YouTube of the Thelonious Monk Quartet performing Epistrophy in Paris in 1966. Thought a little jazz with the legal reading would be a good combo this morning.
Reading through the latest filing from Team Fitz in the Libby case is a thing of beauty. Deborah Bonamici has opened up a restrained but no less effective can of legal whoop ass on the Team Libby attempt to keep Scooter out of jail pending appeal. That Bonamici does this through carefully-cited and sourced legal precedents and arguments regarding stare decisis (the requirement that prior legal precedent be recognized and given controlling weight) makes it all the better for the reading.
To begin the response brief, Bonamici lays out the criteria for evaluation as required by 18 USC 3143(b) which requires that convicted defendants seeking a stay of sentence pending resolution of appeal proceedings meet the following requirements (per Perholtz, 836 F.2d at 555): (1) Does the appeal raise a substantial question of law? and (2) If so, would the resolution of said questions in the defendant’s favor be likely to result in reversal of conviction? The answer to both questions, in Team Fitz’ opinion, is a resounding “no.”
Bonamici walks through a bit of the Congressional history of the enactment of this particular statute, giving weight to Congressional intent: that “[r]elease of a criminal defendant into the community after conviction may undermine the deterrent effect of the criminal law, especially in those situations where an appeal of conviction may drag on for many months or even years.” This statute was enacted expressly to prevent such delay in sentence being carried out where there is no substantial grounds for appeal that will likely result in an overturning of the conviction. And, as Bonamici points out repeatedly in her filing, that is exactly the situation in which Mr. Libby finds himself — a situation of his own making through his own repeated lies, I might add.
One point of legal analysis for the non-lawyers in the audience: an appeal is reviewed on a couple of levels, depending on the type of question being raised by the defendant. For a question on an evidentiary ruling, the appeals court reviews the judge’s decisions only on an “abuse of discretion” standard — meaning that unless the court sees some evidence that the presiding trial judge deliberately abused his position and made a ruling outside the normal precedents of law, there will be no reversal of the trial court judge. This is done because the trial judge is on the scene throughout proceedings and is presumed to have had the best, most grounded and in-depth understanding of the whole of the case and his decisions are, thus, given more weight on evidentiary matters over the course of a trial. On issues of law, however, decisions are reviewed “de novo,” or with a fresh look by the appellate court.
The first issue that Bonamici addresses is the one on which Team Libby is hanging it’s biggest hopes: the question of the validity of the Special Counsel appointment. This has already been litigated in the case in a prior round of motions briefs and arguments, as well as a very thorough opinion from Judge Walton. (See here [including quotes from the relevant sections of applicable code for the AG to delegate authority] and here.)
Bonamici makes a particularly salient (and snarky) point in footnote 4, page 6, that i wanted to share with everyone:
Defendant contends thatit can be inferred from thelength of this Court’s written opinion that the legal issues presented constitute substantial issues for appeal. Def. Mot. at 5. It is a strange sort of logic that infers that the likelihood of reversal increases with the thoroughness of a written opinion.
That, ladies and gentlemen, is what we like to call poking a big hole in the trial balloon.
More on the substantive arguments against each of the grounds argued by Team Libby for appeal in the next bit of analysis. To be continued…
UPDATE: Here’s a link to the brief in full (PDF) (H/T to TiredFed for the link!)
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Fitz!
Morning, Christy.
it really doesn’t matter much anymore, the pardon is in my mind forgone and concluded
think progress has this;
EPU’d (and I’m not even Evil)
nolo @ 135 (previous thread)
Good find in Fitz’s filing! Plain good morning snark…
“It is a strange sort of logic that infers that the likelihood of reversal increases with the thoroughness of a written
opinion”
perris at 3 — Since when has Condi Rice gotten anything right? Why in heaven’s name would I believe anything that comes out of her mouth? I mean, honestly?
it really doesn’t matter much anymore, the pardon is in my mind forgone and concluded
think progress
has this;
Christy Hardin Smith @ 5
well that’s a good point chisty
Do we have any time guestimates on when the ruling is coming down?
this to Senator Feinstein in a call and an email:
MS. Feinstein.
I have rarely been so proud of my votes for you as I was yesterday when a majority f the US Senate supported a vote of no confidence in A. Gonzalez. that the GOP filibustered it, does not change the effect of this vote, to show that he no longer serves with the confidence of the Senate.
damn haloscan!
here is the rest of me….
