Hello, everyone! PW here, stepping in tonight for TRex, who is taking a much-deserved vacation. Give him a big psychic birthday hug, 'kay?
Goodness Gracious, losing elections really seems to send conservatives and Republicans into Bonkersville, doesn't it? (And it's not a hangover from '06, either — the Republicans are getting their butts kicked so far in this year's special elections; they've lost three seats to Democrats, whereas no Democratic seat has gone to a Republican.) As much as my feet may still be suffering the aftereffects of camping near a swamp right after a big rainfall and correspondingly big mosquito hatch (no, cotton socks soaked in Deep Woods Off don't do diddly to keep out the suckers), these poor persons seem to be suffering the tortures of the damned in comparison, to judge from current events.
First, courtesy of TNR's Jonthan Chait, we find out that the conservatives' chief think tank, the American Enterprise Institute, has decided that democracy sucks and dictatorships are where it's at:
…[AEI economist Kevin] Hassett points out that, over the last decade and a half, free-market dictatorships had faster economic growth than free-market democracies. The obvious explanation would be that dictatorships tend to be poorer countries (e.g., China) that can grow more quickly by catching up with modern technology. But Hassett offers up a different interpretation: Unlike democracies, dictatorships "are not hamstrung by the preferences of voters for, say, a pervasive welfare state." In other words, while Western democracies are held back by voters–with their pesky demands that citizens get health care and old people not be left to starve in the streets–autocracies march nobly toward a free-market paradise.
Lovely, eh? It gets better:
In addition to Hassett's odd defense of dictatorships, the current issue defends CEO pay, expresses skepticism about global warming, and denounces corporate democracy. University of Chicago economists Gary Becker (a Nobel Prizewinner) and Kevin Murphy contribute an essay titled "The Upside of Income Inequality." The upside I was expecting them to emphasize was that people with large incomes get very, very rich. But I guess that part was taken as a given. Becker and Murphy instead argue inequality has grown because "the labor market is placing a greater emphasis on education." Education makes people more productive; ergo, inequality is good.
It's true that the gap between college-educated and non-college- educated workers has grown. But the big rise in inequality is not between workers with degrees and workers without. It's between the top 1 percent and everybody else. Wouldn't raising taxes a bit on the top 1 percent help alleviate inequality? Becker and Murphy reply that, while a fairer tax code "may sound sensible, it is not," because it would amount to "a tax on going to college." So, if we raise the top tax rate, then 18-year-olds will choose to become convenience store clerks rather than go to college and run the small risk that they'll one day get so rich that they could face a slightly higher marginal tax rate?
Meanwhile, over in the Arrested Development subdivision of Wingnutville, we find the somewhat tetched Boston Herald city editor and conblogger Jules Crittenden exercising a strange and unhealthy fascination — repeatedly — with Taylor Marsh and with Taylor Marsh's gazongas. Good Lord, was Jules a bottle baby? Is he suffering from Wingnut Mammary Deprivation Disorder? Is it because this is as close as he's ever going to get to willing sexual congress with anything other than his right hand? Consider this: In order to find the shots he talks about, he has to find Taylor's blog, click on her bio, scroll down, then click a graphic, then scroll down again. That's an awful lotta work just to get a glimpse of somebody's mams, don't you think? (Oh, yes: Crittenden isn't the right-wing Herald's only problem. Like most wingnut media organs, they are steeped to the gills in Clinton Derangement Syndrome, to the point of utter inanity.) Tsk, tsk, tsk.
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The Finger works too…
Hey, PW.
Evenin’ Phoenix Woman, thanks for taking on the Late Nite FDL crowd!
Absolutely outstanding coverage today. (((FDL)))
Thank you.
Carville writes on behalf of Libby
Perhaps he can work for Liebermann, but Hillary better distance herself from this real quick.
PW: try Woodsman’s Old Time Fly Dope if ya wanna keep the squiters off.
Wingnut Mammary Deprivation Disorder
How can that happen when they all are boobs?
I’m just saying…
Great! PW.
Suzanne @ 3
Hi, Suzanne!
Evenin’ PW!
I will not take anything, and I mean anything, for granted as far as election ‘08 is concerned.
Evening PW, lake dwellers. Nice post PW. As far as I am concerned, they can self-destruct quickly or slowly. No matter.
Evening all.
FITZ!! (Does naked snoopy dance in the rain in the front yard)
And more good news on the appellate court ruling on the FCC obscenity case. They obviously have been listening to this.
S.O.S. from MA @ 5
Agreed! I followed the first half of the day’s events and read briefly through the discussion of testimony to the SJC. Excellent job FDL!
Hey, OKK, thanks for the Fats Domino link in the previous thread. My almost 5-year old climbed up on my lap to watch and we spent the next half an hour listening to Fats. He’s hooked!
Subway Serenade @ 6
He’s done, and might I add pu**y whipped
I didn’t see the linky (if any) where the anti-pardon letters to Judge Walton are on view. I wanna read Jane & Marcy’s gem again… and look for mine… ?? :)
SteveAudio @ 8
Who would nurse a republican? Horrible image!
So, are they trying to persuade themselves that maybe we don’t need an Election ‘08? I’m just wondering…
TexB @ 19
Some things even a mother shouldn’t do.
Lea-no uh @ 16
;0)
Evening all. Filters seem to have eaten my original post.
DrDick @ 23
I see it as #14
Hi DrDick, I saw ya at #14 ;-)
Does Althouse know about this boob controversy? She has rather a lock on the lefty-lady boob controversies, doesn’t she?
Nothing in the filters that I can see, Dr (pause) Dick. Is there a NSA truck parked on your tube?
Are those your poor itchy feet?
S.O.S. from MA @ 18
I guess it’s three or four posts down now (Christy wrap up before Jane wrap up. TeddySF @ comment 116 links to HUGE 17.7M PDF file from smoking gun. Or talk left has four smaller links to the pdfs…All in alpha order.
Subway Serenade @ 6
No kidding.
