The Senate will be voting today on a “no confidence” measure with regard to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. From the AP (via The Muck):
A majority of Democrats in the Senate are ready to cast a symbolic vote of no confidence against Attorney General Alberto Gonzales today, the Associated Press reports. So far Republicans are offering meager support for the resolution and it’s unclear whether backers of the unusual maneuver will even find the 60 votes needed to close debate on the resolution and bring it up for a vote.
No one is predicting that a symbolic resolution expressing no confidence in Gonzales will survive even the test vote Monday. Most Republicans are likely to vote no, dismissing the whole exercise as a ploy to embarrass President Bush.
But would a vote even embarrass the president?
“They can have their votes of no-confidence but it’s not going to make the determination about who serves in my government,” Bush said Monday. “This process has been drug out a long time. … It’s political.”
Whether successful or not, such a vote will at least bring discussion of Gonzales to the Senate floor after five months of Congressional inquiry into the Department of Justice and the firing of at least nine US attorneys.
If you have a few spare minutes, please take some time and call your Senators and ask that they vote for the no confidence resolution. Here are some toll free numbers to the Capitol switchboard that reader Katymine put together, so you can call your Senators for free and voice your opinion:
1 (800) 828 – 0498
1 (800) 459 – 1887
1 (800) 614 – 2803
1 (866) 340 – 9281
1 (866) 338 – 1015
1 (877) 851 – 6437
Here is why: the rank and file of the GOP are disgusted by the Gonzales leadership vacuum at the DOJ. His tenure there is an embarrassment to the party, because his mismanagement and crass cronyism tactics make the GOP look not only more incompetent but more cravenly corrupt. And this is something they cannot afford to have the public understand in a heightened way this close to the 2008 elections. Even Bob Novak is revolting, and his smarmy “voice of the Beltway GOP cocktail set” persona was all too clear about it this morning:
Prevailing opinion of the Republican Party’s officeholders, contributors and activists could not differ more from Bush’s posture. They regard Libby as a valuable public servant who faces serious prison time, thanks to prosecutorial abuse made possible by Bush administration decisions, with no imminent presidential pardon. They see Gonzales as an embarrassment to the party who presides over a hollow Justice Department, while presidential staffers search for Senate votes to block a no-confidence motion….In contrast, GOP insiders are enraged by Bush’s retention of Gonzales, whom they consider a political and governmental disaster. Beyond his affection for Gonzales, Bush is reported to fear a new attorney general could not be confirmed without pledging to name a special prosecutor to investigate the firing of U.S. attorneys. That suggests a lame-duck regime, preferring to stay with a crippled, leaderless Justice Department.
Aside from Novak’s self-serving parroting of the Toensing “free Scooter” line (conflict of interest much, Bob?), it is telling that the perennial GOP mouthpiece is now trying to barter the party’s way out of this unseemly failure at the DOJ by pressuring for a Libby pardon as a means of base appeasement while throwing Gonzales under the nearest bus at the first opportunity. The GOP is trying to find any means at all of distancing itself from Bush — and this “no confidence” vote on Gonzales is just the wedge that Democrats could work to get what the nation needs, a DOJ free from the failure that is Gonzales.
GOP Senators may be ripe for the pressuring this morning. Let’s give them a reason to vote in the interest of the public and the long-term restoration of the Department of Justice. Make a few calls this morning, and tell your Senators to vote FOR the resolution of “no confidence” for the AG. Your nation and its system of justice thanks you.
If you need more incentive as to why this is important, take a peek at the smarm involved in appointing party cronies with no legal experience in the field to immigration judgeships — the fact that the practices involved were against the law? I sense more questions about to be asked, how about you?
(Photo of a bubble via anyoungkevin.)
UPDATE: More from the NYTimes and the LATimes.
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When the Democrats won the Senate, I recall that Mitch McConnell said that it would take 60 votes to pass anything. Looks like he was right.
George Bush doesn’t understand or care about anything that Congress does. Impeach Gonzales.
