dorgan, (N.D.)
Patty Murray, (Wash.)
Mark Pryor, (Ark.)
Robert Bennett, (Utah), Ranking Member
Trent Lott, (Miss.)
Ted Stevens, (Alaska)
Mitch McConnell, (Ky.)
Thad Cochran, (Miss.)
Saxby Chambliss, (Ga.)
Kay Bailey Hutchison, (Texas)
Chuck Hagel, (Neb.)
Lamar Alexander, (Tenn.)
jayt @ 40
Looks like they are both in the same time slot.
Also looks like there might have been a shift at some point from Senate Judiciary to Senate Rules Committee for the von Spakovsky hearing…interesting.
Don’t know if the Rules Committee will have live feed, will have to run to their page and check.
selise @ 28
It’s tempting to think of “just politics” as not only a game, the object of which is to get as much attention as possible, but also perhaps as a fantasy world in which the wrongful conduct, inappropriate behavior, and mistakes of those who inhabit that world are not fraught with adverse consequences.
10 am – House Oversight and Government Reform
to examine statements made by GSA Administrator Lurita Doan that impugn the reputation of federal officials who cooperated with a Committee investigation into Ms. Doan’s conduct at the General Services Administration.
Witness: Luirita Doan
10 am – Rules and Administration
To hold hearings to examine nominations to the Federal Election Commission
Witnesses: Steven Walther, Robert Lenhard, David Mason, Hans von Spakovsky
[Hans von Spakovsky’s voter fraud background from TPM]
live feed at the links
p.s. here’s this week’s list (or you can click on my name)
Hey Scarecrow!
Great post as always. I really enjoy reading you first thing in the a.m.
Not real crazy about how my blood pressure spikes though. Small price to pay for the truth.
P E A C E
Rayne @ 47
This is Hans von Spakovsky’s confirmation hearing for the FEC. But would anticiapte that the people like Schumer and DiFi will be intense in questioning while most of the southern Rethugs will be giving Orrins (reach-arounds).
Howard Fineman should do some reading on how the Nazi Party was able to subvert all aspects of governance in the Weimar Republic thereby ushering in the 3rd Reich.
These people just insult my intelligence every time I turn on the teevee. Thanks, as always, scarecrow, for doing the dirty work for those of us who can only stomach it in small doses.
as always, scarecrow, you have the great gift of summary. this graf really should wrap it up for even the willingly blind:
The Justice Department has become so politically compromised that no one can assume its criminal prosecutions are based on facts instead of political motivations and furtherance of one-party rule. The civil rights division has turned into a perpetrator of civil wrong. Career attorneys who were dedicated to protect Americans’ right to vote have been pushed out and replaced by political operatives hell bent on denying likely Democratic voters the ability to even register. Honorable prosecutors have been replaced by White House loyalists and incompetent cronies. Men and women with integrity who would never sanction wholesale lawlessness by the executive or massive invasions of citizens’ privacy or sanction torture have been “retired” to make way for political operatives who justify felonies, illegal surveillance, torture, illegal kidnapping, indefinite detention and the imposition of military law on US residents. These thugs simply don’t care that what they’ve created is a daily embarrassment to the American people. And those are just the outrages we know about. All this happened on Gonzales’ watch at DoJ or his stint as WH counsel; he looked the other way as his White House masters trashed the justice system and disgraced America before the world.
fineman actually IS worse than others within the beltway journopundit loop. his slobbering about bush has despoiled the very notion of what constitutes legitimate commentary.
even so, you’re right. his is just another voice in the choir — the chorus, “nothing to see hear.”
there really ought to be a journalism prison where these inveterate offenders should be forced to do hard time.
the picture up top of abu torture reminds me to repost this;
leahy begins hearings about the “warrantless wiretaps”, on thursday they will authorize subpoenas
think progress has this;
if anyone has contact with leahey’s office we need to get him to start framing this discussion with the correct vernacular
he’s got to start saying things like;
“without warrants it’s too easy for officials to steal from the public and bussiness, we are going to do whatever is possible to keep people from stealing from us, THAT’S why we need warrants and officials that were hired without oversite, who made it into their position by “contributing to someone’s campaign” are CERTAINLY people we don’t want with our personal information nor our bussiness secrets”
see this?
THAT’S how this must be discussed by EVERY democrat
I’m sick of blaming the press. That’s the Repug game. Sure, they lie. Esp. Fox and WSJ. But the Democrats have to get better at getting the facts out and standing by them. They’re getting better at it, but they’re still timid in the face of any public criticism.
In this case, the way to keep the facts on the front page is to keep up the subpeonaes, enforce them, keep getting testimony, and impeach Gonzo – that will grab some headlines. Every time the President, or the Repugs, stand behind Gonzo, they lose face. Keep it up and the media will follow.
kdh22 @ 49
Sorry about the blood pressure. I could do recipes, but mine would probably kill you.
argh. i am going to have to learn to be more careful about hitting “submit comment”… at least until edit comment comes back.
here is the link to TMP for Hans von Spakovsky background.
janda (44)– thank you very much for that; I’m going to continue to dig in search engine archives and hope I get lucky.