I don’t see where the filibuster changes anything. If they had gotten and up-or-down vote the effect would be the same. The resolution passed did not have an affect other than to show where most senators stand.
To write that it failed is true kabuki by the GOP and to accept the idea that it failed or derailed anything–as the MSM is saying–is true Gooper spin.
trifecta at 8 — Yes, there will likely be a ruling on this on Thursday since that is the next hearing date that Judge Walton set for this.
From AP today:
And yet, the MSM Talking Heads and Pundits are in unison in their insistence that Scooter’s punishment was too harsh and that his case for appeal is amazingly strong. Why he should probably get a big settlement from the government for persecuting him so visciously. As Uncle Bucky would say, “Ugh.” I say put the treasonous bastard in jail today and bring Fitz back for Part Deux to pick-up Shooter and Rove and, since they keep on insisting, Armitage.
More from AP:
peterboy @ 9
Why not call her office and ask when will impeachment start in the House? Since my Rep is a Repug, and Specter is ranking memeber in the Senate(and he won’t touch impeachment), I plan on calling Pelosi’s offce and asking them. i suggest we all do the same, since impeachment has to start in the house.
perris @ 3
perris, insert the name Condi Rice everywhere she said “Scooter Libby”.
She’s hoping when her own turn in the barrel comes that Bush will also treat her in accordance with her public service.
Projection, much?
AlexandriaCynic @ 13
What do the talking heads and MSM know? 90% percent of them are idiots anyway. I call it the Mutual Protection Racket. I bet Tweety and The Big Pumpkin have no clue that people laugh at them on a daily basis. I mean Tweety needs medical help(his HRC obsession) for Christmas sake. Why hasn’t NBC/GE gotten him help?
The exxon tanker Condi Rice set course for Panama and arrived in Queens. It just goes with the name.
Refresh my memory on Scooter pardon. I remember reading that a pardon is somewhat analagous to immunity, and that Scooter would then have to testify in all other related cases, towit Valerie Plame Wilson’s lawsuit. That would certainly involve revealing Cheney’s & Rove’s role in words of one syllable. Since those two control W, why would W grant a pardon? Or is my orginal premise wrong?
I wonder how long Judge Walton would give Libby to “get his affairs in order” before going to jail if he is to serve before his appeal?
Also, yesterday’s vote was disappointing, but maybe the vote was to show us how difficult an impeachment vote would be. So at least we can settle down a little bit, knowing they tried and need more 2×4s for the republicans to get it.
Impeachment in da House!
And a joy forever. Or so we hope.
Thanks for the Monk vid, & also thanks for all you are doing, CHS. We know it’s a truckload of work…
perris @ 3
oh, but he is being treated in accordance with his public service – he lied about a treasonous act! He’s just lucky he could only be charged with perjury, making false statements, and obstruction of justice, or he would be facing a firing squad.
Maybe Henry Waxman could explore Condi’s opinions of Scooter more closely when they chat next week.
trifecta @ 8
Thursday at 1:30 or shortly thereafter, I beleive.
Team Libby gives the phrase “trial balloon” new meaning.
But Bonamici’s reply raises an obvious corollary question: Does the volume of whining by the defendant’s legal team increase with the weakness of their appellate case?
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 17 asks:
Cuz Tweety and Punkinhaid are doing exactly what GE wants them to do.
GE. We bring good things to light.
Balrog @ 21
I just called Speaker Pelosi’s office. I asked the gentleman when impeachment proceedings against AGAG were gonna start. He didn’t answer but transferred me to a comment line. So I left my comments there. What else can we do to make them start impeachmment against Abu Gonzales? That is the only way Commander Guy will ever take notice.
eCAHNomics @ 19
Plus if Scoots tried to continue lying to Congress, he’d open himself immediately back to the perjury charges AGAIN.
If Only GE would do something wrong! Then NBC could report on it. Damn GE for being such a good corporate citizen!
dakine01 @ 27
Cuz Tweety and Punkinhaid are doing exactly what GE wants them to do.
This is a bit puzzling, since HRC is clearly a corporatist who is unlikely to support policies which adversely affect GE. Now if they were going after Edwards or Richardson, I would understand it more. Must simply want to discredit all Democrats.
dakine01 @ 27
Cuz Tweety and Punkinhaid are doing exactly what GE wants them to do.
Is HRC really that bad for GE? Given her comments, it would seem not. I thought Tweety and Pumpkinhead would be going harder after Obama and Edwards.
