A little more Monk — here is the Thelonious Monk Quartet playing Round Midnight (Norway, 1966).
Here’s a link to the Team Fitz brief. (PDF) (H/T to TiredFed.)
The first issue of contention that Team Libby put forth has to do with the Special Counsel appointment for Patrick Fitzgerald. As I said in Part I, this has already been argued, briefed, and shot down in a thorough response from Judge Walton prior to Libby ever going to trial. To argue that this is a substantive issue likely to hand Libby a ripe ground for appeal issimply wishful thinking. Especially when you consider it in the context of Morrison (429 F.Supp 2d at 45):
The integrity of the rule of law, which is a core ingredient of the American system of government, is challenged to the greatest degree when high-level officials come under suspician for violating the law. And a criminal investigation of any individual, prominant or not, for suspected violations of law must be beyond reproach to preserve respect for the fairness of our system of justice. There must therefore be a process by which the perception of fairness withstands scrutiny of the American public when prosecution authority is called upon to investigate public officials. Creating that perception of fairness obviously starts with those who are charged with the responsibility of conducting the investigations.
The fact of the matter is that there was some level of supervision of Fitzgerald, that he was subject to at will termination had the DOJ or the President of the United States chosen to go that route, and that he was restricted in his purview of the case to investigate only those matters which specifically related to the express charge given to him in investigating the issues surrounding the outing of a covert CIA agent by members of her own government.
That Mr. Libby repeatedly lied to federal agents and to the grand jury while under oath and giving testimony was Mr. Libby’s own choice. He must now face the consequences of his poor choice, just as all other criminal defendants caught in a web of their own lies must face the very same consequences. Every single day, in courtrooms all over this nation of ours, lying defendants who have gotten caught at it face the music of their own making — why, pray tell, should I. Lewis Libby be any different? Because he has powerful friends? Because he hadn’t been caught breaking the law previously?
I sat in the courtroom and listened to the tape of Libby’s testimony before the Grand Jury play out for the jury during the opening statements. It was clear, even from that first day of trial, that the backtracking, the hemming and hawing, the uncertainty, and the factually unsupportable contradictory statements that came tripping out of Libby’s mouth that he was not being well and truly honest with the grand jury. And listening to that tape, watching Libby’s nervous handwringing under the lip of the counsel table, watching the trial jury’s eyes on him as he tried to maintain a mask of calm despite the tick of a vein popping out on his left temple, it became clearer and clearer to me that Libby was more than aware of all of this.
One or two misstatements could be a mistake, a simple error — but repeated ones, deliberately told and embellished, on multiple occasions even after having an oath administered to you in court, when you are a lawyer who has worked on perjury cases for your own clients and are well aware of the penalties and risks involved in such unlawful behavior all the while holding a high-level office and breaching the public’s trust and national security guidelines in the process? That is unforgiveable in my mind. And for what? Because Dick Cheney said so? No excuses. You do the crime, you do the time — just like everyone else.
Which made the amicus brief filed this past week all the more appalling in my mind. And Bonamici takes the brief writers to task in footnote 11, pp. 13-14.
…The gist of the amici’s argument is that removeability alone is not sufficient. That ignores this Court’s analysis of the other limitations on the Special Counsel, Justice Scalia’s dissent in Morrison stating that removal at will of the Independent Counsel would have changed the outcome, and the Edmond court’s conclusion that removal is “a powerful tool for control.” Thus, the amici have not established that there is a substantial question as defined by 18 USC 3143(b).
I’d say that is a pretty clear answer to the Free Scooter Look At Our Impressive Credentials Brigade, wouldn’t you?
The next issue addressed deals with the decision not to allow testimony from a memory expert that defense counsel proposed. Readers will no doubt recall the dismantling of the memory expert that Pat Fitzgerald performed during a thorough cross-examination in the Daubert hearing prior to trial. Just for fun, let’s revisit that for just a moment:
…Fitzgerald’s blistering, nearly three-hour, questioning of Loftus caused her to admit that some of her own findings about what juries know about memory were faulty and that some of her own research may have been flawed. Quoting from her own book “Witness for the Defense,” Fitzgerald also confronted Loftus about how she might sway a jury if called to testify at trial. She had written that, “using my arsenal of subtle psychological tools” Loftus could make an impression on a jury about her perception about guilt or innocence.Libby lawyer John Kline put Loftus on the stand to explain to Judge Reggie Walton – who must decide on whether to admit Bjork – that Loftus’s 2006 study, based on a survey of 1000 D.C. jurors, found that most of those surveyed thought that memory could be likened to a “tape recorder.” The perception the mind can remember like a recording device is not true according to some memory experts.
But Fitzgerald pointed out in his cross-examination that the study itself may have been skewed. Loftus admitted on the stand, after being picked apart by details from her own works, that the answers to some of the questions posed to jurors in the study actually prove exactly the opposite – that jurors can in fact use common sense to ascertain the effects of memory on witness testimony.
I cannot begin to tell you how difficult it is to trip up an expert witness on the stand, especially when you are doing cross-examination of someone who is considered to be a top expert in the field and who has had courtroom experience in prior cases for similar research material….So now I’m asking myself: who on Team Libby was assigned to read this particular expert witness’ information, do her hearing preparation, and thought, in their wildest dreams, that Patrick Fitzgerald seemed like the sort of fella that didn’t do all of his homework and then some? Because, as I have said before, the devil is in the footnotes — and Pat Fitzgerald evidently learned that lesson as well.
Fitzgerald challenged the validity of memory research. Citing footnotes in her publications, presenting conflicting statements and questioning her methodology, Fitzgerald got Loftus to acknowledge that a statement in one of her research papers was taken out of context and that a figure in one of her books was incorrect.
Brilliant. Just brilliant. That mathematics major from Amherst still comes in handy, I see.
It is Walton’s decision to bar testimony from a memory expert that Team Libby now contests again. But Walton’s opinion on the issue was not only through, but excrutiatingly so — detailed not just in fact basis, but also in legal grounding for each and every element of the decision. That is going to be one tough issue to appeal, in my opinion. And Bonamici agrees:
As the case law relied upon by the Court (see 461 F.Supp. 2d at 7) makes clear, expert testimony regarding matters that are already familiar to the jury is not helpful and, thus, not admissible.
In other words, just because the jury saw Libby as a liar, that doesn’t get you a do-over with a memory expert who was already deemed to be superfluous, not helpful, and likely to cause far more prejudice than to be able to give probative, useful testimony by a judge who extensively examined this question. And, further, as grounds for appeal? This one is not likely to fly.