I think SOMEBODY from the White House traveled with Gonzo…same SOMEBODY exchanged emails with Sampson.
selise (49) — thanks for that, just found the link to the Rules site, but you beat me to them both. Nice to know we have our choice of feeds; how are we going to liveblog them both??
edit: Ugh, I just realized I’m going to miss them BOTH. [sigh] Kid’s got a birthday party to attend. Take lots of notes, gang.
EPU’ed and now whining here. HHS is hosting a pandemic flu leadership seminar today in which their contracted pr firm – Ogilvy, is doing “live-blogging”. Please visit the HHS hosted Pandemic Leadership Flu blog and comment! HHS is abdicating pandemic response preparation and has told “the public” not to rely on it when the flu pandemic hits. They are in full Katrina mode, and the Flu Wiki bloggers – and other public health professionals and community activists are getting more worried by the minute.
The system is blinking red, and once again, HHS and the Bushco crowd are turning their heads and are being willfully ignorant. I can’t emphasize enough the importance of FDLers to watch this, comment on it and take the lead in getting the word out. A pediatric pulmonologist and founder of the Flu Wiki is a speaker today. But he doesn’t speak for the HHS, and he’s concerned about his ability to influence HHS to move off its duff.
Help!
what gets me is that political reporters consistently bemoan the fact that they “must” cover the horse-race aspect of politics — who’s ahead, who’s behind, etc. they’d really PREFER, you understand, to go out and do hard hitting investigative stuff, or policy analysis…
and here you have only one of dozens of scandals begging for coverage — the facts are already laid out, the whistleblowers available… and they do nothing.
Scarecrow @ 56
‘…mine would probably kill you.’
Yeah, I’m sayin’ stick with the exceptional commentary. I have pills for the blood pressure. Don’t know of any for the death.
My sincere apologies for being OT, but considering the topic of discussion yesterday centered at some point on Mudcat’s disdain for “leftist incivility,” I submit Dennis Miller on Harry Reid (laff track and all) from the Fox News “comedy” show 1/2 Hour News Hour.
I’ll be honest, I didn’t watch the whole thing. I heard part of it, just enough, on the Young Turkles this a.m.
Hi all…
Here’s a little something….
“The [Bush] bureaucracy is like all ruling classes in that it is ready to shut its eyes to the crudest mistakes of its leaders in the sphere of general politics, provided in return they show an unconditional fidelity in the defense of its privileges. The more alarmed becomes the mood of the new lords of the situation, the higher the value they set upon ruthlessness against the least threat to their so justly earned rights. It is from this point of view that the caste of parvenus selects its leaders. Therein lies the secret of [Bush’s] success.”
Replace Bush with Stalin and you have Trotsky’s 1937 indictment of the Soviet dictator written in The Revolution Betrayed three years before his assassination.
They just don’t care…watching the GOP apologists yesterday, listening to their speeches, gave me a knot in my stomach. This is all a game to them. They don’t expect to be out of power long enough for anyone to repair the damage they’ve done to America. Maybe they won’t get the White House in 2008…they don’t need it, they’ve infiltrated every nook and cranny of the bureaucracy and are eating away from the inside. It’s like a termite infestation – outside everything looks fine, but the structural integrity of the edifice is shot.
Anyone who voted even once for Nixon, Ford, Reagan, or either of the Bushes is responsible for this crime that has been, and continues to be, perpetrated against America.
dmg –
I actually have hope for Fineman and the usual suspects on MSNBC. I think he and others like him have been infected by a cynicism that there’s nothing they can do; that they don’t really have a role to play in keeping the system honest, other than call this like a sporting event — but they can do better. They have the ability, the smarts — they just need their butts kicked.
And I’d substitute journalism school and a course in Constitutional law for prison.
selise says
June 13th, 2007 at 5:56 am
Thank you!
I’m goin’ for the Senate hearing. Fireworks potential – high. Popcorn potential – ditto.
Or maybe I’ll just bring ‘em both up – and switch back and forth based upon the times when the R’s are questioning….
dakine01 @ 43
good points…. also with c-span covering waxman’s hearing, i expect i will be able to catch a repeat. watching the rules hearing live webcast may be my only chance to watch/record that one.
Scarecrow @ 64
who’d have figured you for an optimist? fwiw, most of the folks like fineman have already done jschool, where constitutional law — focused mainly on first amendment cases but with offshoots into other areas — is often part of the curriculum.
From Michael Leavitt, SEC HHS, he’s crowing about what pandemic prep has been done:
Do the math – 40 million doses out of 300 million population. The HHS Blog is only for five weeks – 2 weeks to go and it will be shut down.
mornin y’all. Libby’s reply is up on PACER. will take a few minutes to get it out to everyone.
gotta go see my kid graduate … 4th grade.
bbl, all.
waving my wings.
dmg
Hasn’t it basically been admitted that the WH top officials were using RNC servers illegally? Has that just gone away and been forgotten?
TiredFed @ 70
woohoo!
TiredFed – you are sooo awesome!
GeorgeSimian @ 56
If you’d like to see what the Dems said, on the record, about the Gonzales vote, check out this post from Bob Geiger — it’s pretty impressive.
scarecrow – Another great piece! The hits just keep coming here at FireDogLake!
Fineman has enough talent that he could be breaking the story of the century – BushCo’s nearly complete covert coup d’etat, with democracy as we know it hanging in the balance.
But, noooooooo!
