uno?

Go Jane!

ME!!!lol

oppps…lol

Getting “all the way to the end of the book” is so pre-9/11.

Jane!!!

When is this balloon finally going to be punctured? The local readership of WaPo are highly educated, actually read books mostly to the end, and can be expected to sift the grain from the chaff. Exactly who are these nincompoops writing for? This newspaper business is getting so self-referential that it would make a Harold Bloom dizzy.

I think the GOP is scared to death of Gore. Wouldn’t it be interesting to have a Gore vs. Thompson match. I believe Gore would trounce Fredy.

I want Gore in ‘08!

WaPoO “media critic” Howie Kurtz weighed in on this during Monday’s chat:

New York: I know columnists are given more leeway than straight reporters, but does Washington Post allow its columnists to write abject falsehoods? The first sentence in Andrew Ferguson column is “you can’t really blame Al Gore for not using footnotes in his new book, ‘The Assault on Reason.’ ” But if you take two seconds to open Mr. Gore’s book, you see that it has extensive footnotes — 20 pages worth. Does The Post have any standards at all for its op-ed pages, or are we back to the days when anyone can make up anything they want about Al Gore?

Howard Kurtz: It’s a piece in Outlook, the Sunday opinion section. Since I don’t have the book, I can’t rule on whether the book contained footnotes or not, but certainly editors try to prevent factual errors even in opinion pieces.

TeddySanFran @ 5

Getting “all the way to the end of the book” is so pre-9/11.

LOL, but in truth, Fergusen could have known about the endnotes, he just chose to lie.

This way a falsehood gets spread thru the RW toobz and becomes a talking point…one more of the Al Gore is a serial liar.

That it eventually gets shot down won’t be repeated…just like the internet story.

It is disgusting.

Jane,
You do realize that Ferguson’s email address is at the bottom of the op-ed, right? ;-)

P.S. Yes, I am sending him the link to the column in about 15 seconds.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 8

I think the GOP is scared to death of Gore. Wouldn’t it be interesting to have a Gore vs. Thompson match. I believe Gore would trounce Fredy.

I want Gore in ‘08!

Somerby makes a good point about how they’ve got it in for him because he betrayed his class. Which I think has a lot to do with it.

Looks like Mudcat thinks he can take his place in a NASCAR hat. Probably not going to happen.

TeddySanFran @ 9

WaPoO “media critic” Howie Kurtz weighed in on this during Monday’s chat:

New York: I know columnists are given more leeway than straight reporters, but does Washington Post allow its columnists to write abject falsehoods? The first sentence in Andrew Ferguson column is “you can’t really blame Al Gore for not using footnotes in his new book, ‘The Assault on Reason.’ ” But if you take two seconds to open Mr. Gore’s book, you see that it has extensive footnotes — 20 pages worth. Does The Post have any standards at all for its op-ed pages, or are we back to the days when anyone can make up anything they want about Al Gore?

Howard Kurtz: It’s a piece in Outlook, the Sunday opinion section. Since I don’t have the book, I can’t rule on whether the book contained footnotes or not, but certainly editors try to prevent factual errors even in opinion pieces.

Hacktacular Howie said that? Boy is HE confused (nothing at all new about that). Lil Debbie’s been saying for months now that opinion writers do their own fact checking and corrections IIRC.

By the way, here is Ferguson’s email address:

aferguson61@comcast.net

It is listed at the bottom of the article. Also, there is now a correction at the top of the article on the ComPost’s website.

I cant imagine why Gore would write this book if he wasnt going to run. This book should be read in schools all over the country.
I am half way through and its not a hard read but very thought provoking.
I still think Gore feels this early, never ending campaigning is obscene and he wants no part of it.( I heard him say this on Larry King)

Jane, I’m awed by your talents.

