Dear Senator Reid,
This is just getting silly. Joe Lieberman (CFL-CT) is now publicly advocating for war with Iran.
When he appeared on Face the Nation this morning, do you suppose Dick Cheney's lips even moved?
This would not be your problem except for the fact that people consider Lieberman a Democrat, thanks to the seniority he retains as the powerful Chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee. That you put him forward as the face of the Democratic Party by giving him the cherry assignment of responding on behalf of Democrats after George Bush's speech (wherein he was allowed to paint himself as the hero of Walter Reed) didn't help anything. I won't even mention your comment during the debate on timetables to the effect that "there isn't a senator I have more respect for than Joe Lieberman" because shortly thereafter Joe basically called you a traitor. I think we can all agree that this accrued more to your own personal shame than that of the party.
Anyway, we find ourselves in a position where you are sitting on a big pile of dry powder and it's starting to look like a mountain of TNT that the Connecticut for Lieberman Senator is threatening to take a match to. I know that when Democrats recently voted to give George Bush everything he wanted and more for his pet war with absolutely no restrictions whatsoever this move was sold to us as a shrewd political ploy to give the Republicans ownership of the war. I guess this was supposed to drive Bush's poll numbers into the shitter while the Democrats, coated with some sort of Teflon, could sit there and shrug "well, not my problem."
Forget for a moment just how cynical this sounded even as the dead bodies continue to pile up -- this collective amnesia with regard to the election of November 2006 is somewhat startling because most people noted at the time that the Democrats had been handed a majority expressly for the purpose of getting the country out of this quagmire. And sure enough, when the poll numbers were released subsequent to the supplemental vote, George Bush's popularity didn't suffer squat but the approval ratings of congressional Democrats dropped a whopping 10%.
Think about that. Ten per-cent. This would seem to constitute a problem.
The approval rating of Democrats is eroding rapidly, and pointing that out is not "doing Karl Rove's bidding." The failure of leadership you have demonstrated with regard to ending this war has the potential to damage the entire party. And the most public, most egregious example of this failure, the one that continues to engender public disgust, which threatens to destroy not only faith in the Democratic party but the belief that political solutions to our problems are even possible is the continued party reverence paid to the warmongering Joe Lieberman who is not even an elected Democrat.
As Markos said recently:
I WISH he'd bolt, but he won't. He has more influence doing his periodic threats. I wish Reid would simply strip him of his committee assignments and bid him adieu.
I realize you're dealing with all that Senate collegiality stuff which is completely meaningless to the rest of us and doubly so to all those who are, you know, dying in Iraq, but it's time to remember what Democrats were elected to do in November and reclaim it from Dick Cheney's marionettes. Every time Joe Lieberman opens his mouth he exacerbates tensions in the region and takes a sledgehammer to the Democratic brand. It's time to exercise some leadership and send a message that Democrats are ready to stop being roundheels for the Bush administration.
Time to make a public example and say "enough" to being held hostage by Dick Cheney's pet warmonger.
Cut. Him. Loose.
(video courtesy ctblogger)
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Jane!!!
How’s the contest against Stoller coming along?
I forgot to add, are you gonna call Reid’s office with this tomorrow? Can I have permission to call Reid’s office and use your letter when I tell whomever answers the phone, that HoJo must go?
Great etter to Reid Jane. Especially this part, (and since we have journalists in this country (and FOX) who purposely keep calling him a dem):
This would not be your problem except for the fact that people consider Lieberman a Democrat, thanks to the seniority he retains as the powerful Chairman of the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee.
Nah
Gah
Happen
RGJoe offers the DeeCee Democrats so much cover on the war and everything else (”see, we could accomplish so much if it wasn’t for bad old Joe!!”)
Besides, the 08 frontrunner’s guru, Mark Penn, is a Lieberman fan. So our best hope for getting rid of RGJoe might be a winning Clinton/Lieberman ticket next year. (This thought is for all of you who’ve wondered, “Could there be a Veep worse than Cheney?”)
