Via the WaPo, from Amy Goldstein and Carol Leonnig:
"Evidence in this case overwhelmingly indicated Mr. Libby's culpability," U.S. District Judge Reggie B. Walton said moments before he handed out the sentence. The judge said he was sentencing Libby "with a sense of sadness. I have the highest respect for people who take positions in our government and appreciate tremendously efforts they bring to bear to protect this country."At the same time, Walton said, "I also think it is important we expect and demand a lot from people who put themselves in those positions. Mr. Libby failed to meet the bar. For whatever reason, he got off course.["]…
Prosecutors successfully argued that Libby had lied repeatedly to the FBI and a grand jury about how and when he learned about Plame's identity–and what he told reporters about her.
In the court filing that sought Libby's prison term, Fitzgerald emphasized that Libby's lies prevented investigators from learning the full truth about the campaign to discredit Wilson, and may have helped conceal another administration official's criminal leaks. Fitzgerald noted that Cheney was one of the first people to tell Libby about Plame, and that Libby has testified that Cheney and he may have talked about sharing information about Plame with reporters….
The month-long trial cast a harsh light on the way power and information flow through Washington. It offered a window onto the nation's divisions over the war, the Bush administration's disdain for critics and the complex working relationship between an elite tier of Washington journalists and their confidential sources inside the government.
The weeks of testimony and evidence also exposed rivalries within the White House, and the close guarding of information, even among the president's top aides. The trial also made clear that Cheney was involved more personally than had previously been known in the administration's campaign to discredit Wilson.
Former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage was revealed as Novak's original source on Plame's identity, a fact that Fitzgerald learned early in his investigation….
In the weeks before today's sentencing, admirers and detractors of Libby sent Walton more than 150 letters recommending leniency or a harsh prison term. Walton today released the letters, which come from high-ranking government officials and ordinary citizens. Among the current and former officials are former defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld, former secretary of state Henry A. Kissinger, and Marine General Peter Pace, chairman of the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff.
Ten days after the trial ended, Plame broke her long public silence about the case during an appearance on Capitol Hill. Calmly but bitterly, she lashed out at the the president's aides, telling a House committee that they had destroyed her career and slipped her name to reporters for "purely political motives That same day, the CIA confirmed for the first time that Plame had been working in a covert capacity when Novak's column disclosed her identity and that her employment status was classified under an executive order. (emphasis mine)
Libby lied — repeatedly — for a reason. He is a lawyer, one who has practiced criminal defense law and was well-versed in perjury issues from prior representations of clients. He was a high-ranking public official. We may never know the exact role that Dick Cheney and others played in this whole mess because I. Lewis Libby declined to be honest with investigators and a grand jury. That is wrong, and an affront to our nation's system of justice — and, as an officer of the court, Libby knew that when he was repeatedly lying. He was convicted by a jury of his peers, and now sentence has been passed on his conduct for a 30 month sentence to federal prison.
Arguments on whether or not Libby will be allowed to remain free on bond pending appeal will occur next week — but Judge Walton has already indicted that he is disinclined to buy such arguments from defense counsel. That sets a high bar for them in terms of changing the judge's mind on that issue. In the meantime, Libby was sentenced today to a 30-month term in federal prison, with a 2-year term of supervised release following the completion of that sentence, a $250,000 fine, and a requirement of 400 hours of community service.
No pardon. No commutation of sentence. Not now. Not ever.
We will have more on the case throughout the day as we get more information. Thanks to everyone for all of the support throughout our reporting on this.
UPDATE: From Amb. Joseph Wilson:
As Americans, both Valerie and I are grateful that justice has been served, reconfirming that our country remains a nation of laws.
We are also saddened for the pain that Mr. Libby has inflicted on his family, friends, and the nation. Mr. Libby benefited from the best this country had to offer: the finest schools, a lucrative career as a lawyer and many years of service in Republican administrations. That he would knowingly lie, perjure himself and obstruct a legitimate criminal invetigation is incomprehensible.
It is our hope that he will now cooperate with Special Counsel Fitzgerald in his efforts to get to the truth. As Mr. Fitzgerald has said, a cloud remains over the Vice President.
Every official in this administration must be held accountable for their actions.
Wonder who the first reporter will be to ask Vice President Cheney about his cloud?
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CHS, change to “culpability” in headline… whoohoo!
Almost a zed!
Christy — Isn’t it “culpability”?
Thank you Christy, Jane and Marcy for all of your great work! FDL Rocks!
Sanity returns!
I’ll believe it when I see it as far as Libby actually ever serving time. I hope my cynicism is unfouded.
Thanks folks — it was a typo. It’s fixed.
Libby in jail. Where he belongs.
No one is above the law!
Thank you Fitz and Judge Walton!
will this sentence even get a third of the attention of paris hilton’s?
I keep wondering what kind of deal Cheney and friends have lined up for the Libby family in order to keep Scooter from talking. They have to have guaranteed Scooter a very nice income of some kind for life.
what are they going to repossess first, my keyboard, my car, or my house?
Merry Fitzmas, beloved ‘lakers.
dmg @ 9
Only if Scooter exposes most of his body parts.
Thanks FDL for all your hard work. Now off to hit the donate button.
Gnome de Plume @ 10
it’s prolly all ready in an account in Switzerland, with a nice lot down Paraguay Way.
will this sentence even get a third of the attention of paris hilton’s?
Only if scoots has a VERY successful sex change operation.
dmg @ 9
Yeah, I had to laugh, a bit ruefully, when MSNBC was covering Paris with the headline, “SHE SPENT HER SECOND NIGHT IN JAIL” while the hearing was going on.
Talk about yer not-so-bright shiny objects…
Madness, madness, madness
I am so frustrated. We need to get our eyes on the ball.
NO ONE HAS BEEN INDICTED OR PROSECUTED FOR OUTTING A COVERT AGENT WHO WAS WORKING TO THWART TERRORISM.
…sorry to scream. But they have ALL skated. Again. My entire political life, it’s the same thing. Iran-Contra. Lord, I refuse to list the corruption, graft and treason. Makes me sick.
No one has been prosecuted by what some consider the people’s hero, Mr. Fitz. Doesn’t anyone have any anger about that? Ugh.
I don’t suppose the Scooter conviction this morning will be mentioned tonight at the Rethugican candidate debate. Pity it won’t.