Hi Christy,
First time replyer…keep up the great work!
Question for you – has anyone begun to coordinate THE response in case there is a Libby pardon? It would be nice to hit the White House and the allies with a backlash they can feel in their gut!
Dave
perris @ 6
This really irritates me. That is like saying that Christie England should be pardoned because she served her country during a time of war.
What is wrong with these people?
(btw–Christy. Thnaks for the swampland link in the prior thread. Those comments were some of the funniest things I have read in a long time, and I needed to laugh this am)
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 33
“Asked for her views on a pardon, Rice demurred but then came to the strong defense of Libby, stating that he should be treated ‘in accordance’ with his public service.”
I’d like to see the Wilsons treated in accordance with their public service. The first Bu$h called Joe Wilson a “hero” during the Gulf War, and furthermore he demanded harsh penalties for outing covert agents. Too bad the Repuke memory doesn’t stretch back that far.
DrDick @ 32
With Dem’s in office, no matter who it may be, GE is afraid of:
A) Cutbacks in defense spending
B) Environmental clean-up requirements that would force them to acknowledge fully the amounts of pollution they have caused; not only in the Hudson River but all over the country.
Firepups–Code Pink has ‘occupied’ Rahm Emanuel’s office.
Also, there is a great video karendc made of the women who are pushing our government to do the right thing. (Called momming our gov’t). Christy is a prime example at FDL of momming and momming our gov’t. Please see the video. It represents all of us and also represents why we need to keep fighting even when we take our licking.
dakine01 @ 38
Ahhh. Good points.
OT – on the Una Vision debate. I always come late to commenting but wanted to add this. Seems Hillary can do no right, either in the eyes of the left or the right. If she doesn’t do the Spanish language (translation) debate, she is blowing off that constituency or she is cowardly avoiding looking bad. If she does that debate, she will be criticized all to hell for any faux pas or for pandering to the Hispanic community or aligning herself with amnesty for illegal immgrants. I suggest we remember who the enemy is – the Republicans. Wonder who among those candidates is a fluent Spanish speaker? Also, that community is tired of the token phrases of George Bush (quartro y media! quieres una cerveza?) which his crowd says represent his close ties with Latinos. We in Texas know better.
We complain that the media is shallow, would rather report on a missing blond or Paris Hilton. . . but our comments show some vacuousness also. Many of Hillary’s positions are fair game – let’s call her on those. But she has been a constant worker and serious strategizer all her life. If she is our candidate, I will support her. Only Gore, in my mind, would be preferred.
DrDick @ 36
Tweety’s writing a book… we should have
a “name that book” contest
Hmmm, for once I agree w/ Dr. Rice. Let’s examine his public service, shall we?
-An accomplice to the lies that led this nation to a war often called ‘the worst foreign policy disaster’ in history.
-An accomplice to the betrayal of one of our spies resulting the ‘outing’ of an entire network.
Christy Hardin Smith: “For a question on an evidentiary ruling, the appeals court reviews the judge’s decisions only on an “abuse of discretion” standard — meaning that unless the court sees some evidence that the presiding trial judge deliberately abused his position and made a ruling outside the normal precedents of law, there will be no reversal of the trial court judge.”
Hi Christy! Just a quick question, for clarification. Aren’t evidentiary appeals usually made during the discovery process?
Or is that just typical of civil suits?
This is from think progress. WTF???
Last night on Fox News’s Hannity and Colmes, right-wing pundit Dick Morris claimed that if Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) becomes president, she “will not withdraw from Iraq.” His evidence? She’s a woman. “As a woman, she would not want that record,”
special K @ 39
I don’t know how to get “youtube” link but I saw it at kos.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/12/7625/60422
http://www.dailykos.com/commen…..422/11#c11
perris @ 3
Hmmm…Kindasleeza finally got it right. When one betrays a covert member of the CIA, one should indeed be treated in accordance with that particular public service.
And going to jail sounds about right to me. Jeez Kindasleeza, out of the mouth of a weasel, comes truth…who knew?
Dear legal eagle firepups: can Team Libby file a motion for release on bond to the appeal court, and if so, how soon after Walton rules on whether Scooter goes to the big house?
Hey Christy and FDlers. The Diane Rehm show is discussing blogs and their influence on journalism right now. “We are all journalist now” that is the topic
How about writing or calling from FDL. I did. drshow@wamu.org 1800-433-8850
Christy,
Are there not some very serious implications for the White House if there is a presidential pardon? Such as along the lines of obstruction of justice? Libby worked for both Bush and Cheney and a pardon could be viewed as a continuation of the obstruction of justice for which Libby was convicted.