Dear Senator Reid,
As a life-long Democrat - may I call you Harry? Harry as a life long Democrat, may I point something very truthful out to you. As I told myself a few days ago, it is in your PROFOUND best interests and the best interests of the whole Democratic Senate Caucus to do WHATEVER you can to avoid having Ms Jane Hamsher, Ms Christy Hardin Smith, and Ms Marcy Wheeler p*ss’d at you. This is a basic truth and lesson that it seems you and many others are going out of your way to avoid learning. More fool you for your failure.
zed
I prefer to wait until 2008 when we don’t need him anymore. Then we can kick him to the curb. I don’t want to lose the subpoena power in the Senate.
Jane,
I kind of wondered when you would bring up Joe’s latest drumbeat for war. The guy does have a way of being an idiot. Cheney is happy as is Richard Perle and others who haven’t let the debacle of Iraq derail their grand scheme.
The L-man is mentally ill. I just don’t know how else to put it.
Jane, I know you have had one eye on the old Gang of Fourteen members for a long time so I thought of you (and Hugh, a big fan of the ISG /snark) when I read this article today. It’s written by Arkansas own version of David Broder who can’t suck up to Sen. Mark Lieber-lovin’ Pryor enough.
Sure looks like the old gang members, though split up somewhat, are far from planning on supporting a pull-out in September (or ever).
Unfortunately no rumors of anyone stepping up to run against Pryor at this point in time.
Traitor
He keeps jabbering about “leaving it to the generals” wtf will he do if they decide it’s time to hang it up, call them traitors too?
He is pathetic.
Joe Lieberman needs a hobby. This is getting ridiculous. Oh - and by the way - don’t associate Powder Mountain (an incredible ski area) with “dry” Powder Mountain! Cheers!
Lieberman got Michael Ledeen endorsement to be Secretary of State.
So that tells you something about the level to which Joementum has sunk.
I’m shamelessly EPU’ing myself, because Lieberman/Deputy Dawg fits this somewhat - think of the catfish as Iraq:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hmv9A2YirMQ
raven @ 12
No — W’s put admirals in charge. Of our military, engaged in a ground war in Asia.
I agree that Lieberman should be stripped of his chairmanship, for failure to do his job. Reid can’t use Iraq as the excuse, because the Dem candidates aren’t that far from Joe. Have any of the Dem candidates taken bombing Iran off the table? — “all options are open” is the Party’s position, as far as I can tell.
But’s RGJoe’s arranged his Committee’s seating Dem-GOP-Dem-GOP-Dem-GOP. Surely that counts for something?
Just an aside: Are the advisors to the Democratic Party paid better by the Democrats, or the Republicans. Anyone have the figures?
Joe Lieberman is Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s BFF.
Saber rattling in the US is exactly what he wants and needs.
Heckuva job, Joey.
There is an arguement that pops up every-time the Dump Joe idea gets up some momentum. Supposedly, if Joe goes, the Dems lose their majority, and their chairs, and along with the chairs, the power of subpoena, for all the good it has done so far. The counter argument goes something like-there is an agreement made that preserves the chairmanships of the committees. Anyone know what the real story is on this?
Good post.
jim p @ 20
You know, I’ve been wondering about that. Do you think it works like realtors? The realtor is always working for the seller….and ultimately the realtor makes money from both parties…it is the sale that counts for their own personal profit.
Rob Zuber @ 8
OT, but did you write a letter to Walton?
allan_in_upstate @ 21
He’s incapable of “saber rattling”, it’s more like waving a wet noodle. He’s a traitor to the party, and I hope he goes away.
Lieberman is a psychopath.
this Lieberman is a real neo con…man, if he says it think the republicans it MUST be true since HE’S a democrat AND he’s agreeing with bush and cheney
I said it before…we need to get rid of this Judas sheep he does far more damage if we allow him to pretend he’s a democrat…we need him out of the party and Right quick
SAM Seder [spelling?] had a GREAT piece today on Lieberman
pointing out it is IMPOSSIBLE for Iran to be responsible for any al qaeda attacks they are sects that are diametrically opposed to each other
and Lieberman came up with statistics that are mind boggling in how false they are…things like “90 percent of the attacks are supplied by Iran”
we need to get rid of this guy as soon as we can
Scarecrow @ 18
At the MSNBC debate Gravel blasted all the other candidates for that position.