OK, in my dreams, Scooter sings and implicates Bush and Cheney.
And then Monica Bellucci walks in and asks if I’d like a…well, you get the picture
Thank you, CHS and FDL!
“Via the WaPo, from Amy Goldstein and Carol Leonnig:”
What are the odds that Fred Hiatt and his flock of neo-cons on the editorial page have any remorse for their wrongful tales than Libby did for his wrongful deeds?
tommy yum @ 12
And a Happy New Hearing this afternoon.
Big pdf of all the Libby letters on this page at Salon: Link.
dakine01 @ 17
did you hear Jon Benet’s dad is dating Natalie Holloway’s mom!!!!
Wow! Have been having my eyes examined all morning and just got back. I was hoping the judge would throw the book at Scooter. Finally, some justice. Does anyone think he will start talking now? His wife must be furious with him. Will she talk about his so-called Friends in High Places? Keep them doggies rollin.
I think W. will pardon Scooter before he serves a day.
I think there are several reasons for W. doing so. They are:
1]To maintain Libby’s silence;
2]To let others caught-up in administration scnadals know thier silence will be rewarded;
3]To appease the far right that is currently
raising hell over the immigration bill; and,
4]He is at 28% and doesn’t have much left to lose.
Amy Goldstein chatz at 2pm eastern, at WaPoO, about the sentencing today. Questions accepted anytime!
No pardon. No commutation of sentence. Not now. Not ever.
But, but, what about a presidential pardon?
Thank you to the entire FDL squad of reporters and bloggers!
My mom is in prison for selling drugs. She went straight to prison after she was sentenced. She didn’t make plans for us or the apt or the car or anything. We had to do all that and learn to live without her here. She didn’t get to stay home in case she wants to appeal. And nobody started any wars or killed hundreds of thousands of people because she has a drug problem and sold drugs to an undercover cop.
That was my prediction that I left over at TNH the other day. first half came true, I will have to wait to see if the second part does too.
Question: In cases like this, when supporters set up a defense fund or pay fines for a convicted felon (kinda fun typing that), is the financial support considered part of the felon’s income for tax purposes? How does that work?
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New Froomkin leads with Libby
EPUd from last thread:
Jane S. @ 177
Please let him know a kindly soul tried to spare him…
or Twain @ 13
or appears on mtv ahead of his booking.
Perhaps both of you could pull on Shuster’s trouser leg & demand that YOU be on KO tonight!!!
At the very least, he should give you a shout out (and an acknowledgment that he cheats off your paper).
Yeah, it’s beer-thirty in Europe.
newspaperbrat @ 20
Some CNN talking head said he expected the pardon topic to come up tonite. I hope it does. I want them all on record in favor of pardoning a felon who lied to federal agents and perjured himself to the grand jury investigating the exposure of a national security asset in a time of war.
Not that I expect the question to be phrased that way, but still….
newspaperbrat @ 20
Nah, it’ll be mentioned when Wolfie asks for a show of hands on how many would Pardon Libby for no underlying offense…
SnarKassandra @ 29
DING!!!
ifthethunderdontgetya @ 22
Hiatt works on the editorial side of the Post. I don’t think he reads articles from the news side of the paper since this would influence his previously formed opinions.
RadRobin @ 19
In a weird sense (if I understood today’s cross-referencing proceedings correctly), someone was sentenced for IIPA, i.e. outing a covert agent. IANAL, so it would be nice if one of our actual legal types could comment on that.
It’s not quite an indictment or a conviction, but it is something.
WaPo (quoted by CHS @ Top): “[The Libby case] offered a window onto the nation’s divisions over the war, the Bush administration’s disdain for critics and the complex working relationship between an elite tier of Washington journalists and their confidential sources inside the government.”
It’s kind of interesting how the word ‘complex’ has become synonymous with ‘corrupt’ in this administration.
SnarKassandra @ 29
Wow. Cassie, I am so sorry to hear that. I really hope that your mother is getting better. I am sure she is very very proud of you–I would be if you were my daughter.
LS @ 38
And nobody pardoned her either.
RadRobin – And you’d like him to prosecute a case for which he could not prove the knowldge componant as required by law due to Libby’s obstruction? That would have been prosecutorial misconduct to file a case he could not prove. We know about Bush, Cheney, Rove, Armitage and others involvement in this mess because of this case — it is all in the public purview at this point to the extent that evidence was revealable.
Fitzgerald and his team are prosecutors — they do what they can under the law, only bringing the cases that they can successfully prosecute because THAT is their job. Anything else is up to the rest of us in the political arena. If you were expecting them to save you from the Bush Administration, then you do not understand what being a prosecutor is.
old gold @ 26
No matter what Bush does, there always seems to be 28% who support him. He could be eating raw fetuses on a friday night and still have support from 28 percent of americans.
Bush can pardon, and probably will. The result will be that the rest of the 72% who think he is doing a poor job as President will just start getting more vocal about Bush’s incompetence. So the quiet majority will get louder..And louder..And louder.
looseheadprop @ 30
You got me by a month. I had 29 months; should have never picked an odd number, I know better than that. Unless pardoned, I think he will serve at least 22-24 months.
Mauimom @ 35
I believe Joe Wilson is KO tonight for the entire show…
dakine01 @ 32
… and very appropriately tips his hat in Emptywheel’s direction:
Woodhall Hollow @ 42
Thank you.
No, she is still using even while she is in prison. And the Texas prison she is in doesn’t have any psych services at all (which she needs cause she’s got 3 different diagnoseses) and the only drug/alcohol rehab stuff is done by volunteers.
I am glad she isn’t here cause she was pretty abusive and not a good mother a lot of the time, but I would prefer if she was in treatment or psych hospital and not in prison.
lhp, since you are here — did you see Anthony Fauci’s letter on official stationery? Who prosecutes this kind of error?
Smoking Gun
cancer_cures @ 45
At the time of his resignation, even after it was obvious to msot of the world that he had broken more than a few laws, Nixon STILL had 24% apporval ratings. The Chimpenfuhrer is about at the bottom of people who actully use brain power.
TeddySanFran @ 36
Thanks TeddySF – I hope it does too and will be sure to watch the Rethug hopefuls squirm tonite after all.
must.
not.
feed.
Froomkin is absolutely right when he says “invaluable” wrt to Emptywheel and the liveblogging. Heck, FDL and everyone associated with it are invaluable!
