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		<title>By: Snarky McAngus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Snarky McAngus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Follwed the links to Jules Crittenden’s fascination with Taylor Marsh’s boobs and read some of the comments there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Crikey, there’s some scared mofos on the right, bashing Marsh because of her (appropriate) downplaying of the JFK “plot”.  One commenter insisted there have been “thousands” of Americans killed by “hundreds” of terrorist acts, an exaggeration implying once their lizard brains are stoked with adrenaline, there’s no coming back from round the bend.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What’s the word for people thinking they can control their environment by eliminating anyone “different”, in many cases by linking them to “terrorism”?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Follwed the links to Jules Crittenden’s fascination with Taylor Marsh’s boobs and read some of the comments there.</p>
<p>Crikey, there’s some scared mofos on the right, bashing Marsh because of her (appropriate) downplaying of the JFK “plot”.  One commenter insisted there have been “thousands” of Americans killed by “hundreds” of terrorist acts, an exaggeration implying once their lizard brains are stoked with adrenaline, there’s no coming back from round the bend.</p>
<p>What’s the word for people thinking they can control their environment by eliminating anyone “different”, in many cases by linking them to “terrorism”?</p>
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		<title>By: Bluetoe</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/05/late-nite-fdl-the-agony-of-defeat/#comment-743796</link>
		<dc:creator>Bluetoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 11:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The NSDAP in Germany critiqued the Weimar government at every opportunity to undermine the people’s confindence in democracy.  They posited the proposition that fascism was the only realistic alternative for returning the German nation to power and productivity.  The right wing think tanks in America are attempting the same strategy.  First they undermine the people’s confidence in government per se and are now undermining the notion of “democracy.”  The left needs to tackle the problems created by the Heritage Foundation, the AEI, Cato Institute et al.  This is a difficult proposition given the fact that they are now seen as “legitmate” players on the political scene.  They have to be exposed as the anti-democratic, anti-American threats that they truly are.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The NSDAP in Germany critiqued the Weimar government at every opportunity to undermine the people’s confindence in democracy.  They posited the proposition that fascism was the only realistic alternative for returning the German nation to power and productivity.  The right wing think tanks in America are attempting the same strategy.  First they undermine the people’s confidence in government per se and are now undermining the notion of “democracy.”  The left needs to tackle the problems created by the Heritage Foundation, the AEI, Cato Institute et al.  This is a difficult proposition given the fact that they are now seen as “legitmate” players on the political scene.  They have to be exposed as the anti-democratic, anti-American threats that they truly are.</p>
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		<title>By: SadButTrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>SadButTrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:46:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Every time someone calls these SOBs fascists they get hit with the Godwin’s Law Invocation critique. Well, now they’ve come right out and admitted it openly. They ARE fascists, and they no longer care who knows. That does not bode well.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every time someone calls these SOBs fascists they get hit with the Godwin’s Law Invocation critique. Well, now they’ve come right out and admitted it openly. They ARE fascists, and they no longer care who knows. That does not bode well.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ya’ll know we are upstairs?  Here is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/06/05/late-late-nite-fdl-oh-behave/#respond&quot;&gt;the link&lt;/a&gt; to the fresh thread.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ya’ll know we are upstairs?  Here is <a href="http://www.firedoglake.com/2007/06/05/late-late-nite-fdl-oh-behave/#respond">the link</a> to the fresh thread.</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Listening to this testimony is just amazing. This guy really thinks he’s above the law.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Listening to this testimony is just amazing. This guy really thinks he’s above the law.</p>
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		<title>By: Frank Probst</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank Probst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Is anyone else having trouble with the WaPo’s website?  I can’t find their “Free Scooter!” editorial anywhere, and it should be up by now.  Here, let me help get you started with some key points:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1.  Even though it was what the whole investigation was all about, there should be absolutely no mention of the fact that two reporters testified in open court that Scooter Libby betrayed Valerie Plame’s identity to them.  This information will drawn attention away from the “no underlying crime” talking point.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2.  State that the sentence was unnecessarily harsh, even though it was at the low end of the suggested range.  In fact, you probably shouldn’t distract readers with the whole issue of sentencing guidelines.  