Since the death of Steve Gilliard some really, really ugly stuff has been published on the right. I won’t give it traffic but it’s not too hard to find and it’s heavily linked in wingnuttia, who seem to think that now is a really good time to go after Steve because, being dead and all, he can’t deliver the righteous ass-whipping he most certainly would have meted out in life. It takes a special kind of courage to wait until your enemies are gone before unloading your ugliest vitriol, the same kind that pimps for wars you expect others to fight on your behalf. It’s a rather consistent character trait in the wrong-o-sphere.
Anyway, the General lays out the history here of a Nashville blogger, Brittany Gilbert, writing on an ABC affiliate blog who excerpted and reprinted one of the worst quotes without comment. The General, being one of Steve’s friends, wrote one of his patented letters to the affiliate brass. When the blogger announced that she had meant it ironically, the General made note of it but having seen the original post and not being blessed with omniscience I have to say I took the same meaning out of it that he did. It happens. Sometimes you don’t express your intent well (and I’ll take her at her word and assume she was being ironic) and if that’s the case it behooves you go to back and clarify. That people would be rightly outraged that a blog of an ABC affiliate was printing such shit where Steve’s family and friends would see, especially without appropriate context, pretty much follows. I don’t know who this surprised.
Now the General is being attacked for being a misogynist. Which, I have to say, is patently absurd. There is a whole world of genuine misogyny out there and every time someone wraps themselves in that mantle without cause and plays the role of victim in defense of something quite indefensible it makes it that much easier for the claim to be dismissed when it’s legitimate.
The General would have done the same thing if it had been a man. I really don’t know who could doubt this. Those lobbing grenades at him over this either don’t want to take responsibility for a really stupid act or just want to wallow in victim-hood and traffic bait (hence the laundered link — not going to cooperate) but it really doesn’t matter which.
I know from personal experience that women bloggers can take some pretty vicious hits from readers both male and female, much worse than their male counterparts, and to the extent that this happened — it shouldn’t have. But that was not the General’s intent in this, and neither should he be held responsible for it. Because to do so would mean that the actions of all women were above criticism for fear of what some belligerent sexist nut might be motivated to do upon reading it, and that’s wrong. That he didn’t go after the original offending (male) blogger who probably gets 25 hits a day does not mean he’s a card-carrying member of the patriarchy, it means he rightly realizes that this stuff does its real damage when it makes its way into the mainstream. This kind of lunacy will always exist at the fringes. What we do every day is fight back the steady slog it tries to make toward legitimacy an normalization as represented by the platform of an ABC affiliate’s blog.
Steve loved the General, the General loved Steve, and Steve hated stupidity. That post was stupid. The General did what the General does. The end.
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We miss you Steve! Tell Babe Ruth to fuck off!
And tell him to take Gehrig with him!
How’s CT treating you Jane?
R.I.P, Steve!!! We’ve lost a voice of reason!!!
Twisted Martini @ 2
?
So what can we do about this?
((((((Jen and the rest of Steve’s family))))))
A missive to Steve G to insult 2 of the greatest Yankees evah.
OT but techie for the upgrade: When the refresh comments start to take an excessive time today, it has been an indicator to me that a new thread has been posted.
By excessive, I mean that it does not return with the new coments within approx fifteen secs or longer which is the outside most times, even if the thread is long. It appears to these lay person eyes that the server is wanting to tell me a new thread is up but doesn’t have a link so it gets confused. I’ve been going up and hitting the home button before going back to the previous thread to see any comments I may have missed.
Just as the trial-lawyer-hatin’ righties are the FIRST ones to reach for an attorney when things get heated, and just as the affirmative-action-hatin’ righties all worship right-wing affirmative-action recipient Clarence Thomas, the women-hatin’ righties are the FIRST ones to hide behind “SEXISM!” screeches whenever one of their female mouthpieces puts her foot in it.
Gee, I should post something on my blog attacking her and her fellow wingnuts for trashing Steve. It’d keep them from building pipe bombs or mailing anthrax letters for at least five minutes.
Is it me or has the furniture changed around here?
Twisted Martini @ 2
And Mantle as well…
Oh, that is so sad. Particularly, because Steve was always so good at defending himself.
Rest in Peace Steve, you are so much better than they are.
Twisted Martini @ 8
The Babe and the Iron Horse. It just doesn’t get any better! ;0)
Oh jeebus, Tweety running the Clinton bit about “I did not have…”
Now that was almost a decade ago. WHEN will he give it a rest? There are so many lies he could quote The Chimpenfuhrer on yet he HAS to go after Clinton.
techno-tyro query:
what does it mean to ’subscribe’ to the feed, please?
And you know Steve is up there telling them that the ‘69 Mets would have kicked their ass…
Phoenix Woman @ 10
Five Minutes…. Bwhahahaha!!! :O
So has it been decided if there is gonna be an FDL rally at Yearly Kos?
The Yankees. Arguably the best ball club ever.
dakine01 @ 9
Same here. Otherwise i like the upgrade :)
If Clinton is the nominee, I will vote for her. Subject to last minute changes of course. ;0)
OT – but Ben Affleck is doing quite well on Hardball right now. Matthews is even making sense tonight, so far (hey – it happens sometimes).
Oklahoma kiddo @ 22
If Clinton is the nominee, I will not vote for her. Subject to last minute changes of course.
So far it’s all been lipstick on the DINO but the DINO still shows through.
