The US Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit issued an important though complex ruling regarding the right of habeas corpus as applied to persons designated as “enemy combatants.” In a 2-1 decision, the Court ruled that a legal US resident alien, Ali al-Marri (a foreign student lawfully in the US under a student visa) was entitled to invoke habeas corpus and could not be held indefinitely by the military without charges, even though he had been declared an “enemy combatant” by President Bush. Marty Lederman has two initial reactions to the decision here, including a link to the Court’s full opinion.
The ruling appears to be highly significant, because it holds that the reprehensible Military Commissions Act enacted last November did not strip the federal courts of their jurisdiction to hear habeas petitions when brought by lawful US residents; the Court ruled the Act simply did not apply to Al-Marri.
That part of the ruling thus does not directly affect detainees at Guantanamo, as none of them are legal US residents and all were seized overseas. Al-Marri was a legal resident in the US, on a student visa attending a US university. He was arrested in the US after 9/11 on allegations (among other things) of having false identification and credit cards, and was about to be tried in the regular US criminal justice system. But just before this was to begin, he was seized by the military after the President declared him to be an “enemy combatant,” and then held and interrogated in a military prison in South Carolina for four years without charges or access to counsel. His attorneys eventually sought release from military detention via a habeas petition to federal courts. The District Court had denied the petition, and his lawyers appealed to the Circuit Court.
Note in particular Marty’s analysis of a footnote in the Court’s opinion that strongly suggests that the Administration transferred al-Marri to military authority and “enemy combat” status primarily so that he could be interrogated by the military. Marty notes that under recent Supreme Court decisions, this would be an unlawful basis for seizing al-Marri, holding him and declaring him to be an “enemy combatant.” Marty suggests that fact may make it very difficult for the Government to overturn the decision on appeal. The case will likely be appealed next to the full panel of the Fourth Circuit Court.
Moreover, the Court held that the President’s inherent Constitutional powers to designate US residents as “enemy combatants” are limited along the lines of the Youngstown Supreme Court decision. In other words, in attempting to designate Al Marri as an enemy combatant, the President was seeking to exercise power in an area in which the Congress could also legislate, and since Congress had already enacted a statutory limit on the President’s power in this area (the Patriot Act), his “inherent” powers to act unilaterally were at their lowest. The Court thus rejected the Administration’s claim that the President has the inherent, unchecked Constitutional power to do whatever he wants in designating US residents as “enemy combatants.” (The Youngstown analysis also applies when evaluating the scope of the President’s Constitutional powers to authorize warrantless surveillance of US citizens, because Congress passed the FISA statute expressly limiting the executive’s surveillance authority.) Some highlights from today’s decision:
In sum, Congress has carefully prescribed the process by which it wishes to permit detention of “terrorist aliens” within the United States, and has expressly prohibited the indefinite detention the President seeks here. The Government’s argument that the President may indefinitely detain al-Marri is thus contrary to Congress’s expressed will.
[snip]
In light of al-Marri’s due process rights under our Constitution and Congress’s express prohibition in the Patriot Act on the indefinite detention of those civilians arrested as “terrorist aliens” within this country, we can only conclude that in the case at hand, the President claims power that far exceed that granted him by the Constitution.
We do not question the President’s war-time authority over enemy combatants; but absent suspension of the writ of habeas corpus or declaration of martial law, the Constitution simply does not provide the President the power to exercxise military authority over civilians within the United States. . . . [citations omitted] . . . Put simply, the Constitution does not allow the President to order the military to seize civilians residing within the Untied States and detain them indefinitely without criminal process, and this is so even if he calls them “enemy combatants.”
Again, this is a complex case, and I’ve only had a chance to skim through it. But this appears to be an important decision in limiting the President’s unilateral authority when dealing with civilians lawfully in the US.
Related posts:
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- Tortured Logic: Judge Richard Leon Delivers Habeas Smackdown
- Supreme Court Will Hear Uighur Case
- Court Allows Padilla Suit Against Yoo to Proceed
- Defense counsel in USA v. KSM, et al petition federal appeals court to end Congress’s segregated, sham Military Commissions





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Uno?
Scarecrow e’ uno!
