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Yeay!!!!!!!

Hey Eli!

QUESTION: Mr. Attorney General, last month, Jim Comey testified about a visit you and Andy Card made to John Ashcroft’s hospital bed. Can you tell us your side of the story? Why were you there? And did Mr. Comey testify truthfully about it? Did he remember it correctly?

GONZALES: Mr. Comey’s testimony related to a highly classified program which the president confirmed to the American people sometime ago. And, because it’s a highly classified program, I’m not going to comment on his testimony.

But visiting somebody at the hospital is not classified. And anything that happened with his wife in the room isn’t classified. That’s a BS arguement!

Congrats Cassie…

Al-VIN was an idiot and the contrast between he and Todd Graves was just incredible

Hiya, LL!

Apologies if this is post is a little rushed & sloppy – I’ve been trying to help my girlfriend through some serious hard drive problems tonight.

Lousianians: Rise up. Be Blue:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=

Schlozman came across as an inept buffoon.
Goodling came across as a young woman overwhelmed by events.
But we musn’t forget how much damage these people, and others, have done to the justice system in this country.

I don’t get it. Why do they put up with this shit? Is there NO recourse for such obvious deception? To me, these guys just know that by acting dumb, they will get away with all sorts of illegal dealings, and must snicker amongst themselves over it. It seems tremendously hopeless if all that happens is we call these guys into account, and they get off by feigning ignorance. There MUST be a law against being stupid that they can be charged with!

EPU: SnarKassandra @ 134

Off Topic:

Today is World Environment day in the rest of the world outside the US, but YouthINKLeft is celebrating. Here’s my post.

The condition is actually properly termed
DRS
Dont Remember Shit

kimberly @ 9

I don’t get it. Why do they put up with this shit? Is there NO recourse for such obvious deception? To me, these guys just know that by acting dumb, they will get away with all sorts of illegal dealings, and must snicker amongst themselves over it. It seems tremendously hopeless if all that happens is we call these guys into account, and they get off by feigning ignorance. There MUST be a law against being stupid that they can be charged with!

IANAL, but I would think that claiming not to recall facts or events that it is implausible for you to forget would be a form of perjury.

“I don’t recall” is just as much of a lie as misrepresenting what you recalled.

And I thought I had chemo brain.

I didn’t hear much of the SJC this afternoon, but I sooooo loved Leahy smacking Alvin around. Good times!

Eli @ 12

kimberly @ 9

I don’t get it. Why do they put up with this shit? Is there NO recourse for such obvious deception? To me, these guys just know that by acting dumb, they will get away with all sorts of illegal dealings, and must snicker amongst themselves over it. It seems tremendously hopeless if all that happens is we call these guys into account, and they get off by feigning ignorance. There MUST be a law against being stupid that they can be charged with!

IANAL, but I would think that claiming not to recall facts or events that it is implausible for you to forget would be a form of perjury.

“I don’t recall” is just as much of a lie as misrepresenting what you recalled.

But how do they prove that really he can recall?

kimberly @ 9

I don’t get it. Why do they put up with this shit? Is there NO recourse for such obvious deception? To me, these guys just know that by acting dumb, they will get away with all sorts of illegal dealings, and must snicker amongst themselves over it. It seems tremendously hopeless if all that happens is we call these guys into account, and they get off by feigning ignorance. There MUST be a law against being stupid that they can be charged with!

I disagree. Leahy is probably putting together the perjury charges on Al-VIN even as we speak. He was so amazed at how stupid Al-VIN was throughout the hearing he was almost speechless. He and Schumer both gave Al-VIN an opportunity to correct and amend the record (and DiFi as well especially for the names of specific names.)

Jane Hamsher @ 13

And I thought I had chemo brain.

I think they’re living proof that we need to start testing more cattle.

SnarKassandra @ 15

But how do they prove that really he can recall?

That’s the tricky part. But I believe it can be done, especially if they’re Teh Stupid.

I Don’t Remember

Abu’s DOJ theme song

“I don’t know how these people even remember to put their pants on in the morning.”

especially when they ARE ON FIRE!

OT. Earlier someone asked who wrote the letter in support of Libby saying his lying was as inconceivable as life on Mars. The author was Midge Decter wife of Podhoretz. What a day, Libby never acting contrite, the I Don’t Recall crew from justice and then the repub’s debate. I think it’s a tums night for me.

what does Teh mean? (already looked it up.)

Jane Hamsher @ 13

And I thought I had chemo brain.

You’d have a hard time pleading chemo brain. Your posts are as sharp as ever and many of us little pups are envious.

JPL @ 21

OT. Earlier someone asked who wrote the letter in support of Libby saying his lying was as inconceivable as life on Mars. The author was Midge Decter wife of Podhoretz. What a day, Libby never acting contrite, the I Don’t Recall crew from justice and then the repub’s debate. I think it’s a tums night for me.

I’m very excited about there being life on Mars!

SnarKassandra @ 15

Eli @ 12

IANAL, but I would think that claiming not to recall facts or events that it is implausible for you to forget would be a form of perjury.

“I don’t recall” is just as much of a lie as misrepresenting what you recalled.