Just say that Libby could have gotten probration, but he got 30 months of jail time instead.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3.  Describe Libby as “respectful” as opposed to “remorseless”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4.  Mention that the judge is African-American but leave out the part about how he is very conservative and was appointed by George W Bush.  Bonus points if you can use the phrase “legislating from the bench”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;5.  Talk about all of the letters of support that Libby got.  Do not mention that any of the authors have themselves “resigned in disgrace”.  The phrase “fucking stupidest person on the face of the earth” should be edited down to “superlative with respect to his abilities”.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Get to it, Fred.  We’re expecting a barn-burner!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone else having trouble with the WaPo’s website?  I can’t find their “Free Scooter!” editorial anywhere, and it should be up by now.  Here, let me help get you started with some key points:</p>
<p>1.  Even though it was what the whole investigation was all about, there should be absolutely no mention of the fact that two reporters testified in open court that Scooter Libby betrayed Valerie Plame’s identity to them.  This information will drawn attention away from the “no underlying crime” talking point.</p>
<p>2.  State that the sentence was unnecessarily harsh, even though it was at the low end of the suggested range.  In fact, you probably shouldn’t distract readers with the whole issue of sentencing guidelines.  Just say that Libby could have gotten probration, but he got 30 months of jail time instead.</p>
<p>3.  Describe Libby as “respectful” as opposed to “remorseless”.</p>
<p>4.  Mention that the judge is African-American but leave out the part about how he is very conservative and was appointed by George W Bush.  Bonus points if you can use the phrase “legislating from the bench”.</p>
<p>5.  Talk about all of the letters of support that Libby got.  Do not mention that any of the authors have themselves “resigned in disgrace”.  The phrase “fucking stupidest person on the face of the earth” should be edited down to “superlative with respect to his abilities”.</p>
<p>Get to it, Fred.  We’re expecting a barn-burner!</p>
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		<title>By: Wordsmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wordsmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:24:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I &lt;a href=&quot;#comment-743494&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;newtonusr @ 274&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-743491&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Fern @ 271&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Tried to play the archived session from this morning, and Firefox didn’t recognize the file format. I would like to see this - any suggestions?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;C-Span 1.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m watching it now on CSPAN-1….&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I <a href="#comment-743494"><em>newtonusr @ 274</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-743491"><em>Fern @ 271</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Tried to play the archived session from this morning, and Firefox didn’t recognize the file format. I would like to see this &#8211; any suggestions?</p>
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<p>C-Span 1.</p>
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<p>I’m watching it now on CSPAN-1….</p>
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		<title>By: aReader</title>
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		<dc:creator>aReader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Re: Scooter’s delay until Thursday&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I too was thinking that, best case scenario, he has an “ah-ha” experience, decides he really is facing jail in 45 days, gets yelled at by his wife for the next two days (”so, if Dick jumped off the Empire State Building, would you do it too?”), and makes a complete 180 to be a model citizen, rat out half the top people in the Bush administration, get lieniency from Reggie, and slither away from politics to pursue his literary career.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Probably won’t happen, unless one believes in the “Many Worlds Interpretation” of quantum mechanics.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Scooter’s delay until Thursday</p>
<p>I too was thinking that, best case scenario, he has an “ah-ha” experience, decides he really is facing jail in 45 days, gets yelled at by his wife for the next two days (”so, if Dick jumped off the Empire State Building, would you do it too?”), and makes a complete 180 to be a model citizen, rat out half the top people in the Bush administration, get lieniency from Reggie, and slither away from politics to pursue his literary career.</p>
<p>Probably won’t happen, unless one believes in the “Many Worlds Interpretation” of quantum mechanics.</p>
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		<title>By: radiofreewill</title>