Further, Judge Walton built in a number of instructions — both cautionary ones to the jury during the course of the trial when testimony warranted such instruction, as well as at close of trial prior to deliberations. That the jury found Mr. Libby less believeable than the others who testified, and found his excuses for his conduct thin and lacking reflects not on the lack of a memory expert but, instead, on the paucity of Libby’s justifications for his lawbreaking behavior.
The jury got this one right, and no amount of stamping one’s legal foot and demanding a do-over changes that fact — Libby’s hemming and stammering and long, weird pauses during grand jury testimony alone sounded like what The Peanut does when she is caught with her hand in the candy jar. And the jurors clearly got that message, loud and clear, even if Libby’s supporters don’t want to believe it.
The next issue deals with CIPA hearings and the detailed process that the Court took everyone through, as required by law, to determine admissibility or lack thereof of the vast array of documents that Team Libby was trying to greymail into the case for their own purposes — whether to confuse the jury or force a dismissal on greymail grounds, they will have to answer to themselves, but it was a vast array of documents, each of which had to be combed through individually by a team of lawyers from both sides fo the case, the CIA and other federal agencies over a period of months.
As to the issues advanced by Team Libby on this, the complaints boil down to three areas of contention: (1) that the substitutions proffered by the government were inadequate; (2) that the Judge should have admitted the Statement Admitting Relevant Facts in its entirety at trial; and (3) that the defendant’s CIA briefers should have been able to testify in more detail about scary national security matters in which the defendant was involved, among other things. All of these issues were addressed repeatedly by Judge Walton on the record during trial, during testimony of witnesses, during cross-examination especially of CIA personnel when Team Libby managed to wedge in a lot of material that the judge had previously ruled inadmissible — so the gripe comes down to wanting to have the original documents in front of the jury rather than giving them the information in testimonial and exhibit format, as they received it.
Frankly, that’s also a bit weak as an argument, given the enormous volume of national security information that Team Libby managed to repeat ad nauseum in front of the jury. (Just go back and read through the liveblog transcripts of the Craig Schmall testimony alone to see what I mean.) Most of this hinges on evidentiary rulings questions which will be reviewed by an appeals court only for abuse of discretion questions — and those are truly not likely to be found, based on everything I saw at trial and how carefully laid out Judge Walton’s rationale for his rulings was made on the record and in the brief on rulings that he submitted following trial.
Finally, the issue of Andrea Mitchell’s exclusion for testimony rears it’s ugly head again. Judge Walton was quite clear on the record that calling Ms. Mitchell was a tactical attempt of the defense to impeach her based on a prior out-of-court statement that was deemed to be a maneuver designed to prejudice the jury against a defense witness based on a statement that had little to no probative value. (In other words, the Judge thought Mitchell was essentially talking out of her ass, but wasn’t willing to turn his trial court into a media circus just to embarass her or Tim Russert when the testimony about the statement itself had little probative value as to Scooter Libby’s lying or not. It made Mitchell look bad, sure, but that was it — and that, in and of itself, is no reason to call a witness.) In short, speculation does not grounds for appeal make.
Team Fitz concludes by asking that Libby go to jail, directly to jail, do not pass go, do not collect…well, let’s just say that a pardon wouldn’t be welcomed by anyone who respects the rule of law.
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hi Christy
I’m Back!
I’m just crossing my fingers that we’re back in a world where you can spin PR but you can’t spin the law.
Thanks Christy!
Error (or comedy?):
The Fitz Team brief links to TBogg.
OT
Boy, I hate to keep beating up on Michael Gordon but he does seem to ask for it. In an article in today’s NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06…..ref=slogin
Gordon describes a meeting between CENTCOM commander Adm. Fallon and Iraqi Prime Minister al Maliki at which Gordon was present. Gordon relates how Fallon pressed for signs of progress before the “surge” has to be justified before the Congress as early as July but certainly by September. To be fair, Gordon does a fair job relating how Fallon and Maliki appeared to be talking past each other.
Where Gordon goes off the rails is in his depiction of Fallon’s focus on the petroleum law “assuming it was closest to completion”. The petroleum law is a US obsession. Fallon hoped it might be finished by July so it could be used to mollify Congress. Gordon never brings up the parliamentary vacation which is scheduled to begin July 1 and would effectively derail this timetable. Nor does he point out that such a law would be at best largely symbolic. Even if passed and there are lots of questions that it will be, it would have no effect on petroleum production in Iraq for years if ever. And if forced down the throats of the Kurds and the Sunnis, it would work against national reconciliation, not for it. It is a law that has less to do with Iraqis and more to do with us, or at least the oil companies.
Two initiatives that would have near term real world consequences are rolling back the de-Baathification law and passage of a law for the holding of local and provincial elections. In some mixed provinces, Sunnis boycotted previous elections ceding control to Shias. New elections would reverse these results. Shia have shown little interest in moving on either of these issues. Gordon mentions neither of these and they were apparently not brought up in the Fallon-Maliki discussions.
This is the problem that I have so often with Gordon. He never seems to see the forest for the trees. He accepts uncritically what he is told by the powers that be. He doesn’t factor in missing or passed over elements (the parliamentary vacation, rescinding de-Baathification, and the election law). And he doesn’t draw the obvious conclusion. The “surge” was premised on a quick political settlement and no such settlement is in sight or even in the works. The “surge” has had no positive effect either in military or political terms, the two areas it was meant to address. The military surge is failing. The political surge never began.
Gordon too giddy that he is traveling with the big boys like Fallon and cognizant of the fact he would not be invited along with them if he were to, oh say, draw inconvenient conclusions is only too happy to avoid anything that smacks of insightful reporting.
So when all of the “connected at their roots” folks whine does it do the case more harm or good? The common folk know that if you “whine” too much you will get slamed in the courts.
Gnome de Plume @ 2
Greetings!
Christy!!!
JGabriel — Oops, sorry about that. Just fixed the link. Had been updating my Mudcat post from this morning with the TBogg link as well.
It takes a long time to catch up even after a few days! Has Betsy returned to the living? She was busy getting ready for a big event this past weekend, too.
Is that the same Micheal Gordon who reported the false intelligence reports prior to the invasion with Judy “I am fucking right” Miller?
Gnome de Plume @ 10
Sounds like she survived…but I’ll bet she’s happy to have her home to herself again.
Christy writes:
But, but, but, DO-overs is a divine right of the right-wing and the inside beltway kewl kidz! Why if it weren’t for do-overs, they might have to live and work and follow the same rules as all those unwashed heathens in fly-over country and places that don’t get good CEE-gars and whiskey…
Thanks as ever, Christy, for explaining these legal issues to those of us non-lawyers.
Gawd, even if Libby serves the entire term of jailtime that’s been handed down to him, he’s still getting off pretty damned lightly. Isn’t he? The man commits what amounts to treason and is given the equivalent of a slap on the wrist. Some punishment!