TeddySanFran @ 17
The Chair of the Joint Chief is an Admiral but I get yer snark!
Doesn’t Lieberman = Love Man????
Great post Jane. I wrote Harry Reid immediately after Face the Nation…
…there has been so much to be angry about lately, but Lieberman’s war posturing and malignant dishonesty has to stop.
The presidential candidates need to be mobilized to refute his remarks as well.
Imposter
perris @ 28
I wish Olberman would book him - then expose his phony facts.
Another outstanding post, Jane!!! I would quibble with Markos, in that, Reid can’t strip Hojo of his Chairmanship of Homeland Security if he does bolt!!! All the Senate Chairs are ‘Named’, irrespective of Partisan Affiliation, to remedy that, it would literally toss the Senate into a split Senate, with Cheney casting the decisive vote!!! Something we really need to be aware of folks!!! *g*
LS @ 31
no
it’s actually;
lie to man
lie= “lie”
ber= “to” somewhere or other but don’t expect a source or anything
man= “man”
see?
Patrick @ 31
Oh yea, that’s gonna happen, remember:
But Clinton said Lieberman had been a strong supporter of his own economic, environmental and energy policies. Both Clinton and his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), have said they support Lieberman in the primary but will back the Democratic nominee in November’s general election.
raven @ 29
So is CENTCOM.
Upon what authority did Joe go on national Teevee this morning and literally threaten the sovereign nation of Iran?????!!!!
This is outrageous!!! He is not the Secretary of State, he is not the Secretary of Defense, and he is not the Presizent or the Vice Presdinezt.
This was orchestrated, planned, and the man should be banned from any interaction or access to the Democratic Party, post haste. He is a traitor, an imposter, and an infiltrator, and I would wage that he is reporting back to the neocons everything he learns when he is speaking with the Democratic leadership in private. This is serious. He is not a Democrat. Remove his access.
Bravo Jane!
What worries me - a lot - is that Lieberman carries the WH message and his statement today coupled with W’s appointment of Mueller as JCOS who is known as a “watcher of Iran” suggests that we are getting closer.
I seem to recall - very clearly in fact - that this time last year, Harry Reid playing progressive hero spoke at YKOS and promised - promised - that there would be no attack on Iran without congressional authorization. Funny how we haven’t heard a peep of that recently and the no war on Iran clause got pulled from the supplemental …
So Harry - ditch Lieberman and keep your promise to us on Iran! we have very long memories!
perris @ 36
LOL, I was being bad….;>.. DC and all, bribery, blackmail and all….I thought one says, Ich lieber dich! (or something like that)
Aggressive war is against the Geneva Conventions.
If we still care.
Joe needs exposure.
How much is a full page ad in the Wall Street Journal?
This is great, I get to be all pissed off for the end of Tony!
Raven 37, Maybe that is because he didn’t realize that Joe is a spy for someone. Is Hillary still letting him in the inside circle? If so, bad move Hillary. Wake-up.
In the wake of the voters general disenchantment with ChimpCo, the occupations unpopularity and Chimpy’s bad numbers, I had hoped that Mrs. Collins or Mrs. Snow (or both) could be pulled over, making RGJoe less relevant. But that seems farther away now.
Get well, Senator Johnson.
His voice makes my ears bleed.
But his views make me heartsick. How can someone believe that to get a country to “play by the rules” and “join the international community” we need to BOMB it? You can tell, in the FtN tape, when RGJoe goes into his talking points: he swallows and looks away from the camera — and spouts.
By moving “reasonable discourse” wide enough to include bombing Iran, he’s made W’s endless occupation of Iraq seem a moderate, middle position. He and Cheney are opening an entirely other Overton window with their “bomb Iran” framing.