The way the Goopers are framing this is that BushCo is being ‘attacked’ from outside the governmental system – as if an uprising by the peasants was occuring.
That’s not the case, of course – the Founding Fathers constructed a government that contained within it a remedy for peaceful change far short of armed rebellion – impeachment.
A ‘no confidence’ vote is a CLEAR SIGNAL that impeachment – the last resort, the last gasp for our Constitution and the Rule of Law – is just around the corner.
This is a crisis of the first magnitude! We’ve arrived at a Reverse-Lincoln situation – the Government is attempting to secede from US, leaving us mere serfs to choke on administrivia, state media and the interests of big money.
Impeachment is meant to reflect the unrest of the people over ‘bad’ government. But, the People have to get mad enough before the representatives can speak for them in this, the most extreme of Constitutional options to protect the basic interests and rights of the People to have ‘good’ governement.
The ‘no confidence’ vote was just the first bell ringing somewhere in the countryside.
But, it is a call…
ReddHedd, ygm. enjoy!
dmg @ 61
Ain’t that the truth. The bloggers have done all the work for them. I swanee, but they’re either the laziest bunch of pampered, flaccid pansies or they feel their careers are threatened by the blogs and therefore continue to counter the truth with the manufactured Beltway “centrist wisdom” they have spewed for so long, fearing they will soon become irrelevant.
My guess is the latter.
selise @ 72
bet you would like to see it. hehe
If this country succeeds in fighting off the Bush administration’s multifarious assaults on the Constitution, we’ll have politics to thank for getting us out of another extremely close call.
Fineman is clearly unqualified to cover his beat. He fails to address the deeper issues, describing the political maneuvering instead, and then dismisses an ongoing constitutional crisis as the only level he is capable of perceiving: politics. This is carrying self-deprecation too far, to the point where it deprecates others’ sincere efforts to save the country from a criminal rampage that is enjoying the protection of a corrupt and dishonest attorney general.
These are perilous times for those of us who have survived so far. For many here and in other countries, these times have been fatal. The Republicans have thoroughly discredited themselves as participants in a constitutional democracy. They have a lot to prove if they’re going to present themselves as representatives of the electorate rather than their patrons. Politics gives them a chance to demonstrate that they have reformed.
Politics is the nonviolent means of dealing with those who have usurped power. If politics the nonviolent means don’t work, what alternatives do we have? It’s a shame that Fineman finds this trivial. Maybe he should find a subject he can take seriously and leave the constitutional crisis to someone who cares.
damn. gotta get to work. you guys just gotta let us know how “cookies” does today!
Driveby comment:
Great post, Scarecrow! You made my morning.
It’s unfathomable how the press can miss the importance of this symbolic vote. Yes, “the rule of law is under siege on every front, and that Gonzales has become both enabler and perpetrator of that danger…” That’s why we need the wonderful bloggers at FDL who get it!
Off to a meeting.
TiredFed @ 78
not very subtle, eh?
How do we get a special prosecutor to look at Gonzo for not prosecuting war crimes? Which should be a slam dunk because unless the Congress has voted to repeal the Geneva Conventions Gonzo as our countrie’s top law man is obligated to enforce the law. Despite whatever Bush has told him if a special prosecutor won’t work vote to turn him over to interpol and the Haige. Let Bush fight it in the Supreme court the story on the news will work our way if any Republicans vote against it to protect Bush we investiagehow much THEY knew and when they knew it.
10 am – Rules and Administration
To hold hearings to examine nominations to the Federal Election Commission
Witnesses: Steven Walther, Robert Lenhard, David Mason, Hans von Spakovsky
[Hans von Spakovsky’s voter fraud background from TPM]
von Spakovsky certainly merits his very own hearing. I’d love to see the other three just sent home to come back later, so that the committee can properly take care of its most pressing business….
radiofreewill @ 75
Couldn’t agree more. And to be a reporter in this time, to watch this? It’s a terrible time for the country, but an amazing time to be a journalist — as you say, the story of the century, and they’re missing it!
What amazes me is that the media fully gets the outrage on the right about immigrants. And they’re trying to legitimize that outrage — why else give so much time to Senator Sessions — he’s the new “hero” at CNN. Sessions, a hero??? What are these people talking about. But they can’t see the heros on the left and won’t legitimize their anger at what Bush is doing to the country.
The country’s anger over the betrayal of American values by this Administration is the most underreported story. And no one who represents that anger, who can express it from deep inside without sounding crazed is allowed on the major shows.
Great post, Scarecrow. I tried to spotlight, but got the message “Post could not be extracted. Sorry for the inconvenience.” I hope spotlight worked for someone else.
things come undone @ 81
Am I wrong in thinking that the problem seems to be enforcement? I mean, there are clear cases where Gonzo and the WH have broken the laws, right?
I would love to see all the Main Stream Media talking heads try and defend Gonzo’s not prosecuting war crimes like allowing torture as “just politics”
Lindy @ 86
Thanks for letting us know about the spotlight dysfunction. We’re on it.