“Gordon too giddy that he is traveling with the big boys like Fallon and cognizant of the fact he would not be invited along with them if he were to, oh say, draw inconvenient conclusions is only too happy to avoid anything that smacks of insightful reporting.”
Give the big boys what they want to hear, and get your first row seat. The public will keep turning to the blogs and internet.
It’s the greymail part of the case that really fries me — and that they’re now trying to use Walton’s refusal to be greymailed as grounds for appeal! And what does the “national security” argument boil down to? Big Important Scooter Libby was so busy saving us from terrorists that he forgot the difference between truth and lies. I mean, really…
Lift up your collective face,
Lowered by the old disgrace,
That Ticky Dick in fit of pique
Destroyed the Plame spy network.
Klein says victory is sure,
Scoot the verdict will secure
But Klein’ll be crying in his beer
When Fitz has jailed the Scoot jerk!
Curse and swear, Lords of Air!
Fitz will do what Fitz will dare!
Lord High Broder, have a care –
Fallen is your star, sir.
Up with justice, up with law!
On we’ll go, for by my trow
Pat Fitzgerald has given his word:
Scooter goes to the slammer!
I thought the memory defense only couned if Libby took the stand?
Unfortunately for Scoots it’s too late for a “Motion to Change the Facts”!
(which I did once, to a judge I knew had a sense of humor)
OT: Still no “front-paging” of the FaceBook FDL group? How do late-comers have a prayer of finding out about it? And …remember that notion of mine to have the frong-page link go to an intro page that explains its goals, and then a (bookmarkable) link straight into the FB itself? Just some thoughts, YMMV. :)
John D. @ 15
This is the main question/discussion that happens with this group of young folks that I have been discussing this trial with “why is it that common criminals do more time for robbing a corner convenience store than Libby will do for “obstructing an investigation”
of the outing of a CIA undercover agent.
The other question that I hear many of these young college students asking is ‘why did Fleisher, Rove, and others not stand trial for outing Plame ?”
Christy can you give me exact time and day for the hearing? And if you and others do not object I am going to try to get this pack of young adults on line at FDL during the hearing.
Phoenix Woman @ 18: I’m impressed. What do you call that rhyme scheme?
This is a fun footnote from page 32 of the brief:
Ya, you could’a called Uncle Dick you dweeb!
kathleen — If I remember correctly, it is set to begin around 1:30 pm ET. But I’d have to go back and look at the liveblogging from the last hearing to be certain and I’m eating lunch with Mr. ReddHedd at the moment. I’ll check in just a bit…
Nitpick: in the first quote, next-to-last sentence.
Please put the ‘l’ back in ‘public’!
(Also, really nitpicking: ’suspicion’, ‘prominent’)
Might be an interesting day thursday.
If Walton says “Nope- you will not stay out of jail pending appeal”- will scoots get a few days to get his affairs in order- or will he be frog marched out directly?
If Clusterfuck is going to commute the sentence- will he do it immediately- or wait until the focus has moved elsewhere?
OT
Now on wnyc.org, gay escort who outed Ted Haggert.
Is there a pattern here?
“I sat in the courtroom and listened to the tape of Libby’s (Gonzales’)testimony before (Congress)the Grand Jury play out for the jury during the opening statements. It was clear, even from that first day of (testimony) trial, that the backtracking, the hemmng and hawing, the uncertainty, and the factually unsupportable contradictory statements that came tripping out of (Gonzales’) Libby’s mouth that he was not being well and truly honest with (Congress) the grand jury.”
Maybe they both had the same coaches?
Then this one to is sort of STFU, not our fault is the witnesses you called couldn’t to crap for you. From page 34:
S.O.S. from MA @ 21
dmac found out that:
don’t know how we’re going to get around that one.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 25
The google has the Thursday hearing at 1:30. The first link of course if FIREDOGLAKE.
Phoenix Woman @ 18
for those that missed it earlier
very funny
behindthefall @ 23
I call it “ripping off an old Irish song called ‘Follow Me Up To Carlow‘”. I did it in honor of Fitz, as he’s a true fan of Irish music (and as such would know the tune).
When Libby turns on his computer on Thursday morning, he’ll hear “*bling* You’ve Got Jail!”
Why do the courts give people like Schlozmann and others time to revise what they have stated under oath? Do common folks have this same privilige when they testify under oath?
http://thinkprogress.org/2007/…..testimony/
behindthefall @ 23
Hmm, it “reads” like standard folk ballad metre…
LUNCH BREAK ~ Burrito Supreme, extra kitteh.
Phoenix Woman @ 34
Mmmm. What I liked particularly was the way you carried the rhyme from one verse to the next, which the “Carlow” lyrics didn’t do (or if they did, I missed it).
kathleen @ 11
Yes, also the same Michael Gordon who continues to hype the Iranian threat in Iraq. The Iranians have a considerable interest and political presence in Iraq but their military activities there have been consistently overblown by Gordon and the upper echelons of the US military.
The “Free Scooter Libby” movement is really pickin up steam. Rich white people are up in arms “there but for the grace of God go I”.
selise @ 31
I bailed when I read that.
OT – on the senate intelligence committee hearing this afternoon, “To hold hearings to examine terrorist ideology “.
i just called the senate intelligence committee (since the witnesses are still not listed on their website), and was told the witnesses are: Stephen Ulph, Kim Kagan and Daniel Kimmage.
i think i’ll pass.
is it too much to wish for better – now that congress has a D majority?
Scoots is a foot soldier in the gooper pary- the american institution dedicated to the protection and growth of property. Anything he did in that war is to be forgiven.
kathleen at 36 — Yes, when they testify before Congress, most folks are given time to revise and extend remarks. And, as it is Congress and not a court of law, that’s perfectly acceptable and a long-standing practice. But revising your remarks doesn’t necessarily exempt you from charges, depending on intent and a number of other factors — but it is a completely different situation than testifying under oath before a grand jury, where you may also have an opportunity to correct remarks if you later remember details that are substantive and relevant to the case at bar (recall that Rove testified FIVE times before the G/J).
Hugh @ 40
So pathetic. Gordon is still essentially doing the neo-cons bidding. So much for the NYT being a liberal paper.
rwcole @ 41
That would be, I take it, “rich white people” with uneasy consciences?
JPL @ 32
Thanks
selise @ 43
Who are the other two? And why is Kim Kagan there? She is a disgrace. Is she there as a sop to the Repugs?