Jane - Really sorry for this OT, so early, but…I’m trying to help Bree Walker who is buying Camp Casey to help find a bio-fuel bus to get folks there for a Peace Rally. Information on Bree at Bradblog, June 9th piece. (sorry, can’t link the specific articles)
You have my email…oh, beautiful powers that be, right? Your voice would be so much stronger than mine. I have more info to share, if you have time to help. And, THANK YOU!

http://www.ufppc.org/content/view/818/39/
“For a reliable pedigree, cite p. 40 of The Lincoln Encyclopedia, by Archer H. Shaw (Macmillan, 1950, NY). That traces the quote’s lineage to p. 954 of Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait, (Vol. 2) by Emanuel Hertz (Horace Liveright Inc, 1931, NY).”

dakine01 — I thought HK’s construction

certainly editors try to prevent factual errors even in opinion pieces

was particularly fine parsing.
====
Sounds like someone got tired of hearing from the DFH bloggers:

Correction to This Article
Andrew Ferguson’s June 10 Outlook article, “What Al Wishes Abe Said,” said that former vice president Al Gore’s book “The Assault on Reason” does not contain footnotes. The book contains 20 pages of endnotes.

Jane - this news, albeit off topic, is important:
McNulty to testify before House Judiciary Committee

ThinkProgress very recently reported the following:

Salon’s Tim Grieve reports that Paul McNulty, who recently resigned as Deputy Attorney General, will testify next week:

Word just in from the House Judiciary Committee: The Subcommittee on Commercial and Administrative Law will hold a hearing next week related to “The Continuing Investigation Into the U.S. Attorney Controversy and Related Matters.”

The witness: Paul McNulty, who has announced his resignation as deputy attorney general and — in the wake of attempts by Gonzales and Monica Goodling to implicate him in the U.S. attorney mess — may suddenly be feeling a little talkative.

UPDATE: ThinkProgress has confirmed with the House Judiciary Committee that McNulty’s hearing will be Tuesday, June 19, at 1:00 PM.

(my emphasis)

Ruining Running a newspaper is hard work.

Well, he also says that Gore made up the quote, and that’s absolute BS as many commentors on the WP site point out.

Most people won’t read past the article though, and a new “lie” by Gore will be invented.

The WP sucks.

Absolutely infuriating!! They don’t want anybody to read Gore’s book. Too f**king late!

TeddySanFran @ 5

Getting “all the way to the end of the book” is so pre-9/11.

The WaPo is proving Gore’s point for him. Daily.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 8

I think the GOP is scared to death of Gore. Wouldn’t it be interesting to have a Gore vs. Thompson match. I believe Gore would trounce Fredy.

I want Gore in ‘08!

I concur that they are terrified of him as well. He makes too much sense and could actually help make the country a better place through his leadership and wisdom. He also wants to enlighten people and we simply can’t have that. The unwashed masses simply cannot be allowed to peek behind the Oz curtain.

All moneyed forces will stop at nothing to stop him. Can they stop netroots, I wonder? Is this a really stupid question?

I live on the west coast and although we have easy access to the New York Times in print, I have never seen a Washington Post here. So for everyone who thinks the whole country will know about this review, they won’t.

Stupid trolls with megaphones. It really is “Al Gore’s internet”. He said he was instrumental in creating it (not “inventing it”) and the scientists who invented the technology agree.

I hate our stupid corporate media and the vapid members of its world. They make the likes of Paris Hilton seem intellectual.

The Washington Post used to be a damned good paper–in the days of Katharine Graham.

Reading Ferguson’s piece again (spit!) it really needs more than a correction. The central thesis of the piece is that Gore’s book is non-factual and without noted references. If untrue, the piece can’t be “corrected” — it fails utterly.

I wonder if there’s someone who could address this at the WaPo? Does anyone know if the paper employs an Ombudsman? *g*

I meant to ask Murray Waas this last Sunday.
Is there any truth to the rumor that the Washington Post is considering opening up a news bureau in DC?

C’mon, Jane. You don’t expect him to actually read the book he is reviewing, do you? I mean he already knows everything he needs to know to state his impeccably credentialed opinion without actually working at it (or thinking, God forbid). That is how our modern punditocracy works: fact free navel gazing.

Here’s a note; I just looked for the 1999 Schwartz article mentioned. It’s not up on the AL Society newsletters online. . . methinks he made it up.

TeddySanFran @ 29

Reading Ferguson’s piece again (spit!) it really needs more than a correction. The central thesis of the piece is that Gore’s book is non-factual and without noted references. If untrue, the piece can’t be “corrected” — it fails utterly.