I’m reminded of a scene from Thirteen Days, when McNamara is in the Navy war room while the Soviet ships are steaming toward the blockade, and one of the U.S. ships did something provocative. And McNamara yells at the admiral, “Don’t you understand!? This is LANGUAGE! We are communicating with the Soviet government here!” (or something to that effect)
It drives me crazy when the “it’s just politics” canard comes out. What is politics? IT’S LANGUAGE! It’s a way of saying publicly what has been said privately, but was ignored. It’s a swat upside the head to those who need it. Yes, it’s kabuki. But even kabuki has a purpose. All this posturing serves to demonstrate to the president just how weak his support in Congress really his, how bad the opinion is of Gonzo, how catastrophically bad this whole thing is for the Justice Department.
If it helps one iota to get us closer to dumping Gonzo, it’s worth it.
TiredFed @ 80
shoot. if you’re not here… i’ll do the honors for you.
say thank you to TiredFed! (pdf) – for sharing libby’s reply from PACER.
Gonzo is the firewall…. review why Watergate finally was investigated…..
AG resigned and the Senate demanded a special prosecutor prior to any confirmation hearings. Cheney et al lived that history, they are preventing it being repeated.
katymine @ 90
Spot on.
Right on. The latest document dump gives me some hope too.
BTW. IMHO Keith Olbermann has had some really crappy commentators who have that smugness of DC “insider,” but sound hopelessly myopic. Howard fineman is iffy, either really bad or just o.k. There are a few commentators on his show that are even worse. KO needs more Rachel Maddow and Sam Seder.
mui @ 95
KO is probably required to have the majority of “journos” on his show come from WaPo0, Newsweek, and NBC due to the link between them all.
BuggyQ @ 89
If it gets us one step closer to dumping Bush, it’s worth it.
If you can ’see’ what’s happening in the ‘dumb show’ at the beginning of Hamlet – the rest of the play is only the unfolding embellishment.
no confidence – the vote with no voice
jayt @ 20
Things is, isn’t he getting the same whether he is on Tweety or KO? Isn’t he the resident political analyst at NBC?
dakine01 @ 95
Yes, that’s exactly it. Although I’d sure love to see more of the latter. You’d get a heckuva lot more substance AND charm.
dakine01 @ 94
That’s really unfortunate because it extends “commercial time” (already too much), in my view. I don’t exactly run too the tv to hear the words of wisdom of Fineman for the most part.
Not that most folks here will care but I though this was intersting:
TiredFed — Thanks. Am now trying to balance a Libby read and the upcoming Doan testimony. Would you guys rather have liveblogging on Doan or analysis on the Libby response to the Team Fitz brief. (It’s a snotty one, too. *g*) Because I cannot do twenty things at once this morning — not humanly possible, unfortunately, unless someone has perfected cloning.
selise @ 48
Lurita! Excellant.
GeorgeSimian @86 We signed the Geneva Convetions no torture no humilating solders (abu graid) just because Bush calls them “enemy combatants ” or say that they don’t wear a uniform and therefore are not covered (I’m not sure on that point) does not mean they are not human beings. Jose Padillla however is a citizen and he should have all the rights apply to him. Sending prisoners to be interogated by friendly countries that allow torture and the CIA kiddnapping that Italian Citizen and taking him to another country to be tortured seems to be an attempt to get AROUND the laws and not torture him in America. However we did have custody and control of him even if he was in another country so I think we HAVE Gonzo! If not there is always illegal wiretapping. Also anything that happens in Iraq thats a war crime should get Gonzo in trouble we run the country the Iraqs can’t do anything like collect taxes or police the streets like a real government can without our help. Iraq is only an idependent country as a legal fiction its Gonzo’s job to make sure the Geneva Conventions an international law are followed maybe the miltary has their own courts. But Blackwater Mercs who are Americans are definitly Gonzo’s problem unless he wants to turn them over to the Iraq’s for justice.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 101
Umm both *g*
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but, excluding Specter, aren’t the other six Republicans who voted against Gonzales up for re-election in 2008? I hate to be this cynical, but I can’t help but thinking it’s just a political CYA.
BuggyQ @ 90
Yes.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 97
I read somewhere about NBC/MSNBC (and CNN?) having “X” number of journalists or commentators essentially on retainer to be available whenever needed. So, presumably, there is pressure on the hosts to use those persons in order that the network gets its money’s worth.
OTOH, I seem to recall a blogger – what was her name – initials were JH – on KO. And Rachel Maddow has popped up occasionally too, so there does seem to be some discetion. More of that, please.
And no, I don’t think that Fineman speaks consistently, I think he, perhaps more than anyone else, tailors his message to the host of the moment.
IMHO, you’re missing the point, as was Glenn Greenwald when he wrote:
Nonsense. These guys don’t believe a word of the crap they write, anymore than a trial lawyer believes his client is innocent or actors really hate their colleagues who play bad guys.
The beltway boys are propagandists, and like all professional hit men, they take pride in their work on behalf of their client. But they have no illusions in the rightness of their client’s cause, nor do they really believe that their victim “deserves to die.” The problem is not that there are so many propagandists inside the beltway. Rather the problem is that so many people believe that they are something else.
Perhaps we should help people we should help people understand this by commissioning an annual Josef Goebbles award for the beltway pundit who best serves an ignoble cause in the pages of WaPo and/or NYT. And there should be lots of honorable mentions, runners up, and special categories. For example, we could give a big-lie award to the pundit who most frequently penned the words “no underlying crime.” There’d be a lot of entries in that category.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 101
i vote for whatever interests you the most…
very much appreciate everything you do christy!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 101
Analyze Libby and tivo Doan. Look for some other kind volunteers to live Doan and also the other hearing.