How can the Repugs afford to support Gonzo? If they decide to make this vote political, they will pay a political price, as evidenced by Novak. They might as well be casting a support vote for Michael Brown.
Hoping for some Repub no confidence votes, but predicting hypocrisy on the right. Specter may be a bellweather, I plan on calling his office. Though I was surprised he did not show for the Schlozman hearing.
Good morning, Christy — I heard (on CNN?) over the weekend, that the final vote (for cloture) on the Gonzales motion was scheduled for mid-late afternoon, so that the results would be known just before the evening news.
Fine, don’t hold the no confidence vote, but drop the fucking hammer and issue the damn subpoenas to Rove and company. I’ve had it with the all-bark-no-bite Dem leadership.
I wish that the marketers and the net wizards would saturate the airwaves with voiceovers of Republicans’ anti-Constitutional votes and scenes of people suffering as the result of those votes.
The voice of the people isn’t even in the governmental equation anymore. It’s government done TO the people – not by it, of it and for it.
Scarecrow at 5 — That is what I heard as well, which is why I’m hoping for calls this morning. Any pressure we can bring to bear on this one…the Department of Justice deserves a helluva lot better than that are getting at the moment. If they had any shame, I’d say the Bushies ought to be ashamed of themselves. But I know better. Which is why the Senate needs to stand up and make a statement. Now.
Heh. Christy, I think I see a Freudian slip, one with which I wholeheartedly agree…
“Even Bob Novak is revolting…”
Did you mean “revolted”, or “bolting”?
(Although I’m absolutely certain you did mean Bob Novak is revolting, as in “repulsive”. Heh.)
Good Morning, Christy
I’m dialing.
Nope, Rayne, I meant revolting. *g* Deliberately chosen as a double entendre.
Good Morning Christy.
Funny you should ask. I e-mailed last night, just to get their wires warmed up before their morning java ;->
One of the few times I have agreed with George Bush. This resolution is a bunch of crap!
Impeach the MF!
this teacup and pending storm cover a relatively small part of the landscape. no matter what people want, representatives do not. we have seen democrats vote for the continuation of war, right along with the repubs.
make no mistake, our wishes are not factored in. the people are nobody now. our paternalistic leaders are doing it for us.
and who could blame them? their paycheck comes from the bribe money they accept for voting and pork products. the pittance that comes from their salary is meaningless. as are those that pay it.
Hey, I support GOP efforts to stop a no confidence vote. Its just another issue that can be used to cleanse the Senate of Republican wankers.
Given the arcane rules of the Senate, it would seem the House, the people’s chamber, might be a better place to stage this vote.
If they can’t even muster up a no-confidence vote, then how are they going to impeach anyone? Stupid Republicans.
*sniff, sniff* I LOVE the smell of oversight in the morning. ;})
If the Dems lose the meaningless no-confidence vote all it does is hand Bush another victory. Dems need to be sending out subpoena’s and stop handling the witnesses with kid gloves. Their timidity is stunning. Their imcompetence is inexcusable.
Redd & Rayne. HAH! Works for me!
What say we tag-team him all day…
or till the troops come home…
repulsive…
revolting…
Bluetoe — It is a vote count issue. They can’t impeach without the votes. period. And with the Senate split as it is, then they have to test the water somehow. My hope is that with some outside pressure wratcheting upward on this, the GOP support for Gonzales is very fragile, and this could be the breaking of the partisan dam, so to speak.
I already know how my senator (Domenici) will vote.
Something tells me he ain’t gonna change his mind…
I just called my senators (one in each party). Also sent out message to network in Nevada. I really am tired of Dems skirting around and playing safe, looking for another excuse to say, “See, we couldn’t help it. We did all we could.” However, I will continue to call and hold their feet to the fire. At least keep the temperature uncomfortable.