I wonder if there’s someone who could address this at the WaPo? Does anyone know if the paper employs an Ombudsman? *g*

By Ombudsman, if you mean an advocate for the reader who corrects errors of fact and keeps the editors and reporters honest, no they don’t.

The Republicans, and Bush is number one at this, have been lying about everything for the past ten years to get their way. Look at the lies they spout about immigration, or the success of tax-cuts, or Iraq, or wire-tapping, or energy policy, or environmental policy, etc. They can’t tell the truth because it disagrees with their policies. If you tell the truth, you’re just being political, they say.

While it’s true papers like WaPo, and WSJ are guilty of churning out these lies, nothing is going to change until there are consequences. As long as politicians tell lies, the American media seems fine with printing it. So, we need to get the politicians. Impeach Gonzo for a start. He lies to congress and is still AG. WTF? Is that WaPo’s fault?

As Molly Ivins once said of the chattering classes’ bizarre rage at Hillary Clinton (a dislike that is not grounded in her politics or actions, but is simply left over from their ten-year witchhunt from the 1990s): “Most people have a very hard time forgiving those whom they have deeply wronged.”

Ergo, the DC press corps will never, ever forgive Al Gore, because they have spent the better part of two decades wronging him up one side and down the other. And they can never, ever admit that they did so.

Why doesn’t Gore just sue the crap out of them? They made a correction, okay. But how many people read an article once, then go back to read a correction? This madness has to stop. Conyers ought to sue Fox too. It’s time to have some accountability. I realize that honest mistakes can be made, but this WP article seems like deliberate character defamation or whatever the legal term may be.

Go Jane at the “Take back America” awards! Your leadership and initiative as a concerned citizen is an inspiration! You have provided another powerful outlet and tool for concerned citizens to practice vigilance and share information in regard to what our elected leaders, our government and our military are doing. FDL is a new “deliberative body” for good! Thank you!

The right (wrong) will be attacking Gore in force as the tidal wave to RE-ELECT GORE breaks!

GeorgeSimian @ 34

The Republicans, and Bush is number one at this, have been lying about everything for the past ten years to get their way. Look at the lies they spout about immigration, or the success of tax-cuts, or Iraq, or wire-tapping, or energy policy, or environmental policy, etc. They can’t tell the truth because it disagrees with their policies. If you tell the truth, you’re just being political, they say.

While it’s true papers like WaPo, and WSJ are guilty of churning out these lies, nothing is going to change until there are consequences. As long as politicians tell lies, the American media seems fine with printing it. So, we need to get the politicians. Impeach Gonzo for a start. He lies to congress and is still AG. WTF? Is that WaPo’s fault?

Yes, it is. They can get away with it because the press won’t do its job and call them on it. The press is the number one reason IOKIYAR exists.

old gold @ 30

I meant to ask Murray Waas this last Sunday.
Is there any truth to the rumor that the Washington Post is considering opening up a news bureau in DC?

No.

Gore’s new book is fantastic. Also, he WILL be the next POTUS. I expect him to announce just after winning the Nobel Peace Prize.

Meanwhile, back at the Swamp … I don’t think Mudcat’s pesudo apology is going too well.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 8

I think the GOP is scared to death of Gore. Wouldn’t it be interesting to have a Gore vs. Thompson match. I believe Gore would trounce Fredy.

I want Gore in ‘08!

Although I like Gore I still wish the American people would wake up to the talents of Clark. Most Americans don’t realize that he has a grasp of the economic situation like Clinton. The top percentages are living like it’s in the twenties and that’s what I’m afraid of…
They just see the General in front of his name.

Jane — did you happen to see Lil’ Debbie’s reply to a reader who complained about this particular lack of fact checking?

Apparently she is also asking for a drubbing; I guess I didn’t take her for a submissive pain freak, but there you go.

Good God I am so sick of these lying liars and their lies!

Speaking of fact free hot air, wrt Dratty’s post @157 on previous thread re professional BS writer Frum: if former presidents used respite and he is going to be so offhand about it, please state specific instances if you are so frigging knowledgable.

I’m so sick of these sh*theads thinking we’re so stupid! I may not know my history, but I expect some TRUE FACTS to back up their ACCUSATIONS!