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		<dc:creator>radiofreewill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;TexB - What’s striking about the Red Book is Schlozman was picking-up the phone and calling the Director of the Election Crimes Division - Donsantos - and asking if he could indict in the weeks leading up to an election.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Schlozman testified that Donsantos gave him the go-ahead.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The funny thing is - Donsantos &lt;em&gt;wrote&lt;/em&gt; the Red Book, which explicitly says ‘Thou shalt not indict immediately prior to an election.’ &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Schlozman looks a lot like a political hack. My guess is that he had No Idea what was in the Red Book, and wouldn’t know what to do even if he did read it. Hence, the calls to Donsantos for ‘guidance.’&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Schlozman even went so far as to attribute to Donsantos the remarkable statement that the ‘policies’ in the Red Book were simply informal - despite Whitehouse reading the official language in the introduction saying that the Red Book represented a collection of formal policies for USAs to use as guidance.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, either Schlozman *lied* about Donsantos giving him the go-ahead, or Donsantos has *gone crazy* and invalidated his own book.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TexB &#8211; What’s striking about the Red Book is Schlozman was picking-up the phone and calling the Director of the Election Crimes Division &#8211; Donsantos &#8211; and asking if he could indict in the weeks leading up to an election.</p>
<p>Schlozman testified that Donsantos gave him the go-ahead.</p>
<p>The funny thing is &#8211; Donsantos <em>wrote</em> the Red Book, which explicitly says ‘Thou shalt not indict immediately prior to an election.’ </p>
<p>Schlozman looks a lot like a political hack. My guess is that he had No Idea what was in the Red Book, and wouldn’t know what to do even if he did read it. Hence, the calls to Donsantos for ‘guidance.’</p>
<p>Schlozman even went so far as to attribute to Donsantos the remarkable statement that the ‘policies’ in the Red Book were simply informal &#8211; despite Whitehouse reading the official language in the introduction saying that the Red Book represented a collection of formal policies for USAs to use as guidance.</p>
<p>So, either Schlozman *lied* about Donsantos giving him the go-ahead, or Donsantos has *gone crazy* and invalidated his own book.</p>
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		<title>By: prostratedragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>prostratedragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2007 05:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Some late-night economics links, per Phoenix Woman’s AEI comments:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The econ-o-sphere gets active now and then on the degree and the sources of economic inequality. There is almost no argument left about whether income inequality has increased in the U.S., but there’s plenty about the role of education, changing technology, trade globalization, and government policies (like tax cuts) and institutional factors.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In &lt;a href=&quot;http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2007/05/what_is_the_cau.html&quot;&gt;this post from Mark Thoma&lt;/a&gt; you can get an overview of who has been saying what recently on the subject. Also, here’s a recent &lt;a href=&quot;&quot;&gt;post about a Krugman column&lt;/a&gt; on the promotion of our new Gilded Age under Republican tax policies. There are many more relevant articles under Thoma’s “Income Distribution” subject heading. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Another way to assess inequality in this country would be by comparison with other, economically similar countries. In &lt;a href=&quot;http://streetlightblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/income-inequality-international.html&quot;&gt;this post, Kash Mansouri&lt;/a&gt; discusses a study that reports the inequality trend in the U.S. to be much different than in countries like Canada or Germany —we of course have had a sharp increase in inequality, while most others have not (UK is sort of an exception). But all the countries had the same experience with changing technologies, and many have developed an educated class of techies during the same time, so the case for educational all-stars being the cause, which many economists do not believe, doesn’t get much support from this study. The authors of the paper, Brandolini and Smeeding, come to some political conclusions that won’t shock anyone here.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some late-night economics links, per Phoenix Woman’s AEI comments:</p>
<p>The econ-o-sphere gets active now and then on the degree and the sources of economic inequality. There is almost no argument left about whether income inequality has increased in the U.S., but there’s plenty about the role of education, changing technology, trade globalization, and government policies (like tax cuts) and institutional factors.</p>
<p>In <a href="http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2007/05/what_is_the_cau.html">this post from Mark Thoma</a> you can get an overview of who has been saying what recently on the subject. Also, here’s a recent <a href="">post about a Krugman column</a> on the promotion of our new Gilded Age under Republican tax policies. There are many more relevant articles under Thoma’s “Income Distribution” subject heading. </p>
<p>Another way to assess inequality in this country would be by comparison with other, economically similar countries. In <a href="http://streetlightblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/income-inequality-international.html">this post, Kash Mansouri</a> discusses a study that reports the inequality trend in the U.S. to be much different than in countries like Canada or Germany —we of course have had a sharp increase in inequality, while most others have not (UK is sort of an exception). But all the countries had the same experience with changing technologies, and many have developed an educated class of techies during the same time, so the case for educational all-stars being the cause, which many economists do not believe, doesn’t get much support from this study. The authors of the paper, Brandolini and Smeeding, come to some political conclusions that won’t shock anyone here.</p>
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