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		<title>By: Thinking Southerner</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/05/libby-sentencing-seven/#comment-741013</link>
		<dc:creator>Thinking Southerner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just heard scMSM reporter Kevin Corke, with MSNBC, state that Libby wasn’t convicted of perjury for outing a covert agent because that has never been established wrt Plame’s CIA status.  WTF is this repug talking point still doing out there?  Can’t they do enough simpleton research to learn that the CIA finally cleared a statement by Fitzgerald acknowledging that Plame was covert when Libby and Darth were conspiring to out her?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just heard scMSM reporter Kevin Corke, with MSNBC, state that Libby wasn’t convicted of perjury for outing a covert agent because that has never been established wrt Plame’s CIA status.  WTF is this repug talking point still doing out there?  Can’t they do enough simpleton research to learn that the CIA finally cleared a statement by Fitzgerald acknowledging that Plame was covert when Libby and Darth were conspiring to out her?</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/05/libby-sentencing-seven/#comment-740928</link>
		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-740778&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Loo Hoo. @ 64&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;What’s the difference between perjury and false statements?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;When it’s a Democrat it’s perjury, when it’s a Republican it’s false statements.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;See Regent’s University School of Law Lying to the Heathens 101&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-740778"><em>Loo Hoo. @ 64</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>What’s the difference between perjury and false statements?</p>
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<p>When it’s a Democrat it’s perjury, when it’s a Republican it’s false statements.</p>
<p>See Regent’s University School of Law Lying to the Heathens 101</p>
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		<title>By: Woodhall Hollow</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/05/libby-sentencing-seven/#comment-740921</link>
		<dc:creator>Woodhall Hollow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some of the letters are at the Smoking Gun.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0605071libby1.html&quot;&gt;Link.&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the letters are at the Smoking Gun.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2007/0605071libby1.html">Link.</a></p>
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		<title>By: dmoore</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/05/libby-sentencing-seven/#comment-740908</link>
		<dc:creator>dmoore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 17:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-740869&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kathleen @ 80&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-740808&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dmoore @ 77&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;…&lt;br /&gt;
I mean, we’re spending a lot of $$ to watch Bush’s special ones, are we watching Libby to see if he’s making plans to go somewhere, ie. Paraguay, somebody’s ranch,  anyone know?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you leave the country while a sentence is under appeal?  Dual citizenship?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Well, yeah, that’s my point …what’s to stop him?  Is he on some no-fly list?  Prolly not.  Just because he may not be a “Model Father”, he and his wife should, at least, have learned to cover their A**es.  Remember, “We’re gonna f**k them”?  Gonna talk?  Gonna Flee?&lt;br /&gt;
Go Walton!  Go, Go, Go!!!  Go Fitz!!!  (Breath)  See, patience is its own reward.  Let’s see what happens.&lt;br /&gt;
Bush has backed down on several issues of late.  Can he afford to pardon Libby now?&lt;br /&gt;
He’s kinda busy in the rest of the world.  And, maybe that and knowing that All Those Eyes are on him, and he does seem to be playing Ketchum, maybe he’ll pass on the Pardon.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-740869"><em>kathleen @ 80</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-740808"><em>dmoore @ 77</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>…<br />
I mean, we’re spending a lot of $$ to watch Bush’s special ones, are we watching Libby to see if he’s making plans to go somewhere, ie. Paraguay, somebody’s ranch,  anyone know?</p>
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<p>Can you leave the country while a sentence is under appeal?  Dual citizenship?</p>
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<p>Well, yeah, that’s my point …what’s to stop him?  Is he on some no-fly list?  Prolly not.  Just because he may not be a “Model Father”, he and his wife should, at least, have learned to cover their A**es.  Remember, “We’re gonna f**k them”?  Gonna talk?  Gonna Flee?<br />
Go Walton!  Go, Go, Go!!!  Go Fitz!!!  (Breath)  See, patience is its own reward.  Let’s see what happens.<br />
Bush has backed down on several issues of late.  Can he afford to pardon Libby now?<br />