Micky Mantle was an Oklahoman. ;0)
When I read yesterday that Turkey had (apparently) invaded Iraq, I immediately wondered what Gilliard’s analysis would be…
He is missed, terribly.
The General is generally right, and in this case, certainly is.
25 hits a day?
I’m jealous.
I don’t get 25 hits a week!
Lol
Seriously though, Thats some pretty low shit going after a dead guy.
They aren’t worthy to suck his sweat socks.
Hugh @ 24
I understand those who cannot vote for Clinton. I wrestled with that situation for a long time. I respect people of principle. I hear you. ;0)
Phoenix Woman @ 10
If there is one thing common in wingnut land, it’s the lack of courage. I sincerely hope that whom ever the Dem. nominee is exposes it for all the world to see.
Well, I don’t know who this Brittney is, but crying “I was just joking” sounds distinctly Coulteresque, no?
I find it marvelous that the Honorable General has the influence to force someone’s resignation. Go Man! And I mean “man” in the most non-misogynistic way possible, lol. Calling the General misogynist made me spew milk through my nose.
jayt @ 23
Does Tweety have a man crush on Affleck?
Phoenix Woman @ 10
I actually don’t think she was a right wing mouthpiece, I think she was just careless. It happens. I’ve done it, hit “post” too fast and then had to back off of something. Many somethings. We all have. She quit, was evidently tired of being a blogger who wasn’t a right wing hack in Nashville, and I’m sure that was a lonely job. That doesn’t make the General a sexist.
Wow. I am not surprised that the whiny-ass titty baby wing of the righty blogosphere would attack a dead man. I’m surprised it took them so long, so I figure they probably had to finish beating off and clean their hands before putting their twisted little hands on momma’s computer keyboard again.
Why should anybody be surprised at the pure, unadulterated BS that flows from the righty blogosphere? They may be human beings over there, and I’m sure they all love their wives or their wife-beater husbands, and they caress their shotguns and they can’t go anywhere without their pick-em-up trucks and heavily spooged Bibles, but they sure don’t have any brains to speak of. Nor much in the way of common sense either.
Ironically, if anybody else would do something like, oh, say, suggest that the late Falwell was on the take and a worshipper of every dollar he could squeeze out of an old lady on Medicare, these dribbling shitholes of right-wing pundits would be screaming and screeching about incivility and all that other horseshit they have reserved for themselves to pull out for special occasions when they want to be ugly about non-right-wing people.
Can you tell I don’t think much of the right-wing shitholes who dribble hatred as though they inhaled it with mother’s milk?
Joe Klein’s conscience says
June 7th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Does Tweety have a man crush on Affleck?
Hmmm – now that you mention it… yeah, kind of appears that way.
jane,
you, the general, and steve’s legacy are so powerful and resilient. this combination is more than enough to refute those you described. these creatures must go through every day and night in a fog of self-loathing. twisted and despicable are the first words that come to mind.
Tweety’s gonna do some chair sniffin’ after the lights go out.
Oh….Ben!
-GSD
two beers @ 26
Me, too.
I could just hear him saying something along the lines of this:
“I told you that there was no way the Turks would tolerate an independent Kurdistan in Iraq. Not when Turkey’s two biggest rivers, their main water sources, have their headwaters in that land.”
Yeah, I discovered the General’s post, and some of the comments last eve. irrc many defenders said that Brittany Gilbert’s post and headline was meant as a snarky takedown of people like those who make the comment she quoted. Maybe so, but it was really bad judgment on her part to put that quote out there at all, highlight it, even if she had explained further. Just really hurtful and stupid.
BTW, I first went over to http://www.thenewsblog.net/ (Steve’s blog) to donate some money to his family for funeral expenses and such. (paypal button)
Read through the obits, and then followed a link there– “This link provides a good indication of the impact Steve’s work had on the lives of others, from all corners.”
I read a lot of the blog comments that were available there, and they were truly moving and appreciative of Steve and his work.
It just seemed so out of place (as I discovered via The General) that this one blogger had chosen to use such an inflammatory and awful comment in her post. It seemed more like she was trying to stir up some battle between herself and the person who had made that remark- for god knows what reason. Maybe trying to settle some score in an old turf war/ flame war? Who knows.
But the post (the Brittany post) really had nothing to do with Steve or his legacy. It was an ugly piece of work, no matter how you look at it.
RIP, Gilly.
The money quote:
Exactly.
Well, after going over and reading through it all–including many of the comments, I have to say I am flummoxed about the misogyny charge.
Particularly since I am usually very fast to point out that which I view as sexist, racist and homophobic.
Nowhere in anything what the General wrote is there anything that alludes to her femaleness. No, she just happens to be female. And he happens to be male.
This kind of thing is so Coutleresque, and undercuts real misogyny when it does happen, which it does, not so infrequently, unfortunately.
Good for Patriot Boy–if I had even a fraction of his wit, I would’ve done the same.
“It takes a special kind of courage to wait until your enemies are gone before unloading your ugliest vitriol, the same kind that pimps for wars you expect others to fight on your behalf.”
What a bunch of chicken shits. Attack someone
after they have passed. Jane you are a great friend to Steve, rip those chicken shits up!
This kind of yellow bellied “courage” (send other people’s family members to an unnecesary war and then thank them for their “service” How many times are we going to hear our reps say to people who have lost family members in Iraq thank you for your dead relatives “service to our country”hogwash. Cindy Sheehan spoke some truth when she said that she has come to grips that her son died “for nothing”
This “thank you for your service” mantra has become the first thing that rolls off of their collective tongues when they talk with people who have lost children, mates etc. This repeated response seems automatic, insincere and hollow.