Kathleen, click on selise’s name for her link to hearing schedules
Sheila Johnson on poverty CSPAN 3
FYI — The Doan testimony to Waxman’s committee will be broadcast live tomorrow on C-Span3 starting at 10 am. Is that too early for popcorn, do you think?
behindthefall @ 39
Thanks! I just wrote out the meter the way I’ve heard it sung countless times in various Irish bars. Here’s a MIDI file — the default Media Player setting is too slow, but if you put it on the “fast” setting (which is still too slow), you’ll get an idea of what it’s supposed to sound like.
raven @ 42
You can use fake names. I mean how would they really know? As long as it’s not too crazy. Hell, just look at all the people that claim they are Russ Feingold. Or some other famous people.
Another OT, Blair soon to leave offide likens the British press to a “feral beast”. Apparently, Bush’s poodle wishes British media would be more poodlish like their American cousins. What a WATB. Bow-wow.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06…..ir.html?hp
OT–
Too funny and stupid. Bush links terrorists and communists:
He needs to read Aristotle on analogy.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
Is it ever too early for popcorn with this administration?
Brisingamen @ 37
It is — it’s “Follow Me Up To Carlow”. :-)
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
The realtor is coming tomorrow afternoon to list the house and I was hoping tomorrow would be cleaning day. Oh Well…
kathleen @ 36
This was not the courts which I’m pretty sure would NOT allow revisions of the testimony after the fact. However, this is a procedure that the congress appears to use fairly frequently; especially when the person testifying is spouting gibberish as AL-VINNN was doing.
It is the same thing that Waxman pointedly advised Natasha aka Victrola Toesuck of after her testimony on Plame. By leaving the “official” record up for revision of remarks, the Congress gets to call BS on the liars and take them to the woodshed without having to go to the trouble of proving the perjury in court.
Elliott @ 50
i’m only doing senate and house committee hearings… :(
but, S.O.S. from MA is working on a calendar to mark important dates for us firepups.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
not too early for cookies!
Hugh @ 55
Poodle boy was trying to take The Independent to task the other day for being overly harsh. The editor had a great retort to poodle Tony. The Independent was against the Iraq War for the get-go and the editor said basically that Blair is pissed that he was wrong and the Independent is right. His words were better and more of a Snap!! then that, but you get the point.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
How about croissants and/or glazed donuts and/or blueberry muffins?
Christy!
Thanks for this great summary!
Just a little tease– you wrote,
Unfortunately I can’t figure out a way to make “tastical” into a delicious Freudian slip. I am often grateful for the spell check function in Wordpress that alerts me to mispellings or unusual words.
Bob in HI
selise @ 61
Thanks to you! :)
and to S.O.S. from MA, too
Wow. A judge and prosecution who are thorough and committed to precedence and the rule of law. No wonder the Libbyites are still trying this case in the court of public opinion.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 46
The same “groupthink” Monkey see monkey do reporting going on about Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program. Very few MSMers’ questioning these repeated and unsubstantiated claims. (Matthews is the exception)
If people like Gordon Brown( who I believe should be held accountable for the false pre-war ingelligence reporting (Official Secrets ACt) are allowed to get away with printing unsubstantiated claims about Iraq and Iran. How can they wonder why visits to blogs (like FDL) and the internet have grown by leaps and bounds. This is the same so called “liberal” media that stuffed the WMD’s in Iraq hogwash down Americans throats.
Christy,
Thank you! for your expert analysis and the translation into plain English for the non-lawyers like me.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 54
until you get caught. dmac had his facebook pulled.
imo, it’s ok for a “fun” site – but for not serious organizing. ymmv.
Christy:
You have done a good job of convincing this not terribly bright, non-lawyer of Libby’s poor chances of getting his conviction overturned on appeal, but could you give us more info on who exactly will be hearing his appeal?
As an officer of the court you probably have more faith than me in the “system”, but personally I would like to know what the chances are the “fix is in”. Especially if Libby’s appeal will be heard by a bunch of his federalist society buddies.
Thx.
Can someone explain the concept of ‘greymail’ please?
Christy, Now that Schlozman has clarified his lies, do you have any guesses as to what’s next.. Will he be offered the magic immunity pill?
Sojourner @ 72
“Definition: Greymail is a defense tactic available to government employees who have connections with national security. When charged with a crime, the defendent claims that classified records are necessary to the defense. The goal of the defense team is to request so many classified documents that the federal government says “no.” At that point, the defense tries to convince a judge that they cannot get a fair trial without these records; the goal is to have the case or charges dismissed.” there’s more…
US politics
Sojourner at 72 — Meant to link up this greymail background piece. Sorry about that.
Aha! Thanks Elliott!
And thanks to you, too, Christy!
Somewhat OT, but while we’re on the subject of folks who (apparently) need to have the full weight of the law come crashing down on them …
According to friends of mine in the Triangle, wral.com is streaming the Mike Nifong disciplinary hearing. The hearing is in a lunch recess now, and is scheduled to resume at 1:45 p.m.
we have to get the lines out democrats need to use when talking about a possible libby pardon
we have to get them on board with calling libby’s actions “deliberately covering the tracks of traitors”
Sojourner @ 72
IANAL, but as I underestand it, it is trying to bring so much classified information into a court proceeding, information that truly is critical for the national defense, that in order to have a valid defense the info has to be de-classified but it can’t be de-classified due to the sensitive nature of the information. Hence the conundrum called “grey-mail.”
All it really is, is a variation on blackmail only the defense is blackmailing the gov’t with the gov’t’s own secrets.
OT… CNN just reported another bridge in Baghdad blown up. That’s 3 this week. We have got to get our troops out, they are going to be trapped very soon.
Christy,
there are 939 hits on the google for greymail and your 2/2006 article is #4!
bad boys, bad boys, whatcha gone do, whatcha gone do when they come for you?
OT New Froomkin Lede is yesterday’s decision by 4th circuit.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
Yes, but not for cookies!
OT, but on a subject near and dear to all of our hearts:
Congressional Democrats shoot themselves in the foot yet again, this time on earmarks reform. From today’s BNA Daily Tax Report:
dakine01 @ 64
Starbucks double espresso and lemon pound cake for the hearing
As one of the anti-invasion marches in D.C. (oct 2002) was ending I got out of the protest and into the Starbucks line (which had a lot of protestors with their signs in line for a fix) some of the younger protestors began to scream at me “don’t support large corporations”. I turned around and let them know that I was completely against the invasion of Iraq but that Starbucks had nothing to do with it, and that Starbucks actually started employees out well above the minimum wage and provided a relatively good health insurance plan for their employees. ( I had asked employees at Starbucks in many cities and airports what they made)
Thought that moment would have made for a good Starbucks commercial.
dakine01 @ 60
And did she revise (recant) or actually say something truthful? Has anyone checked the Record? And there was also the question of checking whether her report of her age at the time was accurate, although that may have been Waxman’s snarking.
Anyone know?