And this is from the Fourth Circuit, generally considered one of the most conservative in the country. Just imagine if those commies in the Ninth had gotten their hands on it.
tres for Hillary’s corners?
finally, a good ruling. the MCA, as well as any other legislation this government decides to pass, does not have the power to strip rights from people.
period.
The Constitution doesn’t apply to Americans. It doesn’t apply to foreigners. It applies to the Federal Government, and there’s nothing in there that gives the feds this kind of power.
Some follow up reading:
“To Whom Does the Bill of Rights Apply?”
http://www.populistamerica.com…..ghts_apply
dakine01 it is Ena in greek ;)
Good evening/afternoon everyone. Encouraging decision; let’s hope it is upheld on appeal.
Unfortunately, I am sure this will be appealed to the Supreme Court, ASAP. EW, or anyone have any thoughts on how it might play there?
good going!!
It was a 2-1 vote. Is there anything of substance in the dissent that the wingnuts on the Supreme Court can latch onto? They will want to support our dictator, er, president if they can find an excuse.
Scarecrow @ 7
Not good for the Bushies to have the Fourth ruling this way, is it?
Right On, Scarecrow!!! I was hoping it would attract more attention!!! I had commented earlier today;
CTuttle says:
June 11th, 2007 at 1:37 pm
OT Chalk up another small victory for Habeus Corpus today!!!
http://balkin.blogspot.com/200…..rcuit.html
did I mention that joe “the lying fraud” lieberman sucks?
Hi Scarecrow!
Well if Bush stays true to form, he is likely to declare that the appeals court judges for the 4th Circuit are unlawful enemy combatants. Problem solved, Bush style.
Hugh @ 15
that’s beautiful … and if you disagree, then you’re supporting the enemy, and so you too are an enemy combattant. And since you didn’t have a uniform on, then geneva conventions don’t apply!
Scarecrow @ 7
Isn’t it scheduled for an enbanc vote within the Fourth? Should be interesting!!! Great post!!!
Take your vitamins, Justice Stevens!
Hugh @ 15
I hear there are some kakistocraptacularly qualified Regent grads that are out of a job and could fill those vacant positions…
The ruling will be ignored. How will the judges enforce their ruling when the rot has extended to the those who do the enforcing?
Gee Hardball has gone from Sopranos to Mike Huckabee and the tease at the commercial is Der Scoots and Der Chimpenfuhrer.
Where’s punaise?
sonate @ 10
Only had a quick glance at the dissent — a District Court Judge (Hudson). Checking . . . He says he agrees that the MCA does not divest the court of jurisdiction under the constitution. But he argues that the President could designate al Marri as an enemy combatant. He then goes through the “evidence” supporting that designation, which was primarily an affidative by a security expert for the US, which was produced long after the guy was designated as an enemy combatant. He concludes:
He ignores the problem pointed out by the majority that the MCA has a mechanism for declaring people enemy combatants — and the government didn’t follow that mechanism.
allan_in_upstate @ 3
I happen to like my Ninth, I’m disappointed Shrub has diluted that pool of Commies!!! :-(
CTuttle @ 24
That’s pinko-commie, please.
David Gergen on CNN — Is Bush a lame duck, wolf asks? Gergen: “He sure walks like one and talks like one. . . “
OT – But related to a civil case that’s being followed on line. Click here and then scroll to the bottom! LOL
http://www.flipthislawsuit.com/files/60.PDF
1,544 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Scarecrow:
Great news…thanx for the enlightenment and the boost of hope, now how do the votes line up en banc for the full 4th Circuit?
Let’s hope this mother gets an expedited hearing and we ken hang this issue around the necks of every fascist up for re-election. Even if the kangaroo Supreme Court sends it back…it will be an issue and judicial appointments will doom the fascists at the polls.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T LET ‘EM GET AWAY WITH ANYTHING!!
Scarecrow @ 7
it appeals to me.
I love that judges think the Preznit should be able to imprison, indefinitely, people who are “the type of stealth warrior used by al Qaeda.” Going by “type” is so…. um, American!