Those who sent American soldiers off to a “war of choice” should start by saying “I am sorry for any part that I played in sending your relative to an unnecesary war that has ended up in a quagmire as predicted by many experts”.
They could also get down on their knees and beg for forgiveness. Those who voted for the 2002 war resolution are some real arrogant asses.
It seems that Hillary has stopped saying “If only I knew then what I know now”. She finally figured out that was really getting under some of our skins. I bet I heard her say that 20 times.
Hugh @ 24
Gore is just waiting and will roll over her and Bill. RE-ELECT GORE! Gore’s solid anti-invasion stance will take him over the top!
Bugboy @ 31
________
haven’t read what she said but it somehow seems maybe a little bit like the response that michael powell tried to give digby about her critique of powell’s giuliani piece.
test test
Hugh @ 24
This is what happened with Kerry. He was second to last on my choices. Liberman was last and out and out NO. If I see this happening with Hillary I will vote for her only when she reveals who her advisers on political issues will be. What think tanks will she use. Who will she put in key positions. How many Neocons and their sympathizers will she put on her team. I need to know before.
Twisted Martini @ 11
Yup. While you were snoozing last night, the mods decided to redecorate. You like?
One of the changes, as Jane ’splained downstairs, was to put THIS frame on the left, and move the previous left-side frame to the middle column. The reason for this is to make it easier on the folks who are trying to access FDL on PDAs and smart phones. I can vouch for the previous difficulties with navigating. We’re still in experimental stages, and Jane is looking for techie people who know how to set up webpages so that they’re friendly to PDA & smartphone users with those little bitty screens.
Bob in HI
imho, gore has already said too often and too unambiguously that he will NOT run, does NOT want to run, and is NOT running, that he cannot mount a campaign without always already being afflicted with fatal irresolve…
i dunno
.
Some friends and family have argued to me over the years that this and that was a tired issue. Yes… I remember when the wrongness of the Iraq occupation, the Vietnam War, pollution and global warming were viewed as issues which would never gain traction. And what of public financing of elections? Is this a concern which will one day soon come to the fore? I think so.
Steve wrote so many amazing columns many of which the Nashville blogger could have just posted. She decided to used snark instead of writing a column honoring Steve. The General can come to my defense any day.
I miss Steve.
fahrender @ 44
Heh, the minute I saw the name “Micheal Powell” I could read no further. I’m not sure why Digby felt the need to give one inch of space to that, well there really are no words to describe some people, you know? But yea, it is very similiar, seems to be a common MO.
EDIT: I like the new furniture BTW.
About the new comment code performance (from earlier thread):
Recent Dell with AMD Athlon, some XP flavor, Opera:
impression is that editing, previewing, and refreshing from the “Refresh Comments” button are all slightly faster than before.
Chair sniffing? That’s just wrong…
I have a sweet story. Yesterday, out of the blue, Littleprp called me at the office and asked me to bring home a newspaper. I worked a little late last night and did not get home until 10:30 (past Lprop’s bedtime) but she was aiting up for me.
She said it was time she started paying attetnion to things like news and the classified and the obituaries.
SO you opened up the NYTimes obit section and started to read one aloud.
It was Steve’s. I asked why she was reading it and she told me he struck her as an interesting person. She was floored when I told her I had been reading him ever since he was writitng that blog about the tech slaves and that he and I had exchanged emails from time to time.
She told me that I was so lucky to know (even if nly over the net) someone who was busy changing the world he lived in.
I have no clue how to find an on line version of the NYTimes obits, but the one they wrote for him was lovely and a bit poignent.
His parents, who don’t own a computer, never knew what a significant role he played in creating this new world of blogging.
Lprop thought htat was amazing. That you could be doing something so important and your own parents might never even realize.
Maybe it would be a nice idea –if Jane would like to do this–to put a thread up where folks could share their favorite stories and memories of Steve. It is a bit of a tradition in my family to do that when someone dies and I always learn wonderful things I never knew about relatives I’ve known my entire life.
If we are lucky, someone will show those stories to his parents. I think it would be a precious gift.
kathleen @ 43
Gore in 2008. Thanks kathleen. ;0)
David Corns article on the Libby trial..great!
http://www.thenation.com/blogs…..pid=202364
“Walton indicated that as a matter of law he was sticking with the tougher sentencing guidelines. Next, the issue was whether he ought to use judicial discretion and cut Libby any slack. Fitzgerald argued that Walton’s sentence should “make a clear statement that truth matters.” He noted that Libby had lied persistently during the leak investigation and had subsequently displayed no contrition. The sentence, the prosecutor continued, should also send the message “that one’s status in life does not matter” when it comes to justice. Realizing what Wells and Jeffress were about to argue, Fitzgerald declared that a public servant ought not to receive special treatment. Libby, he said, deserved no more consideration than a social worker, a teacher, a cop. Fitzgerald recognized that Libby had worked long and hard in a variety of government jobs, but he said, “We need the truth from government officials.”
Fitz said Waltons sentence should
“Make a clear statement that truth matters” ” that one’s status in life does not matter when it comes to justice”
I am hoping to get at least 10 Ohio University students (between the ages of 18-21 on this site for the sentencing on Wednesday. Let’s hope that they will witness that “truth” does matter in our justice system and that ones “status” does not matter when it comes to such a serious crime.
a votre service, mon general.