Sorry to SHOUT…but I’m so sick of it! How does FDL keep birddogging the BS. How? OK, I’m going to ask for a dosage adjustment now. gasp.

Andrew Ferguson is a disgrace to the name, and all Scots.

Ferguson: It goes without saying that Gore isn’t the first politician to enlist Lincoln, however spuriously, in a pet cause. In 1992, Ronald Reagan used his last appearance at a GOP convention to warn of a liberal ascendancy that threatened Lincoln’s cherished Republican principles.

Ehh, you left out Bush and his pundit minions. A few months back they were trying to put the Lincoln mantle on Bush because Iraq is going up in flames. Not doing much of that these days are ya?

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 20

Jane - this news, albeit off topic, is important:
McNulty to testify before House Judiciary Committee

ThinkProgress very recently reported the following:

Salon’s Tim Grieve reports that Paul McNulty, who recently resigned as Deputy Attorney General, will testify next week:

UPDATE: ThinkProgress has confirmed with the House Judiciary Committee that McNulty’s hearing will be Tuesday, June 19, at 1:00 PM.

(my emphasis)

Thanks for going “off topic”. Only a few here at FDL will selectively attack you when you bring up issues that they do not want talked about! This is important news.

The only thing wrong with Gore is that he put Holy Joe LIEberman on the ticket. He’s got some explaning to do on that one. BIG TIME.

On a less serious note; I don’t want anyone to worry about their tax dollars at work:

http://world-o-crap.com/blog/

Ferguson: It goes without saying that Gore isn’t the first politician to enlist Lincoln, however spuriously, in a pet cause. In 1992, Ronald Reagan used his last appearance at a GOP convention to warn of a liberal ascendancy that threatened Lincoln’s cherished Republican principles.

If it goes without saying, STFU, *sshole. Ugh.

hayduke @ 48

The only thing wrong with Gore is that he put Holy Joe LIEberman on the ticket. He’s got some explaning to do on that one. BIG TIME.

Now at the time Liebermans voting record was pretty liberal so even though he was not someone I would have chosen his track record wasn’t bad.

kathleen @ 47
Thanks for going “off topic”. Only a few here at FDL will selectively attack you when you bring up issues that they do not want talked about! This is important news.

Let’s try to get past that…peace.

Well, you can’t just blame “the press” because it’s like blaming “the Government”. It’s too vague and just sounds conspiratorial. The problem with American news is that it tries to tell a two-sided view of everything, and these liars take advantage of that. So, if you don’t agree with them - even if it’s a lie - then you must be from the Left Wing. So the more Right Wing crap they shout out, with Coulter, or the thinktankers, the more the truth sounds like just another opinion, and because it’s the truth, it probably doesn’t sound as fun.

Good news!

The Weapons of Mass Destruction have been found.

The bad news is they were dumped all over the ocean floor along the Eastern seaboard.

-GSD

Phoenix Woman @ 35

As Molly Ivins once said of the chattering classes’ bizarre rage at Hillary Clinton (a dislike that is not grounded in her politics or actions, but is simply left over from their ten-year witchhunt from the 1990s): “Most people have a very hard time forgiving those whom they have deeply wronged.”

Ergo, the DC press corps will never, ever forgive Al Gore, because they have spent the better part of two decades wronging him up one side and down the other. And they can never, ever admit that they did so.

Do you suppose if the Democrats ran a Gore/Clinton ticket with a promise of Obama as SofS, the right wing would overload so badly their heads would explode? Interesting idea.

At least their hate would reach such levels that the clarity of their thinking would be impaired.

2008-2016 Gore/Clinton
2016-2024 Clinton/Obama
2024-2032 Obama…..

hayduke @ 48

The only thing wrong with Gore is that he put Holy Joe LIEberman on the ticket. He’s got some explaning to do on that one. BIG TIME.

It is my impression that Lieberman has had a complete change of perspective since those years. He truly is not a Democrat anymore, and I don’t even think he’s a Repub. The only “independent” thing about him is that he independently chose to hook up with the neocon party, and they are using him as a front man in their ramp up to attacking Iran rather than it coming from a Repub. JMHO

Uh oh,

The underlining infestation showed up on my post. Ack!

sorry.