One more OT for the road:
The national average for regular gasoline today is $3.066 down from $3.227 on May 24th.
The wholesale price is around $3.25 which would be consistent with an equilibrium retail price around $2.80. The futures price today is $3.12 consistent with a retail price of around $2.90. I don’t know where the retail price will eventually flatten out but, barring a major crisis or refinery outage, there is still a lot of downward leeway in the price.
some more good argument-ary
chuckiness, here. . .
team fitz correctly points out,
as did i (earlier), that morrison is
the law of the land, and must be followed,
even by the d.c. court of appeals – there’s
a none-too-subtle-slap, no? check this:
cool. so: (1) the law is not what
twelve graybeards hoped it would
be, if scalia had the majority –
not the dissenting — position, way
back when morrison was decided. . .
but, (2) even if scalia’s dissent
were the current law of the land,
fitzs’ appointment would pass
scalia’s test for constitutionality — as
fitz was/is removable “at will”.
well — game.set.and.match.
it is all over, except for the
shouting about memory-expert
admissabilty — which i’ll likely
not excerpt, ut note that not
much chance exists that those de-
cisions involved an abuse of
discretion at the trial level (and
yes, that is the standard for
evidentiary rulings, on appeal). . .
buckle up for camp-fed, scoots!
Christy, I’m very grateful.
jackie @ 81
They’ve been ‘trapped’ for some time now. The bridge destruction is an exclamation point!
kdh22 @ 92
ambassador Wilson pointed out that this would be what would happen way back when he graced the lake with a live interview
quite present that man
I am hoping he gives us another opportunity to dialgue this topic and soon
breaking on CNN. 11 passengers sick on Air Mexico flight. Coming right after TB story re; dead student (CO?) and a bit about TB carrier crossing from Mexico.
How sad is it that I immediately thought, ‘Oh look a ‘State of Emergency’ and Bush and Co breathing a huge sigh of relief.’
TiredFed @ 83
Ya think we’ll get to see scoots running around his neighborhood naked sporting a rear-facing ball cap, a mullet and athletic socks?
Marvelous analysis as usual, Christy. What is your take on some of the “warnings” shall we say to the Appeals Court and even to the Supremes (Scalia even got mentioned by name)?
burnspbesq @ 86
I think there should be transparency in earmarks but it shows a lot of chutzpah for Republicans to get all high and mighty about them seeing as they were the ones responsible for turning them into a major source of abuse.
perris @ 79
I think that the two mantras of the Democrats on this should be “condoning illegality” and “coverup”.
Waxman has another Cabinet Secreatary in his sights: Waxman letter to Peters
kathleen @ 22
if it gets too packed, there’s always gabbly! but warn us they’re coming. it can get pretty risky over there. oh, and I think the hearing is at 1:30 on Thursday (that’s what Walton said last week).
Hugh @ 98
I like the word condoning but the neo fascists scoff at “illegality”, they will think to themeslves *anything to defend the administration*
therefore we have to get “traitor” in there, hit them right in the solar plexus and take away what they once thought as their own private territory
so something like;
“even suggesting pardoning libby is conding the coverup of traitors”
bing
jackie @ 81
Anyone hear the recetn piece on NPR by Ann Gerls about when she was trying to travelout of the Green Zone to a town just 10 miles from Baghdad, it took her eight hours to travel 10 miles. It was terrifying! Will try to find it
What we have done to Iraq and the Iraqi people via the invasion is a crime against humanity. It really does make one wonder about whether the intention of the neo cons was chaos and destruction in Iraq.(how could they make so many mistakes, unless they were not mistakes)
As Greg Palast suggessted sometime ago that there is a strong possibility the Bush administration invaded Iraq to turn the oil spickets off not on.
jackie @ 94
It is probably statistically impossible that those 11 people suddenly became ill with TB on the airplane. Most likely, they drank some contaminated water or ate something bad at the airport before leaving Mexico. Why it is happening today with all the immigration debate, is what is alarming to me.
The TB story is so grossly exaggerated as a danger to the major public. You could be on any subway in any major city any day and come into contact with people with all kinds of forms of TB. The behavior of the patient was wrong though, and the lack of action by the immigration agent was also wrong.
All of the major MSM news networks cooperate (with someone?) to put stories out there that coincide with the agenda of the powers that be. We have no free press on the major networks. IMHO.
Christy, i would point out that you are quite correct about dealing with experts on the stand; but that is not necessarily the case with Liz Loftus. Her real area of expertise is, and has always been, eyewitness identification. She and a collegue literally wrote the book on that subject. I have used her before, she is very bright but I always found her much more useful in terms of affidavits or prepping counsel for cross examination than for testimony. She is not the best live witness as Fitz undoubtedly gleefully discovered. Thing is, she tried to branch out her paid expert repetoir into the so called memory field. The results have pretty consistently mirrored those here, although she had a couple of minor successes. And the earlier commenter was correct that even if she had not been barred from testifying, the Court indicated that a foundation from Libby would likely be necessary.
Hee.
http://www.opednews.com/articl…..manity.htm
perris @ 93
quite present that man
assume you meant “prescient?” :})
rwcole @ 27
sorry if this has been answered, but Walton said he has no control over when Libby reports. The U.S. Bureau of Prisons usually takes 45-60 days to decide where to place a Federal prisoner. I’ve heard there are free beds at Gitmo.
AZ Matt@99 – Being in Arizona, you are probably aware what a total flunky Mary Peters is.
bmaz @ 108
Oooh, oooh I wanna be aware of her total flunkiness. Do tell more.
Tonight’s Watchlist:
Scummy Shrummy on the Daily Show. Enquiring minds want to know why Dems kept hiring this no-win-zone loser….
And blogger Josh Wolf on Colbert….
bmaz @ 108
I don’t really remember her.
bmaz at 104 — Absolutely. Her eyewitness testimony work is something that she’s testified about quite a bit, and her research has been substantial on that front. Team Libby did her no favors by trying to use her outside her window of expertise — but then again, she did take the witness fee and agree to testify outside her usual expertise for them. It was a mess, all the way around.
TiredFed @ 107
Isn’t the bureau of prisons a part of the DOJ, and therefore falls under the auspices of AGAG?
Rut Roh
Jackie @ 81
Bingo on Palast’s hypothesis about Iraq invasion limiting oil supply. I am, as my non-de-toobz suggests, an economist, and it’s the only theory that makes sense. I’m embarrassed that I didn’t think of it before reading it in Palast. Neocons had other plans for Iraq’s oil, but oil companies got their way instead–WANS (we are not surprised).
Christy Hardin Smith @ 52
It is for me in Hawaii (4 AM!). But thanks for the h/t!
Bob in HI
AZ Matt @99: Holy Shit! GO Henry!