Any thoughts?
I just love footnotes . . . Walton’s the other day and now Bonamici’s!
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 17
I keep telling Dan Abrams to have a sex therapist review tapes of Tweety’s shows.
Peterr @ 51
Footnotes for Snarks
I like to think that she’s also poking them in they eye.
Please contact drshow@wamu.org about the power of blogs and FDL. I let them know that I posted (is that the right term) at FDL that her show was discussing the effect of blogs on journalism. Please contact the show about the power of FDL and other blogs
Also to the Legal Eagles: It’s been said that Libby won’t be pardoned because then he could be forced to testify before Congress. What happened to that line of thinking?
Janda @ 45
So Bush doesn’t want to leave Iraq because he’s a woman. I always suspected it.
I have yet to see a comparison of Libby’s sentence to that of the couple who served alcohol to minors at a party in Virginia.
I understand the mother in that case reported for her 27 month sentence this past Monday.
I find the 30 month sentence of Libby for perjury in a matter on national security to be far more lenient.
Before someone does the MADD number on this commentary, think about the life and death consequences of each action.
The magnitude of the specter of death and destruction from the underage drinking incident pales in comparison with the hundreds of thousands killed, maimed, injured, and the millions left without a home as a result of the vanity war in Iraq of the Bush Administration.
I urge all talking heads to pick up this story and use it like a club to verbally whip those apologists for Libby and the Administration.
Let them compare sentences for serving minors alcohol at a party to Libby’s sentence and tell the cameras their version of reality with a straight face.
They will accomplish the task because they don’t care. Their values are about gaining, wielding, and holding power, nothing more.
SusanD @ 57
What a nasty thing to say about women.
you know what pisses me off?
the democrats are allowing this libby thing seem benign
they need to get with the program, they need to say “anyone that thinks covering up the tracks of triators should be pardoned is a traitor themself”
they need to do this immediatley, before the pardon comes
DrDick, you’re right. I just couldn’t resist the absurdity of their argument.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 29
I think Pat Leahy et al are working to develop the evidence first. Then they can offer it up to the House (an offer they can’t refuse).
perris @ 60
And repeatedly. Over, and over, and over. 24/7. No let up at all. Take a lesson from the GOP noise machine and make it impossible to escape the meme.
Rice’s statement: she’s projecting… they all do that in Bushland.
Thank you, Christy!
I’ve been wondering if it’s time to start crying yet over this and everything since 2000. I’ve been bravely holding off except for a watering eye here and there. You give me hope.
special K @ 39
Pink T-shirt = $19.99
Pink Foam Crown = $7.99
Pink Lipstick = $12.49
Occupying Rahm Emmanuel’s office = Priceless
Rarely would I come to Tweety’s defense, but he did challenge the Libby apologist yesterday (Broder maybe?) and repeatedly inserted that acceptance of a pardon equals admission of guilt.
OT, but Joe4Joe Lieberloser voted NO as predicted on the vote to even consider the Abu Gonzales No Confidence vote.
Who knew that the Weasel Joe4Joe and the Skunk Repugs would be against Justice in the Justice Department?
Why, we did, doncha know?
SusanD @ 61
Unfortunately, Dubya’s only natural constituency is sociopathic serial killers. Comparisons to any other group is unfair to that other group.
DrDick @ 63
that’s exactly right, the democrats need to copy that tactic cuz it works
My only hope is that they throw him in jail and his angry wife sings like a bird to the public about how his buddies screwed him.
He will be pardoned, no doubt, but his brief incarceration will make her howl to the heavens.
‘Hell hath no fury….’
Solai @ 43
let’s look at the entire record, shall we? developer (along with Wolfowitz) of the pre-emptive war doctrine (at first considered so poisonous and unAmerican it had to be rewritten), founding member of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC), who openly advocated attacking Iraq back in 1998! and there’s more. much more.
perris @ 69
The biggest disadvantage we have here is that the top down structure of the conservative movement makes it easier and more effective to coordinate their message. The openness of the progressive movement makes it harder to get everyone “on message”, but we need to try to get as many progressives as possible to project this message every time they speak publicly about the issue.
Solai @ 56
Are you really certain that this bunch ever thinks things through?
I mean Bushwacko and crew are always stating that “no one could imagine that our actions would have these results.” It happens so often that you’d think someone would have set it to music by now.