[Mod: fixed]

JPL @ 42

Oklahoma kiddo @ 8

I think the GOP is scared to death of Gore. Wouldn’t it be interesting to have a Gore vs. Thompson match. I believe Gore would trounce Fredy.

I want Gore in ‘08!

Although I like Gore I still wish the American people would wake up to the talents of Clark. Most Americans don’t realize that he has a grasp of the economic situation like Clinton. The top percentages are living like it’s in the twenties and that’s what I’m afraid of…
They just see the General in front of his name.

I agree Wesley Clark is amazing. Everytime I have heard him speak about Iraq, Iran, the middle east I am so impressed.

The Israeli lobby viciously attacked him a while back for a comment that he made. This often means that the individual has a wider perspective on the middle east than the “Israeli firsters” want pursued or considered.

Diane @ 41

Meanwhile, back at the Swamp … I don’t think Mudcat’s pesudo apology is going too well.

linky, sil vous plais?

GSD @ 54

Good news!

The Weapons of Mass Destruction have been found.

The bad news is they were dumped all over the ocean floor along the Eastern seaboard.

-GSD

Outrageous! Who is responsible for this??

Edwards/Clark.
You heard it here first.

Unless or until Gore enters the race.

Illinois History

It does look like the quote is in dispute, according to Schwartz…this part will be ambiguous, as there are scholars who do not think it’s in dispute…like the one Gore references.

It’s the Right’s famous m.o.

DrDick @ 31

C’mon, Jane. You don’t expect him to actually read the book he is reviewing, do you? I mean he already knows everything he needs to know to state his impeccably credentialed opinion without actually working at it (or thinking, God forbid). That is how our modern punditocracy works: fact free navel gazing.

he could have at least paged through it. I mean how hard is it to see if there are endnotes? That it never occurred to him to even look in the back of the book is mind-boggling.

I’d like to see Gore/Whitehouse

puppethead @ 27

Stupid trolls with megaphones. It really is “Al Gore’s internet”. He said he was instrumental in creating it (not “inventing it”) and the scientists who invented the technology agree.

I hate our stupid corporate media and the vapid members of its world. They make the likes of Paris Hilton seem intellectual.

Hell, we’d be better off if Paris Hilton replaced Fred Hiatt on the WaPo masthead.

Reminds me: One of the best interviews Bill Clinton ever got, in terms of sheer substance, was from Leonardo di Caprio for ABC News on the occasion of the thirtieth anniversary of Earth Day in 2000. (The NYT references it but of course doesn’t link to it.) And of course the chattering classes all rose up as one to attack ABC for such a move.

GSD @ 54

Good news!

The Weapons of Mass Destruction have been found.

The bad news is they were dumped all over the ocean floor along the Eastern seaboard.

-GSD

The Soviets dumped thousands of tons of the same kind of stuff in the North Pacific and Arctic Oceans. Also, the late Pete Isleib, one of Alaska’s great ornithologists, documented huge American dumps of similar WMDs south of the Aleutian Trench in the early to mid-1960s. His notes and document copies were destroyed when his house in Cordova burnt down in the early 1980s.

Phoenix Woman @ 35

As Molly Ivins once said of the chattering classes’ bizarre rage at Hillary Clinton (a dislike that is not grounded in her politics or actions, but is simply left over from their ten-year witchhunt from the 1990s): “Most people have a very hard time forgiving those whom they have deeply wronged.”

Ergo, the DC press corps will never, ever forgive Al Gore, because they have spent the better part of two decades wronging him up one side and down the other. And they can never, ever admit that they did so.

Phoenix Woman, what an interesting quote. Thank you for sharing. Sounds just like something Molly would have said. And, you know, even though I don’t understand it, even though it’s totally illogical, it’s the only explanation that really rings true when you look back on it all.

I guess they have to keep on demonizing both of them for fear of being proven wrong in the 90’s.

I just keep wondering when the “decider” will announce that they have found the really good hider? (OBL)

Fall of 2008?

Gore/Clinton: not possible ‘coz they can’t stand each other

Clinton/Obama: won’t work: the US is not ready for an identity politics ticket, although maybe by 2016…

Edwards/Clark.
You heard it here first.