Professor Foland @ 40
IANAL either but my answer would be yes and no. The importance of the cross-referencing is not just its effect on the length of the sentence. It is an admission by the court that it recognizes that there was an underlying crime the investigation of which was obstructed.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 44
I don’t know if I would go so far as prosecutorial misconduct; the scienter could be established by circumstantial evidence. Difficult to see a “likelyhood of conviction” though.
Teddy- It’s already gone. Impersonating someone else by using their nickname is not something I am in the mood to tolerate today.
TeddySanFran @ 54
My arm feels like Dr. Strangelove’s arm..I want to hit the button. But I won’t. :>
Professor Foland @ 40
Not really. The way cross referncing in an obstruction sentencing works is
The bigger/more important the crime you are obstructing the investigation of, the higher your sentence should be for obstructing. This prevents obstruction from being the lesser of two evils for the witness.
So if you obstruct a murder investigation that is worse than obstructing a jay walking investigation and the sentence handed down should reflect that.
TeddySanFran @ 53
Exactly. Although we appreciate the concern!
The “Quote This Comment” link doesn’t work and there is no button to refresh the comments. Does anyone know why?
yeppers, just looked, and James Carville’s signature is indeed on Mary Matalin’s letter for leniency.
Buh-Bye Mr. Carville! May your unemployment as a democratic strategist be long and non-profitable.
But in order to be of at least some help to Mr. Carville – I hear that there are openings at Chuck E. Cheese. Even if they have no current openings, I’m sure that they’ll keep your application and resume on file should something open up.
@ 10
“I keep wondering what kind of deal Cheney and friends have lined up for the Libby family in order to keep Scooter from talking. They have to have guaranteed Scooter a very nice income of some kind for life.”
IMHO: dead eye DICK will not lift a finger for scooter. scooter will live the rest of his sorry life in fear. he will not be given anything from DICK et al for not squealing —- except his life . . .
scooter is already a wealthy man so wing-nut welfare will man little to him.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 44
And that deserves widening: Fitz tried a case that he felt could survive a greymail defence. That, I think, is one big reason why Rove didn’t get indicted.
My gut feeling is that Judge Walton is well aware of the spectre of a pardon hanging over this case, and doesn’t particularly want to see the judicial process nullified by Bush’s presidential Sharpie.
Bad typo on last comment. Make that likelihood….
looseheadprop @ 30
I thought Federal Courts require a mnimum 80% of the original sentence to be served. That makes two years anyway.
noen at 62 — It sounds like your browser cache is full. Try refreshing the whole page and, if that doesn’t work, restart your computer. It’s workng fine for me but sometimes a full browser cache — especially if you have had your computer on for a while, can cause a blip.
jayt @ 62
Bad idea. He would scare the children.
SnarKassandra @ 49
I really understand what you are going through since I grew up with an alcoholic mother who was also very abusive. I always wished that there could’ve been some way for my mother to get treatment (this was during the days before treatment) and I wish your mother could too. For your sake as well as hers.
I just heard the news!
Congrats to Christy, Jane, and all the FDLers who worked so diligently to see that justice was not only delivered, but explained in a clear and understandable way so even this numbskull could comprehend it!
Thank you all!
Christy Hardin Smith @ 67
Switched from Firefox to Explorer and it works now. Thanks
Connecticut Bob @ 72
I mostly understand it. If I read this and Huff Po and the links, I’ll understand all of it by tonight.
Connecticut Bob @ 70
Hear Hear!
Huzzzzah and all that stuff.
I’ve been skimming through the letters. Seems like they called up every single person who worked in the OVP (and on Air Force 2) and told them to write a letter or else.
thugs.
From a Palm Beach Post editorial:
This other numbskull agrees with Bob. Thanks so much for making this accessible to me. I love being able to yell at the blond CNN bobbleheads at the Prettyman courthouse, “No, he didn’t!!” Seriously, FDL has provided an amazing public service.
Present at the creation of a new media paradigm, etc.
NPR reporting that the WH says that there will be no pardon … now.
Hugh @ 68
not according to matalin: children looooooooooooove the scooterman.
Thank you Jane, Marcy, Christy, and all the Firedoglake stars and firedogpups for your tenacity and support through all this.
Below is our statement on the sentencing.
As Americans, both Valerie and I are grateful that justice has been served, reconfirming that our country remains a nation of laws.
We are also saddened for the pain that Mr. Libby has inflicted on his family, friends, and the nation. Mr. Libby benefited from the best this country had to offer: the finest schools, a lucrative career as a lawyer and many years of service in Republican administrations. That he would knowingly lie, perjure himself and obstruct a legitimate criminal invetigation is incomprehensible.
It is our hope that he will now cooperate with Special Counsel Fitzgerald in his efforts to get to the truth. As Mr. Fitzgerald has said, a cloud remains over the Vice President.
Every official in this administration must be held accountable for their actions
i heart jane @ 63
And Libby is a true neo-con believer. No need to worry about him, his brain is freshly washed everyday.
Good news: Scooter’s going to prison.
Bad news: He’ll have time to write another novel.
Really bad news: It could contain a bear.
Ambassador Wilson! Hello to you and “The Wife”!
looseheadprop @ 59
This was precisely the “weird sense” that I was referring to.
But I wasn’t quite clear on whether Walton was ruling that there was a “preponderance of evidence” that IIPA had been violated, or that because IIPA was the subject of investigation, the fact of investigation alone was the reason to raise the sentence.
SnarKassandra @ 43
You are a very strong young lady. Your mother must be very proud of you.
Hey Joe Wilson, good to see you here! I hope that today’s courtroom events augur well for the future of your and Valerie’s legal travails!
Ambassador Wilson, it’s an honor to see you here!
Joe Wilson @ 79
Have fun on KO tonight and best of luck with the civil case!
Holding the Wilson family close to my heart today.
All the “Irve loves families and children” chatter in the sentencing letters really makes me hurt for the loss your family has suffered, Ambassador. Thanks to you and your extraordinary wife for your service to the United States of America.
Walton was clear in that he wouldn’t even say that Plame was covert. He didn’t get involved in that issue.
Connecticut Bob @ 71
Hear Hear! Multiple DINGS! If only there were a Pulitzer Prize category to honor these leading edge blogger,reporters.