I just want to say this for the record. The circuit in which I practiced law is the Fourth — and they are, without question, the most conservative, tough on crime, hardassed circuit in the country. Bar none. If the Bush Administration has lost the Fourth Circuit, they are done on these issues. Finished. There may be a few more last gasp attempts but, honestly, the Fourth Cir. ruling this way is jawdropping for me — I don’t get to say this very often, but good on them.
Aah, the MSM is taking notice! Wolfie was just discussing it in the Situation Room!!! :-O
Scarecrow @ 23
so that doesn’t seem to leave much for SCOTUS to pick at … of course, assuming that we don’t have a court packed with “activist judges”
Scarecrow @ 26
I think Gergen expected a White House job after Baker-Hamilton was turned in; remember all that TradMed chatter about W hiring an “old hand?” You are hearing the voice of a frustrated job-seeker when you hear Gergen, in my view.
TeddySanFran @ 30
Yeah — I haven’t googled the judge, but the rhetoric he uses in several places suggests he’s very comfortable with the unilateral executive protecting us from evil. Just as guess.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 31
Amen, Sister!!! However, will the enbanc panel vote similiarly??? That is the $64,000 Question!!! Any word on when that will be???
Lieberman on attacking Iran — coming up next on CNN/Blitzer.
ok, who wants to explain enbanc in the 30secs I have before my plane takes off?
Scarecrow @ 37
Has anyone criticized this preposterous idea and its toxic messenger, outside of the blogosphere? Democrats, we’re waiting. [taps foot]
TeddySanFran @ 39
ok! I’ll criticize. Wait … I’m in the blogosphere right now … oops
Christy Hardin Smith @ 31
Thank you Christy maybe I will sleep a little better tonight
Scarecrow @ 37
Oh, Goody, two A*P*C pals discussing old times together, and reminiscing on how things ought to be!!! *g*
From the Reuters report on this:
lee5 — En banc means that the entire panel of judges on the Fourth Cir. will now either rule on the appeal or pass on hearing it, which would clear the way for it to head to the Supreme Court. En banc is the whole panel.
1,544 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizens Scarecrow and Hardin Smith:
Ok sisters, give us some early numbers on how the enbanc 4th Circuit is likely ta come down.
Judicial appointments, Roe V Wade, habeas and torture all are gunna look mighty good around the necks of Bushwankers.
KEEP THE FAITH AND USE THE POWER!!!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 44
is this optional? Does the whole court decide? Or does the panel decide to send it for “in bank” review?
(thanks, christy — and the reply even made it b4 they told me to shut off my laptop!)
lee5 @ 38
ok, who wants to explain enbanc in the 30secs I have before my plane takes off?
means the entire panel of judges from the 4th Circ, as opposed to just the three who decided this case.
lee5 @ 38
Enbanc entails all the 4th Circuit Judges voting to sustain/overturn the three-judge panel’s decision!!!
Please! Serious question, not sarcastic snark!
What is the status of Gitmo re international law? I infer from Scarecrow’s post that, unlike an embassy compound on foreign soil, Gitmo is not considered U.S. territory. Otherwise the court ruling would apply there as well as in the continental 48 etc. Right?
Yes, we were welcomed there by Battista’s earlier Cuban (U.S. puppet) government, but we have been asked to leave by the current (independent) Cuban government. So, once again, what’s Gitmo’s status under international law?
Someone with legal knowledge please explain. To this layman it looks as if we are saying it’s OK to violate U.S. law on territory where the U.S. is violating international law. (That would mark our nation as both outlaw and morally reprehensible.) Or, if the pretext is that Cuba legally ceded the land to the U.S., then why isn’t it subject to U.S. law?
I repeat: Serious questions, not snark. Hep me, folks!
well, yeah …. we would be the new soviet union … doing our best to head towards a former empire, with all the unnecessary pain and suffering that such a fall usually entails …
Cozumel @ 27
Synopsis: The judge is threatening to sick the FBI or US Attorney or Grand Jury and/or god knows what on a blog for covering the case! LOL
ok, they’re telling me to hang up. bye all. and thanks for the en banc info …
Scarabus — I’ll leave more complete answer to the practicing lawyers — but in simplest terms: the US Supreme Court has held that some rights apply at Gitmo because it’s under exclusive US control; but not all the rights that apply to legal residents or citizens of the US. The defendant here as a legal resident, and he was seized/arrested in the US, not on “the “battlefield” as most of the detainees at Gitmo.