Solai @ 56
Republics have demonstrated that they are very capable of inhibiting action in Congress. They must be secretly thankful that they didn’t change all the rules a few years ago.
And the link to this brief is exactly … where?
pseudonymous in nc @ 48
IANAL but I believe this is why Wells was in such a hurry to get Fitz to respond (gave him the weekend to rebut their motion to release Libby), to go over Walton’s head on appeal before the clock runs out. Libby has 6-8 weeks of freedom left before the Bureau of Prisons comes up with a free bed.
Well, he could have Paris’ old bed.
Personally, though, I’d like to see him marched off to the Colorado SuperMax.
Rice demurred but then came to the strong defense of Libby, stating that he should be treated ‘in accordance’ with his public service.”
Never heard calls for that when Clinton was going thru impeachment.
scribe @ 75
here ya go: Fitz Response to Release on Appeal Motion
Bonamici?…Goodling. Bonamici?…Goodling. Bonamici probably went to a ‘real’ law school. How this administration embarrasses its self with absolutely no shame.
Christy, your analysis is always worth waiting for. thanks so much. looking forward to the next installment.
Stepping back from the details, what strikes me is the resources WH and its neocon proxies are devoting to the liberation of Scooter, on the legal front and the PR front.
Why such a heavy investment of resources? Are they scared Scooter will flip if they fail, and rat out Cheney?
If Libby gets a pardon for Lying to Protect Cheney, then Rice reasons she ought to get a pardon for Lying to Protect Bush. (This is how Gooper “loyalty reasoning” works.)
Totally self-serving, not to mention barking on command…The Secretary of State.
There’s hardly any veneer left – the Goopers are de-cloaking into their base position of “You can’t touch those protected by the Unitary Executive.”
And in the meantime, the bus is running so hard for the Iran cliff that the dust cloud can be seen for miles.
madness…
Prairie Sunshine @ 77
The U.S. Justice system put Paris Hilton in jail, will they put Libby behind bars? What about Judy Miller, Robert Novak, Ari Fleisher, Cheney, etc?
What a justice system…simply not just!
TiredFed @ 62
I hope so. I plan on calling Feingold’s office after lunch. Snarlin’ Arlen is my Senator, but he’s no good.
azportsider @ 37
GHWB is so 9/10.
Elliott @ 52
Do you ever get a reply from Abrams?
Bonamici “can of legal whoop ass”
OT ~ Need a laugh? Note at :58 secs…someone in the crowd steals his watch. ~ Bush in Albania
Still time to write the drshow@wamu.org that Firedoglake will be blogging from the Libby trial and what a powerful and infomative blog FDL is!
TPM says that Scholzman is “clarifying” his testimony WRT attorneygate. Not clear what the clarifications are.
How about that poor kid in Georgia whose case was “voided” the other day by the judge who ordered him to be released from jail, however, the prosecutors are appealing the ruling, and he’s still sitting in jail.
special K @ 39
This is great. The more to embarrass Emanuel, the better. It is too bad people can’t “occupy” his office every day.
TiredFed @ 62
Re the evidence. I happened upon this yesterday at TNH. Apparently impeachment voids the right to executive privledge. All evidence must come out. I’m looking at you, Karl.
ccmask @ 78
Yeah. Probably because there weren’t any unindicted co-conspirators in Clinton’s White House.
As Marcy has so neatly pointed out this morning, Condi is really conducting a dialogue about the pardon via the WSJ.
Right under prosecution’s nose, too.
Is there a link to the filing or is it a go to Pacer thing?
Bon Amici could have also added in her footnote that, based on the per/page approach, the “legal scholars arguments must have really sucked. ;-)
Here’s a link to a kos diary I did yesterday that provides some history on the statutes and regs and the Bork 12 approach. http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..152815/948
This issue is why I keep mentioning that, no, Fitzgerald did not have the authority to go taking frolics and detour on his investigation and yes, he does have to worry about overstepping his bounds by doin things like releasing information that he said when he was appointed he would not be releasing.
Here’s a talkleft post with some nitty gritty comments for those who like digging in the legalisms
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2007/6/10/12254/0078
BTW – Mike Nifong is having hearings before his state bar on his public statements in connection with a case and trying to explain why it is he shouldn’t be disbarred. Which is what apparently happens when you abuse your position to make public statements to influence a case – - or at least, sometimes that’s what happens. Now, if only he’d been able to intone, “terrorists, terrorists, terrorists” then I guess he wouldn’t have to worry.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 85
Who do you think we should run against him?