Those of us whose states were directly impacted by the dismissal of U.S. Attorneys have great leverage to use when making calls. Remind your Senators that the opinions of the state’s delegation of Senators, Congressional Representatives and party leaders were completely disregarded in the dismissal and replacement process, diluting the voice of constituents even further in the selection of law enforcement officials.
Folks in states where USA’s were not dismissed could remind their Senators that the White House and in particular Alberto Gonzales have shown contempt for other states’ Congressional delegation, disregarding the opinions of key Republican Senators like Kyl and McCain in selecting replacements for USA’s — and Gonzales is likely to disregard them as well.
edit: Christy — touche, nicely done with the double-entendre!! I laughed out loud when I read it, I must confess. And btw, please thank the ghosts in the machine for their hard work, they’ve fixed the bug with Submit Comments and spinning along with the Edit Text not clearing. Excellent!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
Wish I could agree with you Christie but the Republicans have proven that Party loyalty trumps all. With the exception of Specter I don’t expect any Republican to vote with the Dems. I’m not even sure of Specter’s vote.
GeorgeSimian @ 17
Very good point about the no-confidence vote – if we can’t even get that done, we look even weaker. Just skip the vote altogether and issue the damn subpoenas.
Bluetoe at 25 — Up until now they have, but self-interest in distancing themselves from Bush and his multiple failures before the election in 2008 are starting to build in importance. Now is the time to drive the wedge.
party loyalty?
look where it got DeWine (formerly OH)
now Voinovich’s feeling hot breath behind him.
Worth calling?
OH YEAH!
Neither Specktor’s office nor Casey’s could say which way they would vote.
Casey’s office said the vote is at 5:30 pm, but we knew that, I think.
Bob Novak is revolting
The UnDead generally are.
Anyone who says “drug out” should be dismissed and required to pass a remedial English course.
barrelhse at 31 — Yes, best grammar education that his family’s money could buy. Unfortunate that he didn’t bother to take advantage of it over the years, isn’t it?
One other thing about Novak. Shouldn’t he, in any rational universe, make at least a passing mention of the fact that he was the leakee when he bombasticates about the Plame/Libby case? I mean, really …
Christy Hardin Smith @ 32
why should he bother his beautiful mind?
ITom Steele @ 26
the dims DO NOT WANT A CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS…which, btw, they cannot win…
the busheviks have little to lose…
/
Good morning from L.A. Thanks for posting those 800 #s again, CHS.
While watching the Spurs rout the Cavs last night w/a group of friends, sports talk took a back seat to another hot topic- Gonzales & the corruption of our DoJ. Bet I can get a couple of people besides myself to make some calls this a.m. ;-)
WRT immigration appointments. Looks like Berto is to immingrants as SCOTUS Thomas to prisoners.
Completely OT, but this is the most interesting place for names, connections e.t.c.
http://www.namebase.org/reviews.html
I called Burr and Dole of NC to support the no confidence vote. Also asked that if they are not inclined to vote yes on the measure to at least vote for cloture. The staffers were very polite and said they would pass it along. Let’s see…
Bring on the subpoenas of Rove, Miers, et al.
Let’s get GOING!
Does it strike anyone else that the DC embrace of Scooter has more to do with his “one of us” status (as in “this can’t happen to…”) while Abu, on the other hand, is a bit…um…not?
jane hamsher @ 40
Absolutely !
this is pathetic, no-confidence votes, non-binding resolutions, do the dems really believe that the american people are that stupid?
oh, maybe they are – after all Christy, i think of you as one of the smartest americans, and you keep getting sucked in
Christy Hardin Smith @ 21
Right–just called my two “Maine” senators. Keep your fingers crossed that it works out this way.
Rick at 42 — It’s called incremental movement forward. If you can’t understand how that is valuable, or how drawing a wedge and pulling off GOP votes bit by bit can be used, then I can’t help you on this.