Constitutional lawyers feel free to correct me.
Scarabus @ 49
Ironically, all military posts are historically deemed sovereign soil within our judiciary’s eyes! Legal precedence has long since established that thesis, however, Shrub/Deadeye, considered that notion as quaint and declared Gitmo Cuban territory!!! Part of the Unitary Executive, I guess!!!
This is OT, too. What was the ‘trojan horse’ that Biden referred to in the last debate? He was talking about the latest Supreme Ct. ruling on abortion and he said he’s troubled by the TJ that was inserted to help a future decision overturn Roe vs Wade.
BTW, this story doesn’t even make the front page of CNN.com.
Wanker.com of the day.
I besolai @ 55
I believe he was talking about the so-called “partial birth” abortion, which is a meaningless term as far as medicine is concerned.
Nice to see BushCo get another legal slap in the face.
More please.
The al Marri case as well as the finding last week that Omar Ahmed Khadr and Salim Ahmed Hamdan (yes, that Hamdan) were found to be enemy combatants but not unlawful ones as required by the MCA show that even when Bush and company are allowed to make up their own rules, they are still too stupid, arrogant, and incompetent to follow them.
Hugh @ 59
This is what slays me. Congress gave the regime everything they asked for, and they still fucked it up. This is a bizarre conflagration of incompetence, arrogance, carelessness, and hubris never before seen on the world stage, I believe.
Bustednuckles @ 58
Please, sir, can they have a few more?
Hugh @ 59
I really sense that our Third Branch of Govt. is finally getting disgusted with the Executive’s shenanigans, and will finally assert their Checks and Balances on the Executive, particularly within the light of the Legislative’s pathetic attempts to Check Shrub’s megalomania!!!
TeddySanFran @ 60
The cases they’re losing are those with a lot of history — when they were acting unilaterally and competely outside the law. The cases are so screwed up they can’t get them back under the law without conceding they acted illegally in the first place. And they’re still looking for shortcuts.
Nice ruling, but meaningless, sad to say. What is to keep Bushco from violating this or any other ruling? Is Gonzo suddenly going to start obeying the law? Won’t they figure out a subterfuge to get around it?
If you can violate the FISA Act, lie to Congress, violate the Hatch Act, violate the DOJ’s own rules as regards to timing indictments, and lie about that, as well, violate the terms of the AUMF and lie about that too, interfere with investigations, stonewall, out CIA covert operatives and get away with it all and Congress just sits back and takes it like a bunch of pussies and “impeachment is off the table,” well, who cares about some silly court order?
“Badges? We don’t have to show you no stinkin’ badges” is now “Laws? We don’t have to follow no stinkin’ laws.”
OT – The Supreme Court fucks workers over again, with help from Breyer.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/200…..me_workers
CTuttle @ 62
Maybe lower courts will, but I wouldn’t be so sure about the present Supreme Court.
Just watched Howard Fineman explain to us how “political” the Gonzales no-confidence vote was, and he meant that in a negative way. Where does he get off? We have an AG who’s condoning unlawful hiring/firing practices that have seriously undermined the administration of justice, and he calls those who want to bring attention to it “political.” The MSM is witnessing one the most important stories of the last 50 years — the complete destruction of the integrity of the US government — and they can’t even report it straight.
CTuttle @ 62
Maybe even this most conservative circuit is pissed off at the whole Abu mess too.
baystatelibrul posted this earlier:
“While we are waiting for the no-confidence
vote…
Last 12 prez’s IQ’s
Clinton 182
Carter 175
JFK 174
Nixon 155
FDR 147
Truman 132
LBJ 126
Eisenhower 122
Gerry Ford 121
Reagan 105
George Bush the first 98
Junior Bush 91
If we can’t impeach, how’s about an Amendment
(retro) that the Prez must have an IQ over 100?”