Lou Costello @ 89
OMG!!
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 87
No, but I keep emailing him.
OT–Blogwhoring, actually:
I put this up late in the afternoon, yesterday: a Gallup Poll on religiousity
http://thewell-armedlamb.blogs…..tupid.html
then this morning, i bravely essayed to assay the ore in Paris “the whOre”:
http://walled-in-pond.blogspot…..-lord.html
and then, at the Guitar, you can listen as Neil Young explains how he changed sides:
http://woodyguthriesguitar.blogspot.com/
i’ll be out most of the day, i reckon. gotta start the swamp coolers at a couple of places. Have a good day.
Diane @ 66
That was Frum. He also scared me cuz he says there’s a third “out” that Bush can provide to Libby; not commutation, and not pardon, but something (sorry can’t remmeber the name) that only sets aside the sentance.
Helen @ 94
isnt Marcy great? There’s also no appeal to the Supreme Court available, either. Rhenquist himself pretty much ruled that out: On January 13, 1993, Supreme Court Chief Justice William Rehnquist put his dictionaries away and settled any doubts about all three cases. On behalf of a unanimous court, he ruled that authority over impeachment trials “is reposed in the Senate and nowhere else.” (Source: Senate.gov)
TiredFed @ 62
Oh please, oh please.
I think ally’all are gonna turn blue, holding your breath waiting for the Congress to make the impeachment move.
the SCUM–to say nothing at all about the Fucktard Echo Chamber–will never allow it to get that far…
nagahapun…
./
Mary @ 96
it’s a PACER thing, but selise has a copy here: Do Not Pass Go
Helen @ 101
One of the clowns on MSNBC was talking about this, W can just snap his fingers and he doesn’t have to go to the joint. They said even CLINTON had done it!
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 87
Matthews does seem to have an obsession with the Clintons and seems intent on taking them out. But if folks would actually watch the show you would know that Matthews is one of the only MSMers who has been hammering the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots the last four years. He questions their regime change agenda in the middle east and questions the pre-emptive unilateral strategies. He has
also asked simple and relevant question when they repeat unsubstantiated claims about Iran’s ‘alleged” nuclear weaspon program. Like “where’s the verifiable evidence?”
I don’t agree with a great deal of what Matthews has to say on some issues. But I am not sorry to say that he is one of the only MSMer’s hammering the right wing zealots.
According to Frum- who was on the tube yesterday, the best option open to Clusterfuck is a “commutation” that only postpones imprisonment through the appeal process (assuming the judge says “go directly to jail”.)
There’s no pardon- and Libby would still have to serve his time if he loses his appeals- or if Cluterfuck gives him a full scale pardon as he makes his way out the door.
Sounds like a pretty good bet. I’ll out Broadway and Park Place and five hotels on it.
Commutation?raven @ 106
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 93
Code Pink on the front lines in congress! Go Medea and Team Code Pink!
kathleen @ 107
Since the dreaded Imus was banished.
What a waste of time, by that I mean why don’t Paris and Scooter just go to feaking jail (or tell the truth, not commit crimes, etc)… that way Fitz and the like can continue to do their jobs and investigate and prosecute more criminals.
What does Scooter want to stay free to “save the children”?
I like how the judge asked if all those “high powered elite” will expend their energy on the thousands of people who can’t afford Scooters billion dollar defense – or if its just another case of using the a “Justice” whitewash to try and achieve pathetic political gain.
Obama needs to get off his ass and vote.
TiredFed 79 – when I go to your link, after the first page I get messages that it can’t be read and the program has to be shut down – I’m on my quirky laptop and non-techy, so it is probably a problem on my end, but a heads up just in case.
Re: Libby and pardon and the 5th. I never was big on that as a reason for him not to get pardoned. He would only be exempted from taking the 5th on things related to what he was pardoned for – the lies on Plame. On those – what else is he going to say? He’s already said hours worth on Grand Jury tapes and he’s not likely to say anything much or different. He “can’t remember” and “didn’t know” she was “covert” etc. etc.
I’ve always leaned towards the fact that father like son – HW was much less reckless and egotistical than his son, and he pardoned freely (look at W’s current Iran “expert”). If this was all taking place in 2003 or 2004 and there might be an impact on Bush’s own re-election, the calculus would be different, but I say he pardons once it looks like Libby will actually be in jail for very long.