See, this is what happens when a guy who’s in his late forties (as Carville was circa 1990) and who figures that he’s not getting any more appealing to women, finds a gal who is seemingly crazy about him: He does everything in his power to make her happy, even if she’s working for the other team.
Hi there Phoenix Woman!
GIANT pdf of letters here
So the Authoritarian cult is a good thing, and democracy…not so much.
Well, of course we always knew this was their view, and now Gestaltism shakes them mightily.
S.O.S. from MA @ 18
http://www.salon.com/news/prim…..=whitelist
So, after Libby’s appeal is rejected, FDL goes dark, right? having fulfilled the mission statement and all…
Orrrr not.
Suzanne @ 27
I think there must be. Comments are working a bit funky for me this evening. Not sure what it is.
Well, Jesus frickin’ Christ, that’s their Mein Kampf, is it?
Explains Bubble Boy’s penchant for dictatorship, don’t it?
Methinks someone needs to publicize their misspoken little plan . . .
spiderpaws @ 7
Thanks! The critters seem to laugh at even DEET-based formulations, and I’m a bit leery of going to 100% DEET.
Patrick 4/4 @ 35
Are you kidding? With stuff like today’s SJC hearing and all the good Wax da MAN hearings coming up, there’s all sorts of fun to be had.
think there must be. Comments are working a bit funky for me this evening. Not sure what it is.
Is this the one you are looking for?
DrDick @ 14
Cassie wants to make sure that you all celebrate what is left of World Environment Day and leave conservation ideas in the comment section at her site.
End of shameless family-member promotion.
Evening everybody!
I could be fuzzy, but I cant’t help but feel that the Rethug wave broke today, and has started to recede. Like the momentum may finally have shifted.
Leahy is so pissed with Schlozmann(what beady and darting eyes)
This hearing is so worth watching and listening to.
http://12.170.145.161/search/b…..ext=firing
Oh, my furry ears and whiskers, I’m late. What kind of fuckery is this?!?!
It is good to read about AEI dropping their pretensions to democracy, though — dictatorships are so much more, um, tidy for their stakeholders, don’t you think?
==========
WaPoO chatz tomorrow; questions accepted anytime!
Chris Cillizza at 11am eastern
Steven Pearlstein at 11am eastern on the Dem 08s’ health care plans
Dan Froomkin (yay!) at 1pm eastern
Sort of a shame the rightards have reduced Taylor Marsh to just a set of chesticles.
I met her at YKOS. She is a beautiful woman and way yonder smart. CHS told me Taylor was a beauty pagent winner and encouraged me to do the beauty pagent wave when I saw her.
Nonetheless, her physical beauty, as devastating as it is, it is by far not her best feature.
Sorta like Jane that way.
Tis PW fuckery, EDP, of the finest kind.
Well, maybe I’m just a durty ol man, but if you put Ann Coulter and her black dress on a stage with Taylor Marsh fully covered….. the physical boobs are on our side. The boobs spoken of by HL Menkin, are on their side. Three cheers for boobus Americanus, and let’s put Taylor on the cover of playboy FULLY CLOTHED. I’d buy it. What the blogger fails to understand, however is that brains are not stored in the breasts. And in that department, Taylor keeps her brains in a whole lot prettier casing than Anne of the little black dress, who has none.
kathleen @ 43
Listening to? Eh, not so much with that voice. But if you can tolerate the chipmunk/helium based voice, then go for it…
Froomkin! I so heart him. Might try to sneak in from work!
Victorious fuckery, EDoc. Small, but unmistakable.
Have you ever had an “ugly feet” contest with your family or friends? (lots of laughs) The picture of those feet above would at least come in second or third in the contest that my feet have been in. (hope I am not hurting anyone’s feelings)
S.O.S. from MA @ 18
here is the link for all the letters. Linky (warning PDF)
Patrick 4/4 @ 35
Orrr NOT! More than enough to keep us busy – like remaking the Democratic Party to be less like Gary Becker and Kevin Murphy’s authoritarian capitofascist
utopiadystopia and more like, uh, like the lake here.Hey, OFG! Good to see ya!
Phoenix Woman @ 30
Let the ‘mocking’ begin. Would Matalin have wrote/signed the same letter for a Dem? Absolutely not
TeddySanFran @ 45
Well, God knows the Nazi braintrust ran so smoothly with hardly any internal skullduggery at all. NOT!!!
lolo @ 31
Hello!
RonD @ 51
Thirty months seemed anticlimactic…then I saw the two years supervised release, four hundred hours community service, and quarter-million-dollar fine and felt better.
Let the ‘mocking’ begin. Would Matalin have wrote/signed the same letter for a Dem? Absolutely not
And Carville would have still co-signed it.
Help.
http://www.isiusa.us/main.html
National Review editors keep repeating “Pardon Libby”
http://article.nationalreview……IyMWY4ODc=
These wingnuts are all traitors!
I’m just about rigged up to spend a lot of time at the lake this summer. The real one as opposed to the virtual one.
Suzanne @ 59
Those two are almost enough to put me off sex.
kathleen @ 61
QED.
If they pardon Libby, there should be a national campaign for an official apology to Bill Clinton.
Mr. Schlozmann is taking a beating.
EvilDrPuma @ 63
DiGenova and Toensing, too (shudder)
Blackwater
http://www.democraticundergrou…..id=4869186
Suzanne @ 59
This really represents what is wrong with the DC establishment. To people like Carville, it is all just a game. They really do not have any core beliefs or principles. Personally, I would rather have a vasectomy with a rusty spoon and no anaesthetic than hook up with someone like Matalin.
LoudounLib @ 67
Don’t make me reach through the toobz.
Dictatorships have higher returns Right Sure if you believe “their statistics” nobody tells the boss any bad news in a dictatorship until they can’t hide the problems anylonger. Ops sorry Vlad the Put nobody in America’s “cough ” democracy tells Bush any bad news either. Does the American Enterprise Institute include America in their collection of Dictatorships when they run their numbers? What about government instability lots of Dictatorships in South America failed during the seventies when the economy got rough the lies the Dicts told about their economies unraveled. I prefer to invest in places like Europe and Japan you know places with socialized medicine when bad economic times come the regular people have a cushion to ride it out without being forced to rebel and go all Commie on the companies the American Enterprise people would have us invest in.