Bob Schacht @ 47
:o I’m pretty good at that stuff.
if you look at the folk who now constitute her foremost advisors, and imagine them rewarded with power fr their assistance, the outlook under HerRegalClintoress is not hopeful for more ‘democracy’, more ‘transparency’, less surveillance.
.
Thanks Jane.
fahrender @ 44
I was thinking of this too. It seems the new excuse. When someone writes a post that falls flat, we are told that it was really irony that we were too dull to get.
So a note to everyone out there: The next time I write something really stupid, I wish to assert pre-emptively that I was just being ironical.
tw3k @ 59
I’ve done a ton of web authoring, use a PDA a lot so I’m game.
QuakerGirl @ 46
Are you perhaps Quaker? My beloved Grandmother’s parents were Quakers.
looseheadprop @ 55
LHP- there are links to the obit online, and other stuff at http://www.thenewsblog.net/
(also see my comment above)
All you folks that talk about voting or not voting for someone because of “principle” might want to review what happened in 2000 when a lot of people voted for Ralph because of “principle”.
tw3k @ 59
Then please write to
firedoglake AT gmail DOT com.
and volunteer your services!
Bob in HI
Jane Hamsher @ 33
Who would love this more than the RighTards:
Every time a lefty blogger or commenter considers a reply, examine the gender, race, disposition, etc. of the originator before posting?
Right is right, wrong is wrong, wank is wank, and they know no distinction.
Bugboy @ 63
Good! So you, too, can write to
firedoglake AT gmail DOT com.
and volunteer your services!
Thanks,
Bob in HI
Bugboy @ 63
Good! I don’t have a PDA right now!
Bob Schacht @ 67
Ok, thanks Bob.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 64
Yes. You were so fortunate to have that influence from your Grandmother and her parents.I had to learn the practices and am still working on it. I sometimes forget.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 64
My youngest brother is a Quaker. But then, my sister is a Catholic, I’m an Episcopalian, my oldest brother is an atheist, my middle brother married a minister in the UCC/Methodist tradition, and we were all brought up in the First Congregational Church! Maybe we’re just confused. Or open-minded. :-)
Bob in HI
I miss the hell out of Steve. I feel like a refugee, because I posted the most there.
Bad karma always comes back to haunt you.
No, he’s not a misogynist. On the other hand, he is a dolt who sicced his minions on someone who meant only to point out how heartless a certain post was, by quoting it. There’s something called res ipsa loquitur, but it takes an attempt to understand beyond a petulant desire to swing fists.
You may wish to note, as well, that there were plenty of righty blogs that gave Steve his due, and if you don’t believe that there’s a lot of lefty bullshit that goes around when righties bite the dust, just look at the grave dancing that happened when Falwell croaked.
Jesus’ General fragged one of his own out of stupid pique. That’s the long and short of it.
QuakerGirl @ 72
;0)
wgg: rogue scholar @ 60
Thank you for your input. I have the same impression and partial observation. I need to know more about this aspect of her. Or I see more of the same as we have now. Only surface changes.
Bob Schacht @ 73
Let’s go with open minded! :)
looseheadprop @ 55
What a wonderful idea and what a special gift to his parents. Chills and Tears as I read this..
Littleprp so perceptive and sensitive (wonder where that comes from?)
Former Fed @ 66
The way I look at it the Democratic Party has a responsibility to choose a candidate who minimally represents the party’s values. That’s not asking a lot.
Further, I can’t support someone who was such a long and ardent supporter of the Iraq war. Heck, Hillary backed it even longer than William F. Buckley. If she feels she doesn’t need to apologize for her vote for the war, I feel entitled not to vote for her. As she herself has said if anyone has a problem with that they can go elsewhere. So I’m taking her at her word and going elsewhere.
Jane, just came from the funeral home – quite sad, and of course, it’s Steve the son and brother and uncle and friend, not our super-blogger pal. Small and personal and moving.
Still and all…I just feel the tragedy keenly and to some degree, selfishly. Nobody’s gonna replace that voice.
In any case, I jumped into the General’s fray myself yesterday and what is clear is that the blogger just wouldn’t admit a stupid mistake. Reading her posts, she’s pretty progressive, but she did quote from this nutjob’s blog before. Then she quits, and becomes the dramatic victim. And yeah, she got some nasty stuff – some of it sexist – in the blowback mix.
All she had to do was fix up the post, alas.
KO: Comey, the gift that keeps on giving!
Olbermann at bat.
Olbermann is doing a job on the Dick.
Valley Girl, thank you so much. I had no idea that support was needed, until you mentioned it.
Fineman on KO: Cheney is in the room.
KO: White house involved, Cheney’s fingerprints all over it, what role did the prez play
Fineman: The guy who called Mrs. Ashcroft if Bush.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 84
This sounds like . . . but then I don’t want to say something ironical.
QuakerGirl @ 77
Until the Honorable Al Gore and Nobel Peace Prize candidate completely and convincingly rules out running for re-election for commander in chief I’m not the least bit interested in any of the candidates, most especially Hillary. She projects a sense of entitlement to be president IMHO made even more irritating by her affection for those louts at the DLC.
ReElect President Al Gore in 2008. Accept no lesser substitute/s.
“Nuking Iran the Republican agenda”
http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..age_1.html
I would say some of the Democrats (Liebermann, Ros-Lehtinen, etc) are on the same page.
LHP, here’s the NY Times obit
that she posted the original screed without comment of any kind, without context. under the (intrinsic) doctrine of imprimatur, must necessarily be taken to imply endorsement, implicature directs meaning toward affirmative understanding…
Fineman: Cheney is a free actor, prez doesn’t need to know what he’s doing.