=================
incompetent, people keep saying……yep.
it was from a real study, sorry, didn’t copy that part.
i said “ignorance is bliss”
Morris Sheppard @ 64
I don’t agree this is meaningless. Every decision we get that reaffirms the rule of law and the primacy of the Constitution over the administration’s unilateral approach is a victory. It makes it easier to reestablish the rule of law in the future. It we didn’t have these decisions, we’d be in worse shape than we are now.
Morris Sheppard @ 64
I think the chickens are coming home to roost, Kharma’s such a b*tch!!! Lady Justice maybe blind (and draped!), however, she still wields a hefty sword!!! *g*
Scarecrow @ 67
Fineman is another establishment tool.
CTuttle @ 54
I don’t know if this is true. I think it depends on the status of forces within a country. Americans in Germany after WWII were probably covered by agreements between the occupying powers with no reference to Germans. After a new German government was put together in West Germany, there was likely a status of forces agreement as well as some residual 4 powers agreements. Today the only operative agreement would be the current status of forces agreement with the German government.
Re Cuba, the US after the Spanish-American War got a perpetual lease on Guantanamo for a nominal yearly fee. Cuba retains sovereignty but can’t exercise it. The US doesn’t have sovereignty but does exercise authority as if it did have sovereignty. This was the Catch 22 with which the Bush Administration tried to create a legal blackhole in Guantanamo. I believe it was in Rasul that SCOTUS did not buy this argument. It was in Hamdan that SCOTUS told the Executive how they could get around this problem by having Congress become involved with the MCA. But as the appeals court has shown and indeed even earlier with Padilla, the courts are not willing to cede complete control to the Executive and are not willing to allow it to set up little Guantanamo’s in this country, at least not yet.
Scarecrow @ 67
The mess Bush has created will last a long time.
“The evil that men do lives after them; The good is oft interred with their bones.” In W’s case, there is precious little good, and a whole heaping helping of evil.
Fineman is a pet of the regime
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 72
it’s worse than that. It’s unprofessional; intellectually lazy.
A very important ruling that will likely make it to the Supreme Court as the Bush crowd don’t take hints well. It is refreshing to see a US Court reestablish that American citizens still have rights.
dmac @ 69
Wow. Where’d you get your info, dmac? I have said at the local school board level, people running for the office ought to have to take the same competency tests that teachers have to take before being cleared to run. At the very least, people running for congress or other national offices ought to have to take a test on the constitution, and whatever else. A 91 IQ for this president does not sound out of line.
Scarecrow @ 67
The political vote where Obama was a no show? That does it for me with Obama; that and getting foreign affairs advice from a war criminal (Colin Powell).
I too wondered who Powell’s comment was really supposed to benefit.
DoIT @ 77
Yes — and note that al Marri was not a “citizen” of the US; he was a legal resident alien — a citizen of Qatar on student visa in the US. The 5th amendment guarantee of due process of law applies to all “persons” in the US, not just citizens.
Scarecrow @ 70
Scarecrow-
yes, but… what is the rule of law if there is no enforcement and no consequences to violating it? You are right about one thing, though. The rule of law in will be the future, because it sure ain’t happening now.
Hugh@73, I agree, Sofa’s, do determine the extent of sovereignty, held by the Host-Nation, similarly, our Embassys, however, our Judiciary treats it as American Soil, and our Nation’s laws apply as they do here in the States!!! Does that clear it up a little? :-)
Scarecrow @ 81
that makes it all the more significant, in my particularly humble opinion
Elliott @ 84
Yes– there are lots of legal residents here who are not citizens — and their rights were recognized today.
Thinking about al-Marri, and the 4th Circuit, isn’t the 4th the appellate court for Padilla’s case? Anyone???
We should have a thread on:
“Sure-fire signs the Republic is Lost”
So, for instance – ‘08 Election cancelled, Bush declared Preznit for Life – that would be a sure-fire sign the Republic is gone and not coming back.
Whaddayathink?
Might make for some dark humor, at the least.
Not entirely off topic is this NYT story about how Scooter’s BFF
Torture is Fine by MeAlan Dershowitz got someone denied tenure at DePaul because he criticized Israel.Scarecrow @ 67
OK, that’s always a mistake. So much of the media is still reporting as if Bush’s JARs were in the 70s and the Republicans still controlled the House and Senate, which goes to the point if these changes have no effect upon them then facts are unlikely to have much impact on them either.