S.O.S. from MA @ 21
Your thoughts are great. It took me a long time to figure out how To Do comments correctly here. All the not-spelled out rules…and short-hands. Fortunately, you have some Very Kind Commenters who have helped me out. Kudos and thanks to you all…too numerous to name. You know who you are.
As a newbie, I felt like this was an exclusive club that you had to have a similar profile to be a member of. I learned, by being patient, to go with the flow and learn. But, it would be a great idea to have a short How-To-Not-Piss-Off- the powers that be.
Sorry Anne “Anne Garrels” (what a brave person Anne is) short trip out of Baghdad
http://www.npr.org/templates/s…..d=10905936
I just got off the phone after calling Senator Leahy and Rep. Conyers office. The nice gentleman at Leahy’s office didn’t have much to say other than a lot of people have called regarding AGAG. The gentleman at Conyers office said to be patient, that the wheels are turning. I told him I understood, but that time is of the essence. I informed him about HoJo’s comments and said that I hope Rome doesn’t burn down while the wheels are still turning. I also told him that Miers and Turdblossom need to be subpeona’d pronto.
Phoenix Woman @ 58
Our posts must have just crossed — I read yours after I’d posted the above!
I help run a small science fiction/music convention, which has several song contests, lots of the stuff played there has it’s roots in folk.
kdh22 @ 95
gosh I hope not. I’ve seen him in person. not exactly an ad for bowflex!
Froomkin pulls no punches today on BushCo:
President Bush’s profoundly un-American notion that he can arrest and indefinitely hold people without trial if he simply designates them “enemy combatants” ran afoul of the judicial branch yesterday.
“We will remember this whole misguided administration for deciding to wage the fight against terrorism in a manner that not only mocks our nation’s values but also draws new recruits to the anti-American cause. We will remember this White House for unwittingly helping the terrorist cause perpetuate itself.”
Chorus: Why does BushCo hate America?
demi aka dmoore @ 117
If I may be so bold, the main rules are to be respectful of others (no ad hominem attacks), try to stay close to topic for the first 50-100 comments (except for late-nite), when going off topic identify it as such. And when special book topics or politicians visit for discussions, stay on topic even more so then out of respect to the person visiting and their time. And if Jane or Christy or anyone in charge make a special request try to follow it. It does not pay to get Ms Hamsher or Ms Smith or any of other posters or the mods aggravated at you. :})
OT: CNN has been discussing why Katrina victims still have trouble sleeping. Some of the comments that struck me were that, it is normal not to be able to sleep after a trauma or a divorce for a couple of months, but if it persists longer, they might be suffering from PTSD. Gee, d’ya think????
Then, they said that more men were suffering from the difficulty sleeping than women, so the talking head says that maybe that is because more men were assisting in rescues. What kind of amnesia is this? A major city in the U.S. is destroyed, hundreds of thousands relocated and homeless, thousands killed, no food or water for 5 days in front of the eyes of the entire world…If any one of the victims of Katrina does not have difficulty sleeping or other PTSD symptoms to this day, I would be amazed.
Nice juxtaposition, Redd: Andrea Mitchell and the ugly head.
Brisingamen at 120 — I had no idea you were into filk. Some very funny stuff, that — especially at 2 am after a coupla beers. *g*
Prairie at 122 — Did you see the op-ed that Gene Robinson did today as well? Scorching.
AZ Matt @ 111
Ms. Peters was formerly head of the transportation dept. in Arizona and has this quaint little notion that roads should be built and maintained by private entities and paid for by user fees. She personally probably set the Arizona transportation infrastructure back a decade. She is perfect for an administration that wants to privatize the entire government.
anyone show this bit from raw story here yet?
Fortunately, you have some Very Kind Commenters who have helped me out. Kudos and thanks to you all…too numerous to name. You know who you are.
Big oops. I So missed mentioning the moderators who I think are wonderful people! Thanks for your support and guidance.
Christy – I sent you a copy of the essay I wrote regarding the meeting I attended with Loo Hoo with Darrell Issa’s Deputy Director, which was inspired by your piece a week ago. I haven’t heard back from you. Alot of people here were interested in hearing what happened there and if you have no feedback for me, I guess I’ll just post parts of my piece on line here tonight. If you haven’t read it, I think I did a pretty darn good job giving a glimpse into what they think/or don’t think about issues that I get the impression a lot of your readers hold dear.
Best regards,….
dakine01 @ 106
damn spell check program..gawd
eCahn – that would be your Gnome de toobz, not non.
LS,
I think I meant that how sad/scary is it that;
1. I am so NOT surprised by anything this Administration does,
And:
2. Just how quickly I could see how, these grouping of incidents, could be used to benefit some very unscrupulous people, who happen to need a really big freaking shiny object just about now..
demi at 130 — I got it, just haven’t had time to read it due to back to back conference calls the last coupla days and legal brief reading/writing. Promise I’ll get to it sme time today. Thanks.
Christy, EJ Dionne seems to be sending a message as well.
jackie @ 133
Oh, I totally got that. I was just “expanding” on it :)
Gnome de Plume @ 132
My cute little gnome hat picture didn’t come through.
perris @ 131
Now, c’mon, spell check worked fine. It just didn’t understand what you meant to say.
Gnome de Plume @ 132
Meant nom, but Gnome is much better as you gnowe. I willingly stand corrected.
dakine01 @ 138
you’re right there, I spelled precient wrong and spell check fixed it to be “present”
I didn’t double check to make sure it was giving me the proper word
as I said…damn spell check program *g*
If I may be so bold, the main rules are to be respectful of others (no ad hominem attacks), try to stay close to topic for the first 50-100 comments (except for late-nite), when going off topic identify it as such. And when special book topics or politicians visit for discussions, stay on topic even more so then out of respect to the person visiting and their time. And if Jane or Christy or anyone in charge make a special request try to follow it. It does not pay to aggrivate Hamsher or Ms Smith or any of other posters or the mods aggravated at you. :})
Thanks, Dakine01…appreciate your boldness and kindness. I fear it’s too late for me to not aggravate those mentioned. But, I stay here because it’s a great place to learn and share.
At my age and stage in life, I’ve aggrevated probably more people than I should have. But, I’m not going to throw the baby out with the bath water. Again, thanks for your tips.
bmaz @ 128
That’s right up there with this idiot idea from Doughy Pantload: Crappola
He is a Fool.
AZ Matt @ 99
You think Henry W might be just a bit unhappy with DOT, seeing as his district is in Los Angeles and has to deal with air quality regulations all the time?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 127
Wonderful column! I think we’re seeing–finally and despite the best efforts of the DCelites–the chugging from lapdog media mode into historian mode… this train engine’s leaving the station and Bush’s legacy will forever be a yardstick of worst of the worst American presidents.