But how do they prove that really he can recall?

by interviewing all the people that he claims to have dealt with or asked or said he discussed things with. The adults will be like Todd Graves, able to cite chapter and verse of who they spoke with when and what the topic was and the general consensus. Like when he claimed that Craig Donsanto directed him to file the indictments in MO just before the election even when donSanto wrote the prosecutor’s manula that states that the DoJ does NOT file voting related law suits just before an election.

Al-VIN was lying in many areas today and not just with his “I dunnos” He made some flat statements that it appeared from teh questions that the Senators had refuting evidence.

Can somebody help me parse the phrase “that the President confirmed” He keeps using that bizarre phrase. I think it’s somehow his “out” in terms of perjury, but I can’tget a handle on why.

SnarKassandra @ 22

what does Teh mean? (already looked it up.)

“The” plus irony, or emphasis.

Has anyone had a chance to check into those things?

SnarKassandra @ 22

what does Teh mean? (already looked it up.)

typing teh instead of the. Or a bit of snark that uses teh instead purposefully.

Helen @ 26

Can somebody help me parse the phrase “that the President confirmed” He keeps using that bizarre phrase. I think it’s somehow his “out” in terms of perjury, but I can’tget a handle on why.

The meaning is that there are programs that the president has *not* confirmed, or at least that’s the plausible deniability.

Have you ever smelled gingko during pollination? Whew! Gingko’s are gymnosperm. I guess that explains it!

gymnosperm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnosperm

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kwanten/propagation.htm

This is great the Democrats are Rebranding the Republicans as the guilty and lying, or incompetent and forgetful party depending upon what you believe. I admit we do need to score a few more prosecutions but getting Scooter certainly helped prove that there is a fire behind the smoke of all these investigations. The Republicans are in denial and are trying to run out the clock. The cost of running out the clock is the Republican’s reputation for competence. We are controling the game!

I have never seen a Senator so stunned as Leahy did when he started laughing at Alvin. It didn’t slow him down, but the look on his face was priceless.

Helen @ 26

Can somebody help me parse the phrase “that the President confirmed” He keeps using that bizarre phrase. I think it’s somehow his “out” in terms of perjury, but I can’tget a handle on why.

My guess, presidential authorization would be illegal, confirmation is just evil faith based Orwelian tactics.

kathleen @ 31

Have you ever smelled gingko during pollination? Whew! Gingko’s are gymnosperm. I guess that explains it!

All too often. The Bushies seem to have all of the stink with none of the benefits.

OT:

Wow, repubs are using the debate as cover to start the pardon Libby move (or continue it). I hope in that case that the process can go on offense since the crimes are clear and the cloud remains.

Lazy-boy Fred Thompson was on FOX and he gave a 5 minute Law & Order episode diatribe that was all lies about the case and ended with a fat pardon for coverup Scooter.

Creeps

Eli @ 6

Hiya, LL!

Apologies if this is post is a little rushed & sloppy – I’ve been trying to help my girlfriend through some serious hard drive problems tonight.

that’s hot

redX @ 36

Lazy-boy Fred Thompson was on FOX and he gave a 5 minute Law & Order episode diatribe that was all lies about the case and ended with a fat pardon for coverup Scooter.

And this is the guy who’s going to be running on the cleaning-up-Washington platform. Good luck with that…

Eli @ 30

Helen @ 26

Can somebody help me parse the phrase “that the President confirmed” He keeps using that bizarre phrase. I think it’s somehow his “out” in terms of perjury, but I can’tget a handle on why.

The meaning is that there are programs that the president has *not* confirmed, or at least that’s the plausible deniability.

But does “confirmed” mean approved of? Because if that’s the case we are sure that Bush approved of the program they tried to get Ashcroft to sign off on in the hospital because it was Bush who called Mrs. Ashcroft.

SnarKassandra @ 15

But how do they prove that really he can recall?

Because Alvin was stupid and they caught him out several times. At one point, Schumer had Alvin saying he wouldn’t ask about party affiliations because it was irrelevant. A few minutes later, Schumer asked if Alvin hadn’t boasted about doing this and Alvin admitted that he had.

Alvin testified again that partisan affilitations meant nothing although he did get recommendations from the Federalist Society and other conservative groups. When asked if anything similar happened with liberal groups, he couldn’t think of any.

And then there was the now famous or infamous slip where he thought groups like ACORN were liberal bacause they worked with poor people, or was it that poor people worked for them?

Helen @ 39

But does “confirmed” mean approved of? Because if that’s the case we are sure that Bush approved of the program they tried to get Ashcroft to sign off on in the hospital because it was Bush who called Mrs. Ashcroft.

I think “confirmed” here means “admitted the existence of after the NYT ratted him out.”

For my radical sweet thing comin’ down from Tahlequah, OK. tonight:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=

Kimberly @ 9

I don’t get it. Why do they put up with this shit?

They are the heels in the fake sport of two party politics!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_(professional_wrestling)

their apalling arrogance and blatant rulebreaking get get the audience all riled up so they keep coming back and rooting for the face wrestler to deliver their come-uppance!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(professional_wrestling)

however, maybe, just maybe, the whole sport is fake, and is designed to keep the voters coming back for more of the same from the (D) Team and the (R) Team, and preventing anyone thinking that the two wrasslers have more in common with each other, and all the commotion is just a lot of kabuki. just sayin…

http://www.salon.com/comics/to…..index.html

Jane Hamsher @ 13

And I thought I had chemo brain.