QuakerGirl @ 78
Works for me! I always liked the feeling of the wind blowing through my ears!
Bob in HI
Essential Olbermann:
Cheney is totally out of any control, by anyone.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 84
does not sound right!
thanks jane
she shouldn’t have repeated the asinine comment…….
if you gossip, you are as bad as the thing you are passing on……
it was right of him to take her down. she shouldn’t have passed it on.
you of all people know a misogynist when you see one, i agree, the general isn’t.
and as far as what people are saying about steve=my dad once said that when people strike so harshly at someone, means they did something good and hit them in a place they resent. because that place they couldn’t resolve or change in themselves.
is a rare thing to strike people in this way. usually done with truth. not with malice.
looseheadprop @ 55
LHP,
This is such a precious story! How old is she? Sounds like she’s learned lots of good sense from you!
Bob in HI
Turley on KO: We have a system of gov designed to be idiot-proof. It will be discusting to see republicans vote against HC.
Olbermann: Civil liberties are not luxuries. They are a right.
And we are viewed as a rogue nation.
Have you heard Israel running out of patience for Iran/U.S. talks.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/…..146D51.DTL
Oklahoma kiddo @ 94
I am so glad that this is being said on the MSM! It will make impeaching him all the easier.
Bob in HI
Turley: The world hates us. Miss America booed in Mexico, agents being tried in absentia in Italy. Without HC, it’s words with no meaning.
Tom Watson @ 81
Tom, thanks for the post.
kathleen @ 95
Does hook the attention. No? ;0)
out here in the high chihuahuan desert, that’s reall common…they call it ‘recuerdos’, and they say it in the church, with the casket in situ…
it’s an honorable tradition.
KO: Paris Hilton may go back to jail!
Loo Hoo. @ 106
OOOOOHHHH MMMMMMYYYYY GGGGGGAAAAAWWWWWDDDD!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
STOP with the “BOOYAH”! Jim Cramer’s a BLOWHARD who can’t even get this proud warrior exclamation correct. It’s HooYah, not BooYah! Get it? HooYah is YahHoo reversed because warriors use even their yells to distinguish themselves as special. There’s nothing special about Cramer.
Loo Hoo. @ 106
But that will deny my ‘right’ to party!
All; we knew this shit was coming, a mile down the road.
Steve’s been kicking bushturd ass so hard, and SOOO well, that they have to take off their shirts to shit. :o)
As Iraq’s death-spiral continues, and their little world-view is exposed for the miserable coward’s philosophy that it is, they have no shame; no conscience; nothing but a frantic and voluntary abdication of their own cognitive ability.
(Or, what there was of it, to start with.)
My 2c, let them screech and gibber. It’s all they’ve got left.
See you at the polls, pig-fuckers.
Paris resume: I’m rich. I’m spoiled. I party. And I have tax shelters.
If nolo is still here Jeralyn has Libby’s briefing up and what she thinks will happen. Luckily for us her track record isn’t so good. There are a few comments that are interesting also. http://www.talkleft.com
KO: Craig Crawford says the Czar is reluctant. Dems won’t pick a fight, adding a chair to the Titanic. Not many repubs showed up for the hearing. A candid man now goes into the WH, this is all just for show.
These right-wing ill-speakers have all the gravitas of a well-known heiress eating her first state-cooked meal.
Fuck them and their cardboard colored dreams.
Paris, Jenna… and what’s that other one’s name?
Nothing in the MSM or the blog world about the A*P*C Rosen/espionage trial/hearing. Reports (there are none) about this trial or an update are non-existent. A complete black out “off limits” even here at FDL.
Anyone reading or hearing any recent reporting on the status of this trial?
Let Paris eat cake.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 109
Paris will probably do more time in jail than Libby.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 110
And a serial exhibitionist not to mention considerable embarrassment to her gender. Pathetic the MSM and tabloids need such absurd filler 24/7.
Thank heavens KO, Jon and Cobert know how to deal with the absurdity of all things Paris Hilton. ;~)
kathleen @ 115
Some things are, well… off limits.
Nothing, Kathleen.
“Gee it’s hot down here, can I get a glass of water?”
- Fred
wgg: rogue scholar @ 105
In my family we do it at home after the buriel and the formal service is over. We get some food and some drink and we tell stories. We call it an Irish Wake.
I think things are being cooked up between our government and the Israeli government. And I think these things involve Iran. And the Middle East in general. And Russia and China know it.
Re Steve Gilliard
No man is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend’s or of thine own were. Any man’s death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
-John Donne
Bob in HI
Littleprop is 13 1/2. I am very proud of her. She took the SAts this srping and scored well enough that she is going to college this summer (for a class during summer school, so as not to interfere with her regular schooling).
We let her pick any course she wanted that was availbale in the summer course book.
She chose Introduction to Western Philosphy. My law partner is like an extra unlce to her. He was a philosphy major in college and is claiming all the credit for her choice. *g*
I am constatnly amazed that something so beautiful to look at, so bright, so soulful came out of me. I feel so unworthy to be the mother of such an angel.
kathleen @ 118
Absolutely true Kathleen – Libby will do his time in prison – a Fed country club no doubt but in lock up nonetheless and the sooner da better…heh heh.
kathleen @ 115
Here you go, I’m glad you reminded me. Latest I could find, but not terribly recent.
via antiwar
LHP, Congratulations on the little one. Remember, though, she wouldn’t be what she is without you. Both in terms of genetics and environment. Clapping for LHP!