I love Scheiffer’s take: he doesn’t call RGJoe out on his insanity, but practically wets himself on camera that a guest has “made some news” on his absurd little programme.
“There is credible evidence” that Lieberman is a fucking asshole. Sheesh, “I’m not talking about a massive ground invasion, just a little bombing across the border.” Yeah, that’ll work.
Bravo Jane! But, alas, it won’t happen. The Dems would have to have a some balls to do this, and they haven’t shown any yet in the 6 years of this administration.
Siun @ 40
Did not our Speaker promise a standalone floor vote on the IranWar authority when she pulled it from the supplemental bill that got vetoed? When’s that vote gonna happen, Nancy?
Siun @ 40
Exactly. Exactly.
We need to think about who should be our party’s leader in the Senate come 2009. Cuz it ain’t Harry: Lieberman-respecting forced-birth proponent.
Geneva Conventions? I care very, very much.
Come on, Jane. “This is totally silly.” I’ve been linking to statements Senator Lieberman has been openly making in the Israeli press advocating nothing different, sometimes in a more bellicose manner, than what he said this morning. As long as he’s been making them. But there should be no surprise there. I believe I was the first here to post this - on January 3 or 4:
In a stark statement published on Saturday Brigadier General Oded Tira observed, “President Bush lacks the political power to attack Iran. As an American strike in Iran is essential for our existence, we must help him pave the way by lobbying the Democratic Party (which is conducting itself foolishly) and US newspaper editors. We need to do this in order to turn the Iranian issue to a bipartisan one and unrelated to the Iraq failure.”
Because of the dramatic loss of political power of the Bush-Cheney administration, General Tira urges the Israel Lobby to, “turn to Hillary Clinton and other potential presidential candidates in the Democratic Party so that they support immediate action by Bush against Iran.”
Fred Thompson is about to board a small private jet to Dov Haz International right this hour.
I really do wonder who’s gonna whack Reid upside the head. Metaphorically speaking, of course.
As part of my nascent 50 state blog addiction, I went to see what was there about Reid and Lieberman (edit- in Nevada). Not much, that I could find.
Lieberman can’t be recalled in CT, irrc.
I’ve heard something to the effect that “the power is at the point of pressure”, but where is that, in this case?
TeddySanFran @ 52
When is Chris Dodd’s seat up? 2010!
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 2
I won, but it was only a short-term goal.
Now we must have more members of the FDL group (317) than the MyDD group has (477).
As Pach said last night, “We must crush them. I expect to talk to Matt Stoller later tomorrow, and it would be nice if I could talk some smack to him about it.”
Ditto that.
Ed*ard Teller @ 54
She’s keeping it alive for some of us who are not totally focused on this specific issue. Lot’s of stuff gets recycled here don’t ya think?
Been lurking here in the shadows here for quite some time and really appreciate the quality writing and thoughtful intelligent comments. It is so refreshing to find a place where the trolls are mainly conspicuous by their absence.
There is one thing I don’t understand and that is what is wrong with Lieberman being called a Democrat. How is that going to hurt the Dems politically in 08?
Is there anything wrong with being known as a party that embraces a broad swath of the political spectrum? It may pay dividends by attracting voters who may not in the past been comfortable voting Dem. It’s high time they started to sell themselves as the party of the center and start being proud to be both progressive and liberal.
It’s time for me to make a donation, this is too good to be free.
Some might think I am furious with my party. And they’d be pretty close. I want Lieberman gone from my party. And I am fully aware of the possible consequences.
Lawrence @ 59
Lay off him till the check clears! :)
Hey Connecticut!!!! Your Senator wants WAR!!!
Is that how YOU voted????
What precisely is Mr. Lieberman’s agenda?
CTuttle @ 35
Actually, with the death of the Senator Thomas of Wyoming, who knows what happens now. Besides, who knows how Pryor or the Nelsons would vote.
newtonusr @ 56
I can tell you who I think ought to be Senate Majority Leader. Russ Feingold!!!