Here is one non-chemo enhanced brain that is in awe of yours.

God, I wish one of these CNN spinners would just say of The GOP 08s, “who are these losers trying to kid?”

Re Gonzo saying:

“There has not been any serious disagreement, including — and I think this is accurate — there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed. There have been disagreements about other matters regarding operations, which I cannot get into,”

I take that to mean there were no disagreements about the program Bush confirmed after he caved circa the Mueller and Comey one to ones at the WH. It sounds like simple word play to avoid acknowledging the illegality and disagreements around what was happening leading up to the hospital showdown, through it, and up to Bush caving. ‘Other programs’ remains a possibility, but the emphasis appears to be on what Comey knew about.

TSF#45, I had to turn it off. Couldn’t stand it any more. My salute to you for being able to stay tuned. To me, watching that debate was like bathing in shit after a day of cool, clean rain.

Muzzy @ 46

Re Gonzo saying:

“There has not been any serious disagreement, including — and I think this is accurate — there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed. There have been disagreements about other matters regarding operations, which I cannot get into,”

I take that to mean there were no disagreements about the program Bush confirmed after he caved circa the Mueller and Comey one to ones at the WH. It sounds like simple word play to avoid acknowledging the illegality and disagreements around what was happening leading up to the hospital showdown, through it, and up to Bush caving. Other programs remains a possibility, but the emphasis appears to be on what Comey knew about.

I dunno; that really doesn’t sound timeframe-specific to me. Although, grammatically, it could mean that the president hasn’t confirmed any disagreement…

Eureka Springs @ 34

Helen @ 26

Can somebody help me parse the phrase “that the President confirmed” He keeps using that bizarre phrase. I think it’s somehow his “out” in terms of perjury, but I can’tget a handle on why.

My guess, presidential authorization would be illegal, confirmation is just evil faith based Orwelian tactics.

Or there is something else the President has not confirmed that is even uglier and that nobody wants to talk about.

Eli – thanks for the laugh listening to the video from Thinkprogress!!! I needed that.

TeddySanFran @ 45

God, I wish one of these CNN spinners would just say of The GOP 08s, “who are these losers trying to kid?”

Toobin just did, in effect; he note all of them essentially support the Pres and his surge (though Thompson advocated a tripartite division of the country a al Biden) — and then noted that 70 percent of the country supports the Dem position of wanting to get out.

Natalie Holloway’s mom and Jean-Benet Ramsey’s dad are an item.

Fern @ 49

Or there is something else the President has not confirmed that is even uglier and that nobody wants to talk about.

Exactly.

What has Donsanto done to piss off this administration?

Fern:

Or there is something else the President has not confirmed that is even uglier and that nobody wants to talk about.

That’s where my bet’s placed.

Loo Hoo. @ 54

What has Donsanto done to piss off this administration?

He must be another Titanic deck chair.

Loo Hoo. @ 54

What has Donsanto done to piss off this administration?

I think he’s about to, actually.

Donsanto does look like the Designated Fall Guy, doesn’t he?

Earlier today I noted Craig Donsanto had written the guidelines that Alvin said Donsanto had told him to ignore. I wish this had been brought up in the Senate hearings.

That was another of Alvin’s tactics. He would reference something without explaining the context. For example, in Minnesota he wanted any investigation to be done in conjunction with the Secretary of State’s office only. He said it was appropriate. He did not point out that the need for an investigation arose precisely because the Secretary of State was engaged in a voter suppression scheme.

Layers of lies.

LS @ 52

Natalie Holloway’s mom and Jean-Benet Ramsey’s dad are an item.

Is this the missing-blonde equivalent of nuclear fusion?

Something like spying on your political opponents? Wiretapping journalists? Blackmailing lawmakers with the peccadillos of loved ones?

All of the above?

CHS, kudos and much thanks for the Libby hearing today and the SJC later. You and Marcy are amazing. From some of the Senators questions, I got the impression that they already knew the answer before they asked, like any good atty would. One question though,,, were my mom and I the only ones who went HUH? when Sholzman said that ACORN was the victim? Wasn’t that when Whitehouse ended the hearing, biting his inner cheeks to keep from laughing? I’ve looked several places since the hearing and no one is commenting on that moment, so I’m wondering if I completely went to Mars for that moment. Much thanks again.

Loo Hoo. @ 54

What has Donsanto done to piss off this administration?

Not sure he’s done anything. I think Al-VIN was just pulling a name outta his a** to try to cover what he did on his own withoug thinking things all the way through.

Schlozman is more a political operative than a lawyer – just like Kyle – and Monica, come to think of it.

Is the Public Integrity Section populated by loyalty goons, too?

If Donsanto has been at DoJ since ‘70, and wrote the now famous Red Book – why would he ‘green light’ pre-election Indictments – counter to his own written policy?

Let’s get Donsanto in front of the SJC!

Hugh @ 59

Earlier today I noted Craig Donsanto had written the guidelines that Alvin said Donsanto had told him to ignore. I wish this had been brought up in the Senate hearings.

That was another of Alvin’s tactics. He would reference something without explaining the context. For example, in Minnesota he wanted any investigation to be done in conjunction with the Secretary of State’s office only. He said it was appropriate. He did not point out that the need for an investigation arose precisely because the Secretary of State was engaged in a voter suppression scheme.