Yo, volunteer livebloggers? Dakine, radio, anyone?
Thunderbird @ 106
Yes, but the meaning is that Republicans do not believe they can be reelected by enabling the Bush/Gonzales assault on the law. It’s not cynical to point that out.
“groupthink” Fineman and many other MSM journalist are an integral part of the “just politics” wheels turning.
Can folks share their opinions about why they think McNulty resigned if Gonzales, Goodling and Sampson by passed him during their antics?
How does McNulty’s resignation effect the A*P*C trial (that has been delayed for the 6th time)?
Is this why McNulty was taken out?
Is taking McNulty out of the A*P*C/Rosen espionage trial comparable to if Fitz had been taken out of during the Libby investigation/trial?
selise @ 48
Not surprisingly, von Spakovsky delivered once at the Justice Department. As the former voting section attorneys argue in their letter, von Spakovsky attempted to force widespread purging of voter rolls based on a very restrictive reading of election law (which von Spakovsky knew inside and out, since he helped draft the Help America Vote Act). “For example,” the lawyers write, “in one letter, he advocated for a policy keeping eligible citizens off the voter rolls for typos and other mistakes by election officials.”
Sounds like a lot going on.
Also, there were 7 Senators who voted “abstain.” And two absent. Who were the abstains?
radiofreewill @ 74
indeed — i wish i had the
ability to say as much, in so
relatively-few, words.
and, kudos, scarecrow!
i hope you won’t mind that i
set two paragraphs of it — under
the banner “scarcrow’s steely
talons shred howard fineman’s
tony-snow-stenography. . .”
he he! spot-on!
How about I start with Doan and we see if there are going to be fireworks or not. If not, I’ll move on to Libby and you guys can take over in the comments?
A free press is protected by the Constitution. In the old days, newspapers and magazines and even television would stand up and defend all aspects of the Constitution because they understood that if internal enemies created cracks in its foundation, the freedom under which the press operates is at risk.
Al Martinez, a columnist of 35 years at the L.A. Times, who was fired last week for budgetary reasons (and then partially reinstated when readers were pissed off) gave hints of what is going on in an local NPR interview. He said that the 70s were the heyday of reporting because there was so much competition to write a good story, so the reporting was very good. Today, reporters are competing just to keep their jobs.
This suggests that American news reporting today could be compared to cars produced by Ford, GM, and Chrysler. The drive for short term profits for shareholders ends up killing the product.
CHS –Christy Hardin Smith @ 116
agreed!
we’d LOVE that!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 102
FWIW — The firedogs can live-blog the hearings while you dissect the legal filings. JMO.
CHS
I’m with Selise, you gotta do what you wanna do. I actually can watch c-span 3, but for the folks who are (supposed to be) working, maybe the live-blogging would be preferable.
Thanks to Tiredfed for the link.
Ach! Did I just read that Libby’s response is that Fitzgerald is an inferior officer? Oh, that’s not a superior response.
We can always smack down the response later.
As always, thanks for all of your hard work.
BTW, in re: to cloning you, do you remember that old Streisand song, I wish I had the perfect twin, one to go out as I came in?
The no confidence vote was a political stunt. The democrats had seemingly endless hearings and could have begun impeachment proceedings after finding Gonzales’ actions flagrantly offensive. Did they? No. Instead of trying to actually solve a problem, the dems played politics! Did they actually think most repubs would cooperate with a no confidence vote? The fault lies not with the ultra partisan repubs who wouldn’t play the democrats’ game and see everything as a win/lose situation; but rather with the dems. While they had the momentum, they had the opportunity to do something constructive other than use a stunt. They could have begun impeachment proceedings.
selise @ 48
Thanks Selise
Scarecrow @ 111
Perhaps only those six believe it to be the case. There are NUMEROUS Republicans up for re-election in 2008 (Huckleberry Graham and James Inhofe just to name two), who voted to back Gonzales. Maybe they feel they’re safe, and have decided not to hold this administration accountable.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 116
excellent!
and i will try to record the audio of Hans von Spakovsky’s FEC nomination hearing
Christy Hardin Smith @ 116
Just for the record, weren’t most of the folks referenced in the first footnote convicted felons who wound up serving their entire snetences (excepting maybe Quatrone)?
“Any change is resisted because bureaucrats have a vested interest in the chaos in which they exist.”
Richard M. Nixon
Scarecrow @ 119
Doan! A Libby overview can be done later if you have the time!
nolo @ 116
Send it out. But steely talons? Sounds like something from a John Ashcroft song. I wear gloves.
selise @ 124
Committee on Rules and Administration
Members.
Dianne Feinstein, CA
Chairman Robert Bennett, UT
Ranking Member
Robert C. Byrd
Ted Stevens
Daniel K. Inouye
Mitch McConnell
Christopher J. Dodd
Thad Cochran
Charles E. Schumer
Trent Lott
Richard J. Durbin
Kay Bailey Hutchison
E. Benjamin Nelson
C. Saxby Chambliss
Harry Reid
Chuck Hagel
Patty Murray
Lamar Alexander
Mark L. Pryor
That’s quite a mix.