I’m also a huge Clark (Pres.) fan but I’m not seeing the traction yet.

I’d be down for your ticket but don’t you think Clark would also be great as Sec. Defense or Sec. State ?

Gore can’t sue the crap out of him, because Ferguson told nothing but the truth. He didn’t tell the whole truth either, but while this would make him a better editor, it’s not exactly mandatory. Endnotes aren’t footnotes (read Al Franken on this ^^) and while i didn’t check the link, i believe him that the quote didn’t show up. See, blatant lying is for dummies. Clever guys let the lie develop in the brain of their audience.

Maybe Murdoch can buy both the WaPo and the WSJ so those two rolls of toilet paper can finally stop trying to appear fair and balanced and can take their rightful places behind the Fox news crew as chief propagandists.

Tim @ 70

Edwards/Clark.
You heard it here first.

I’m also a huge Clark (Pres.) fan but I’m not seeing the traction yet.

I’d be down for your ticket but don’t you think Clark would also be great as Sec. Defense or Sec. State ?

Am I missing something here because I haven’t seen hide nor hair of Clarke these days.

Kathleen, Clark taught Econ @ West Point. His grasp of the present day problems is amazing. Gore obviously would be an excellent president and Clark a great VP. Obama would outshine many recent Secretary of States. If only wishing would make it so.

kathleen @ 68

I just keep wondering when the “decider” will announce that they have found the really good hider? (OBL)

Fall of 2008?

Could be. I’d bet 11/1/08. Not enough time for the public to look into how it went down.

james @ 72

Maybe Murdoch can buy both the WaPo and the WSJ so those two rolls of toilet paper can finally stop trying to appear fair and balanced and can take their rightful places behind the Fox news crew as chief propagandists.

Really, just f**king get it over with.

Tim #70,
Yes. Totally. Either one.

LS @ 56

hayduke @ 48

The only thing wrong with Gore is that he put Holy Joe LIEberman on the ticket. He’s got some explaning to do on that one. BIG TIME.

It is my impression that Lieberman has had a complete change of perspective since those years. He truly is not a Democrat anymore, and I don’t even think he’s a Repub. The only “independent” thing about him is that he independently chose to hook up with the neocon party, and they are using him as a front man in their ramp up to attacking Iran rather than it coming from a Repub. JMHO

That’s exactly it. And Gore was even at that time a far different person from the one who helped found the DLC — so much so that he’s now their worst enemy.

Lieberman was actually sane on health care; if Gore had been able to shunt him off into working with Howard Dean (who also used to be liked by the DLC and is now hated by them) on a gradual implementing of a national health care plan, he’d have been kept too busy to hear the siren song of Ahmad Chalabi.

Phoenix Woman @ 35

As Molly Ivins once said of the chattering classes’ bizarre rage at Hillary Clinton (a dislike that is not grounded in her politics or actions, but is simply left over from their ten-year witchhunt from the 1990s): “Most people have a very hard time forgiving those whom they have deeply wronged.”

Ergo, the DC press corps will never, ever forgive Al Gore, because they have spent the better part of two decades wronging him up one side and down the other. And they can never, ever admit that they did so.

DING! And in HC’s case, not only was she wronged but the attacks helped to make people’s careers–witness MoDo’s Pulitzer, which, IIRC was based on her reporting of that stupid impeachment business, as well as all her nonsense about HC and Bill’s personal life. Talk about infotainment.

Spiritcatcher @ 71

…See, blatant lying is for dummies. Clever guys let the lie develop in the brain of their audience.

This is the M.O. of Straussian monsters, not “clever guys.” And it is blatant lying, in the form of a Big Lie; this stewing doubt the Straussian monster feeds festers into the greater lie that Gore is somehow not authentic and disingenuous.

As if Gore could ever do a fraction of the inauthentic and disingenuous stuff perpetrated by this administration and its minions, both public and private.

Biodun @ 69

Gore/Clinton: not possible ‘coz they can’t stand each other

Bill Clinton and Gore never liked each other either and it worked. I watched some bio of Clinton and it was said that Gore was one of the few people that could “talk Bill down” if he was in a rage and keep him focused and logical.

You don’t have to love each other to have a practical, working relationship.

I didn’t see that Edwards and Kerry were best buds, either.