Treason and subversion of the Constitution equals 2.5 years.
Loo Hoo. @ 129
DOUBLE DING!
LooHoo, When are you going to update us about your appt. tomorrow?
Tom Watson @ 81
Saw your write-up this morning. BTW, FWIW, yours is one of the blogs I visit daily though I have never commented over there.
bailey @ 108
FWIW, Stuart Scott on ESPN has popularized the BooYah in the last few years…
HooYah talkin’ to? :~)
JPL @ 112
I love to see her perspective because she often sees thing that I take for granted.
But I have to tell you the grounds proffered by Libby are NOT my idea of a “close call” on appeal.
The memory expert issue is a non starter, amoung other reasons because scooter didn’t testify so his memeory was never IN ISSUE.
If it wasn’t an issue inthe case, it won’t matter on appeal.
The delegation of powers thingy, while not the boring plain vailla, why are they even wasting paper with this argument? that the memory thingy is—still does not meet the standard for a close call.
“close call” cases are usually cases where the Supreme Court has not ruled and the circuit courts are iether evenely split or the circuit in which the “close call” was decided is in the minority position vis a vis other circuits.
Not our situation here. The issue of the Special Prosecutors appointment meets the criteria for a cse of first impression, but NOT the criteria for a close call.
Walton already figured that one out, and explained his reasoning on Tuesday.
I don’t see much joy in Libbyville with those two arguements
dakine01 @ 134
Yep, that’s where I got it.
kathleen @ 116
How is it “off limits” when I see this same comment, almost verbatim, in every thread I’m reading? If you have a blog covering this issue, you could link to it with the “Website” field of the comment form. (Blogger is free, too.)
I wish I had a tenth of Steve’s pithyness, but I don’t.
RIP SG.
Jane Hamsher @ 137
Kinda figger’d it might be… ;})
Thanks Jane for posting that.
We are at war within our nation. It takes MANY forms, and the one’s you cover are insidious and everpresent.
It’s the way our enemies will continue to try and shout us down, they are MEANER than us about it, FASTER than us about doing it, and spend MORE TIME than we do looking for it to DO it to us.
We all need to sharpen our knives of survival and stick it to them time after time. They don’t play nice, and the time to take the gloves off for OUR survival has LONG passed.
Don’t make nice, take EVERY OPPORTUNITY, to shout them down, abuse them, and cut them up and flush them down the toilet that provides.
Anything else, and they will win.
Our backs are SO to the wall, we need to adopt a cornered badger modus operendi, or they will resurge and feed on our bare and exposed necks in the dark as we sleep.
Harumph.
NBA starts tonite. I’m SO torn.
A HERO in Tim Duncan, or, the new upstart talent, Lebron James.
Here’s hoping for some great sport and entertainment for a while . . . YAY DUCKS!!!! *GRIN*
Thank you Jane, for standing up with a friend in a way that could get vitriol pouring your way, as well. Not that I am surprised, note!!!
If the TN blogger had wanted to generate discussion and traffic she coulda started with SG’s takedown of Ann Althouse (for her harassment of Jessica who had committed the crime of having convex breasts!! goodness!!), which would also bring up the overall trope of “can group members be biased against their own group” without multiplying an act of spitting on an open grave.
Thanks to Tanbark and T Watson as well!
re: “trope”, yeah I went to one o’ those colleges SG loved to parody.
Thanks again.
KO on Hilton, jailers might be held in contempt.
larue, I’m rooting for Cleveland because of small forward Ira Newble, who is taking a stand on Darfur.
Remember, the Republican Party stands for rule by white male property owners. Women are considered like children, to be seen and not heard. Barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen. Is it any wonder these bozos are sexually repressed? Any woman who does not fit that mold is a direct threat to the patriarchy, ergo, the country. Man, how can anybody live like that?
Hillary will NEVER get my vote. Beside the fact that she’s a DLC sweetheart and a staunch advocate of free trade, she voted for the war and continues to support military action for problem resolution. I’d much rather have control of the House and Senate. But we have to have a House and Senate who are detached from the vast resources (read money) of the corporate world.
The only warriors I ever saw yelling anything like HooYah were Marines and when they were in the jungle with us they didn’t yell squat. In the jungle in the middle of the night it’s one of the best ways to get killed I know of. You’d be amazed at how far sound travels at night in the bush.
Wankers think they can switch hands and gain a stroke.
PS: clearly I should not be a paid blogger either=->
What I’m not surprised about is Jane being courageous and sticking up for principles and for friends.
JPL @ 131
demimoore***and I will go tomorrow at 1:00. We’re going to be talking more tonight on late night. I’m stoked because dmoore is talking with Greg Palast today!
dakine01 @ 12
Ok, you people are over the top.
I can’t BELIEVE Steve G would FTFY of old. Nor the legends of the time.
Anything since The Mets Came To Being? Ok!!! *g*
But please, leave the PreMets Yanks outta the derision.
They are my boyhood heroes . . . as are ALL baseball players up till Steinbrenner (FGS!!!).
Thank you for your consideration.
Harumph.
thanks lyrebird, been wantin’ to say that. you said it better.
larue @ 147
Sorry but your Yanks of ‘61 beat my Reds of 61 in the WS. Broke this nine year old’s heart that did.
Loo Hoo. @ 142
KO on Hilton, jailers might be held in contempt.