Interesting (to me anyway) that the lead-up to the Doan hearing is a bio talk on Benedict Arnold…
Did you all hear that?
Naw, me either!
mui @ 130
mui,
see my #45 breaks them out by party. Expect the Rethugs to be very protective of Hans as most of them are southern. Expect Schumer and DiFi to be displaying righteous anger as they are Judiciary as well and will set him up for later k*ll be Leahy and Whitehouse.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 116
Makes sense to me – the documents aren’t going anywhere – but the testimony is kinda time limited.
Thunderbird @ 123
There are plenty of Republicans who have had the crap scared out of them by the radicals in this administration. Even if they do not say it out loud1
Rules committee up and going
Are they talking yet I do not have sound
jayt @ 136
Linkie Please???
When Howard Fineman decided to become a journalist, did he envision that having to bend over backwards like a limbo dancer was an essentail part of the job?
So why is he now so eager to dance under the Limbaugh stick? Why is he repeating GOP talking points in hopes ol’ Rush won’t find something to whine about in the inch his shoulders are off the floor?
I suspect that he had some dreams of bringing the people the Truth, but now he’s lambasting the truthtellers for engaging in “politics.”
And in today’s edition of the Daily DOJ Outrage:
The SG’s office rules in favor of Treasury (and big business), and against the SEC (and investors including public employee pension plans), declining to file an amicus brief in the Supreme Court in the Stoneridge case.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..c-business
(SCOTUSblog has links to additional coverage)
The issue in the case is whether entities that facilitate securities fraud but do not profit directly from it (e.g., banks) can be liable under the 33 and 34 Acts. If the Supremes rule against plaintiffs in this case, the Enron and Parmalat civil cases are effectively dead.
To be fair, there are intellectually respectable arguments in favor of the Treasury position. But IMO the SG’s office made the wrong call here. Yet another example of a Republic regime knowing at all times which side its bread is buttered on.
GeorgeSimian @ 23
And that is why Fineman is actually correct: it IS just politics. Even if the “no confidence” vote had passed, it was toothless and couldn’t force the pweznit to do anything. He would have ignored it (as would have been his right). It’s like the contortions over the iraq vote: meant to look like they’re doing something when they’re not.
It’s all theatre: the democrats, for whatever reason, are refusing to do what they were elected to do, and instead are concentrating mightily on acting out to make it appear they are doing what they’re elected to do. Wasted time, energy, and money.
Fern @ 138
,/i>
See selise post @48.
senate rules committee –
difi presiding.
dakine01 @ 133
Hmmm. Ok. *smacks head*
dakine01 @ 133
Especially watch Chambliss. He’s from GA, where Spakovsky pushed the voter ID law.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 116
Didn’t the fireworks come at the end of Goodling?
Hank starting his statement on CSpaan 3
Wax: Did ms doan testify truthfully in first hearing? did she try to intimidate and interfere with other witnesses?
kathleen @ 112
McNulty probably was in the loop or there is another scandal brewing we don’t know about yet? People quit jobs when they know their underlings are bypassing them because its embarrasing. He could have quit at any time and made more money in the private sector but he resigns now just as this story is breaking?Why wait so long as a lawyer he had to know you don’t bypass people unless their incompetent, you want their job and are trying to squeeze them out, or the boss is having the flunkies do something illegal and the boss is not sure he can trust you. For any of these reasons any sane person would quit. McNulty quiting will probably get him out of washington and slow down that trial although with all the trouble the Justice Dept is in I’m sure the trial will be delayed even longer. Preparing to testify for Congress I’m sure is grounds for a continuence.
As part of 1st hearing, six willingly gave testimony and desposition on Scott Jennings meeting hi-liting 20 vulnerable dems for ‘08. All six agreed that Ms Doan asked how they could help repubs All were repubs who knew that they could be in trouble for testifying but all understood the hatch act violation.
Keith Olbermann can get more candor out of Fineman, and the other talking heads by the way he asks a question. But he rarely will go mano a mano with any guest. I think he relies on the fact that his audience is blog savy and can fill in their own blanks. I agree that the shelf life on his righty talking heads list has expired.
dakine01 @ 125
Funny thing, was scanning the comments and saw that last name, which happens to be mine (btw, there are 2 t’s)
And no we’re not related as far as I know. I got a call from a WSJ reporter once who was digging for dirt on Frank Quattrone.
Funniest conversation I’ve ever had with anyone. This airhead said “well you’re in the southside of Philadelphia, and that’s where he’s from originally.”
I laughed. There is no southside in Philadelphia. It’s south Philly.
Oh, pooh, this Doan hearing is just pure politics!
burnspbesq @ 140
The financial houses were fully aware that Enron accounting schemes were suspect, but Enron was such a huge customer they didn’t want to challenge them and risk losing the business. Their complicity, along with Anderson’s, helped perpetuate Enron’s fraud on investors — and for that, the investors should be allowed to sue. It’s one of the means by which the corporate world polices itself — and the SEC as regulator should fully support that. It is a disgrace that the DoJ refuses to allow that.
if anyone is wondering, trying to watch and listen to both is not easy.
The thing I found most maddening about the no-confidence vote was the endless Republican talk about “we’re wasting time on this when we have important matters to get to,” dutifully parroted by so many of the reporters.