Whether it’s arrogance or airheadedness, Bush’s sociopathic underpinnings will emerge from the good ol’ boy aura to the cold reality of history.
P J Evans @ 143
I would also guess that Hank was a champion of the original rules allowing CA and other states to have more stringent rules than the EPA in the first place.
demi aka dmoore @ 130
More, please. Don’t tease us so much. Are guys like Issa as out of touch as we think they are?
kathleen @ 11
Kathleen,
This is OT but here’s a Google alert on that trial you were asking about.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,280172,00.html
(No big news, it’s delayed again.)
P J Evans @ 143
Henry realizes that it usually California that is the driving engine of the mileage issue not the DOT. I remember trvelling through LA in the ’60’s and the smog would make you feel short of breath. It is a health issue nationally and enviromentally. Detroit can’t dictate on this one. Ya, Henry is pissed.
perris @ 129
According to CNN, he put the watch in his pocket: The mystery of President Bush’s missing watch has been solved
“According to CNN, he put the watch in his pocket” afte someone showed him where his pockets were.
One of the most heartening things I read yesterday while catching up on the toobz was the prediction that most people will be receiving their news from the internet toobz in five years and not the teevee toobz. It might have been over at Huffington, but anyhow whenever I see the braying and whining from the Beltway and Kleins of this world I know that they know that their time is over and they do not like it one bit.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 134
Thanks. Life does get busy, don’t it? I’ll hold off on sharing my comments, in case…
whatever. :)
BTW…the copy I sent is the secular version. I’m doing a layperson’s sermon this sunday at my church and I’m doing the What Would Jesus Say About This (expletive will be modified for the church folks!) :) Thanks!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 126
Oh, yes — I’m a filker. I even made it onto a couple of early convention cassettes. I’ve been attending SF cons since DisconII in DC in 1974.
2AM –
“The bar overheard us,
it closed for the night,
they can’t take the sound of our filking.
So sing out whatever note suits you,
the rest will join in,
each one in their own key –
and it’s fair-ye-well all vestige of harmony,
All of the filkers are singing…”
Gnome de Plume @ 151
Wasn’t it Dylan Thomas that had a good one about this?
Emotional safety is one of the Lake’s great qualities – but it’s a fine-line to walk.
Some things are obvious – like not advocating violence to others of differing opinion.
Other things are less obvious – like encouraging lurkers to come forward, who would otherwise not.
Overall, Jane and Christy and the whole FDL Crew do an unbelievable job of speaking Truth to Power in a principled and impassioned way worthy of great support.
The Lake is a living example of the way things can be between all of us.
demi aka dmoore @ 130
would you consider writing a dailykos diary on your trip and then linking to it here? i bet it would be of interest to lots of people. thx!
Hi Christy:
Well it’s me, the old lawyer, trying not to get you too much into the weeds, but probably utterly failing. Just as we thought we might just have Walton sending Scooter to jail we now have the floating (By David Frum on Tweety’s show last night) of this little gem:
Actually all Black’s has on it is that it is, “the temporary suspension of a criminal sentence.”
I did what research I could find on it and the respite power has been used in the past, (altho, for some reason, I can’t find any modern DoJ stats on its use past 1945). I have no idea whether it’s been used as Frum proposes.
Any thoughts?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 149
I think I have to call BS on that report. I watched the video and don’t think I saw Bush put his hands anywhere near his pockets during the time he wa wading into the crowds. IIRC, his arms were pretty much stretched out to the crowd for the whole time. There were people grabbing hold of his arms and holding him and took the watch. But it makes a good story for SnowJob to try to pawn off.
First we see the prez strutting around Albania (big supporters of Bush and the Iraq occupation, good p.r. for a possible thing in Iran too?), then Lieberman saying the other day we need to attack Iran. Now this:
AP – A senior U.S. diplomat accused Iran on Tuesday of transferring weapons to Taliban insurgents in Afghanistan — the most direct comments yet on the issue by a ranking American official.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 146
Not trying to tease. Just trying to play by the rules and give Peace a Chance.
Okay, here’s a little bit…
To be honest, he didn’t actually answer our questions so much as respond to them. I don’t think that’s the same thing, although I don’t believe that Mr. Paule would see the distinction. I say this to hint at the different ways our minds seem to work. Once he got past the fear that we were there to cause a scene, or to rip him a new one, but merely to ask him where Mr. Issa stands on a number of issues and to share our feelings with regards to the same, he was repeatedly incredulous at our motivation for being there and the depth and breadth of our knowledge of public affairs. The one answer I did come away with was the one I formulated on my long drive home. It’s all about the money, girlfriend.
More to come, I promise.
It’s a little bit possible that the Secret Service got the watch into W’s pocket, but W didn’t do that himself. Dude lost his watch in the crowd, I say. Fiance sez “American goober goes to Europe and gets ripped off by the natives!”
Watch it.
ok, non-lawyer question…the Fitz filing quotes a Scalia dissent regarding Morrison (how to tell an inferior officer…an almost pythonesque question)…why quote from a dissent? didn’t that view lose?
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 154
Uhhh, I don’t know my DT that well. *blush* Please refresh my memory.
Quoting Scalia is an interesting tactic, though, considering the rightwing firepower lining up on Irve’s side….
THE LAKE IS GREAT!
*back to work now*
P E A C E all
I’m waiting for the watch to show up on e-Bay.
New thread…
Jane upstairs taking on the WaPo0
Christy Hardin Smith @ 45
So does this mean that GOPers intent on gaming every human interaction can slime a political enemy during live testimony before Congress and c-span…and then later say in a more private venue (ie the letter) “just kidding”? Cute.
AZ Matt @ 148
You’ve got that right. I went to school in Claremont about forty mile from downtown LA and used to watch 8000 ft Mt Baldy disappear every day about three miles away. And I’m not kidding.
Selise -
You’ll definitely read more. Hold your horses, as my dear mama says.
To be sure.
dratty @ 157
Isn’t the power of respite – “the temporary suspension of a criminal sentence” – a judicial prerogative? Where is it mentioned in the United States Code?
do-si-do @ 3
Seconded
AZ Matt @ 142
it’s fascism plain and simple, it’s fuedalism, it’s robber baron
they don’t want anyone eductated but themselves
pretty sick stuff…the real problem is some people don’t understand the history of the middle class to understand why the very notion is dangerous
“Mitchell was essentially talking out of her ass” Now there is an image we may all want to forget.
mucouswelby @ 162
IIRC the Amici brief by the VERY IMPORTANT PEOPLE, MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN YOU OR ME, referrenced Scalia’s dissent.
mucouswelby @ 162
nonlawyer answer – Scalia clarified in his dissent under what circumstances it would be proper to classify someone as an inferior officer of the government for the purposes of the Appointments Clause (that the inferior officer be subject to removal at will).