I think they have put their chips on Silberman at the Appellate Court
Off-topic (again)…apologies. I didn’t know if anyone has heard much about this:
Think about the effect this would have, combined with the elimination of net neutrality, on what you see or hear.
Sclozman corrects his testimony
Biodun @ 14
“overwhelming” Will Walton buckle under the pressure from those “connected at their roots?”
excellent stuff here CHS!
i, too will be updating throughout
the day, on mine as well — for example:
now — i feel particularly proud to have
used this very same phrase: “an argument for
a change in the law” does not
make a substantial or close question under
18 UCS § 3143(b). . . (he he!) team fitz
uses that very same turn-of-phrase
to dispose of the graybeards — at foot-
note 11, on page 13 of their filing:
and, as the 12 graybeards well know, this
one would have to go up only on a per-
missive grant of cert. — thus mister
scoots is lookin’ at jail-time. and soon.
that is — there is no mandatory review
jurisdiction on this case, before the united states
supreme court, under any applicable statute or case law. . .
LS @ 98
The only thing worse that him going abroad, is when he is here in ‘merica.
kathleen @ 84
Kathleen – Paris Hilton faced state and/or county charges in California rather than federal charges.
The Albanians were all in on a ruse to ‘punk’ George W. Bush out of his watch. They actually hate him.
-GSD
Mary @ 113
Mary, please check to be sure the .pdf extension is in the file name. one of the links I posted this morning doesnt have it and it goes kablooey! here’s a fresh one: Go Directly to Jail
Clusterfuck stole the Pope-a-dope’s watch?
Rice’s comment induced a new round of depression in me. It’s like getting kicked in the face all over again. We had this discussion a few days ago on the apparent belief of the DC elite that the law is for ‘little people’. I’ve been thinking about this alot, and it seems to reflect not just a view, but a situation. The situation is that for our ‘masters’, politics is just another kind of selling. It takes a lot of money, just as selling Chevy trucks takes a lot of money, but the pitches usually work unless you have an Edsel (read Iraq). National elections are just something that for reasons of tradition, the elite have to put their reps through on a regular basis. It’s not a feedback system, because our politics is now so centralized; all the feedback is internal to the Beltway.
I was thinking about my Representative. We played together in Middle school 50 years ago. He’s been a Congressmen since 1974. He lives in DC. Much to my surprise, his son dated the daughter of a friend of mine who was the top man at the Fed for international monetary matters and later a deputy Sec of Treasury. It’s all Washington all the time. No place for outsiders.
It’s the Cokie Roberts syndrome.
The law is for little people. It makes me sick and depressed. Thank you all for keeping up the good fight. It’s an uphill struggle, what with gerrymandered districts that ensure a permanent ruling class.
Prairie Sunshine @ 77
How about stocks in the public square while pending appeal?
spurious @ 103
I am gonna call both Leahy and Feingold’s office after lunch. I want to see what they have to say. And I will not hesitate to tell them that Specter is worthless.
grape_crush @ 115
Think about the effect this would have, combined with the elimination of net neutrality, on what you see or hear.
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rwcole @ 123
no, silly. He called him Sir and said How ya doin’ ?, they was in Texas. Not.
I guess our guy never heard the phrase, When in Rome….
I just find it yet another thing to be SO embarrased about. Talk about looking like a hick.
Peterr @ 26
demi aka dmoore @ 119
How is America different than Albania? He doesn’t face anything but adoring crowds here. Same thing there. When was the last time he faced anything G-8 like here in America? He doesn’t. Ever notice where he gives his speeches? Places like AEI, where they love him to no end.
Bill Kristol ” In any case, it’s not about Bush’s feelings. The Constitution says nothing about the president’s feelings. It does, however, in Article II, Section Two, give the president the power to pardon. To govern is to choose. Not to pardon is, now–given the verdict, and the likelihood of a prison term–itself a choice. Not to pardon would be a foolish and unjust choice for the president to make. But more important, not to pardon–or, at the very least, not to commute the sentence by eliminating the jail sentence–would be a dishonorable choice. For one could only interpret such a choice as driven by vanity and fastidiousness–the president’s desire to separate himself from someone who has gotten into trouble, a desire not to tarnish his own legacy by pardoning the top staffer of his unpopular vice president. One might add that Libby’s “crime” came about as he tried to defend the Bush administration from the charge that it knowingly–that the president knowingly–lied us into a difficult and unpopular war.
http://www.theweeklystandard.c…..9vayto.asp
I think there’s a tradition of presidential candidates staying away (recusing, in a way) from political football votes – like the ‘no confidence’ vote yesterday.