Twain @ 41
bingo!
jane hamsher @ 40
Sure. He’s just one of those “little brown people” who serves well, but isn’t really in the club. Aparatchick, as the NYT put it. In a way, you could almost feel sorry for him–but only on a personal level, he’s certainly responsible for all the damage he’s done or abetted.
jane hamsher @ 40
Hypocrisy found its true roots in the Republican Party. Must be tough to be token when you are not fat, old, rich and white.
jane hamsher @ 40
now that you mention it . . .
which reminds me of when he was on the carpet, that hideous carpet, and he whined about his hard life, as if that was some kind of excuse.
jane hamsher @ 40
ouch! …yes…
also in re: MSM coverage?!
George, how do I put this gently…how about “It’s not your government, you son of a bitch!”
Just outta curiousity, does anybody remember the last time “the pendulum swung back”, incrementally or any other way, to the left?
neither do i…
there was a gasp in the ’60s and early ’70s, but it was brief and truncated…and nearly 40 years ago…
since then, the rightward shift has been pronounced, uninterrupted, and imho unremitting.
Is there going to be a pre-vote debate on the floor? *That* could be interesting.
if -no, wait- WHEN i next hear about someone serving “at the pleasure of the pResident”…
*sets bucket by keyboard*
EvilDrPuma @ 50
This is just standard tactics (I remember it well from the Vietnam era). First, ignore the opposition. When it gets too strong for that, dismiss it. When even that isn’t enough, try to co-opt it or make a token change. Of course, in that case, the end was Johnson’s removing himself from politics. Would that W started thinking that way (or just started thinking).
Someone here a day or two ago suggested a Confidence Vote for Gonzales, rather than a no confidence vote.
I apologize for not remembering who suggested it.
so, i called domenici and bingaman.
you could almost hear the suppressed chortle in the voice from Pete’s supernumerary as he said the Senator hasn’t decided…
Bingaman’s ‘guy’ (a gal)) was equally non-committal…
.
Christy at 44, it is not incremental at all, when you add 0 to something you are still at the same place. This is meant as something to make people like you FEEL better, it acomplishes nothing or worse, it again erodes the confidence in this congress to get anything meaningful done.
It is a waste of time, energy, and air.
Adie @ 53
Some of us choose to use those moments to down a shot. It’s a lot more fun, and then you get to puke.
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 56
thanks for tryin’. that’s all you can do.
wanna borrow my bucket? or are ya o.k. for now?
Elliott @ 58
silly me. the friendly neighborhood hooch dealer is already gettin’ a tad suspicious a’ th’ oldfolks in this house…. heh
If you going to position your party as being the party on the right side of law, you have you follow the process that is in place to achieve that goal.
It may be slow however I would rather have it done right so the professional people who live and breath the rule of law will have faith that one party is for justice.
From the Muck in the post:
If the resolution doesn’t get the 60 votes, I’d love to see Reid take the GOP senators at their word keep the senate in session to discuss AGAG some more.
That’s what voting “no” on a cloture vote means, after all — “Let’s keep debating this, because there’s more that needs to be said.”
Go ahead, Republicans: keep on digging. I think the hole for your political funeral needs to be six feet deep, about two feet wide, and six feet long.
Rick at 57 — Nope, you don’t get off that easily. Your solution woudl be what, then? What pro-active, forward-moving idea do you have to solve the problem? What would you suggest be done?
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 56
You’re making me think about how to handle these calls. I always figure they just make a tally of pro and con, so I just state my opinion, and maybe give a brief reason why. Do you think it helps to ask about the Senator’s position, or anything else?
EvilDrPuma @ 50
The Dictatorer in Chief speaks.
Lets urge an immediate followup to this vote with a sense of the Senate Vote of Confidence for Abu…turn the tables.
Maybe that should be the way this is proferred…okay, Rethugs, you won’t vote for the No Confidence, then we’ll give you the For Confidence.
“starting shortly” Senator Reid on energy independence — CSPAN 1
“Rudy Guiliani’s been married more times than Mitt Romney’s been hunting” –Harry Reid
jane hamsher @ 40
Which doesn’t mean that Republican Senators won’t go ahead and vote against cloture. What is important here is that such a vote should be hung around their necks and they should be excorciated for embracing corruption and incompetence. Republicans love crooks and cronies and will do anything to protect them, no matter the costs to the country.