Hey, idiots, what exactly is more important than having a functioning Justice Department? Especially when you’re constantly fearmongering about the threat of terrorism, and it’s been repeatedly shown even by this dysfunctional administration that law enforcement, not military force, is our best defense against it?
(And that’s not even considering the crap that these same Republicans “wasted” most of their time on when they were in the majority — flag-burning amendment, anyone?)
Breaking @ CNN -
Fmr. WH political director Sara Taylor to be subpoenaed.
In written testimony, Ms Doan thought her remarks were confidential and blames OSC for breaking her privacy. She refused to provide personal employment records but OSC reviewed and all employees who testified had satis factory records. She didn’t just disparage employees, she testified under oath that until employees improved, they would get no promotions, bonuses, rewards. She feels that retailiation is fine as long as done in secret. That ain’t happenin while I’m in charge of this committee Whistle blower protection act is why they have rights
Wow, creepy Stepford Wife smile whilst being dressed down.
Fresh Doan liveblogging thread for everyone.
brendancalling @ 141
I don’t agree with this. Creating situations that call attention to the outrages and force elected officials to tell us where they stand is not a waste of time. We have a severely dysfunctional system, and it has to be nursed/encourage/embarrassed back to health through all available means. The no-confidence tactic was a step towards impeachment, but it becomes a “waste of time” only if we allow oursevles and the media to mischaracterize it as such.
BREAKING MSNBC: Subpoena issued for Harriet Miers
149 Things come undone. Thanks for answering some of my questions I would like to discuss this later with you.
One of the questions is.
Is taking McNulty out of the A*P*C espionage trial as big as it would have been if Fitz had been taken out of the Libby investigation/trial? And by taking out McNulty does that completely undermine that investigation/trial?
No need to answer now!
thanks scarecrow-
someone posted this early yesterday-h/t to them. and saw a few others posted it, too…….is worth posting again.
is buried in the tpm post that you linked to.
letter to feinstein from former doj civil rights employees……about spakovsky.
wanted people to see it. is pretty amazing they wrote it, and soooo disgusting on what went on there under spakovsky.
blew my brain when i read it.
http://www.campaignlegalcenter.org/press-2667.html
twolf1 @ 162
Did they dot the i’s with hearts?
Great post, Scarecrow.
Fineman is a putz and Matthews a screeching banshee, both of whom I stopped taking seriously a long time ago. Both are deeply imbued in the “conventional wisdom” way of looking at the world, which is made up of one part highly-paid comfort, one part “what do my colleagues say about this,” one part fear of losing their jobs, and one part a double standard yardstick that increases or decreases the seriousness of something depending on if the party at fault is a Democrat (oh, horrors!) or a Republican (it’s no big deal).
In short, the journalism profession is just as corrupt, and as much a part of the problem, as the politicians they cover.
Scarecrow @ 161
I don’t think it’s a waste of time either. I think it was a good idea. I just get tired of people blaming the media when it was the Republicans who blocked this vote, and then tried to spin it. They’re not fooling anybody with their doublespeak. Onward – enforce those subpoenaes. Esp, the paper trail.
Scarecrow @ 128
phew! talons would make you extra scary
Rayne @ 58
If it helps, I seem to recall a timeline in a link in a comment for a posting either of Iglesias from the Albuquerque Journal (could have been the Santa Fe NewMexican) on or about the time the USAs were first before Congress. One of the New Mexican commenters linked and I seem to recall Gonzales and Rove were together. Sorry I can’t be more specific. I hope it helps
Scarecrow @ 128
lol! take the gloves, off baby!
and you did. . . more than that. . .
nah — you were flyin’ — the real
crow — reference here, one brandon
lee — and i quickly snagged this
fan-video, to give you a sense of
his demi-gothic visage. . .
anyone who says “I do not recall” that many times is either a liar or incompetent… he needs to be sacked…
I can’t get through all the comments but if anyone has said that it’s “just politics” that only SEVEN Republicans owned up to the horrendous leadership of DOJ provided by AGAG, I agree. If they were men and women of character, they would look beyond the party lable to objectively consider the facts, the testimony and the evidence. The non-SEVEN are just playing politics and providing smoke for corruption of what used to be one of the government’s leading departments.
Durbin bringing up article written under name “publius” on George voter ID by Spakovsky. He asked did Spak get clearance.
Spak: Sure I did. And I stand by contents as well.
Durbin: Why did you remove article from FEC website.
Spak: I was no longer working on these kind of issues. The controversy from those darned newspapers was interfering with the work.