OMG, check out this pure spin lead in Time:
When I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby was sentenced Tuesday to a surprisingly long term of 30 months in prison for perjury and obstruction of justice, he became a victim of one of the most troubling aspects of federal sentencing laws — allowing harsher sentences for a crime that was never actually proven.
AND THIS: JUDGE WALTON “BOUGHT IT” MEANING FITZ’S POSITION:
The leak was the key issue for most Americans, the crux of an apparent White House campaign to discredit Plame’s husband, Joseph Wilson, who wrote a 2003 op-ed piece debunking WMD justifications for the Iraq war. But while outing a CIA agent can be illegal, neither Libby nor anyone else was actually charged with doing that to Plame. In fact, pre-trial maneuvering found the prosecutor, Patrick Fitzgerald, insisting that this was not a case about a leak and fighting defense requests for documents about whether Plame was ever a covert agent, a status that could have made intentionally leaking her identity a crime.
http://www.time.com/time/natio…..73,00.html
WHAT PURE CRAP. THIS IS THE MSM? THIS IS “NEWS”?
FITZ “CHANGED HIS TUNE” AND WALTON “BOUGHT IT” LIKE A CON OR SOMETHING?
Completely off topic:
Today is World Environment Day, which is celebrated in other countries but not in the U.S. Except ….. it is being celebrated with an education campaign at YouthInkLeft.
dmg @ 78
Matalin scares the heck out of ME! Are we sure she isn’t a shape-shifting reptilian?
Joe Wilson @ 79
thank you, ambassador — i hope that statement sends a shiver down the backs of rove and cheney.
Hugh @ 68
But, but, but according to Cruella DeCarville, all the little childrens just LUVS them some Scooter…
Mary Matlin’s description needing to work with Scooter in the desolate “undisclosed” location during terror threats with Cheney was really creepy. She says that Cheney’s grandchildren were “required” to be there and that it was Halloween. Then she goes on to describe herself as “whining” that she was missing her own young children and how Libby went to great pains to create halloween for the kids…while, presumably her very own children were in danger of being what; getting killed by terrorism? That scenario is surreal.
looseheadprop @ 86
Not really. I don’t talk to her anymore. But last I heard, she thought I was a spoiled brat cause no one here makes me go visit her. But lots of OTHER people are proud of me and I am proud of myself, so it’s 99% OK.
Joe Wilson @ 79
Thank you and Valerie for being real patriots and standing up to this administration. If only they’d have listened to you and others in their own administration….we would not be where we are today.
Sparkles the Iguana @ 75
Her memoirs can be printed, but first must be sent to the CIA for editting classified information. I guess I base this on Robert Baer’s book on CIA strategy in the Middle East. A lot of content, and every few pages, paragraphs of blacked out lines.
This is good news. I hope he doesn’t write another novel. & We’ll have to get Darth indicted before he tries to pardon Scooter.
Best wishes to Joe Wilson & family.
Professor Foland@84 – The sentencing order/minute entry should spell all that out better when filed.
LS @ 95
Yeah, and what’s with bunkering up the entire Cheney gene pool? Who pays for that every time Shooter sees his shadow?
dmg @ 94
Yes thank you. And thank you for everything you and your wife did to try to help the country and to help us not need a war.
Cassie @ 49, a Texas prison is a hard place to be; particularly, if you need special care. I, too, wish she could get the help she needs and am impressed with your good sense and character.
I intensely dislike the work of undercover cops and sting operations. And so much else about our judicial system and the crimes committed on prisoners by their jailers and by other inmates. We desperately need prison reform so that a serious attempt will be made to rehabilitate prisoners and not to punish them.
Continue to let us know how you are going forward with your promising life.
Shouldn’t Scooter also be disbarred?
Joe and Valerie,
I know the champagne will be particularly delicious tonight. Congratulations, and keep fighting.
Bush won’t ‘intervene’ for Libby, says spokeswoman
-via ThinkProgress
jayt @ 62
So, wrt the Cajun Cueball’s efforts on behalf of HRC, may we presume the “presumptive” Democratic nominee also supports leniency for Libby? Or does she need to consign publicly his services to the ashheap?
TeddySanFran @ 50
What a moron Fauci is! Thanks for the heads up Teddy.
The answer, is the US Attorney in the relevant district, and possibly the Office of Special Counsel (you know, the folks who investigate Hatch Act violations? They do other ethics investigations as well)
dmg @ 92
We are honored by your presence Mr. Ambassador.
Ambassador & Mrs. Wilson:
Your sacrifice for the country is very much appreciated. We, Americans, owe you so much!
Best wishes in your future endeavors.
PEACE!
The TIME point is worth considering.
Should there be a harsher sentence for lying about an investigation of murder than- say- tax evasion- even though (for the purposes of discussion) neither crime was actually committed?
SnarKassandra @ 29
Cassie: sorry that fate has been so unkind to you. It must have been, and still be, very hard to deal with that. What you’ve made of your life since then is really impressive! Keep it up, and don’t forget (as I’m sure you don’t) how unfair the system is–I don’t think your mom got any letters from high govt. officials asking for leniency.
tommy yum @ 105
Tommy, I hope that you continue to receive good news also.
Amb. Wilson — Always good to see you, Joe. Updated the post above to reflect your statement. Please give my best to Valerie and the kids.
The list of people who wrote love letters in support of Libby is interesting. It includes Hillary advisor Carville. In listing Libby’s accomplishments none mention that he and his neocon friends played a lead role in getting us into a war that has already cost 600,000 lives.
Clarice Feldman in some kind of meth haze….
uwyoalum @ 105
Wonder if anybody’s filed a complaint to his state bar.
cancer_cures @ 98
The material that she wants to publish is already in the public domain. It is beyond crazy to censor her for that.
Bush chief of staff Josh Bolten and outgoing counselor Dan Bartlett advised the president of the Scooter Libby verdict shortly after takeoff from Prague en. route to Germany.
Bush will not be commenting while the sentence is under appeal.
But Dana Perino., deputy press secretary, said: “The president said he felt terrible for the family.”
Perino, saying Bush refuses to speculate on any pardon, did say: “He’s not going to intervene.”
Huh?
He might pardon but he’s not going to intervene. That makes sense?
JPL @ 114
I will say that Esten’s CT scan was negative, so no blood clot.
Whew.