Well, gee. Carville would have been heartless NOT to sign that letter. I mean, after Scooter saved Halloween and all.
;-) EDP
Cozumel @ 55
Yeah, I’m just waiting for her to sign off on a letter urging leniency for William Jefferson.
And really, there’s much more justification for pardoning Jefferson than for pardoning Libby. After all, Jefferson just took a bribe from an FBI agent in a sting operation; Libby worked so that the people guilty of outing a CIA NOC and destroying her entire Middle Eastern-based spy network have (so far) managed to evade justice.
Oilfieldguy @ 62
Nice! Goin’ fishin’?
hello!!!
Hey, SnK!
SnarKassandra @ 76
Hi, Cassie.
Oilfieldguy @ 62
What lake, OFG? Do you have a second home there?
evenin’ Cassie, how goes the drivers’ ed?
And speaking of blow jobs, I wonder who Libby has to blow to…….nah, it’ll never happen. Just lean back Dick. or is it just lean back dick?
Hey Snarkassandra…
kathleen @ 52
Nah, they’re my feet, and I know they’re in rough shape — in addition to the bug bites, I’ve got bunions by both big toes (acquired during an ill-advised period when I attempted to wear high-heeled shoes to work on a regular basis) and my toenails could use some trimming.
Driver’s ed is boring. Blogging is more fun, and the pool is still too cold to really swim.
One of the guys I blog with gave me super advice tonight. Way better than anything my teachers have ever said about my writing: “more persuasion. less ramming facts down their throat.”
EvilDrPuma @ 44
Tis neither a fine fuckery nor a defined one, but a most repulsive and Republican one.
I’m feeling Shakespearean tonight.
Evening Cassie. How’s summer going?
I read all the letters over at the smoking gun, and they were all virtually identical.
They all opened up by saying what a massively important MotherFokker they are…
“I…me…I…me…blah, blah blabbity blab blab.
Scooter…uncharacteristic…inconsistent…sooper dooper swell guy.
In closing, think of his poor children and wife, not Joe and Valerie and their kids, just poor l’il Scooters.
SnarKassandra @ 84
Hmmmm. I beg to differ.
LS @ 60
Good God, LS where did you find this?
I had my first experience in over 40 years today with a Christofascist Army Chaplain. At one of two memorial services for Veterans at which I played Taps today, an Army chaplain gave a eulogy which was total boilerplate. But the way he delivered it, and the small asides he added, sent a chill down my spine.
He gave a eulogy I’d heard before – ‘It isn’t the artist who protects your freeedom of expression, it is the soldier; it isn’t the journalist who protects your freedom of speech, it is the soldier; it isn’t the preacher who protects your freedom of worship, it is the soldier” – and so on. But then he put in his add-ons, like “it isn’t the anti-war protester, or the flag-burner or abortionist or coward….” He got carried away. I wanted to leave, but I was “on duty.”
Afterward, I got a look at the guy. Hatred emanated from every pore of his unholy body.
Facts do have a persuasive quality all their own.
No, no second home yet, just paid off my ex so I’m just now seeing some real money. I like to camp at lake Tenkiller.
LS @ 88
with which part?
I found a letter by “Suzanne” that references “Firedoglake.com”.
Completely off-topic, as usual, but I’m poking my nose back in and I’ve updated A Gap in the System with more stories of my son’s problems for those of you that were interested.
Now, I’m actually going to go back and read the post to see if I can comment coherently.
LS @ 88
Agreed. What’s the good in persuading them without the facts? That’s what Republicans do.
The scary thing about the letters, in my opinion, is that they all(nearly) say that the ’scooter’ they know couldn’t have done this. Isn’t that what is said of many crims, including murderers. I thought the point would be that he has been CONVICTED.
kathleen @ 52
You don’t even want to KNOW what my feet look like! Surgeries, corns, etc.
lolo @ 89
Yeah. That really is rather disturbing, especially since I assume there are a growing number of similar outfits out there.
LS @ 60
I have kin that is a big mukkity muck with that outfit. Don’t know his name and have never met him. Mom sent me that in an email. Want’s to know what I’m doing to save the world.
I directed her to my blog, fdl, Digby and let her know about my local activities to stop the march of tyranny.
Ed*ard Teller @ 90
To riff on an old story, artists and writers don’t defend the country. They only make it worth defending.
Oilfieldguy @ 87
Why would “Scooter” sacrifice his children and his family for THEM??? Doesn’t make sense at all. If my husband chose some political persona over “US” (the family), I would say, Hit the Road Jack. That is just how it is…..unless…WTF?
Ed*ard Teller @ 90
ET, that’s horrible. Politics have no place at a funeral. At least you acted professionally, and I’m sure the family and friends of the deceased appreciated that.
Valerie might have had a cover as a soccer mom, but I think she was doing more for this country where she was than Scooter, his boss, or his family. He didn’t get a harsh enough sentence. There are few enough people who are willing to do what Plame was doing (’cause it’s 80% boredome and 20 percent sheer terror). Who took that wheel? probably not someone who is as good as she was.
Debbie(aussie) @ 97
And, in fact, I think Jane was right on that point earlier, saying that none of the letters acknowledged the seriousness of the crime; the writers failed to understand why Scooter had done anything wrong. Oh, well, they didn’t sell their case to Walton, either, and that’s what counts.
Cassie, facts are just facts. They stand alone and do not in any way need to be made to look nice. I hope you will excuse me for saying this, but I think your friend wants you to sound more like a “girl.”
LS @ 102
The Bushies are all alike — all they wanted to do, like Monica, was to serve this president…barf
lolo @ 89
Ummm. ???
Debbie(aussie) @ 97
In the end, the letters carried no weight with Walton obviously. Zilch
And Jeffery Toobin on CNN…. “He’s got two young kids”
yawn
Twain @ 106
Yeah, like Jane Hamshire and Christy Hardin Smith!