Hello Pups, Not a lot of time to comment lately, we’re all harvesting our hay right now, sun-up til sun-down, it’s not like the farm bill is save our asses. Anyway, this makes me think of the post a couple previuos, Who are we now? And who the fuck is Joe Liarman? This guy is NOT a dem, he is wolf in sheeos clothing, plain and simple. A traitor to the people since he can’t even give an honest answer as to which party he is a part of. I am so sick of him, I wish he would just crawl off somewhere and dehydrate into nothingness. But of course he won’t, he’s got too much at stake what with blowing GWB all the time, what a tool.
Democrats. Do not deal with a blackmailer. Strip Lieberman of any influence in the party. Force his hand.
Tap Duncan @ 66
Hey Tap
You got stuff to harvest huh, the shit is weak here in Georgia with this drought.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
Yep.
Valley Girl @ 55
Actually, if I understood what I’ve read correctly, NO senators or congress persons can be recalled, even in those states that do have recall provisions in their election codes. Those are considered “federal” offices and the only way to get them out after being seated is for the appropriate body to expel them I believe James Trafficant was the last expulsion after he was convicted for bribery and other charges a few years ago. Most folks do the resignation bit prior to an act of expulsion.
I see I had al ot of typos, it must be the tequila…Ha Ha Ha Ive been on the tractor for 3 days straight, cut me some slack.
Hey Raven, Semper Fi My Brother…
BUT: if Reid “stripped him of his committee assignments and bid him adieu”… then
(1) Lieberman would become Republican, and…
(2) with Cheney, the Senate would be Republican, and…
(3) Reid would no longer be Majority Leader, and….
(4) Lieberman would again be the pivot point of power.
Think Reid figgerd that out?
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 65
As long as we’re dreaming out-loud - President Feingold.
Tap Duncan @ 71
Back atcha
new up on think progress, leahey should get this out to all republicans before the vote of no confidence…or maybe postpone the vote;
just peeking in to say
Kristina vanden Heuvel on CSPAN 1 for the hour
and down with Joe!
and frankly, goodbye Reid
Raven— If it was worht my while I’d ship it there, but last year it was even worse. I hope ya’ll get some kind of a reprieve, we got 8 inches of rain last week alone, now the first cutting is huge!!! Semper Fi Brother, and Thinking about you MUCH!!!
Bill @ 72
As has been explained previously, the organizing resolution for the Senate in the 110 Senate specified individuals by name for the various roles and committee chairs so even if Lieberman becomes a republic tomorrow, Reid stays as majority leader and all the committees (except for homeland security and oversight) stay in Democratic hands.
Given Lieberman’s creepy psyche, I am sure any move against him would be met with a full on tantrum. He will expose himself as a whiny charlatan. I’d like to see that (and Russ Feingold as Majority Leader)
“In one sense, watching Congress do what it does is an affirmation of how fortunate Americans are that the Nation’s founders understood the importance of creating a nation of laws with checks and balances. On the other hand, unless you spend some time in say, prison, you won’t find another place where you can observe just how far people will go to get what they want,” Robert H. McElroy
There is no sunlight between my opinion of Joe Lieberman and Punaises’ opinion of Sanctimonious War-Mongering Joe.
-GSD
P.S.
Albania can have Bush.
Tap Duncan @ 77
I moved down here from Illinois in 84, in 86 there was another bad one and the farmers in Illinois and other midwest states sent down feed that almost killed the cattle because it was so much richer than the stuff down here. Only so much you get out of red clay!
dakine– You hit the nail fair and square on the head, and sank it bro’
Tap Duncan @ 77
Dude! If that is hay, then I’m happy. Paying $11 per bale as opposed to $5 two years ago!!!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 63
The Rapture. Followed by more research tax credits for Big Pharma* .