If you truly want to scare the Reps into heart attacks, make up some bumper stickers “Gore / Bloomberg ‘08″

LS @ 75

kathleen @ 68

I just keep wondering when the “decider” will announce that they have found the really good hider? (OBL)

Fall of 2008?

Could be. I’d bet 11/1/08. Not enough time for the public to look into how it went down.

Bin Laden will be the guest speaker at the Republican Convention in 2008.

-GSD

Diane @ 41

Meanwhile, back at the Swamp … I don’t think Mudcat’s pesudo apology is going too well.

sorry–who is Mudcat?

Spiritcatcher #71,
Robert A. Heinlein: “I do know the slickest way to lie is to tell just the right amount of truth, and then shut up.”
-from Stranger in a Strange Land

Mudcat? Who’s that?

snowbird42 @ 15

I cant imagine why Gore would write this book if he wasnt going to run. This book should be read in schools all over the country.
I am half way through and its not a hard read but very thought provoking.
I still think Gore feels this early, never ending campaigning is obscene and he wants no part of it.( I heard him say this on Larry King)

Takes Americans minds off of the millions of people in Iraq that have been killed, injured and turned into refugees by the Bush administrations illegal and immoral war in Iraq. (that is really giving too much credit to most Americans)

Americans would much prefer to think about the elections in a year and a half in between going to the mall and on vacations than what their government and military did to a country that never attacked the U.S.

Mandrake @ 59

Diane @ 41

Meanwhile, back at the Swamp … I don’t think Mudcat’s pesudo apology is going too well.

linky, sil vous plais?

That is so sad. I really think Mudcat’s heart is in the right place. I just think he did something really stupid. Temporary insanity maybe?

Ed*ard Teller @ 66

GSD @ 54

Good news!

The Weapons of Mass Destruction have been found.

The bad news is they were dumped all over the ocean floor along the Eastern seaboard.

-GSD

The Soviets dumped thousands of tons of the same kind of stuff in the North Pacific and Arctic Oceans. Also, the late Pete Isleib, one of Alaska’s great ornithologists, documented huge American dumps of similar WMDs south of the Aleutian Trench in the early to mid-1960s. His notes and document copies were destroyed when his house in Cordova burnt down in the early 1980s.

Maybe the statue of ted Stevens can be made from reconsituted WMD and place at the end of a long bridge to somewhere.

-GSD

Mandrake @ 59 - here is the link.
http://time-blog.com/swampland.....ntion.html

Oklahoma kiddo @ 8

I want Gore in ‘08!

I am so with you on this! I have just dreamed up the ultimate Waiting for Gore Campaign campaign. Lemme think on this a bit.

Meanwhile, “The Assault on Reason” is a must-read for human beings. Even right-wingers. Surely there’s a shred of humanity buried until all that crap, yes/no?

LS @ 64

I’d like to see Gore/Whitehouse

Yeah, Whitehouse was incredible on the Gonzales no-confidence motion yesterday. Did you catch that? Man, I would NOT want to be prosecuted by him, guilty or not!

Spiritcatcher @ 82

If you truly want to scare the Reps into heart attacks, make up some bumper stickers “Gore / Bloomberg ‘08″

I prefer Gore/Feingold myself. ;-)

GSD @ 83

LS @ 75

Could be. I’d bet 11/1/08. Not enough time for the public to look into how it went down.

Bin Laden will be the guest speaker at the Republican Convention in 2008.

-GSD

Funny…sad…all rolled into one!

From our own Cafe Press. Re-elect Gore goodies.
http://www.cafepress.com/electionblues/884543

PeterK @ 92

LS @ 64

I’d like to see Gore/Whitehouse

Yeah, Whitehouse was incredible on the Gonzales no-confidence motion yesterday. Did you catch that? Man, I would NOT want to be prosecuted by him, guilty or not!

How old is Whitehouse?

PeterK @ 92

LS @ 64

I’d like to see Gore/Whitehouse

Yeah, Whitehouse was incredible on the Gonzales no-confidence motion yesterday. Did you catch that? Man, I would NOT want to be prosecuted by him, guilty or not!

blah, blah, blah - NOT TRUE!!!
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I was trying to find some video of that, but my computer was acting up. He is so kewl!