Twain @ 106
He just read some of the stuff I used to publish at my other site that was more from passion and not so much like a news report. And that was better writing.
hey hey happy birthday TRex!…just to say, I read no comments..flash in the pan and all…
LoudounLib @ 107
I think there’s three-thousand-odd families out there who should serve this president…with a class-action wrongful death suit. And heaven help him if the Iraqis get in on the deal.
Frank33 @ 94
What number is it?
EvilDrPuma @ 113
Ding!
DrEDP @105. Thank goodness. Bit it still grates doesn’t it, that so may intelligent people with supposed ’status’ see the person and not the conviction/wrong dooing. Same with Clinton only in reverse (no conviction of course).
SnarKassandra @ 111
“When you have the facts on your side, argue the facts. When you have the law on your side, argue the law. When you have neither, holler.” — Al Gore
SnarKassandra @ 111
Loo Hoo. @ 114
The big PDF file on smoking gun is not paginated but it’s about 3/4 way down or so Don’t know about the files on TalkLeft.
‘global warming is/
much more advanced’/
as Scooter steps/
out of the/
can can can.
Sorry about spelling mistakes!
Debbie(aussie) @ 116
It would grate more if I had any reason to expect better of the people concerned. Frankly, my standards for wingnuts and Beltway schmoozers can’t be low enough that they can impress me at this point.
Debbie(aussie) @ 121
I just figured it was a dialect.
Just wanted to talk about DemocracyFest for a moment.
My theme when I get there will be Howard Dean’s belief that “Just one person can make a difference.” I joined Dean’s campaign in 2003, and I’ve watched Dean’s “One person” strategy take hold, first in the Progressive Community and then in large sectors of the Democratic Party.
And just look at it now. Sprawling hives of killer bees stinging at will at those who have done treason and war crimes in our name.
Look at all of you “One Persons” out there. We are altering the course of civilization right under their noses.
I don’t get out much, but this weekend I’ll be singing the praises of all the “One Persons” making a difference since the day Howard Dean called us to action.
Fallwell is dead. Scooter awaits his fate. Our Love has shifted the balance for a moment.
When this street kid straps on the guitar in New Hampshire on Saturday night, it’s for one person.
All of you.
May the Love that knows no comprehension find refuge in your hearts and in your homes forever.
Loo Hoo. @ 114
It is the one that says Scooter should be put in ‘moderation’ for several years…
Well it was a pretty good day all around. We got to see truth and justice, live right here at FDL, and on a hyper-local level we sent a friend off to happy retirement as only public safety folks can do. I’m satisfied :-)
Loo Hoo. @ 114
part4.pdf, pg. 23 I think.
Walton may have been paying attention to these letters. Many are very from “ordinary” folks and are quite critical of Libby. Even weirder, is that Libby supporters, really have nothing that supportive to say, except he is an intelligent, helpful, meticulous lawyer. Why did he commit crimes if he is so smart?
“I don’t recall” Schlozmann hammered.
Feinstein really got perturbed with Leahy when he demanded some e-mails.
707 ET
Ed*ard Teller @ 125
Is this a moderation proposal?
Hello Cassie! Hang in there.
You too, Subway Serenader!
“Who owns this car with the Peace Sign, the Mag Wheels and Four-on-the-Floor?”
Uneasy Rider – Charlie Daniels Band
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEDoeX7lTS0
So many of the Letters For Irve seemed to be from people who’ve a supervisorial relationship with Shooter — his doctor, his chief flight attendant, his house manager, his Secret Service detail chief, many people in the OVP. I wondered earlier if Shooter prevailed on these people, but then CHS reminded me that these people probably know Irve and were rallying around, as people will do for a friend in a tight spot.
But the letters are so samey-samey. Someone gave people an outline. Just like Woodhall Hollow said.
Phoenix Woman @ 131
I am hanging in, but have used up my computer time for today. And tomorrow, And the whole weekend. :) (Not really, but I need to go do something non-electronic so my brain doesn’t fry!) Can ya tell my brother is off on Tuesdays?
The Lurking Mod tells me the Suzanne in the Libby Letters is Suzanne Rogers, formerly pharmeceutical investigator, which is not me, and she was in favor of jailing so no dishonor was done to the Suzanne name.
Debbie(aussie) @ 121
Debbie, don’t you know we have a spelling mistake quota we have to meet around here? We gotta get busy, people! ;o)
Good night all, I have to be up at oh-dark-thirty tomorrow.
FITZ!!! FDL!!!
dakine01 @ 119
PDF 4 on Talk Left
She did all Suzannes proud.
g’nite LL
Night LL. Sleep the sleep of the just and vindicated.
DreamingCrow @ 95, I’m so sorry about your son. Glad you found help.
Good nite, LL and Cassie.
LoudounLib @ 137
Good night.
Cassie saying goodnite means TexB will be along shortly with our late nite snack. Wonder what it will be tonight?
Suzanne @ 145
I already had strawberry shortcake today. Yummy!
Suzanne, you have not noticed that I’ve been here the whole time??
Frank33 @ 127
I’m still reading them. The last one I read was from a neighbor. He told how Scooter helped unbury a car stuck in the snow, and the kicker is, it belonged to a Democrat. Wow, what a guy!
They may be the ruling classes but man are they divorced from reality.
Loo Hoo. @ 142
Thanks. I wish it could have, ya know, been a bit sooner, but one does what can with what one’s dealt.
LoudounLib @ 137
G’nite!
Phoenix Woman @ 131
Dick Cavaet once asked me why I didn’t call myself “The Subway Serenader.”
I replied, “I AM the serenade. The music is incidental.”
TexB @ 147
You were so quiet for a while there.
Leahy “I have been on this committee for about 30 years and you are the first person that I can remember from the Dept of Justice that was asked to show up at a specific time and we were told “you were not available”
Leahy has had it with the Bush/Rove shit!
ohmystars, Tex, so sorry – been kinda busy behind the curtain and completely missed you.
cynic @ 48
I’m reminded of the t-shirt that a couple of friends of mine wore under their gowns when we graduated from law school:
All This, And Brains, Too
kathleen @ 153
Good. Time for popcorn.