BTW re Scarecrow’s excellent post on Iraq, what we are seeing is the formation of Plan B which could also be called “go long” redux. The bankruptcy of American policy in Iraq continues. Everyone is tacitly admitting that the “surge” or more accurately the “splurge” is a failure but it will continue for months despite the increased casualties it will bring. The depths of cynicism in Washington, in the Bush Administration, the Republicans in the Congress, and yes, the Democrats there as well know no bounds.
barrelhse @ 31
Idiot doesn’t speak Suthrun any better than he speaks Yankee.
Christy at 63, that’s easy, you do what the repugs would do – as majority dems should
First – you never present a bill you don’t like.
Second – you send up MANY bills you do like – when nothing gets done – you call repugs obstructionist
Third – anything else – you filibuster
I Don’t understand this argument that “we don’t have 60 votes” – therefor we must support a “bad” bill – do NOTHING if by doing something it gets worse
Wanna bet how Joe4Joe Lieberloser will vote? A Weasel and a Skunk…a Repug love-match!
EvilDrPuma @ 50
Also it’s only political when the Republicans are catching heat. When Democrats catch hell that’s natural law.
PeterK @ 64
it’s just a little thing but, since i e-mail, rather than calling, i always click on any opportunity to demand/request a reply to my message. often, i then follow up, & can become kind of a dang pesky (albeit -heh- polite) critter.
this sorta approach has broken thru the impenetrableDCfacade machine more than one might have predicted, fwiw ;->
Elliott @ 58
Ooooh, like the Bob Newhart game back in the 70s. I’ve gotta keep a bottle of Cuervo nearby.
I’ll save the 18 year old scotch for the next round of “I don’t recalls” by Gonzo and his crew.
jane hamsher @ 40
Yup, the Grand Ol’ Poobah party likes their bread white. Who knew? *g*
Just called Dole & Burr – they are not receiving many calls. Burr’s office stated they have only gotten 4 calls. Anybody out there in NC – please start calling.
Fired USA David Iglesias called for Gonzales to “cowboy up” instead of waiting for the Senate no-confidence vote in an LA Times op-ed in May:
Iglesias Op-Ed
Which doesn’t mean that Republican Senators won’t go ahead and vote against cloture. What is important here is that such a vote should be hung around their necks and they should be excorciated for embracing corruption and incompetence. Republicans love crooks and cronies and will do anything to protect them, no matter the costs to the country.
I agree with Hugh. Win, lose, or draw, get the R teamers to commit for the record.
Ghostman
IMHO: Talk of “Energy independence” in Congress is short-hand for authorizing more hand-outs to ADM & Cargill for ethanol; and to the atomic power industry (general electric, anyone); and to the coal companies for destroying more and more mountains, streams, and valleys.
It does NOT–an unlikely will in my lifetime (mebbe another 15 years)– mean a realistic program (to federally underwrite) putting a solar collector of some kind on the roof of every domicile in the nation…
1,544 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Hardin Smith:
Bless your pure heart, but I’m afraid that callin’ for “no confidence” this mornin’ is a bit like orderin’ up new deck chairs fer the Titanic. The Democrats have caved in on everything beginnin’ with the war and now two of the top Dem candidates for president are agreeing that we hafta occupy Iraq indefinitely. A win on “no confidence” for Gonzales does NOT mean that those Republican votes would be there for impeachment and a failure to get cloture will make the Democrats look completely powerless and irrelevant.
The Democratic Party’s unwillingness to put the boot to Joe Lieberman, their inability to keep their own party together on votes to end the war after mobilizin’ almost 70% of the sentient population and their dismal performance so far in advancing investigations of the myriad scandals has made a believer outta me…the Democratic Party is corrupted beyond redemption.