RadRobin @ 19
Yes. And I, too, share your feelings that the admiration many on the left have for Fitzgerald are misplaced. His record has not been free of suspicion that he’s been politically motivated a time or two. There is no such thing as an apolitical USA. It’s the nature of the beast. You don’t to be a USA without being active in state party politics.
Throughout this presidency, I’ve had this nagging suspicion that things are a hell of a lot worse than even we on the left believe. And that the conspiracy to grab, concentrate and keep all of the power with the Executive (and Republicans) is so complete that even the honest Republican has been neutralized. Whether it’s pictures of politicians in bed with little boys or dead women, something has the lot of them immobile. And that’s the only reason I cut Fitzgerald some slack. In case Fitzgerald has hung back, intentionally, on prosecuting every last member of this conspiracy (hatched in the OVP) for fear of the son (43) pulling a ‘41 (pardoning Caspar Weinberger after he was indicted).
There is nothing that prevents a prosecutor in the next administration from going after each and every person involved, after Bush has no more power to pardon. That’s the only explanation I can see for not prosecuting for blowing Plame’s cover.
Senator Bob Menendez on cspan 2 now with callins re immigration and the danger of having laws where so many legal residents can be swept up in the raids, among other topics.
Update: back to the Senate, votes on immigration will be taken about 3.30
jayt @ 62
I doubt Carville is qualified to work at CEC. He’d scare the children.
twolf1 @ 107
From the same guy who said, “if anyone leaked info, then they would be gone.”
I wouldn’t take Bush’s quote to the bank…
Sure wish somebody would ask Dana Perino which family W feels terrible for — the Wilson family?
Kevster @ 66
I said minimum of 10 months. Not maximum. That is least amount of time I think will pass before any of the appeals or politcal reversals can effect his incarceration.
If any of them do at all. This whole pardon Scooter thingy, I don’t think it would come quickly if it comes at all. And appeals take time. So, even if you are worried that the DC Circuit is rigged, it will still involve a meaningful amount of jail time for Scooter.
tommy yum @ 122
Whew Hoo!
Great News!
Jwoods @ 123
Libby didn’t do the original leak, he obstructed the investigation.
Amb. Wilson – Was it your take-away from the sentencing this morning that the original IIPA Violation Investigation is still active?
What, iyo, are the ‘next steps’ in terms of pursuing Cheney on the criminal side, if any?
Thank you, your wife, and family for your Patriotic service to America and the Rule of Law!
rwcole @ 120
It means Bush won’t lift a finger until the day before Libby is scheduled to turn himself in, or until Bush’s last day of office — whichever comes first.
And even then, Bush might not grant the pardon. It would really tick off the CIA, which Bush might be wary of doing.
Professor Foland @ 83
The second
Is it true that federal statutes says that Libby has to serve 80% of the time?
Tommy Yum sounds like a good day to celebrate, whether it be ice cream sundaes or champagne
Will someone please send Mr. Fitzgerald a pizza? Along with our sincerest thanks.
And thanks to the Wilsons for believing in our system of justice when I had more doubt than belief.
JGabriel @ 131
Too late! So sorry.
I heard Nina Totenburg this morning say Libby has been or will be disbarred. I can’t remember which.
newspaperbrat @ 20
How do you know that?
Who’s the moderator? Maybe he/she should receive some timely suggestions for questions to all the candidates…
JPL @ 132
I vote for ice cream sundaes and champagne!
SnarKassandra @ 97
You are an amazing kid. Really. I am so glad you came here to the Lake.
cathy @ 137
If somebody gets disbarred in one state, can they move and get a lawyer license from the bar in a different state?
Driveby;
Apologies if someone has already posted this;
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/a…..ibby1.html
but it’s worth doing twice. Hillary needs to can Carville today. She has no credibility until she does, like she had much anyway.
looseheadprop @ 140
THANK you! I am glad I came too.
looseheadprop @ 127
Just after the original conviction, Al Kamen in his In The Loop column on WaPoo announced a Libby Pardon Contest to guess the date of Libby’s pardon and winner to get a t-shirt. My prediction for pardon was/is Dec 24, 2008. That would be the 16th anniversary of daddy’s pardon of Cap Weinberger et al…
Bottom line-
The govt. of the United States conspired to out the identity of one of their own covert agents- and got away with it…..
Don’t know if anyone’s to blame- but not only did they get away with it- one of the major criminals (Cheney) was never even indicted- never required to testify under oath to the Grand Jury.
This is not a judicial result that will do anything to discourage illegal behavior by the government.
egregious @ 135
Ha! Ok, change ‘tick off the CIA’ to ‘tick off the CIA even *more* than they’re already ticked’.
Woodhall Hollow @ 77
NPR reporting that the WH says that there will be no pardon … now.
Fortunately, that doesn’t mean that a pay-per-view-worthy internecine war won’t break out in Repug circles as to w/n the prez *should* pardon Scoots.
As I said before, I feel just awful for them.
Adie @ 136
These things are highly scripted. The candidates pre-screen and pre-approve all questions. There are no surprises, no one gets asked a question that wasn’t submitted and approved of in advance.
Adie @ 138
Wolfie’s moderating again tonight. I do hope someone does a side-by-side compare of the two debates just to prove hsi biases once and for all.
SJC link is working!
http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearing.cfm?id=2799
[Mod: Also going to be on c-span 3]
Gnome de Plume @ 2
I was wondering, if for the short term at least, the person should start off the thread with a:
Judge Walton!!
After all, he’s done the right thing so far. And just imagine if Libby has to go to jail right away. Besides, judges don’t always do the right thing(*cough* Thomas … Scalia *cough*)
Finishing up on the readings, I see Hugh @68 beat me to the joke.
GMTA.
noen @ 128
Don’t miss my point: Libby leaked. He told folks classified info, regardless of whether he was first or not. He was being questioned by the press at the time, and Bush did not say (nor mean to say) that “if one of my guys leaked something that somebody else leaked first, then he would be off the hook.”
Bush made a statement to create the illusion that he held his officials to a measure of integrity that he had no intenion of enforcing. I see no reason to think that he has changed his ways since…
dumbya @ 91
Dumbya: Yep, the SCMSM is so up the butts of the repugs that their talking points fall like gum balls onto the tounges of the media cretins, are happily chewed upon by same, and then spat out at us like it is supposed to be fact-laden news. Horse puckey.