TeddySanFran @ 133
Another thing that blew me away was that they got a guy would did yard work for Scooter to write one.
EvilDrPuma @ 144
Good night,good luck and sweet dreams!
Suzanne @ 145
I’m having Bushmills “Black Bush” myself . . .
[raising glass]
To Fitz!
[sips]
Aaahhhhh . . .
Now there’s a fine Irish whiskey, for a fine occasion.
For your midnight dining pleasure….. Tortilla soup, especially for this morning bloggers who were asking.
EvilDrPuma @ 156
Yeah. This has the makings of some good old fashioned asswhuppin’ fun. I would love to see some contempt of congress citations slapped on these SOBs.
Subway, how sweet. Have a great time.
Ed*ard Teller @ 125
That preacher make you funny tonight?!!!
DrDick @ 161
I think I’ll put some butter on that popcorn.
Ed*ard Teller @ 90
These guys are all over the Army my Bud was an Army Ranger who got forced out cause he was a pagan and the officers were fundies. Odin being the trickster that he is got my friend out before Gulf war 2 and the fundies for all I know ARE STILL THERE! Bahahaha!
KO rerun on with Joe Wilson on now.
This is a great interview with John Perkins “The Secret history of the American Empire”
http://www.informationclearing…..e17829.htm
Hugh @ 85
Birnam Wood certainly came to Dunsinane for ol’ Scooter today, didn’t it?
EvilDrPuma @ 156
Don’t forget Thursday Jerry Nadler is gonna have a big hearing on Military Commissions ACT, FSA etc, now that will be interesting.
Suzanne @ 145
I’m hoping for some spaghetti. I’m beat and I haven’t eaten yet.
Dee Loralei @ 169
I feel happy!
things come undone @ 165
I know a number of military chaplains — of the non-fundy variety — and they are so angry at this kind of nonsense. But like you, ET, they’ve got to deal with finding appropriate ways of letting that be known while “on duty.”
Kudos to you for playing, despite the Christofascists you have to deal with.
Debbie(aussie) @ 97
Good point Criminals who deny they did anything wrong are the most likly to do it again and for that reason should get no breaks on sentecing.
***CSPAN ALERT***
12:35 AM EDT
length 1:07
Senate Committee
Dismissal of U.S. Attorneys
Judiciary
Patrick J. Leahy , D-VT
Todd Graves , Department of Justice
If anyone’s still awake and interested.
TexB @ 160
That looks really good. I have a couple of recipes for it but haven’t tried it yet.
kathleen @ 153
I think he speaks for all of us.
burnspbesq @ 168
[Dubya, pacing up and down]
To pardon or not to pardon?
That is the question.
Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
the slings and arrows of outrageous lib’ruls,
Or to take arms against a sea of troublemakers,
And by opposing end them?
Economies that start from a lower baseline have an easier time growing at a faster rate because they start from a lower baseline – not because of their political system.
A $100 bilion economy can grow 100% (add $100 billion in GDP) while a $1 trillion economy can add the same amount but only grow at 1/1000th the rate. It’s a simple fact of large systems. A feature, not a bug.
Hassett’s an idiot.
things come undone @ 165
Reason #165 why I am not an atheist!
TheOtherWA @ 174
Is it on regular CSPAN instead of CSPAN3?
What the “cheney”! Kristol has absolutely no shame what…so…ever. Kristol feels sorry for Libby’s family. What is it with you Kristol you really need serious therapy for Narcisistic Personality Disorder along with Libby, this condition seems to be out of control in that PNAC crowd.
Your compassion and empathy is , shallow, hollow and pitiful.
“Who Me” yeah you Kristol! You are drowning in the Iraqi people’s blood and you feel sorry for Libby’s family. You are a sick sick man Kristol.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/…..4azcei.asp
Patrick 4/4 @ 178
It also ignores the fact that the benefits from economic growth in those dictatorships extend only to a very small, wealthy elite. The fact that the vast majority of people enjoy none of the benefits of this economic growth contributes greatly to the inherent instability of such regimes.
Loo Hoo. @ 180
C-SPAN3 has switched to History was about the Kennedys and Freedom Riders a while ago.
CSPAN has kicked AlVIN under the bus as well?
Dee Loralei @ 183
Yeah, C-Span 1, but the hearings were 2 hrs plus – I think this may be the whole hearing and they have the duration wrong…
The time of the segment runs from 12:35 est to 2:55 est.
Shorter Hassett: “It’s good to be the king. Good to have one, too.”
Peterr @ 186
Still shorter Hassett: (inarticulate drooling sounds)
Ed*ard Teller @ 179
I go pagan, atheist, christian (my way) even though I can find no logical proof for the existence of any God although my friend certainly has had his belief in Odin confirmed!
And the difference between the dictatorship economy and the US economy at this point is exactly. what?
Oh, it is still Democracy Halloween here.
KO and Laurence ODonnell are trashing Pace for praising a guy who outed an “asset” O’Donnell is on fire!
DrDick @ 182
Oh sure, if you want to talk about the morality of political systems – but it’s really gonna fuck with the math.
I met James Carville in Gainesville, FL in 1996. He was an extremely intense, friendly, talkative guy, and was in town to promote his book “We’re Right, They’re Wrong“-an excellent read for any Democrat, BTW. I’ve been kindly disposed toward him ever since.
And that is why his signing a letter pleading for leniency for Scooter freaking Libby makes me so fucking sick.
Pardon the language.
EvilDrPuma @ 187
Don’t you mean its good to EAT A KING?
A whore, a whore…my Kingdom for a whore…
~ Roachman to Palfries (circa ‘99)
DeeL, KO was so good tonight (and I did miss parts of it earlier) that I’m watching it again.
Lawrence O’Donnell was on fire, totally pissed off about the Pace letter
EvilDrPuma @ 187
And he gets a paycheck from an outfit called the “American Enterprise Institute”?
Can you say “unclear on the concept”? Sure you could.
Hmmm … Bush … Shrub … Brush
Could some actual Fates somewhere be teasing a certain Man of Destiny? I wonder if today was merely a dry run.