Non-violent offenders are released pretty much every day in Indianapolis because of jail overcrowding. The Sheriff here has a federal judge watching him pretty much all the time, who occasionally threatens *him* with contempt if he doesn’t get the jail population down.
I am still in shock that Steven Gilliard died. The General did good. As always. He exposed another creep And Jane has done good as always.
“Brittney” reminds me of this kind of person that I’ve met before somehow. Brittney could star on that not very funny Right-Wing comedy show. That’s her kind of humour. She placed the quote without comment on her post, making it hers. Ugh can’t think of it. It’s too ugly.
and i meant lyrebird at 138
FYI, new thread
Don’t say the A word. FDL no exception to the “unspoken” rule!
The Israeli lobby has certainly been successful at shutting down coverage, discussions or debate in the MSM and in the blogosphere about the A*P*C Rosen espionage trial, delays, hearing.
The left often goes “right” (wrong, chicken shit) on the disproportionate amount of power and influence that Israel and the Israeli lobby continues to have on our nation and on our media. The lack of coverage, discussion, debate by the MSM and supposed liberal blog sites in regard to this investigation and trial is just another example of how influential the lobby is at shutting down the much needed coverage/debate about this investigation/ trial/hearing.
Here at FDL plenty of discussions about Libby, Plame, Attorney General scandal, health care, wages, Bush, Cheney etc etc, very seldom about this trial. This obvious lack of coverage or focus on the A*P*C/Rosen espionage trial/hearing demonstrates that FDL has bought into the unspoken rule that the Israeli lobby and this trial are “off limits”. This is the unspoken rule that dominates our information outlets.
Welcome to the club FDL!
kathleen @ 154
Kathleen, you’re wrong. There’s plenty of discussion about it. If you find an article that you think is valuable, link to it.
I think where FDL does a terrific job is in recognizing that one lobby, even one as bad as the one you mentioned, does not speak for all Isreali’s or even the majority of them. Here’s an Israeli lobby you might like Jewish Voice for Peace
emptywheel has probably done more work on that lobby over at tnh. You may be interested in reviewing her really fine work. It’s devastating. As always, emptywheel is very balanced. As bad as that lobby really is, it’s not as though it’s the only thing standing between the US and ethical government.
Well, I for one am not shy about discussing the Israel/United States relationship. Waddaya wanna talk about? There’s a section in Robert Fisk’s “The Great War For Civilisation” that goes into the Israeli invasion/occupation of Palestine in depth. There’s also a great article (I’ll have to dig it out) on the early Zionists’ ideals and plans that have been carried forward by successive Israeli PM’s and government. After spending over three years chasing Viet Cong the Israelis and their supporters don’t scare me. Matter o’ fact, they’re pikers compared to Charlie. I’m waiting for some theatre company to have the guts to put on “My Name Is Rachael Corey.” Any takers?
I would like to return to the topic of Steve Gilliard.
I just got an email from someone, citing this poem, which I did not know before. It was in the context of Gilly’s fighting spirit. I will quote the poem, and give a bit of informational text, thus: this Claude McKay poem came out of the Harlem Renaissance.
If we must die, let it not be like hogs
Hunted and penned in an inglorious spot,
While round us bark the mad and hungry dogs,
Making their mock at our accursed lot.
If we must die, O let us nobly die,
So that our precious blood may not be shed
In vain; then even the monsters we defy
Shall be constrained to honor us though dead!
O kinsmen we must meet the common foe!
Though far outnumbered let us show us brave,
And for their thousand blows deal one deathblow!
What though before us lies the open grave?
Like men we’ll face the murderous, cowardly pack,
Pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!
Kathleen, you are correct in the sense that there are not an overabundance of posts about it. It will come up periodically in the threads however. Pach did a post on it maybe a year ago and it was a pretty rough thread. I think it’s a topic that requires a lot of care to discuss. That’s not the same, however, as ducking it imho.
Here is the story in a local paper.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 20
‘27, or ‘61? *GRIN*
kathleen @ 116
Kathleen, like you, I have some interest in this, but I haven’t done the google.
Are you suggesting there’s NOTHING on the internet about it?
Margot @ 128
RAIMONDO!!!
Talk about yer fearless voice and a master of attribution with his ducks in a row. Love that man’s work, he’s a god send to all fuckery Gilliard and all of us so destest.
And he’s NOT afraid of A*P*C, Likud, or any OTHER heavy handed thuggery and calls it ALL out on the carpet to be seen.
Bravo.
Tanbark @ 110
My dear black river water suit diving mud hen, you presume still there will BE elections . . . and joust along we will, eh? *G* Here’s to diving deep and long and PROSPOROUSLY!
Steve Gill, mentioned the the article I linked @159, is a local right-wing talk show host and loser politician. He was instrumental in defeating a Tennessee income tax, leaving us Nashvillians with a sales tax of 9.75%, applicable to food and medicine as well. But at least Bill Frist doesn’t have to pay his share of taxes.
Lyrebird @ 138
I find it MOST unusual that no matter how many times it’s asked, no one responds, at all. Like it was taboo.
And I find the Isreali Lobby and general influence on our MidEast and foreign policy’s NOT in the best interest of the US Masses.
But Corp America/MIC, yadda yadda continue to support it all without question in order to gain power in the oil rich mideast. I mean, the people of Isreal are getting USED by the USA.
And it turn, their right wingnuts continue to buy our elected officials for favors NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE US MASSES!
How you feel about that Lyrebird?
Dover Bitch @ 143
As good as any and well done Ma’am (I’m assuming gender?)!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 120
Wanna ’splain, OKKid?