In fact, I just watched Kevin Corke with MSNBC state that Libby’s conviction for perjury had nothing to do with the outing of a covert agent. Are these simpletons incapable of finding out something a cub reporter on a high school paper could easily determine, like the fact that the CIA recently approved the release of a statement by Fitz that states, in fact, Ms. Plame was covert, as per IIPA, when Libby and Darth began their malicious odyssey? This continual spewing of untruisms just pisses me off, not to mention imperils our democracy.
noen @ 148
Is Leslie Blitzer gonna be the debate moderator again?
belated thank you to jane and marcy!
ot – SJC starts in 5 minutes. on c-span3 and SJC webcast.
edit – and c-span radio
They thought they are an empire, untouchable. But this proves we are still a nation of law. But this case involves too many people, to stop here will do injustice for all Americans.
Bush won’t pardon Libby anytime soon, since that would torpedo his standard excuse for not commenting — ie, that legal proceedings are ongoing.
And once Bush loses that figleaf, the question of why the White House never investigated the Plame leak internally (as per the sworn, agonized, testimony of James Knodell) will — or anyway, should — loom large again.
dumbya @ 91
Time has gone to the dark side. Hell, the hired Bill Kristol a few months ago. Joe Klein has proved to be a tool. And now, they have Dick Armey guest blogging at Swampland.
noen @ 148
oh phoo! you’re right of course.
what WAS i thinking…. %$@#
Scooter was wearing the same hideous tie today he wore the first day of the trial. Dude, throw that tie out. Obviously not your good luck tie!
noen @ 149
Why call it a debate if the players pre-screen and pre-approve all questions?
Uh oh Adie – how could it get worse?
Jwoods @ 151
Yes, that is right. THat’s a better and fuller explaination than you’ll get any where in the media. Thanks.
Drat!
This work thing seriously impedes my ability to keep up here.
Wanted to say hello to Ambassador Wilson and also best wishes to Valerie.
I certainly hope you get to nail Cheney eventually and can also get the CIA to back off so Valerie can publish that book I’m dying to read!
Thank you for your patriotism, you are an inspiration.
Bush is quoted as saying he won’t intervene- and that he refuses to comment on the possibility of a pardon…
Perhaps “intervene” means “Not do anything until the judge has made his final decisions—but we’re dealin with Clusterfuck here- so who knows.
He has had his henchmen release a statement that can be interpreted either way.
typical
Gnome de Plume @ 10
Perhaps, rather than the carrot, they applied the stick? Lotta dirty underwear in DC. Who KNOWS what they have on him . . . I’m looking for more hooks back to Franklin and A*P*C . . . it’s all tied in, and tied in to the AG issues, too. Whole big circle just LOOKING to be connected and finalized.
egregious @ 122
For the GOP Hypocrisy Files: How many Scooter supporters are also out there screaming that the letter of the law must be enforced on undocumented workers looking for a better life, but when one of their guys lies to a Grand Jury and obstructs justice in the service of political payback, hey, that’s no big deal!
Hello to Ambassador Joe Wilson.
I am happy for you and Valerie that justice was done in this case.
I am reading your book, which you signed for me at Yearly KOS. It makes me appreciate even more than before your career of service to the public and your country.
SnarKassandra @ 141
AS far as I know ( and I have not seen the applications in all 50 states) all bars ask a question on the application about whether you have been disbarred, denied admission or given up your liciense voluntarily in that or any other jursidiction.
It’s not just states that admit you, it is also individual federal district courts and other specialized courts (like the Court of Military Justice, or the Court of International Trade) that require seperate admissions. I oughta know, I have filled out many many appilcations and maintain way too many admissions all with differnt rules and different renwal dates. it’s murder trying to keep track of them.
2 minutes to SJC
Sparkles the Iguana @ 161
or, be a good dude & loan it to rover…
Beuhler, Beuhler, anyone?
This has probably been answered but, when does Judge Walton decide whether or not Scoots serves time in the big house pending appeal?
Usual traffic near noon eastern: 5,000
Today’s traffic: 45,000
Hearty thanks to all who played by the rules, whose fingers hurt from not refreshing, who were good sports when their offtopic stuff got thrown into mod.
A toast to teamwork! To FDL community!
IRT the Time article. It’s truly biased. But the good news is that no one is buying it. Check out the poll 83% think the sentence is fair.
Hearing room up on CSpan3
darkhawk973 @ 157
I wish it did prove we are a nation of law. I’ll believe it when Libby is actually in jail. I think Bush will pardon Libby before he serves a day.
Joe Wilson @ 79
To Joe & Valerie Wilson and family … you exemplify the definition of partiotic service.
Continue to work for justice … in time all those who wronged you will pay.
It breaks my heart to know that agents have perished as a result of this administration’s misuse of power … and that so many applaud their actions.
There are many more with you than against you … you will succeed … and let us know how we can join in your quest for justice.
Today is Day One of giving truth back … there will be many more …
Love & Best Wishes to you all !!!
P.
Amy Goldstein over at the WaPo chat answered my question re spinning Judge Walton, seems he was seated by both Bushes, so Fox may have a harder time hinting at partisanship.
OT: Schlozman hearing getting underway on C-SPAN 3. (”The Tres”)
Fresh thread for the Senate Judiciary hearing for everyone.
The Lurking Mod @ 172
many thanks to the mods!!!!
selise @ 156
thanks for the heads up
Scooter Libby Guilty: Yet Another Lame Terrorist Plot Expected to Be Uncovered Shortly.
A hearty Thank you to the Mods.
I knew the place was getting slammed when it got to the point my browser wouldn’t refresh w/out getting kicked out.
rwcole @ 164
That highlights what I think is going to happen. Bush is creating the illusion that he respects the justice system now by saying that he will “not intervene.”
After the dust settles, I’m certain the prosepect of a pardon for Libby will be raised. It’s against Bush’s nature to hold his boys accountable for anything but total loyalty to him.
The Lurking Mod @ 174
((((((((((lurking mod! ))))))))))
The Lurking Mod @ 172
Hear, hear! Thank you Lurking Mod!
uwyoalum @ 105
Yes.
Jwoods @ 153
Bush never expected any of his cronies to actually get busted. Even then, Bush probably figured he could stonewall, and the press would let him get away with it and not press the issue, rather than deal with his tantrums.
Unfortunately, though predictably, Bush was right about the latter.
newspaperbrat @ 160
They rehearse what their answer will be too. The candidate and his/her advisors go over what their response will be. I suppose there are a few unscripted moments during the debate. It is a media show. They should awards a Tony for the best actor.