He’s kinda busy in the rest of the world.  And, maybe that and knowing that All Those Eyes are on him, and he does seem to be playing Ketchum, maybe he’ll pass on the Pardon.</p>
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		<title>By: ZappoDave</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/05/libby-sentencing-seven/#comment-740881</link>
		<dc:creator>ZappoDave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-740743&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;daninmiami @ 45&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Bush will pardon him…guaranteed!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Check out what John Dean has to say on a potential pardon:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070601.html&quot;&gt;John Dean on Pardon June 1st &lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-740743"><em>daninmiami @ 45</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Bush will pardon him…guaranteed!</p>
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<p>Check out what John Dean has to say on a potential pardon:</p>
<p><a href="http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20070601.html">John Dean on Pardon June 1st </a></p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:54:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-740794&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kdh22 @ 75&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;IIRC, the legitimacy of an appeal would weigh heavily on whether or not Scoots gets to be ‘free’ during the appeal process. Didn’t Walton write a statement toward the end of the trial wrt an appeal and how he was taking taking pertinent steps so that an appeal would be relatively impotent?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Will different standards apply?  We are waiting and watching with hope for justice.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-740794"><em>kdh22 @ 75</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>IIRC, the legitimacy of an appeal would weigh heavily on whether or not Scoots gets to be ‘free’ during the appeal process. Didn’t Walton write a statement toward the end of the trial wrt an appeal and how he was taking taking pertinent steps so that an appeal would be relatively impotent?</p>
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<p>Will different standards apply?  We are waiting and watching with hope for justice.</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/05/libby-sentencing-seven/#comment-740869</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-740808&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;dmoore @ 77&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Just because they say he’s not a flight-risk — they also say he’s a devoted father, HA!  right!, what devoted father spends 12 hours a day, 7 hours a week working to support The Evil One - Arrgh - Who, exactly can confirm, is anyone watching him, that he won’t flee?&lt;br /&gt;
I mean, we’re spending a lot of $$ to watch Bush’s special ones, are we watching Libby to see if he’s making plans to go somewhere, ie. Paraguay, somebody’s ranch,  anyone know?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Can you leave the country while a sentence is under appeal?  Dual citizenship?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-740808"><em>dmoore @ 77</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Just because they say he’s not a flight-risk — they also say he’s a devoted father, HA!  right!, what devoted father spends 12 hours a day, 7 hours a week working to support The Evil One &#8211; Arrgh &#8211; Who, exactly can confirm, is anyone watching him, that he won’t flee?<br />
I mean, we’re spending a lot of $$ to watch Bush’s special ones, are we watching Libby to see if he’s making plans to go somewhere, ie. Paraguay, somebody’s ranch,  anyone know?</p>
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<p>Can you leave the country while a sentence is under appeal?  Dual citizenship?</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/05/libby-sentencing-seven/#comment-740858</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-740822&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;radiofreewill @ 79&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The defense is indicating they plan an immediate appeal next week (&lt;em&gt;even though they secretly hope to stall everything as long as possible&lt;/em&gt;).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Fitz is having the Probation Office’s offense classification report amended to reflect the cross-referencing on the Obstruction, but not the Perjury - shouldn’t affect the sentence, but might affect ‘good behavior’ calculations, etc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Walton has indicated that he tends to give 45-60 days, on bond, for convicts like Libby to report to prison - even while appeals are pending - but he might not do it in this case.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Briefs and a hearing next Thursday to settle the issue.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The best Scooter can do, imvho, is stay free for 45-60 days - but he’s going to have to convince Judge Walton that he shouldn’t go directly to jail next week since Reggie doesn’t see any possible points of reversal.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Let’s hope Walton stands by his words that Libby’s sentence needs to encourage a respect for the rule of law, and that if this does not happen people will continue to “lose faith in our government”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;  If he allows him to walk while waiting for an appeal.  Just what kind of messageis this for younger people (that I know) who are wondering why different rules of justice apply to the priviliged or well positioned?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Will Walton eat his words?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-740822"><em>radiofreewill @ 79</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The defense is indicating they plan an immediate appeal next week (<em>even though they secretly hope to stall everything as long as possible</em>).</p>