It was pointed out to Al-VIN by Schumer with an incredulous tome of voice that Donsanto had written the guide book. Schumer sounded like he was not all that believeing that Donsanto would have violated the rules he had written so egregiously.

It was also asked of Al-VIN why Heffelfinger should go to the Sec of State for MN on a case involvving NA which would be fed jurisdiction but NOT do the same on a case in MO that was being adequately handled locally.

TeddySanFran @ 62

Something like spying on your political opponents? Wiretapping journalists? Blackmailing lawmakers with the peccadillos of loved ones?

All of the above?

If memory serves me, seems that they wanted to question Bolton about this during his confirmation hearings. There were rumors that they were listening to Powell at the time.

Dee Loralei @ 63

CHS, kudos and much thanks for the Libby hearing today and the SJC later. You and Marcy are amazing. From some of the Senators questions, I got the impression that they already knew the answer before they asked, like any good atty would. One question though,,, were my mom and I the only ones who went HUH? when Sholzman said that ACORN was the victim? Wasn’t that when Whitehouse ended the hearing, biting his inner cheeks to keep from laughing? I’ve looked several places since the hearing and no one is commenting on that moment, so I’m wondering if I completely went to Mars for that moment. Much thanks again.

I did notice that and had a minor WTF? moment, but I didn’t think I could do anything with it.

LS @ 52

Natalie Holloway’s mom and Jean-Benet Ramsey’s dad are an item.

And Rita Cosby’s voice is almost normal!? Vocal chord job? ; )

I forgot who named him Alvin. Anybody remember?

I did notice that and had a minor WTF? moment, but I didn’t think I could do anything with it.

Thanks Eli! I’m not crazy!!

Just hope the Republicans are gone come Jan. 2009? Can you imagine sixteen more years of oppression? And war. It’s going to take a lot of work.

radiofreewill @ 65

Schlozman is more a political operative than a lawyer – just like Kyle – and Monica, come to think of it.

Is the Public Integrity Section populated by loyalty goons, too?

If Donsanto has been at DoJ since ‘70, and wrote the now famous Red Book – why would he ‘green light’ pre-election Indictments – counter to his own written policy?

Let’s get Donsanto in front of the SJC!

This is something I don’t understand about these hearings. Staffers should know that BS is gonna name Donsanto; Donsanto should be cued up to testify immediately after BS. Why are these hearings so disjointed, weeks between each?

Eli @ 68

Dee Loralei @ 63

CHS, kudos and much thanks for the Libby hearing today and the SJC later. You and Marcy are amazing. From some of the Senators questions, I got the impression that they already knew the answer before they asked, like any good atty would. One question though,,, were my mom and I the only ones who went HUH? when Sholzman said that ACORN was the victim? Wasn’t that when Whitehouse ended the hearing, biting his inner cheeks to keep from laughing? I’ve looked several places since the hearing and no one is commenting on that moment, so I’m wondering if I completely went to Mars for that moment. Much thanks again.

I did notice that and had a minor WTF? moment, but I didn’t think I could do anything with it.

I think there were a number of us during the live blogging that caught that about ACORN as victim. It was in the same basic time that the questions on Al-VIN’s press release was part of a national investigation. Feingold was all over that if IIRC.

Heckuva job, Abu.

He can’t even manage a cover-up competently.

Hertling etal. coached him. So, they have decided to throw the ball over to Public Integrity to run out the clock.

Just like Fitz said, House of Mirrors and chasing things down rabbit holes.

It all comes down to Bush. He decided, and they are all covering for him. He said get it done, and the minions responded. Peeling back the onion takes time. They keep telling us that, but everyone goes on this damn wild goose chase, and Rove is laughing all the way. That really ticks me off.

Loo Hoo. @ 70

I forgot who named him Alvin. Anybody remember?

I think I was the first to say chipmonk voice but don’t recall who gave the name. It is a natural fit though…

ot but kinda cool:

i got a call from a reporter from the NYT asking me about my letter to judge walton wrt scooter . . . just think, my little old hand written letter to the judge is in there with those from the neo-con brain trust and that bastard carville…

haha haha….

TeddySanFran @ 73

radiofreewill @ 65

Schlozman is more a political operative than a lawyer – just like Kyle – and Monica, come to think of it.

Is the Public Integrity Section populated by loyalty goons, too?

If Donsanto has been at DoJ since ‘70, and wrote the now famous Red Book – why would he ‘green light’ pre-election Indictments – counter to his own written policy?

Let’s get Donsanto in front of the SJC!

This is something I don’t understand about these hearings. Staffers should know that BS is gonna name Donsanto; Donsanto should be cued up to testify immediately after BS. Why are these hearings so disjointed, weeks between each?

Well, they already had Graves cued up for after Al-VIN, so one contrast at a time.

neurophius @ 75

Heckuva job, Abu.

He can’t even manage a cover-up competently.

For which we should all be very grateful.

Cozumel @ 69

LS @ 52

Natalie Holloway’s mom and Jean-Benet Ramsey’s dad are an item.