Durbin: ( Digging into the travesty of Georgia ID)
kathleen @ 163
Hope you see this Kathleen I’ll be going to sleep soon my Google research seems to indicate that You are on top of this story! Wayne Madesen is too but he was involved in a minor scandal I can’t recall what exactly but I don’t trust his reporting the other blogs were sparse on information too. As for your first question No McNulty is a Bushie and Fitz is the meanest guy you don’t want investigating you. Either a lower level person will take this case still a loyal Bushie or McNulty’s replacment will who will also be a loyal Bushie. Unless Congress forces some changes in the Justice Dept but what are the odds so no change. I believe you said 6 continuences? I think its safe to infer the case is bull but Bush does not want the embarassment of loosing this case. So expect delay just look at how long Jose Padilla’s case has been strung out. Now by undermine this case given its poltical nature I don’t think its going to be thrown out of court it will go to trial. I’m betting the government will lose because nobody gets 6 continuences without Clout or if they think they can win. The Government will try and file an Appeal on what grounds well, they will find something. In that court are the Appeals judges Bushies is the question to ask. Now if Bush is really scared and the Appeal goes the wrong way he can call in a favor from the Supreme Court and ask them to review the Appeals Court Decision. Now then how much does Bush have to hide do you have any idea WHICH dominoes stand or fall on this case who benefits, who is hurt where does this lead. Remember politics is in control of the Dept of Justice now, the Rule of Law ehh not so much. Its politics not the merits of the case I feel you have to evaluate. I hope I was helpful and any background on this case you have would be welcome I’m intrigued! Oh a try emailing Christy at the top of the posts should be the word CONTACT click it and you should get Christy, Jane etc Christy being a lawyer should point you in the right direction if she doesn’t already know.
Kathleen who asked for the Continuences and why if the Defense did and the Judge granted them then the Government well has a bad case and the Judge thinks the government is doing something wrong. In which case the judge is already leaning toward the Defense. If it was the Prosecution then the Judge is a Bushie and is helping stall the case. bye!
The link between the failed Scooter libby case,on behalf on his legal team, and the Avenue Bush has taken with the Gonzales thing is strikingly similar. The point that amazes most of us as observers is how successful Bush is at winning his case. The reality of the political uninvolvement of most of the American public is frightening(preaching to the choir here). There is a 30% faction in this country that would vote Bush in for another four terms no matter what – and I mean no matter what- he does. (Presently I live in a state that I know this to be the case). They certainly don’t care if his Attorney General is firing democrats. The very distant light at the end of a very dark tunnel was the jury in Scooter libby’s case.
Hey Scarecrow, great post, thank you. Sorry, I’m still catching up, stuck in EPU Land.
Anyway, if I hear “it’s political” or “it’s just politics” I’ll. just. explode?
If our public officials cannot adequately, fairly and legally do their duty, then GOVERNMENT kicks in. It’s just governing. It’s called OVERSIGHT. It’s too bad this administration cannot be trusted even by its own party and requires so much of it.
Apologies for the Spotlight problems. All is better now.
As always the Demcrats fail to frame the issue and echo it until it is engrained in the public.
For example, every democrat should say these 3 words to press everyday. WE WANT ANSWERS.
That should be the first words they utter when criticized or interviewed regarding ANY INVESTIGATION.
Q: Is this… investigation is a political stunt?
A: WE WANT ANSWERS, we want answers to issues of public interest today, tommorrow, and beyond. Any political gains as a result of obtaining the truth is not of our making, but by those seeking to place the truth beyond the reach of the public. Let us find the facts, truths, and answers and let the public decide whether or not it was done in our best interest or in theirs.
Q: Some say this … investigation is pointless and congress should be looking forward, do you think their right?
A: WE WANT ANSWERS, the truth is not pointless and getting to the truth in a democracy has the greatest of all importance because without it the people have no power over their government. We cannot plot a course forward without cold hard facts under our feet. Finding answers is moving forward. We want answers.
Having watched Fineman and Matthews in many discussions on many topics over the years, both can be counted on to largely misrepresent the issue at hand. Matthews because he gushes or blusters based upon which way the prevailing winds blow, and Fineman because he softens every issue he touches. So both are pretty worthless when it comes to questioning for, or telling, the hard truths.
Best as I can tell, the vast majority of the reporters, commentators, pundits, and pretty faces we see on the network and cable news shows are all made up of essentially the same stuff:
- one part smugly comfortable highly-paid dream job
- one part secret terror at losing comfortable highly-paid dream job
- one part conventional wisdom “what do my colleagues think about this issue?” questioning methodology
- one part sliding-scale judgemental yardstick, e.g., if the subject of a questionable action is a Democrat or Liberal, outrage ratchets up (oh, the horror!); if the subject is a Conservative or Republican the outrage ratchets down (no issue here, keep moving)
The purpose of these reporters, commentators, pundits, and pretty faces is to fill air time and stay safely within the boundaries of conventional wisdom. Period.
In sum, don’t count on the MSM to be the protectors of American Democracy. Sex and hairdos they can handle, but Consititutional erosion and the slow growth of American fasciscm simply won’t light the bulb, even when it’s glaringly in front of their eyes every single day.
Illegal war, torture, unauthorized wiretapping and spying, lies, disregard for long-established traditions and protections, corruption, manipulation of the voting system, curtailment of voting rights, the abuses of one-party rule, the partisanship of justice….. these barely scratch the surface of what is taking place in American government today. Yet 2 plus 2 will never = 4, because it’s not their job to be comprehensive and make sense of the larger picture.
In the truest sense, we no longer have a functioning free press. At least in the way it is practiced in the networks and the cable news. We have courtiers instead. In the blogs, in the newspapers, there are still courageous and independent voices there. But in the MSM/TV world, fergetaboutit….. these people are nothing but water carriers for conventional wisdom and the comfort of their six-figure careers.
As Stephen Colbert said at last year’s Washington Correspondants dinner, the mainstream press knows exactly the way it works: the White House decides an issue, the Press Office announces the decision, and the MSM types up the press release. Decide, announce, type.
It’s what passes for a “free” press in the 21st Century.