<p>Fitz is having the Probation Office’s offense classification report amended to reflect the cross-referencing on the Obstruction, but not the Perjury &#8211; shouldn’t affect the sentence, but might affect ‘good behavior’ calculations, etc.</p>
<p>Walton has indicated that he tends to give 45-60 days, on bond, for convicts like Libby to report to prison &#8211; even while appeals are pending &#8211; but he might not do it in this case.</p>
<p>Briefs and a hearing next Thursday to settle the issue.</p>
<p>The best Scooter can do, imvho, is stay free for 45-60 days &#8211; but he’s going to have to convince Judge Walton that he shouldn’t go directly to jail next week since Reggie doesn’t see any possible points of reversal.</p>
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<p>Let’s hope Walton stands by his words that Libby’s sentence needs to encourage a respect for the rule of law, and that if this does not happen people will continue to “lose faith in our government”</p>
<p>  If he allows him to walk while waiting for an appeal.  Just what kind of messageis this for younger people (that I know) who are wondering why different rules of justice apply to the priviliged or well positioned?</p>
<p>Will Walton eat his words?</p>
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		<title>By: Christy Hardin Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christy Hardin Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Loo Hoo at 72 -_ Perjury is committed under oath (in this case sworn before a grand jury duly constituted to investigate this matter).  False statements are given to a federal investigator or other lawful investigator looking into a criminal matter, but not necessarily under oath.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loo Hoo at 72 -_ Perjury is committed under oath (in this case sworn before a grand jury duly constituted to investigate this matter).  False statements are given to a federal investigator or other lawful investigator looking into a criminal matter, but not necessarily under oath.</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/05/libby-sentencing-seven/#comment-740833</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2007 16:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-740766&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kspena @ 61&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-740707&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;ralphbon @ 25&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Thirty months approximately equals one hour of incarceration for every 32.5 excess Iraqi deaths since Shock and Awe (based on the Johns Hopkins figure of 655,000 excess deaths).&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I recently heard that the John Hopkins figure of Iraqi excess deaths is now over 1,000,000.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;At the event the other evening where Congressman Zack Space (ohio) was the guest, Space said that we should not “precipitously” withdraw from Iraq because there could be a genocide.  When I  mentioned that there was all ready a genocide taking place according to the numbers that the Lancet Study was reporting. Space was obviously  pissed that I had questioned him and then he went on to undermine the findings of the Lancet.  (sounded like a Bushie to me, they undermined both Lancet Reports).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I would suggest that Congressman Space and all our reps read both Lancet reports about the number of deaths in Iraq.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-740707"><em>ralphbon @ 25</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Thirty months approximately equals one hour of incarceration for every 32.5 excess Iraqi deaths since Shock and Awe (based on the Johns Hopkins figure of 655,000 excess deaths).</p>
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<p>I recently heard that the John Hopkins figure of Iraqi excess deaths is now over 1,000,000.</p>
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<p>At the event the other evening where Congressman Zack Space (ohio) was the guest, Space said that we should not “precipitously” withdraw from Iraq because there could be a genocide.  When I  mentioned that there was all ready a genocide taking place according to the numbers that the Lancet Study was reporting. Space was obviously  pissed that I had questioned him and then he went on to undermine the findings of the Lancet.  (sounded like a Bushie to me, they undermined both Lancet Reports).</p>
<p>I would suggest that Congressman Space and all our reps read both Lancet reports about the number of deaths in Iraq.</p>
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