And Rita Cosby’s voice is almost normal!? Vocal chord job? ; )

Damn! You noticed that too?!!! I just turned to Mr. LS and said that!! She lost some weight in her face as well – makeover. Oh well. She was really having some vocal problems there for awhile.

Wolf sez Fred will bring “charisma, charm, and likeability to the race.” He’s a big tall guy, he’s like RReagan.

The media can’t wait for Fred, they don’t like these guys.

LooHoo #70,
I think it was me. I saw somebody reference the chipmunks and went-”Alvin”.

i heart jane @ 78

ot but kinda cool:

i got a call from a reporter from the NYT asking me about my letter to judge walton wrt scooter . . . just think, my little old hand written letter to the judge is in there with those from the neo-con brain trust and that bastard carville…

haha haha….

YAY — POWER TO THE PEOPLE!~

Eli @ 48 – confusing grammar/word usage by Gonzo to say the least. The use of the word ‘confirmed’ is subject to different interpretation.

If its use means ‘approved’ that would point to a specific program as an attempt to avoid admitting that something illegal was going on prior to changing it to conform to Comey’s objections.

If it means ‘acknowledged’ in the same sentence, that would point to Gonzo’s awareness that alarm bells were going off in the WH as well as an attempt to fragment any association between his actions at the hospital to any private interactions between Comey and Bush.

Both examples raise their own sets of questions, and both are bad, but all things being equal, the latter example reveals plain cowardice, guile, and otherwise pathetic conduct.

I missed Graves (who reminds me of Douglas Brinkley btw). Anything interesting said?

i heart jane @ 78

ot but kinda cool:

i got a call from a reporter from the NYT asking me about my letter to judge walton wrt scooter . . . just think, my little old hand written letter to the judge is in there with those from the neo-con brain trust and that bastard carville…

haha haha….

I’m assuming the content of yours is somewhat different.

i heart jane @ 78

ot but kinda cool:

i got a call from a reporter from the NYT asking me about my letter to judge walton wrt scooter . . . just think, my little old hand written letter to the judge is in there with those from the neo-con brain trust and that bastard carville…

haha haha….

Way to go!!!

dakine01 @ 66

Hugh @ 59

It was pointed out to Al-VIN by Schumer with an incredulous tome of voice that Donsanto had written the guide book. Schumer sounded like he was not all that believeing that Donsanto would have violated the rules he had written so egregiously.

It was also asked of Al-VIN why Heffelfinger should go to the Sec of State for MN on a case involvving NA which would be fed jurisdiction but NOT do the same on a case in MO that was being adequately handled locally.

Thanks, I didn’t hear the first one. I scoped it out googling. As far as I know it first appeared in a CBS story in March.

As for the second, that one I heard but I my point is that the Secretary of State Kiffmeyer was a kook and up to her eyes in the matter since she was the one was refusing to accept tribal IDs for Native Americans living off reservation for voter identification purposes, a position which was rejected by a federal district judge. This was largely skimmed over by the committee and Alvin certainly didn’t volunteer it.

If I were a judge, I would certainly take into account the views of citizens who took the time to write. There were some great outraged citizen letters in there. The rest were just formulaic, as WHollow has outlined quite well.

TeddySanFran @ 82

Wolf sez Fred will bring “charisma, charm, and likeability to the race.” He’s a big tall guy, he’s like RReagan.

The media can’t wait for Fred, they don’t like these guys.

I think Fred is going to be a huge disappointment to the goopers.

Everyone in the MSM and the blogosphere needs Gingko for memory. Went searching all of the usual places. Absolutely 0 news about the A*P*C /Rosen trial/ hearing. Has the date been changed again?

Just another example of how the Israeli lobby has absolutely no power or influence on what what the MSM covers.

Can not find one thing even at Forward or JTA about the trial.

THE A*P*C/ROSEN/WEISSMAN/TRIAL HEARING OFF LIMITS BUSINESS AS USUAL.

Has anyone read or seen anything about this trial/hearing in the news?

It’s OT … but has anyone been to TalkLeft lately? They have all the letters re: Scooter. More than what was on The Smoking Gun. Good ol’ Toensing sent one. More of the ONAC crowd did as well(Midge Decter for one). I am looking through them now.

http://talkleft.com/LibbyTrial/part1.pdf

http://talkleft.com/LibbyTrial/part2.pdf

http://talkleft.com/LibbyTrial/part3.pdf

http://talkleft.com/LibbyTrial/part4.pdf

TeddySanFran @ 82

Wolf sez Fred will bring “charisma, charm, and likeability to the race.” He’s a big tall guy, he’s like RReagan.

The media can’t wait for Fred, they don’t like these guys.

Fred getting in bothers me, because the MSM has already annointed him President Elect. Dem candidate will never have a chabce, especially since folks are still messing with voting machines etc. Be afraid people, be very afraid.

I scoured Youtube today for the old original Chipmunk clips looking for “Alvin!!!!”, but all I could find were some cartoons and stuff done in the 80’s.

TeddySanFran @ 82

Wolf sez Fred will bring “charisma, charm, and likeability to the race.” He’s a big tall guy, he’s like RReagan.

The media can’t wait for Fred, they don’t like these guys.

A WaPo chatter had a great line about him:

This attempt by Republicans to compare him to Reagan makes them look like kids in the ’70s who saw their older siblings go crazy for the Beatles and decided to do the same thing … for the Bay City Rollers. My prediction is that the best day of Thompson’s campaign will be the first day.