For anyone who hasn’t seen it, Joe Wilson on video (posted yesterday) — great “excited utterance” (spit-takeable) by the Ambassador. And if I can say directly to Ambassador Wilson, it’s about time (that you said it)! Frankly, I don’t know how you and your wife have managed to remain so focused and poised before the public all these years. But, that’s why I don’t do government work (like so many in my family).
I am waiting and hoping for the day when the facade falls away, of the public lies that are told to Americans about what our foreign policy has been for the last 50 years: The undermining of communist governments, doing the bidding of rich industrialist powers, stealing resources of other nations, etc., has been directly responsible for the dumbing down of Americans and the rise of the neocons. Until people with high profiles start speaking the truth, talking outside of the paradigm of Washington-speak, we’ll remain on this path to fascism and the end of this grand experiment.
Gnome de Plume @ 10
Cheney never gave up his Halliburton options, which were at a low price for what the value was before the war and after he made the executive decision to add crippling asbestos liability to their portfolio.
Libby’s going to do just fine.
Joe Wilson @ 79
A sweet and appropriate twist of the knife, Ambassador! Any pain Libby’s family suffers is his fault exclusively.
Sally @ 104
Cassie graces us with her presence every night and we are proud to be part of her family.
((((((((( Cassie )))))))))
Big question on MSNBC: Are JonBenet’s father and Natalie Holloway’s mother dating?
Ambassador Wilson,
I hope that today, you and your wife and children are feeling a measure of relief. I cannot imagine the stress you all have been laboring under. This verdict is not only a vindication for your family, it is a vindication for all of us who believe that the system can be made to work as the Founders envisioned.
It’s hard work to make the machinary of the Justice system perform as it should and I am glad that in this instance that hard work was done by consumate professionals.
Best wishes to all in your home.
I see that today’s sentencing is getting next to no coverage on the cable channels. They’re reporting Day 2 of Paris in jail, the rich posting ‘no trespassing’ signs, ‘private property’ on Malibu beaches, John Ramsey is dating Natalee Holloway’s mother, and even Princess Diana accident photos.
I really have no hope for our country.
A comment at Swampland:
Mr. Leahy is such a crackup!
Kicking ass, taking names – getting to it!
Tell me again why do I have to go to work?
Crap! Why couldn’t I have chosen politics over medicine?
WestCoaster @ 197
We shut the TV here when they started asking if being a soccer mom and pushing too hard is child abuse.
Wordsmith @ 200
You are a doctor? I was guessing a writer.
WestCoaster @ 197
There was no underlying crime. Criminalization of Politics. Scooter is a real nice guy.
Nixon at 24 percent. Dubya at 28 percent. The four percent difference is easily attributable to the dumbing down of the electorate via the republican saboutage of our educational system and the exploding growth of right wing media since Reagan’s destruction of the Fairness Doctrine.
TeddySanFran @ 76
What a thrill to have been an electronic witness to the suberb groundbreaking work of the good folks at FDL. I feel I have experienced history as it happens.
I missed the invention of the introduction of the printing press , the telegraph, and radio.
I was thrilled the first time television showed me “Wide World of Sports” in near real time. The live blogging by the FDL crew has shown us the birth of something revolutionary. I have real information already at my disposal when the talking heads and self-serving jerks try to frame the discussion about this case and rewrite history.
Thank you all again!
Pshew! That Emptywheel is incomparable! Thank you to Marcy for setting the standard of excellence in this (brave) new world.
Y’all should go see thesmokinggun.com for the letters people wrote for poor I. Lewis (sob). Including the increasingly useless James Carville. Hey, here’s one thought: how about we write all kinds of letters impugning his marriage, and asking him why he doesn’t divorce his crazy wife? It’s been fair game to ask Hill why she didn’t leave Bill, after all, or to speculate on the political motivations of their marriage.
Anyway, I can’t be the only one to notice that the long-expected Jefferson indictment arrives the day before the Libby sentence. And that they’re asking for 200 years in jail for far less money than the Dukester stole. It’s just that he was “looking for money… from Africa.” No?
Instead of 30 months in jail he should have to do a three year tour in Iraq as an army infantryman rank of E-1.
After scrolling thru to #206, I’m left with a big WOW!
Thanks FDL, on site at the sentencing.
And, a teary eyed thank you to Amd. Wilson, Mz. Wilson and their family. Thank you for your service to our country.
Well done all, and thanks. I learnt a lot about legal sentencing affairs today . . .
this is good, but… shall we start taking bets on how much time he’ll actually do after “good behavior?” 17 mos, maybe?
Let’s see Bush along with the Veep,Rice and don’t forget Powell along with others lied but we finally got Scooter now lets all roll up our sleeves and get the other bastards
SnarKassandra @ 202
No….MRI/Rad Tech.
hackworth @ 203
Absolutely!
I remember the day when USA Today opened shop (1982), giving people less information than the more that an informed electorate desperately needs. USA Today gives people the illusion that they are informed, by bullet-points that are carefully culled to sway opinion. And then when the FCC sided with Murdoch in 1995 (and Clinton signed the Telecommunications Act of 1996), I knew the battle for the people to reclaim our government would be all uphill.
We’ve got to get other candidates than those running — None of them are inclined to or capable of reclaiming the nation, restoring the Constitution, and changing the conditions which make us targets for terrorist attacks.
Candygram for KKKarl Rove and DDDick Cheney. Sorry, nothing here for you Mr. BBBush… yet.
Libby ought to look at the bright side – given his notoriously “spotty memory,” he won’t have to live with the awful memories of prison just a few short years after he serves out his sentence!
This lying sack of shit will be pardoned. Isn’t anyone here old enough to remember Iran Contra?
That publicity release, if drafted by Joe Wilson, makes clear why he was made ambassador. It was careful, direct, effective. Let’s see what Big Dick has to say for himself; probably, nothing at all. But what will he do behind the scenes?
Here’s a blast from the past: The Washington Post’s March 7 editorial referring to the Libby Trial as “pointless”
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02020.html
How about them apples?