Mudcat Saunders is an Edwards adviser. Known for his “rural outreach” but recently manifesting itself in whiny ass behavior attacking the netroots and squealing about how misunderstood the inbred creationists have become.

-GSD

PeterK @ 92

LS @ 64

I’d like to see Gore/Whitehouse

Yeah, Whitehouse was incredible on the Gonzales no-confidence motion yesterday. Did you catch that? Man, I would NOT want to be prosecuted by him, guilty or not!

As a nation our two major concerns should be global warming and the death of the middle class. The middle class has really helped us achieve great things. (and I don’t mean Lou Dobb’s idea of the middle class. I mean unions, health care and the american dream). I still say Gore/Clark

LS @ 97

PeterK @ 92

Yeah, Whitehouse was incredible on the Gonzales no-confidence motion yesterday. Did you catch that? Man, I would NOT want to be prosecuted by him, guilty or not!

blah, blah, blah - NOT TRUE!!!
blah, blah, blah - NOT TRUE!!!
blah, blah, blah - NOT TRUE!!!
blah, blah, blah - NOT TRUE!!!

I was trying to find some video of that, but my computer was acting up. He is so kewl!

I saw it on CSPAN on the net. Don’t know if they archive, tho.

PeterK @ 100

LS @ 97

blah, blah, blah - NOT TRUE!!!
blah, blah, blah - NOT TRUE!!!
blah, blah, blah - NOT TRUE!!!
blah, blah, blah - NOT TRUE!!!

I was trying to find some video of that, but my computer was acting up. He is so kewl!

I saw it on CSPAN on the net. Don’t know if they archive, tho.

C&L might have it.

Joe Klein’s conscience @ 96

PeterK @ 92

Yeah, Whitehouse was incredible on the Gonzales no-confidence motion yesterday. Did you catch that? Man, I would NOT want to be prosecuted by him, guilty or not!

How old is Whitehouse?

Early 50s, at a guess (I only saw him on the net–small screen y’know).

GSD @89: Definitely. Shpeaking as one of those high-tone liberals a la Mudcat: A multi-media project involving various toxins and explosives would be so apropos!

GSD @ 98

Mudcat Saunders is an Edwards adviser. Known for his “rural outreach” but recently manifesting itself in whiny ass behavior attacking the netroots and squealing about how misunderstood the inbred creationists have become.

-GSD

Fortunately, Edwards’ most powerful advisor is Elizabeth Edwards, and she has no truck with that sort of nonsense. Saunders may have been stuck on Edwards’ payroll to placate certain Beltway types, but he’s not going to override Elizabeth.

hayduke @ 48

The only thing wrong with Gore is that he put Holy Joe LIEberman on the ticket. He’s got some explaning to do on that one. BIG TIME.

Here’s a hypothetical: What path do you suppose Lieberman would have followed had Gore been elected? Because 2008 might have been Lieberman’s run at the top of the ticket. Maybe there really is a dog!

Two days after Bloodthirsty Joe Lieberman called for war with Iran…..Nicholas Burns is alleging Iran is aiding The Taliban.

P.S.Is George Bush going to have to invade Central Command after it has been revealed that they are the source of some weapons being used by Iraqi insurgents?

-GSD

snowbird42 @ 15

I cant imagine why Gore would write this book if he wasnt going to run.

I can. I imagine he hopes people will, you know, read what he wrote.

GSD @ 89

Maybe the statue of ted Stevens can be made from reconsituted WMD and place at the end of a long bridge to somewhere.

-GSD

Although I’ve communicated directly to Sen. Stevens that I feel he should leave office, people should be aware that from the fall of the Soviet Union through the beginning of the Bush administration, nobody in congress or in DC, for that matter, did more to assure responsible dismantling of Soviet nuclear boats and ships than Stevens. He was also in there from the beginning in trying to find ways to keep Soviet and Eastern Bloc nuclear and WMD scientists both gainfully employed and accounted for in the period between 1990 and about 2002. The Bushistas have destroyed that program entirely, though.

I call him Pudcat.

I am tired of the poor downtrodden ‘heartland folks’ theme that is forwarded by beltway asschappers who don’t give a red shit about wha