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 172
Well apparently not exclusively. It can, and has been used as a form of executive clemency at least according to DoJ stats from 1900-45.
link here: http://www.usdoj.gov/pardon/actions_fiscal.htm
TeddySanFran @ 161
If only time would fly back here at home while Bush is President…
As a peasant woman I learned a great deal reading that brief. Thanks
So the Fitz team states that reasons for a release on appeal is when “chance for reversal is substantial”
The following statements in that brief really struck justice chords in me. “The new prescription of confinement pending approval “gives recognition to the basic principle that a conviction is presumed to be correct.”
“In other words, Congress has recognized that “harm results not only when someone is imprisoned erroneously, but when execution of sentence is delayed because of arguments that in the ende porve to be without merit.”
At a time when confidence in our government and justice system (starting with the Presidential Supreme Court judicial coup that selected the President of the U.S.) is at an all time low. I would say that allowing a federal criminal to walk during appeal would not do much for the peoples confidence in our justice system.
demi aka dmoore @ 171
Me too, me too, I wanna hear all about your visit. Way cool.
Larry Johnson’s take on the Iraq bridge bombings with links to Juan Cole:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..123657/761
perris @ 129
707! That explains so much.
AZ Matt @ 142
He is a Product of Home Schooling.
Methinks that Reggie walton should take note of the Presidential candidate Mike Huckabee and send Libby down to Gitmo before the appeal process is finished. Afterall, that would be a fair and balanced solution. Fitz wants to send Libby to jail and Jeffriews wants to keep him out. Since Gitmo is so much better than most prisons, that would be about right.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 127
My immediate thought after reading Robinson: is Albania like Paraguay, no extradition treaties?
Hmm.
A point I don’t think I’ve seen made: I get the strong impression that Libby’s defense team does not have nearly as much confidence in their objections as they pretend to, but it isn’t out of fear. Basically, it’s that their audience isn’t Walton, or appeals court judges, or even the public at large. Their real audience is the people who are paying for Libby’s defense and their circle, such as Comstock and Toensing. So these attorneys are in fact just going through the motions, but being intelligent and well-paid attorneys, they are doing it really really well. They have to do a good enough job to please their bosses, even if they themselves figure it’s largely a waste of time.
WH vs the Army:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/11/213936/253
Tom in AZ @ 170
I know one person who claims that they take the mountains out every afternoon for cleaning, because they disappear then and reappear the next morning. (It’s way better than it used to be.)
thanks gang.
P J Evans @189:
Remember the scene in Lucifer’s Hammer where the astronomer talks about “Hertz rent-a-mountain” in reference to this phenomena?
What really gets to me is the notion that someone’s record of public service and the importance of friends is relevant to whether or not someone should spend time in jail for committing a crime.
As staff to several mayors and several cabinet members in NY State, the standard for our conduct was expected to be “a higher standard” than we expected from those we served. This was because we held the public’s trust. We had the power because the public expected us to use it correctly.
And, I’m sure you think I’m a broken record on those letters of support, but once again let me say clearly… Libby let down his friends and neighbors, partners, clients, friends, law school buddies, admirers … everyone who was let down by this guy. You could say he betrayed their trust.
He is not being held to even a lower standard if he is let off.
162 – Scalia is the author of the Edmond v. U.S. case in 1997 which uses a bit different standards than Morrison and which The Bork 12 argue overrules Morrison, “sub silentio.”
So Fitzgerald’s citing back Scalia’s dissent is belts and suspenders – Morrison is NOT “overruled” by Edmond, but even if it were, I still meet the standards set by the author of Edmond
IANAL (but i was in a lawsuit w/ a memory component for 6 years), & i particularly enjoyed reading this from the team fitz brief:
“Contrary to defendant’s contention (Def. Mot. at 9-11), the Court did not err, much less abuse its discretion, in denying defendant’s motion to admit expert testimony, and the court’s ruling provides no basis for granting release pending appeal.”
(snip)
“Juries in many, if not most, cases assess the memory and credibility of witnesses and evaluate competing versions of events without lengthy explanations of the current state of research into human memory.”
(snip)
“In context, the Court’s observation that “[t]here is no clear case authority, or absolute rule, on when an expert should be permitted to testify on issues regarding memory or perception”
nice try team libby – memory is a slippery slope in an american court of law – but you already knew that – guess we can’t blame ya’s for tryin’
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 154
He wrote a poem called “Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night.” Here is a link Do Not Go Gentle
Helen @ 176
estiv at 187: I think you’re onto something here. From what I understand of Libby’s issues for an appeal from Christy’s post above, his appeal sounds like they are just going through the motions.
ot
i just went to senator patrick leahy site to thank him for a bill amending the presidential records act, and there is a article that says another witness in the doj case has revised his testimony. just another day in bushleague world.
helen kenney
demi aka dmoore @ 117
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 149
Julius Hibbert makes a cogent observation in the comments:
Back up the list: Talking about the rich white guys getting nervous makes me want to recall the non-white Rice Lady. I hope something makes her nervous enough to shake her icy arrogance.
And re. the sermon: I hope you will post a copy. I would love to read it. Thanks
eCAHNomics @ 114
There’s also the vast consumption by the military operation that is equivalent to most European countries. All on the public tax dollar.
Of course the oil companies charged excessive amounts for that fuel, as well.
Reduction of supply, artificial increase in demand, and an open-ended contractual deal with one of the purchasers. One can see exactly what that would do to oil prices and oil company profits under ANY economic model!
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 149
Why would Tony Snow have to “review the video”? Wasn’t the word of the President good enough for him (either)?
Or maybe he knows that the American people no longer trust anything that the WH, Bush, or Snow has to say.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 159
DON’T FORGET ELBONIA!
TeddySanFran @ 161
One possibility is that someone in the crowd “snipped” the band but didn’t make the snag. Hard to believe that Bush wears a watch with a fraying leather band that would simply break.
Maybe they wanted a souvenir…or a watch that could bring quite a lot on E-Bay (about 20 years).
The Secret Service dude picks it up and gives it to Bush. Pretty clear that Bush himself didn’t remove the watch, though…unless he’s double-jointed and can take of his watch “one-handed”.
Christy says:
“Finally, the issue of Andrea Mitchell’s exclusion for testimony rears it’s ugly head…”.
THERE IS NO APOSTROPHE IN THE POSSESSIVE ITS! IT’S is an abbreviation of IT IS.
Sorry to point this out, but Christy’s writing is terrific – and this repeated error stands out.
aterrificjob – I’m sure Christy appreciates the comment. However, all caps is kinda like shouting.