Today is the beginning repayment on a debt owed to Valerie Plame, her husband Joe Wilson and their family for the direct danger they were put in, and all the operatives blown along with Brewster Jennings and Associates and their networks and god knows what other damage (as in revealing more about methods of setting up NOCs and their covers that sort of thing which we have no idea of in the public by the very nature of the business) by those in this government that placed their narrow partisan domestic political considerations over the need to always, Always, ALWAYS protect the identities of those that work covert in the service of the USA to protect the security of the nation. This is by no means anywhere near sufficient, but it is more than I feared we would see while GWB was still in Office, and that is no small thing given the massive corruption and damage to the American judicial/prosecutorial systems implemented by Bushco. Let us all hope and pray that this is a beginning and not the end, for if it takes years longer I am fine with this so long as those that are guilty are finally made to pay for what they did in this horrific piece of treachery.
Thanks to this there is still hope that the America that respects the rule of law above all else first still exists under all that muck and garbage Bushco and the GOP have wrapped America and Americans up in. The road back though is going to be very long, hard, and painful, and I fear there is not the political will within America to truly face the severity of the damage done by Bushco. I say this because what enabled this more than anything was the trust and faith given to him to fight America’s enemies after the pain of 9/11/01, and it is I suspect hard for many people to accept that by turning off their critical thinking and reflection where government actions are concerned (especially as regards civil liberties and the Constitution) they helped enable this. Yes, it was done with good intentions by such folks, but that does not change the ugly harsh truth that without that Bushco would never have been able to get anywhere near as far down this road as they have before the public started to have any real awareness of this damage. It underscores yet again that elections matter, because would this even now be known if the GOP had held onto Congress? I quite doubt it!
Libby deserves to be in jail for the appeal process, after all when is the last time that a sitting CoS to a US VP (or equivalent in the government, a rather rarified and exclusive category in this case) was indicted and then convicted of a false statement and 2 counts of perjury in order to obstruct justice investigating the public leaking of a CIA active duty NOC by those within the government, in this case the WH? This man needs to be shown no more consideration than any other convicted person that has obstructed justice into a serious national security investigation, and doing so so successfully that to date it has been impossible to actually indict on the underlying crime of outing the NOC in the first place at that. I rather doubt there are too many examples of convicted perjurers and obstructers of justice in national security investigations that got to sit out on bail during the appeals, and if there is then this only shows a much worse problem than I would have thought existed. This outing was the single most egregious act I saw from this Administration in its deliberate hyping of a threat from Iraq, especially on the nukes. Of all that I have seen nothing else raised the immediate rage and fury within me that this did, thanks to my familial connections to the intelligence world and my recognition of the tremendous act of treason (and yes I use that word with deliberate thought, whether one may argue it fits the letter of the concept I am utterly convinced it fits the spirit of it) and indifference to the many lives put in harm’s and even death’s way by this, all to knock back a domestic political attack on the motive/rational for the Iraq war being necessary months after it had been initiated. That has always been what made this so exceptional for me in terms of offensiveness and disbelief both, and why I find this to be the single most offensive thing Bushco has been behind at the personal level. Politically of course it is the illegal fraudulently sold war in Iraq, but that is another matter.
Thank you all here at FireDogLake for providing this poor Nova Scotian with such an invaluable resource with which to track this case in such exceptional detail, if it were not for this site I would have not been able to follow this in anywhere near the level of detail I would have preferred, especially with the media either ignoring it or pitching for the Libby side. I am also grateful for all the excellent analysis and contextualizing that occurred here, both from the front pagers and from so many of the commentators. While I have been a lurker for most of my tenure here I have appreciated this blog for the wonderful resource that it is from the outset, and once again I thank all those involved with this blog in all roles for making this blog one of the most remarkable places I have ever seen for its knowledge, critical thinking, humour, and simple caring, both for others around them and about the world around them instead of being indifferent. FDL will likely go down in history where the internet and blogging is concerned for all it has done on this file, and while the Plame betrayal is not the only excellent long term work done here it is the signature piece IMHO. Well done all, well done!!!
Got here late because of work but, WOW! What a pleasure to see you here Ambassador Wilson. I just love you and Valerie. I have to admit I didn’t think Scooter would get any time at all for his part in this mess.I thought he would get probation. VP Dick is in this up to his eyeballs and I hope you get justice from him also. It makes me sick to hear how poor Scooters family has been humilated from the press and how this is so hard on them. Well what about what you and Valerie has gone through. The victim is always to blame and the assailant has all the rights in the USA. Btw, I think the judge gave Scooter the high end of the sentence to make his self look good because he knows he’ll never spend any time in jail. Scooter’s attorney’s will drag this out until bush’s term is over and he will be pardoned, so that way the judge can always say “I gave him a harsh sentence and bush pardoned him.”
My opinion anyway. Will just have to wait and see.
Any idea when the letters will surface?
Any comment from Fred Thompson yet?
I posted the video of Jeffrey Toobin discussing the sentencing with the flip CNN anchor.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Znhycj0tA-w
Lewis Scooter Libby was sentenced to jail today in Washington D.C. for his role in covering up the illegal leaking of a C.I.A. undercover agents’ identity and lying to and misleading federal investigators from the F.B.I. and Justice Department about this activity.
Enjoy,
JT
Joseph and Valerie Wilson are pearls before the swine of this administration. Joe’s statement regarding Libby’s sentencing was measured and eloquent, as you would expect from him. Such a contrast to the lies, dissembling and fear-speak that emanate from the White House.
Jwoods @ 185
Count on it. Reverse everything he says and you get the truth.
Bush is absolutely not credible when he says he won’t intervene inthis case. It is just like his initiaL statement that he would fire anyone associated with the leak… and we know how firmly ensconced turdblossom remains at the White House. But, the Libby sentence, especially if he has to serve time right away, does pose Bush a quandry… how to pardon Libby without sinking even lower in the polls, if that were possible. Expect the groundwork to be laid by the servile MSM and the usual Beltway hacks like Broder and politico.com.
Why Libby took the rap:
Alan K. Simpson: …I found a singular attribute which will always remain undiminished in my mind. That is the attribute of Loyalty- unswerving, unselfish, unwavering loyalty. One could almost superimpose upon his brow the accolade “The Good Soldier.” …I observed on many occasions how Dick [Cheney] relied on this man.
I can’t wait to hear the ole boy explain “that cloud”. The corporate owned media’s explanation should be interesting too.
I looked through the Libby trial letters, and did not notice one from any of the FDL principals. I’m sure I read somewhere that Marcy and Jane had written one. Why wasn’t it included? Did I miss it?