In MY world, nothing’s off limits, it ALL either helps or hurts us.
As soon as someting’s off limits, yer the bad guys.
Period.
dakine01 @ 149
The M&M Boys. The Yog. Whitey. Bouton? Tresh.
My continued condolences to you sir. ;-) I was 8 and overseas at the time, but in looking back, I’ve always loved that team of ‘61.
John Casper @ 155
the general has three daughters.
who was the the right-wing genius who labeled him a misogynist ?
i’ve decided that, when it comes to the right-wing of american politics, which is almost universally, the republican party,
the party and its spokespeople,
including its weblog spokespeople,
embody
distilled american MEANNESS -
every mean and hateful thought or action in american life and history.
where but at rush limbaugh’s radio show would you find such meanness of spirit, such mean souls, criticizing
michael fox, cindy sheehan, barrack obama, the clintons, of course, war critics, personal privacy advocates?
where but at fox news,
or instapundit or powerline, et al,
or in the columns of those privileged morons, george will, jonah goldberg, david brooks, et al?
where but in the comments of ann coulter or michele malkin
would you find such concentrated american meanness,
such lack of empathy?
in short,
such extraordinarily unchristian behavior?
jesus’ general ?
more christian by far,
more caring and more empathetic,
than any of those i have named immediately above.
Larue, as always, with these scheisemeisters, paranoia is usually good. :o)
And everyone: Regarding Paris’ three night ordeal in slam; how many of you saw South Park’s little paean to our gal:
“Stupid Selfish Whore”? :o)
Christ, it was a RIP! :o)
Hi Jane,
I agree with your position on the whole JG-Brittany tete-a-tete thingy, but I must correct the last bit of your post. You said, “Steve loved the General, the General loved Steve.” Surely you must know that while the General can love Steve, you must add that such manly love is only shared “in a chaste and biblically appropriate kind of way.” It is always necessary to clarify this point lest someone misunderstand the General’s orientation (they might have been talking to Cletus ;-)
yours,
Nick
“…does not speak for all Isrealis, or even the majority of them.”
No, John, it doesn’t. But it sure as shit has a TON of political influence, as evidenced by the fact that Hillary Clinton, the democratic front-runner, and some of the other candidates, are falling all over themselves sucking up to AIPAC.
Not to mention eagerly taking money from them.
I’d like to see someone ask Hillary if she thinks that Israel or the U.S. has the right to pre-emptively attack Isreal?
In fact, John, I’m wondering how you feel about that. :o)
That should, of course, have read “Iran”, not Israel.
1. In memory of Steve, with respect to kathleen above, and with respect to all Jews, an actually-endangered species, allow me to re-post a comment I made at Gilliard’s NewsBlog last year:
“My take is that AIPAC certainly has a grossly disproportionate influence in our ‘elections’, but only with the consent of the US establishment, which is allied with Israel not because of Jewish influence or its love for Jews. The greater-Israel folks and the Gulf monarchs are counted on to provide ‘unsinkable aircraft carriers’ for petro-industry special interests.”
2. To Tom Watson, or whomever else might know: is the viewing ongoing, and if so where is the funeral home?
Thanks.
Well, whatcha know Tanbark @173 and Watson @175…… AIPAC is not a edited in your posts as some sort of curse word here anymore!!!! I was wondering about that. You two weren’t edited! Progress! So at least its ok to talk about it now!
Please people. Let’s try to differentiate the Israli people from the neocon people and agenda of AIPAC. They are not interchangable in my view at all. It is much like the way bush and the neocons do NOT represent the American people. Its that simple.
AIPAC and the neocon’s have an agenda that violates the Constitution…. and has been able to do so under the reign of george the idjit boy king. It must stop. Hillary won’t do that. The more we cannot talk about this, the more our freedom will be curtailed. Period. Let’s talk about it.
Jane, that is low, but not all that surprising of these wingnutter types.
Watson @ 175
Neat and sweet Watson, I concur.
“F**k the f**kin’ Yankees!!!
That’s all that counts, folks!
And we will know they are Christians by their love.
What is wrong with some people?
Seriouslu EPU’d re Steve Gilliard, don’t know if stated before:
Hey Will (Rodgers), Ann (Richards), Molly (Ivers), please come to main gate, ya got company.
the misogyny claims are ridiclous… it’s a case of someone crying “she-wolf!”
but what’s wrong with getting 25 hits a day? do a detect a touch of anti-male attitude from Jane?
lol
orionATL @ 170
Those accusations are coming from our side. See JG’s post, where he links to this. They are saying he’s a misogynist because he didn’t go after the original poster of the comment who is a male, instead choosing the female reposter. It’s completely absurd. And so sad.
Arnie at 180, great sentiment. I hope another Molly got the call: the great and much-missed Molly Ivins.
Steve was not only a fierce liberal, he was a fierce feminist, a quality lacking in too many “liberal” male bloggers. I miss him already.
My family strongly believes that the departed can pull strings on earth. We pray not only to God and the saints, but to relatives and friends. Amazing things have happened. With Steve’s passion in another realm now, I fully expect Bush’s downfall to be greatly accelerated. I’m sure Steve is on the job already.
Every time I see a blog post with the phrase “the death of Steve Gilliard” it’s like a punch in the stomach. I never even knew the man, but there’s this big hole in my blogreading morning where the News Blog used to be.
Watson @ 175
Apologies – just saw this. Viewing was yesterday only with a funeral this morning. Sorry!
BTW, any relation?