Sorry about the wrong brackets in my 89.

And, like magic, Fred pops up on CNN screen. Tape from Fox Noise.

If anyone thinks Thompson will be easy. Better think again. Didn’t I just have to go through this the other night? Well alright. If necessary, lets do it again. I’ll be polite.

Muzzy @ 46

Re Gonzo saying:

“There has not been any serious disagreement, including — and I think this is accurate — there has not been any serious disagreement about the program that the president has confirmed. There have been disagreements about other matters regarding operations, which I cannot get into,”

I take that to mean there were no disagreements about the program Bush confirmed after he caved circa the Mueller and Comey one to ones at the WH. It sounds like simple word play to avoid acknowledging the illegality and disagreements around what was happening leading up to the hospital showdown, through it, and up to Bush caving. ‘Other programs’ remains a possibility, but the emphasis appears to be on what Comey knew about.

-and I think this is accurate- seems to be a qualifier against perjury.

Clip from Fred on FOX, via CNN, talking about a “mushroom cloud over America” tonite. He’s clearly lining up Cheney’s thirteen percent.

solai @ 98

And, like magic, Fred pops up on CNN screen. Tape from Fox Noise.

Fred’s going to be their version of “anti-hero”.

TeddySanFran @ 101

Clip from Fred on FOX, via CNN, talking about a “mushroom cloud over America” tonite. He’s clearly lining up Cheney’s thirteen percent.

Plus Ahmadinejad.

Hugh @ 97

Sorry about the wrong brackets in my 89.

Hugh that’s why the senators weren’t buying the cr*p Al-VIN was trying to sell. He couldn’t defend it in reality …

allan_in_upstate @ 103

TeddySanFran @ 101

Clip from Fred on FOX, via CNN, talking about a “mushroom cloud over America” tonite. He’s clearly lining up Cheney’s thirteen percent.

Plus Ahmadinejad.

You’re saying Ahmadinejad is as popular as Cheney?

allan_in_upstate @ 103

TeddySanFran @ 101

Clip from Fred on FOX, via CNN, talking about a “mushroom cloud over America” tonite. He’s clearly lining up Cheney’s thirteen percent.

Plus Ahmadinejad.

That is some sick stuff!!!

Fred Thompson will be very formidable. Don’t underestimate this guy.

Eli, how perfect that you used ginko fruit in your picture. Ginko may improve your memory but you’ll wish you could forget the smell of the fruit. It smells literally like shit and maybe a little like death. Apropos for sure.

Fred’s a playboy. They keep hinting that he didn’t like the long hours of the Senate. What they will say outright 6 mos from now is that he’s a lazy good-time charlie.
Or, maybe not. Repubs do seem to like lazy good-time charlies.

Why do the Republicans think that this country has to bomb, kill, nuke entire countries full of innocent men, women, and children in order to dispose of one demonized character that they invent and portray to the American people as the current major threat???? We have to get a handle on that tactic. That is just not right!!

solai @ 86

I missed Graves (who reminds me of Douglas Brinkley btw). Anything interesting said?

Graves was an adult. Came across as very professional. Started with acknowledgement that he and Whitehouse had served on committee together. Listed all his CV and he HAD accomplishments, unlike Al-VIN. Very much an admitted law and order conservative Republican but also quite aware of the prosecutor code as he put it: When the prosecutor coat goes on, the partisan considerations disappear. Stated he had never asked anyone about political leaning for hiring as a prosecutor and had a dem deputy for years that he didn’t discover until the guy was leaving to run for officce (iirc).

Quite a strong contrast to Al-VIN’s pathetic a**.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 107

Fred Thompson will be very formidable. Don’t underestimate this guy.

I agree, but he’s seriously lazy. He’s always seemed more like a political dilletente to me. Ron Paul is the only one who makes any kind of sense. And they were all of them spreading the Libby love tonight, and not one of them seemed to have any inkling about what a treasonous felon that bast*r* is!

Eli @ 96

You can’t mention the Bay City Rollers without this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhdwvx_qcAg

Mommybrain @ 108

Eli, how perfect that you used ginko fruit in your picture. Ginko may improve your memory but you’ll wish you could forget the smell of the fruit. It smells literally like shit and maybe a little like death. Apropos for sure.

There’s a little street in DeeCee, up in NW somewhere, where they clearly planted the wrong kind of gingko trees. Boy — does that street stink for about six weeks of the year! Really, really smelly: like death, catpee, and McCain.

kdh22 @ 113

Eli @ 96

You can’t mention the Bay City Rollers without this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhdwvx_qcAg

Way ahead of you.

The Dems said don’t worry about Ronnie and Arnie too.

The Republican Presidential Candidates and Fred all seem to be getting behind the Pardon Scooter movment. Its funny how after YEARS of GOPers being all about throwing the book at criminals the Gop is risking it’s BRANDED IMAGE of being tough on crime by resorting to WEASEL LAWYER TRICKS about who IS or IS not COVERT. I want to know who is afraid of Scooter talking? What are they afraid he will say? Why are the Republican Presidential candidates NOT AFRAID to support Scooter’s Pardon? Why are they risking their election chances for a loser? Who is cashing in all the house’s markers to orchestrate this? Just How Much Clout They Got?