Scooter was unfailingly courteous, indeed deferential, to senior lawyers, including those less intellectually gifted (which meant just about everybody). It is a long tradition at the Firm that, since we are all lawyers, from Day 1 the youngest lawyer is expected to address all others by first name. Scooter had great difficulty with that custom.
What made Scooter so admirable is that he was not only courteous and thoughtful in his dealings with his seniors at the firm, but was exactly the same way in dealing with secretaries,receptionists, messengers, et. al.
Dennis R. Suplee
(SCHNADER HARRISON SEGAL & LEWIS-Scooter’s Law Firm)
Suzanne @ 195
Suzanne, did you watch the Rep debate? They were all for patdoning the traitor!!!
bg @ 189
great phrase. really nails it.
Peterr @ 196
It’s AEI’s fault that he’s confused. Three words with more than two syllables each? I mean, really…
I have yet to watch a single debate – way too forking early for that in my opinion.
If I wanted to watch republicrooks argue, I wudda stayed married to the rethug fundie.
Evening kittehs & pups!
An all around snarkalicious day,
topped off with a side of
Tortilla Soup! (thx, TexB)
Thanks for hostessing Late Nite, PW
Patrick 4/4 @ 191
Morality is the variable the fundies always leave out in their calculations its one reason why I don’t think most wallstreet types know anything.
The replay is on regular cspan.
http://inside.c-spanarchives.o…..hedule.csp
Frank33 @ 198
Once again, reality outstrips The Onion.
Hey, Daily Show writers! Are you getting all of this down?
EvilDrPuma @ 201
Just think of it as three consecutive vowels. Even shorter tha A-E-I-O-U. How hard was that?
Patrick 4/4 @ 191
Yes, well I am a soc*alist, after all. More to the point, there are very practical issues raised by the economic distortions in these societies which prevent sustainable growth. Much of that growth comes from selling assets (natural resources).
Peterr @ 196
“The American Enterprise Institute” is a classic wingnut oxymoron.
TribeScribe @ 203
Ditto, PW – thanks for a snarkilicious post.
someone mentioned bears earlier, Pat Buchanan wtiting about “Bear baiting”
http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2…..hanan.html
Andrew Bacavich missing Clinton
http://www.amconmag.com/2007/2…..icle1.html
Still looking for any coverage on the upcoming A*P*C Rosen espionage trial, Nothing anywhere. The MSM and the blogosphere sure are completely chicken shit about this trial/hearing.
Here is the link to the Schlozmann hearing.
http://12.170.145.161/search/b…..ext=firing
Frank33 @ 198
Hmm, usually people don’t get these kinds of things said about them until they are dead.
Great wx webcam directory by state here…
Fern @ 213
You mean “dead” like Scooter’s chances of winning on appeal?
A couple of days ago, Al Gore said something to the effect about the media deciding who will be in the horse race 600 days ahead of an election. Said it would be foolish to play into that.
Damn, if Howard Dean ran for the Vice Presidency in 2008, Gore would be a terrific running mate.
Pheonix Woman, The total letter from Suplee is hilarious and not what you would expect. Damning with very faint praise someone you worked with.
“…you could look..and with the right kind of eyes, you could almost see the high-water mark-the place where the wave broke and started rolling back.”
-HST.
Good night all. The best of all possible tomorrows to all of you.
g’nite RonD
RonD @ 218
See you later.
Had to watch Chimpy on C-Span while waiting for Schlozman-Graves hearing replay – The Czech’s loved him…
C-Span replay begins right now.
Shorter Gooper Morality:
Either we’re right, or we’re victims.
It’s the entire basis of the Mighty Wurlitzer ™. For the rest of our lives, we are likely to never hear the Goopers, or their Loyalty Cult, say:
We were wrong.
RonD @ 218
Night RonD. Sleep well with Scooter headed to a cell.
EvilDrPuma @ 215
No, dead as in deceased. Thinking eulogy here.
Not that I am advocating death or other disaster on anyone.
Frank33 @ 217
Yeah, there was some of that. Like the one that went on and on about Scooter’s loyalty.
I wonder if Libby is in need of some earplugs to use until sentencing. I know that if my husband did something as stupid as Libby’s lies, and had just been sentenced to 30 months, I would be all over his ass all the time about how he did this.
Nagging 24/7 about how he put politics above his duties to the family. I bet I could even find some Bible verses to support
the facthis obligation to family. About how he was going to miss the birthday, christmases, all the special moments because he lied.I bet I could get him to spill to Fitz just to shut me up.
Fern @ 225
The Republican Party has a remarkable track record for attracting the congenitally irony-impaired.
Suzanne @ 226
I suspect it is not going to be a bed of roses in the Libby household in the interim. I have no idea what kind of person Mrs. Libby is, but this would be a place for the prime time bitch to make an appearance.
Suzanne @ 59
DING !
Suzanne @ 226
Hahaha Suzanne, I was thinking that last night as I was drifting off to sleep. I’d offer him a choice, his family and perhaps a return of his honor, or his politics and divorce whilst he’s in the pokey I bet he’d sing for Fitz real fast.
I think Harriet Libby let some of her inner bitch show after the guilty verdict (iirc). I got the impression looking at her during the trial coverage that she in in touch with her inner bitch and can go from zero to bitch in about 0.11 nanoseconds.
So, I listened to the beginning of this (CSpan SJC) testimony from the bathroom and closet, getting ready for bed. Came back into the bedroom and to my SHOCK, the person speaking was a MAN! Had no idea.
Suzanne @ 231
Think ol’ Scooter might waive bail just to escape?
TexB @ 232
Yeah, they did a Seinfeld episode about him.
OHMYGAWED. I flipped over to CSpam and Alvin really has been huffing the helium.
TexB @ 232
Yeah, his voice is THAT far off. I’ve heard high voiced males before, but the frequency of it in this DOJ fiasco makes me wonder. Was Gonzales picking subordinates similar to himself or something? It really is strange.
Fern @ 224
Mr. Libby, he dead. He were on life support for two years. They may pardon him but he still dead ……
DrDick @ 233
He’d have to be pretty desperate. It’s only thirty months, after all.