We have a completely compromised federal court system all the way through the Supreme Court. The civil service and career cadre in ALL the departments of government have been corrupted. The intelligence services and the military have been gutted and the Democratic leadership in the Congress can’t even get their lunch tickets stamped.
Enough symbolism…issue the God damned subpoenas for Rove and the senior White House staff not only in the investigations of the US Attorney firings but in the treason behind Valery Plame’s exposure. It’s time to expose the whole rotten mess, make the Supreme Court uphold executive privilege, rescind the war authorization and make the next election look like 1964.
Finally, if we don’t get Al Gore elected president, none a the preceding is gunna matter anywayz.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T TAKE ANYMORE BULLSHIT!!
Testify Norske!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 27
Christy, driving a wedge might work if there was the slightest hint that the Bush Administration is mortally wounded. Based on the tepid response of Congress and the media spin that invariablly is in the Republicans favor that is far from established fact. In addition, the Republicans are more motivated and driven by ideology than political realities.
Marie Roget @ 77
thanks!
James 74
thasss-a-lotta–skawsh
18yr? whudawayste!
yer abuv arr pay-grade….. ;->
Marie Roget @ 77
actually, i think the term was “vaquero arriba!”
/snark
Adie @ 73
Good idea. I’ll follow up my call with an email and ask for a response.
Christy,
here is a short list of bills that they could try to pass (with no earmarks!) (let the repugs vote no on these)
Katrina relief fund
Spinich relief
Body armor
walter reed retsoration fund
etc etc etc
instead they concentrate all thier energy on what? something that does nothing, that’s what
NorskeFlamethrower @ 80
Well, you had me believing you were a Bolshevik right up to the last line about getting Gore elected.
Sorry, taverish, but that’s like having Kerensky running the government. All the same tired DLC people will be under their rocks doing their best to sabotage whatever is good for us while advancing the interests of GE, BAe, Lockheed Martin, etc.
We need a thorough housecleaning in every agency at every level.
Mary Roget:
would it be fair to call your ‘nym’ a “Poes”?
i assume it is, you being a smart, literate person and all…and she being the title character in what is usually considered “the first detective novel.”
just askin’
/
jane hamsher @ 40
Which part of the “one of us”?
The white part?
The tall part?
The preferred religion part?
The doesn’t-speak-Spanish part?
The east coast part?
The A*P*C supporter part?
The neo-conservative PNAC signatory part?
The lifer-in-the-Beltway part?
I’m surprised the evil oompa-loopma of the DOJ survived this long, given all the check marks against him. They turned on Ari Fleischer for far less.
new thread upstairs
Adie @ 84
LOL!!!
The benefits of a government pension.
PeterK @ 86
I don’t know what happens to my emails to Congress but I get a response weeks later, if at all; or instantly, acknowledging they received it. I’ve never gotten an real reply to any question. The responses are always canned.
Oops, let the ghosts in the machine know that the Refresh still spins excessively upon Submit Comment when there is a new thread upstairs. Must be stuck in a loop for some reason.
Resolved the problem by hitting Reload.
wgg: rogue scholar @ 89
Thanx, wgg: rogue scholar. Been using this moniker a long time on many sites, including here. Wrote my doc dissertation on aspects of our old friend E.A. Poe’s writings about 11 yrs. ago :-)
Elliott @ 93
I’ve gotten some “real” replies–at least they were long letters, tho probably sent to several people. It generally takes some weeks. I think this is just a staffing issue–I believe those offices are generally very busy, with lots of deadlines.
I’ve gotten real replies from Senator Warner, not on each contact but maybe 20% of the time. I do not write very often, I try to make a clear case about why such and such is hurting our nation’s strength, and above all I am courteous. This is Virginia after all.
jane hamsher @ 40
Of course repig racism is a given. But to play devil’s advocate, Gonzo did play right into the stereotypes in his ‘play dumb’ performance; Libby at least played the part of a reasonably intelligent adult.
egregious @ 97
Right, it always pays to be courteous in these matters. Anger, snarkiness, or the like won’t buy you anything. After all, you are trying to persuade someone here. And if they already agree it doesn’t hurt.