TeddySanFran @ 114

Mommybrain @ 108

Eli, how perfect that you used ginko fruit in your picture. Ginko may improve your memory but you’ll wish you could forget the smell of the fruit. It smells literally like shit and maybe a little like death. Apropos for sure.

There’s a little street in DeeCee, up in NW somewhere, where they clearly planted the wrong kind of gingko trees. Boy — does that street stink for about six weeks of the year! Really, really smelly: like death, catpee, and McCain.

I used to have to walk past a whole bunch of the things on the way to the bus. Feh.

I always thought they smelled more like vomit than anything else.

Dakine @111, I agree. I thought it was a brilliant bit of political theatre to show, by word and deed, what a non-lying adult with qualifications for the job sctually looks like.

Being lazy didn’t hurt Reagan any.

OK, I know we all wanted to give credit where credit was due. JGabriel in the first Schlozman thread used Alvin first.

things come undone @ 117

The Republican Presidential Candidates and Fred all seem to be getting behind the Pardon Scooter movment. Its funny how after YEARS of GOPers being all about throwing the book at criminals the Gop is risking it’s BRANDED IMAGE of being tough on crime by resorting to WEASEL LAWYER TRICKS about who IS or IS not COVERT. I want to know who is afraid of Scooter talking? What are they afraid he will say? Why are the Republican Presidential candidates NOT AFRAID to support Scooter’s Pardon? Why are they risking their election chances for a loser? Who is cashing in all the house’s markers to orchestrate this? Just How Much Clout They Got?

I’m hoping the Democrats start throwing quotes about Clinton’s perjury back in their faces.

FYI: On the MSNBC poll, Ron Paul wins again.

LooHoo #70,
It was a team effort. dakine was first to say chipmunk. LGabriel was the first to say Alvin. I was the first to apply the name consistently.
It was just SO obvious.

Dee Loralei @ 119

Dakine @111, I agree. I thought it was a brilliant bit of political theatre to show, by word and deed, what a non-lying adult with qualifications for the job sctually looks like.

With the special contrast of knowing that the DoJ had replaced Graves WITH Al-VIN. The contrast was beyond sublime.

Eli @ 105

allan_in_upstate @ 103

Plus Ahmadinejad.

You’re saying Ahmadinejad is as popular as Cheney?

Among the NeoTheoCons, sure. If he didn’t exist, they would have to invent him. I mean, you can’t have an AEI conference on regime change in Denmark, can you?

Or can you…

You got it Hugh. I agree completely.

I don’t think Thompson and the Republicans will be lazy when comes to electing Fred.

Did Wolf ask either the Republican or Democratic candidates about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

Eli @ 118

TeddySanFran @ 114

There’s a little street in DeeCee, up in NW somewhere, where they clearly planted the wrong kind of gingko trees. Boy — does that street stink for about six weeks of the year! Really, really smelly: like death, catpee, and McCain.

I used to have to walk past a whole bunch of the things on the way to the bus. Feh.

I always thought they smelled more like vomit than anything else.

See what one can learn here. I did not know that.

Has anyone noticed that Republican actors have a way of beating the Democrats?

With the special contrast of knowing that the DoJ had replaced Graves WITH Al-VIN. The contrast was beyond sublime.

Hahah yes, that was perfect.

I gotta say, Ron Paul, Graves, Comey,McNulty,Eglesias and a few others, those are Republicans I can respect. I can disagree with everything they beleive about politics, but I respect tham as being moral, law-abiding patriots… the contrast between them and the Bushie apartchiks and the zampolots (sp?) is effing amazing, and that goes for all the rest running for Pres.

Where are all those who piled on about Fred not being a worry? This is no fun at all.

LS @ 110

Why do the Republicans think that this country has to bomb, kill, nuke entire countries full of innocent men, women, and children in order to dispose of one demonized character that they invent and portray to the American people as the current major threat???? We have to get a handle on that tactic. That is just not right!!

Hey, we did it to Philadelphia. Why not other countries?

The Republicans risk their reputation for competence and honesty by saying I don’t recall in almost daily hearings. They risk their law and order Reputation by defending Scooter. Yesterday we talked about Republicans turning on each other today they seem intent on ERASING everything they “cough” claimed to stand for. I’m wondering if the latest batch of “Cool Aid ” we joke about the Right wingers drinking was Jim Jones cool aid?

RonD @ 124

LooHoo #70,
It was a team effort. dakine was first to say chipmunk. LGabriel was the first to say Alvin. I was the first to apply the name consistently.
It was just SO obvious.

Kudos to you all because it nailed the essence of what followed.

i heart jane @ 78

ot but kinda cool:

i got a call from a reporter from the NYT asking me about my letter to judge walton wrt scooter . . . just think, my little old hand written letter to the judge is in there with those from the neo-con brain trust and that bastard carville…

haha haha….

So’s mine, though I would have spent more time on it if I knew it was gonna be on the tubes! How did they reach you?

my first reaction to seeing Schlozman – Kyle Sampson with hair. my first reaction hearing his voice – Kyle Sampson on helium. quite grating. like nails on a chalkboard. and what a contrast to Todd Graves, the U.S. Attorney he replaced.