Add in that most of the media have more in common with the Bush haves and have-mores than with ordinary Americans, that their careers are built on access rather than independent investigation, and that they socialize, date, and even marry those they are supposed to be covering, and you have your answer as to why this has occurred, is occurring, and will continue to occur.
Another example: I heard Ted Koppel on NPR this afternoon. He was laying into Hillary’s stand on Iraq and the vapid debate on Iraq inside the Democratic Party. I actually have no problem with this but Koppel never mentioned the whacked out apocalyptic idiocies of the Republican candidates on this issue. Nope, he was just there to bash Dems under the guise of being a long time international diplomatic correspondent (and crypto neocon).
CTuttle @ 86
Yes.
radiofreewill @ 87
That would be worthy of a Cable Guy skit; Ya might be a Redneck, if…!!! ;-)
Scarecrow @ 81
If “in the US” also applies to military bases, then habeas applies everywhere we have jurisdiction, whether that be on US territory here at home or on military bases where we rule.
That means at Gitmo where we have authority everyone there should also have Habeas Corpus rights protection.
Close Gitmo!
Phoenix Woman has a new post/thread upstairs.
Scarecrow @ 93
What Scarecrow said.
allan_in_upstate @ 88
That was Finkelstein (sp?) I think. He was controversial since he challenged a lot of the memes of traditional Jewish lobbies in this country, for example financial exploitation of the Holocaust by them. If he had written on any other group or subject, his position in academia would have been assured. A lot of academics get tenured without being particularly accurate or insightful. Even controversy is OK if it is one currently in style. This was not the case with Finkelstein and his university showed its real commitment to academic freedom by bailing on him.
Scarecrow @ 90
Couldn’t this ruling be utilized by Padilla’s Defense team? Or does it need to be settled, pending the enbanc results?
You might be a fascist if…….
-GSD
Wow. And the Fourth is as fascist as they come, having been the first of the circuit courts the Federalist Society cast its covetous eyes upon once their allies gained power.
Hugh @ 95
yes, Democracy Now! had been covering the story – dershowitz didn’t like having his book on israel called (accurately) a hoax, among other things.
You might be a fascist if…….
-GSD
…if you actually look GOOD in brown shirts…
…if your reflexively click your heals when ordered to do something…
…if you find and admire the Leader’s deft touch in even the most banal event…
…you don’t think Mussolini’s brother didn’t have it coming…
…you have dear friends and family buying real estate and water rights in Paraguay…
…you tingle deliciously at the idea of compelling a fellow human to betray a principle–or or better yet a friend or comrade–just to stop the pain…
ewe jis maht be a fayshist…
Hugh @ 95
i was never in any real doubt.
finkelstein touches too many nerves, not unlike ward churchill does, with his allusions of eichman in the docile salarymen in the towers that day…
i expect finkelstein’s fixin’ already to be revered in some quarters…not so churchill, who’s about to be fired (from a tenured position) at ColoradU, and will be dropped like a plaguey rodent by the ‘respectable’ academic establishment.
/
loohoo
Wow. Where’d you get your info, dmac? I have said at the local school board level, people running for the office ought to have to take the same competency tests that teachers have to take before being cleared to run. At the very least, people running for congress or other national offices ought to have to take a test on the constitution, and whatever else. A 91 IQ for this president does not sound out of line.
sorry, it was posted earlier today by baystatelibrul–he/she mentioned the study name in another comment, but didn’t copy it down, someone showed up to visit right then and didn’t go back, was from earlier today. i wanted to know if it was for real, and mentioned the study name…….i shut my computer down when company came, so don’t know which thread, sorry.
I just finished a post about the same topic. Now I need to read through this and see what I missed.
Scarecrow @ 90
No, actually. The Fourth was the venue on appeal of Padilla’s habeas petition, because the case originated in the District Court in South Carolina, which has habeas jurisdiction over the Charleston Brig.
Padilla’ criminal trial is proceeding in the Southern District of Florida. Any appeal will go to the Eleventh Circuit, which is headquartered in Atlanta.
dmac @ 69
I would like this to be true but I am afraid it is a hoax. See Presidential IQ hoax