Think ol’ Scooter might waive bail just to escape?
Hard decision – which is worse – Harriet’s nagging, Fitz’s dogging, or going to jail.
EvilDrPuma @ 238
I meant was he willing to go straight to jail to escape from Mrs. Libby’s full blown, prime time bitch.
Suzanne @ 239
Caught between the frying pan and the fire.
I love Leahy!
TexB @ 232
The saddest part is that inhaling helium before you testify is supposed to ENHANCE your memory, not erase it.
“Elephants never forget, unless they’re under oath.” -Judy Cadoret
TexB @ 242
If you haven’t seen the hearings yet, you’re about to love him a whole lot more!
Everytime alvin speaks, I wanna laugh.
TexB @ 242
It would be a lot of fun to watch him get Cheney under oath. I could see that doing well on pay-per-view.
TexB @ 242
Yep. I get the feeling that his patience is about at an end and that he is about to start administering some legal bitch slapping on the Bushies.
newtonusr @ 245
I’m in for a late night eh?
Here is another co-worker of Libby’s, describing how he treats the messengers and secretaries. In fact I wonder if Fitzgerald questioned Diane Thompson.
Suzanne @ 246
Did he bring Simon and Theodore?
Suzanne @ 235
Alvin’s a Chipmunk, and you know they’ve got those high squeaky voices when they sing.
(laughing) EDP – we gotta figure out who is going to be simon and theodore over at doj.
and dave, don’t forget poor dave.
Suzanne – Scooter did it all in the name of national defense!
He couldn’t tell Harriet anything
about meeting Judy Miller for breakfast at a hotel, especially about the *lies* he told toprotect Darth Vader’s A**save the free world.She should see him as a
loyal bullet-catcherhero, and be understanding.After all, Scooter has 160 friends in high places that say he’s a man of integrity – she should look to them for ‘moral’ guidance, and instead see it as the ‘cost of politics’
a felony conviction.Who’s Harriet gonna believe – Scooter or her lying eyes?
What’s the red book Leahy was talking about? Handbook? Manual?
TexB @ 249
Laughing your a** off for the first half, then impressed with Graves & Sheldon Whitehouse to close. About 2.5 hrs.
Well, I think it’s time to read and relax before bed. Be excellent to each other.
EvilDrPuma @ 251
Isn’t Theodore (Ted) Olson on the short list of possible replacements for Gonzo?
I’m in for a late night eh?
I’ll be here for a while myself, Tex. Alvin is followed by Graves.
The Red Book is the DOJ manual.
nite puma
g’nite EDP
Well, I’m off to bed. I know that I for one will sleep more soundly knowing that justice, in some small way, has been done. Take care of yourselves and enjoy the snark.
nite doc
g’nite dr (pause) dick :)
EvilDrPuma @ 257
Night EDP.
is this clown wearing a bandaid on his chin?
If I am staying up another two hours, I think we need more snack food.
Night y’all. I should get some work done before the Man comes home.
OK Countdown over, now back to CSPAN for a replay :-)
Good night to the anthropologists!
Tried to play the archived session from this morning, and Firefox didn’t recognize the file format. I would like to see this – any suggestions?
Song in Cell block D:
“When it’s Libby Libby Libby
On the label label label…”
Suzanne @ 266
I think he eff’ed up shaving, and opted to keep what he had. That is, I believe, a chin.
Fern @ 271
C-Span 1.
Fern @ 271
Are you talking about the CSpan video?
Do all DC lawyers have two resumes? One political and one not?
g’nite Dreaming Crow and anyone else I missed (this SJC hearing is good)
Chucky-Bang!
Suzanne @ 226
Hahahahahaha! You and me both! You know what that reminds me of? Right after the Monica thing started, Bill and Hill went on vacation, to Martha’s Vineyard or something, and after they returned a week later, Bill looked awful. According to the gossip at the time, that was when Bill confessed to Hill he really has messed up. So she had a week of tearing him up one side and down another. I bet if she couldn’t sleep, she woke him up just to yell at him.
Not that I’d know anything about that kind of thing. Ahem. :)
Not that I am aware of, Tex. That is not the way it is supposed to work.
I remember that picture of them after Martha’s Vineyard, TOW. That is exactly what I am hoping is going on at this very moment in the Libby house.
You can really tell when the Senators have some knowledge that we aren’t privy too, by the way they ask certain questions. If he lied at all today, they already know it, is my guess….. we except maybe not the career guy he threw under the bus about the ACORN stuff.
Dearest Judge Walton,
I, a freelance jeweller, have known my good friend Irving for many years, and have found him to be an exemplary being, filled with the milk of kindness and deep, abiding wisdom.
All I wish is for this good and true serv-…er, fellow to regain his precious life among the aspens, their leaves turning as he comes back to life.
Thus, I beseech you, sir, to have mercy and free Irving to his home and hearth.
Yours in most humble regards,
S. Auron
;>)
AP
Report Bashes Rice Leadership Of State Dept: Staff Shortages, Low Morale, Few Resources
perfect-o, darkblack
FITZMAS!
Christmas time (for us)
and Goodbye for others
TPM: Judge Sees No Reason For Libby To Remain Free Pending Appeal
from NY Times:
Editorial
Gitmo: A National Disgrace
Ever since President Bush rammed the Military Commissions Act of 2006 through Congress to lend a pretense of legality to his detention camp at Guantnamo Bay, Cuba, we have urged Congress to amend the law to restore basic human rights and judicial process. Rulings by military judges this week suggest that the special detention system is so fundamentally corrupt that the only solution is to tear it down and start again.
The target of the judges’ rulings were Combatant Status Review Tribunals, panels that determine whether a prisoner is an “unlawful enemy combatant” who can be tried by one of the commissions created by the 2006 law. The tribunals are, in fact, kangaroo courts that give the inmates no chance to defend themselves, allow evidence that was obtained through torture and can be repeated until one produces the answer the Pentagon wants.