Everyone’s going to keep their glass houses squeaky clean…for now.
The Libby Obstruction to cover Cheney is Obvious. Rice didn’t tell (obstructed) the 911 Commission about her July 10th meeting with Tenet and Black to cover Bush. We know we went to War on Lies to serve an Agenda.
The gloves are off. Who are we kidding anymore?
We need a vote that counts – impeach Gonzo!
I’ll be pleasantly surprised if Libby- (super patriot and all american “dad”) everspends five minutes in prison- I’ll be totally shocked.
Loyal goopers don’t go to jail for protecting fellow goopers- ain’ta gonna happen.
Is Ghouliani soliciting campaign contributions from Israeli citizens? Perhaps, the request only appears in the Jerusalem Post circulated in the U.S.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/6/12/104849/871
demi aka dmoore @ 128
Silly me, I thought a president was supposed to have people who briefed him in appropriate diplomatic etiquette. What do you want to bet that Der Shrubbenfuhrer ignores them just like he ignores his constituency?
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 120
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 130
perris @ 60
spot-on… I hope SOMEONE is listening.
FDL in general and your work in particular is becoming the absolute standard for news reporting and analyis of these detail ridden stories. Your selection of subjects and your ability to present those subjects in sufficient detail and clear explication for the intelligent reader is the first tier of journalism in the modern milieu. We can only say thank you but we all owe you a real debt for your contribution to our understanding.
PS;
Joe Klein has no conscience…
But it’s a chuckler of a blog name, that’s for sure.
If they had a watch they’d know it was Bush time, and Bush time ain’t no time to be in that there crowd.
Silly me, I thought a president was supposed to have people who briefed him in appropriate diplomatic etiquette. What do you want to bet that Der Shrubbenfuhrer ignores them just like he ignores his constituency?
You are correct, oh evil one.
Who exactly does he listen to? And, please don’t say God. It’s just too too.
Raw Story headline: Sen. slams Justice official for reversing testimony: Soon…
part deux up now…
kathleen @ 131
make my day. pardon Libby. and let the impeachment proceedings begin.
Christy or anyone. What time is the hearing on Thursday? I am going to try to rope a group of 19-21 year olds to the Ohio University library to all participate in the FDL discussion on line if that is o.k. with folks. I convinced my youngest daughter last week to come on FDL and two of her friends
when Senator Dodd was on a FDL live vlog (he answered their questions as they were watching it was so exciting for them)
What time and is it Wednesdy or Thursday?
Propagandee @ 129
So are they doing their case harm by whining so much?
demi aka dmoore @ 137
that would be hilarious. someone used to do running IMs between Clinton and W on HuffPo. They were pretty funny.
c’mon along to legalpalooza part 2….
or hang around the MSM and watch Bushie arrive at Congress…does he have a new watch?
kathleen @ 146
believe it is 1:30 on Thursday. Marcy probably took note.
TiredFed @ 148
Was that Wonkette? Don’t remember, but, yeah…really funny.
I see Part II is up. Gonna take a break to go out and find a new dog leash. Industrial Strength. This new puppy of mine is eating EVERYTHING!
Later….
18 more months of this dumber than dirt fuckhead screwin up the country- a bit early to put in spirits to celebrate his leaving- but time to start considering what sort of spirits to put away.
Somthing about the Rice reasoning eludes me. Like we have this nice little boy so we do not punish him when he knocks the hell out of the kid next door. What am I missing?
Help. When I try to link to the PDF of the filing, I end up at TBOGG blog. Being nearly 60, these things happen.
THANKS.
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daulan @ 154
well, I’m right behind you at 50. try this link: Fitz Reply
Christy, thank you for the Thelonius Monk – one of my absolute faves. I haven’t read the post yet, gotta go back now.
nellieh @ 80
Yeah, shame, contrition, sorrow for the effects of their behavior, those are missing from the people who are most sociopathic. They should receive a just sentence.
However, there can’t possibly be an entire administration of sociopaths (first, they’d probably kill each other), so I think we could easily expect a few whistle-blowers (like Comey) who will be well-regarded and well-treated by Congress when they talk about Gonzales, the firing of the USAs, the WH Iraq Group and various other things. In some cases they should even be allowed to speak in private so as to have a life after having talked.