* Not the cigar-smoking, small-blue-pill popping one.
raven @ 82
Oh yeah I remember that one… it almost desimated the enitire herd crop for that year. At the time I was living and punching cows in NM and a lot of ranchers were afraid to import hay from the “green states”.. it could colic a cow in 2 days straight, and when you 2500 head to look after (Feeed lot or range) it got very scary, trust me. No one got a full night sleep from March til June. Don’t want to re-live that again, I god Woodrow….(Lonesome Dove reference given free of charge)… Tap
I don’t believe for one minute that the voters in Connecticut, as opposed to like-minded voters all over the country, singularily would support an attack on Iran!! Most of Connecticut is rural, so you can’t blame it on corporate ruler types, they only live in Stamford and that immediate area. It is a lie, and I don’t believe it. That election should have been investigated.
raven says:
June 10th, 2007 at 4:55 pm
Lawrence @ 59
Been lurking here in the shadows here for quite some time and really appreciate the quality writing and thoughtful intelligent comments. It is so refreshing to find a place where the trolls are mainly conspicuous by their absence.
There is one thing I don’t understand and that is what is wrong with Lieberman being called a Democrat. How is that going to hurt the Dems politically in 08?
Is there anything wrong with being known as a party that embraces a broad swath of the political spectrum? It may pay dividends by attracting voters who may not in the past been comfortable voting Dem. It’s high time they started to sell themselves as the party of the center and start being proud to be both progressive and liberal.
It’s time for me to make a donation, this is too good to be free.
Lay off him till the check clears! :)
The check just cleared paypal…so fire away
LS @ 84
I feel for you, I pay 3.00/bale. The thig is, we have 120 acres of hay to cut and bale, but we don’t have any place to keep that much. So I sell it off at $1.00 bale, and now we’re sitting pretty. My heart goes out to those in the drought areas, even tho’ there is no global warming…
See, the problem is, we’re not killing enough Arabs.
GSD @ 81
So can Paraguay.
Lieberman should have told the people of Conn. that he is a neocon Israeli.
I am not sure if that is offensive to anyone. It is not intended.
Tap Duncan @ 89
Send it to me!!! No, seriously, we are getting gouged also by the gas transport rates. TX has been in a drought for a couple of years, and they’ve been trucking it in from as far away as Florida. The hay dealers (if they know you are from here) just raise the price through the roof, because they know they can get it. Thankfully, it has been raining all spring here finally, and the prices are dropping. That is really hard work - I have done it. You well deserve some Cuervo Gold and a cervesa or 2, or 3 or whatever. ;)
Take my Rice, please.
-GSD
Lawrence @ 88
I’s just joshin around!
you know, why doesn’t someone ask this fool where he expects to get the resources to attack Iran since the president has depleted our armed forces to near breaking point?
we need to let this military moron dig his own grave with the things he says, we need to point out that military options are off the table BECAUSE of the unprovoked war in Iraq and BECAUSE of the people that actually think we can continue our course of action
Rob Zuber @ 8
What in heaven’s name do you mean by “don’t need him anymore”?
Ed*ard Teller @ 91
Yeah, how about Kazakstan(sp)????? We’ll let Borat take care of them…
Tap Duncan @ 89
I grew up in small town Kentucky and my VERY first job was putting up hay. Now, I don’t even think they do bales anymore, just do the big rolls and leave ‘em out in the field as I understand it.
Back in the day, we PRAYED to have farmers who bailed in the 45-50lb range and cried if we were hired by someone who bailed 70-75lb’ers…
dakine01 @ 78
Yes.
GSD @ 81
Do you think they’ll keep him if we ask real nice?
perris @ 96
I hope everyone realizes the only military options we havea against Iran are nuclear
that’s what cheney wants you know, an excuse to nuke Iran…he’s looking for an excuse and it seems that is actually the grand plan, they have deliberately depleted our conventioanl obtions where nothing but nuclea is left
the grand plan…and then martial law and then forever bush
Sangemon @ 97
Exactly that. The margin is so narrow right now. Without one vote, we lose oversight.
A little late to the party, but thanks, Jane - YOU NAILED IT!!!
Thank you, Jane, for expressing the frustration that we’re all feeling from the appeasement of Lieberman and lack of real progress on the huge issues facing us. Just the inaction of Lieberman’s committees is astounding!
Sangemon @ 97
if things go according to these maniac’s plan there will be no 08 election