On Monday, two military judges dismissed separate war crimes charges against two Guantnamo inmates because of the status review system. They said the Pentagon managed to get them declared “enemy combatants,” but not “unlawful enemy combatants,” and moved to try them anyway under the 2006 law. That law says only unlawful combatants may be tried by military commissions. Lawful combatants (those who wear uniforms and carry weapons openly) fall under the Geneva Conventions.
If the administration loses an appeal, which it certainly should, it will no doubt try to tinker with the review tribunals so they produce the desired verdict. Congress cannot allow that. When you can’t win a bet with loaded dice, something is wrong with the game.
There is only one path likely to lead to a result that would allow Americans to once again hold their heads high when it comes to justice and human rights. First, Congress needs to restore the right of the inmates of Guantnamo Bay to challenge their detentions. By the administration’s own count, only a small minority of the inmates actually deserve a trial. The rest should be sent home or set free.
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Late Late Nite is up :)
Some late-night economics links, per Phoenix Woman’s AEI comments:
The econ-o-sphere gets active now and then on the degree and the sources of economic inequality. There is almost no argument left about whether income inequality has increased in the U.S., but there’s plenty about the role of education, changing technology, trade globalization, and government policies (like tax cuts) and institutional factors.
In this post from Mark Thoma you can get an overview of who has been saying what recently on the subject. Also, here’s a recent post about a Krugman column on the promotion of our new Gilded Age under Republican tax policies. There are many more relevant articles under Thoma’s “Income Distribution” subject heading.
Another way to assess inequality in this country would be by comparison with other, economically similar countries. In this post, Kash Mansouri discusses a study that reports the inequality trend in the U.S. to be much different than in countries like Canada or Germany —we of course have had a sharp increase in inequality, while most others have not (UK is sort of an exception). But all the countries had the same experience with changing technologies, and many have developed an educated class of techies during the same time, so the case for educational all-stars being the cause, which many economists do not believe, doesn’t get much support from this study. The authors of the paper, Brandolini and Smeeding, come to some political conclusions that won’t shock anyone here.
TexB – What’s striking about the Red Book is Schlozman was picking-up the phone and calling the Director of the Election Crimes Division – Donsantos – and asking if he could indict in the weeks leading up to an election.
Schlozman testified that Donsantos gave him the go-ahead.
The funny thing is – Donsantos wrote the Red Book, which explicitly says ‘Thou shalt not indict immediately prior to an election.’
Schlozman looks a lot like a political hack. My guess is that he had No Idea what was in the Red Book, and wouldn’t know what to do even if he did read it. Hence, the calls to Donsantos for ‘guidance.’
Schlozman even went so far as to attribute to Donsantos the remarkable statement that the ‘policies’ in the Red Book were simply informal – despite Whitehouse reading the official language in the introduction saying that the Red Book represented a collection of formal policies for USAs to use as guidance.
So, either Schlozman *lied* about Donsantos giving him the go-ahead, or Donsantos has *gone crazy* and invalidated his own book.
Re: Scooter’s delay until Thursday
I too was thinking that, best case scenario, he has an “ah-ha” experience, decides he really is facing jail in 45 days, gets yelled at by his wife for the next two days (”so, if Dick jumped off the Empire State Building, would you do it too?”), and makes a complete 180 to be a model citizen, rat out half the top people in the Bush administration, get lieniency from Reggie, and slither away from politics to pursue his literary career.
Probably won’t happen, unless one believes in the “Many Worlds Interpretation” of quantum mechanics.
I newtonusr @ 274
I’m watching it now on CSPAN-1….
Is anyone else having trouble with the WaPo’s website? I can’t find their “Free Scooter!” editorial anywhere, and it should be up by now. Here, let me help get you started with some key points:
1. Even though it was what the whole investigation was all about, there should be absolutely no mention of the fact that two reporters testified in open court that Scooter Libby betrayed Valerie Plame’s identity to them. This information will drawn attention away from the “no underlying crime” talking point.
2. State that the sentence was unnecessarily harsh, even though it was at the low end of the suggested range. In fact, you probably shouldn’t distract readers with the whole issue of sentencing guidelines. Just say that Libby could have gotten probration, but he got 30 months of jail time instead.
3. Describe Libby as “respectful” as opposed to “remorseless”.
4. Mention that the judge is African-American but leave out the part about how he is very conservative and was appointed by George W Bush. Bonus points if you can use the phrase “legislating from the bench”.
5. Talk about all of the letters of support that Libby got. Do not mention that any of the authors have themselves “resigned in disgrace”. The phrase “fucking stupidest person on the face of the earth” should be edited down to “superlative with respect to his abilities”.
Get to it, Fred. We’re expecting a barn-burner!
Listening to this testimony is just amazing. This guy really thinks he’s above the law.
Ya’ll know we are upstairs? Here is the link to the fresh thread.
Every time someone calls these SOBs fascists they get hit with the Godwin’s Law Invocation critique. Well, now they’ve come right out and admitted it openly. They ARE fascists, and they no longer care who knows. That does not bode well.
The NSDAP in Germany critiqued the Weimar government at every opportunity to undermine the people’s confindence in democracy. They posited the proposition that fascism was the only realistic alternative for returning the German nation to power and productivity. The right wing think tanks in America are attempting the same strategy. First they undermine the people’s confidence in government per se and are now undermining the notion of “democracy.” The left needs to tackle the problems created by the Heritage Foundation, the AEI, Cato Institute et al. This is a difficult proposition given the fact that they are now seen as “legitmate” players on the political scene. They have to be exposed as the anti-democratic, anti-American threats that they truly are.
Follwed the links to Jules Crittenden’s fascination with Taylor Marsh’s boobs and read some of the comments there.
Crikey, there’s some scared mofos on the right, bashing Marsh because of her (appropriate) downplaying of the JFK “plot”. One commenter insisted there have been “thousands” of Americans killed by “hundreds” of terrorist acts, an exaggeration implying once their lizard brains are stoked with adrenaline, there’s no coming back from round the bend.
What’s the word for people thinking they can control their environment by eliminating anyone “different”, in many cases by linking them to “terrorism”?