Thanks for the heads up Christy. I’m signing off the computer to call Snowe and Collins now. I live in Maine.
AGAG is the keeper of secrets. his loyalty to a family from texas is absolute. his only other option is to face his family and admit his guilt. the shame that would accompany such an acknowledgment would kill most men and women. as a man of christian faith, you would assume he is aware of the unconditional forgiveness clause in the bible that lets him forever walk with bush’s Main Man. that notion, however, was likely put to rest a very long time ago when he covered the tracks for our silly boy king-to-be in austin. they grabbed each other’s balls and haven’t let go since. who cracks first? AGAG. who goes to the hague? gorgeous george.
Elliott @ 93
That’s where persistance pays off. not always. but often enuf to give me the feeling they finally noticed, & are aware they are being watched… hopefully makes a difference…
First time poster, lurker since the liveblogging of the Libby trial.
Thank you for all of the work that y’all are doing.
I just called my two Senators from Kansas. Roberts’ office was unaware that the vote was today, and Brownback’s office didn’t think he would be there. I explained to Brownback’s office how I thought it was inconsistent with his conservative principles to not take the rule of law seriously. I could hear the staffer deflating as I spoke, not that I think it will change Brownback’s vote, but I took a small victory from it.
Hey Janda—
Welcome to the Lake! Good work on making your calls. Hope to hear from you often. Here’s to a blue Kansas.
Another awesome post, Christy,
love the title and bubble. :)
The process has been “drug out” a long tahme because DOJ/Abu chose to drag it out. It’s “political” when officials who enforce the rule of law don’t enable the LawBreaker-in-Chief. Duh.
I guess a vote against Abu is like voting against the First Lady??? Just plain not nice?
Way to go Janda. Just called Snowe’s office and they don’t know how she will vote. Neither did Collins’ office. This could come back to haunt them like Edwards and Clintons vote for the Iraq war. Can we think political suicide for what?
bridger @ 101
Interesting comment!
I’d like to add that forgiveness is one thing. Making amends and reconciling with others who have been harmed is another.
I’m pretty burned by the “God loves me even though I hurt you, and you don’t matter cuz you’re not God” crap. God may forgive BushAbu, but I don’t. Not until there are remedies.
Janda @ 103
Awesome first post, Janda!
If the GOP is so upset as Novak claims, then what can Brownback lose by voting vs. Gonzo?
I don’t want them to vote no confidence. It is a gesture just as empty as those non-binding resolutions they keep passing and as empty as ’standing up to Bush’ on the Iraq supplemental only to cave in and kiss his ass.
What I want is for them to IMPEACH Gonzales, Bush, and Cheney and get them all the hell out of office and into prison where they belong. The only thing I can say positive about the Republicans in Congress is that if Bush were a Democratic president, he’d ALREADY be impeached whereas with the Democrats they don’t have the cajones to even talk about it much less do it. Even though they have perfect legal standing and evidence enough for a vote.
This just in from the White House: Bush Participates in Roundtable on Free Market Democracy.
Free market democracy – you know – democracy to the highest bidder.
well, let’s see who gets in charge of the Justice Dpt. if Gonzales is out and Bush can’t get anyone through the Senate Confirmation Hearings in 100 years: non other than Wainstein,Fisher,Rosenberg,Silverman and Posner…. but wait, these ultra-neocons are the ones pushing to let Libby go to the beach free to write books about how to start fake wars and these neocons are also the team of Lieberman, the freak that wants to send others to war in Iran, so we get the worst criminals in charge?, wonderful, eeeehhhhhh?
Christy,
So, now that the dems can’t even get cloture, will you admit that this is a win for the repugs? that the dems look weak because of this? that it is worse than if they had been working on something that would at least make the repugs look bad if they vote against it? that the dems suckered you in again?