Does CNN do fact checking? Where’s David Shuster when we need him? Those people are gonna follow us home! Help, help!

So the wingnuts think Fred Thompson = Ronald Reagan Redux? But what I want to know is, does Fred ride a horse and clear brush?

Dee Loralei @ 139

Does CNN do fact checking? Where’s David Shuster when we need him? Those people are gonna follow us home! Help, help!

The terrorists or the Republicans?

All levity aside here, wasn’t it wildly inappropriate for serving government officials to write letters in defense of someone convicted of four felony counts? Can you imagine the next time the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs meets with someone from CIA?
Can you imagine if this had happened under Clinton?

By golly, they did it:

While Washington lawmakers play procedural games with an out-of-control executive branch, Iraqi legislators are working hard to bring an end to the occupation of their country.

Http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/53230/

The parliament today passed a binding resolution that will guarantee lawmakers an opportunity to block the extension of the UN mandate under which coalition troops now remain in Iraq when it comes up for renewal in December. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, whose cabinet is dominated by Iraqi separatists, may veto the measure.

The law requires that any future extensions of the mandate, which have previously been made by Iraq’s Prime Minister, be approved by the parliament. It is an enormous development; lawmakers reached in Baghdad today said that they do in fact plan on blocking the extension of the coalition’s mandate when it comes up for renewal six months from now.

[snip]

Without the cover of the UN mandate, the continued presence of coalition troops in Iraq would become, in law as in fact, an armed occupation, at which point it would no longer be politically tenable to support it.

[snip]

Lawmakers said that while they likely had enough support to require a timetable for withdrawal as a condition of the mandate’s renewal last year, they were sidelined by al-Maliki when the Prime Minister sent a letter to the UN Security Council requesting an extension without consulting members of parliament. The move outraged lawmakers.

[snip]

Iraq’s government faces a crisis of legitimacy, in large part due to its refusal to demand the withdrawal of U.S. forces long favored by as many as four out of five Iraqis. According to a poll last year by the Project on International Policy Attitudes, 80 percent of Iraqis believe the U.S. plans to maintain permanent military bases in the country and three out of four believe that if their government were to demand a timetable for withdrawal, Washington would ignore it (according to the poll’s authors, that finding was a major driver of the significant support for attacking coalition troops found among all groups of Iraqis).

[snip]

He warned, however, that the more the al-Maliki regime does to sideline the Iraqi parliament, the more Iraqis will be compelled to turn to violent resistance to the occupation. He said: “It will lead to many groups withdrawing from the political process and could only make things even worse.”

Bush’s puppet al-Maliki may try to veto this, but “the people” have finally spoken in Iraq with binding effect, through their elected Parliament: the Democratic Congress ought to JUMP on this news, and proudly join with the vast majority of Iraqis to promptly cede Iraq back to those who inhabit it.

Please pass it on.

LoudounLib @ 14

I didn’t hear much of the SJC this afternoon, but I sooooo loved Leahy smacking Alvin around. Good times!

Well, yes, the smacking around was gratifying, but I want to see indictments for perjury, obstruction of justice, violations of the Hatch Act, etc. I want to see trials where these clowns are put on the witness stand where there are actual criminal penalties at stake. I want to see some of these lying sombiches hauled off to prison in orange suits.

And I especially want to see the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, & Rove) on trial or impeached!

And if you think I’m being impatient, you’re right!

Bob in HI

Dee Loralei @ 112

Oklahoma kiddo @ 107

Fred Thompson will be very formidable. Don’t underestimate this guy.

I agree, but he’s seriously lazy. He’s always seemed more like a political dilletente to me. Ron Paul is the only one who makes any kind of sense. And they were all of them spreading the Libby love tonight, and not one of them seemed to have any inkling about what a treasonous felon that bast*r* is!

It’s hard to imagine someone that lazy surviving the primary and campaign processes – which strike me as somewhat grueling to say the least.

Here is how I feel about the prospects that our nation will survive:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7nmTGaK9VI

Eli @ 141

Dee Loralei @ 139

Does CNN do fact checking? Where’s David Shuster when we need him? Those people are gonna follow us home! Help, help!

The terrorists or the Republicans?

Hahaha I was quoting Rudy from earlier, but it certainly holds true for the Republicans… why do they keep following us home?

TiredFed @ 138

my first reaction to seeing Schlozman – Kyle Sampson with hair. my first reaction hearing his voice – Kyle Sampson on helium. quite grating. like nails on a chalkboard. and what a contrast to Todd Graves, the U.S. Attorney he replaced.

His voice was just like Mo Rocca’s

LS @ 110

Why do the Republicans think that this country has to bomb, kill, nuke entire countries full of innocent men, women, and children in order to dispose of one demonized character that they invent and portray to the American people as the current major threat???? We have to get a handle on that tactic. That is just not right!!

Because they see this stuff as c*ck extenders.

I am no longer worried about what went on yesterday. I am however concerned about tomorrow and most particularly Nov. 2008.

Bob Schacht @ 144

And I especially want to see the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, & Rove) on trial or impeached!

Heh. After one of Dubya’s pissier town hall thingies, I did a Four Horsemen post with War, Death, Famine, and Petulance.

137
Loo Hoo. says:
June 5th, 2007 at 7:03 pm

i heart jane @ 78

ot but kinda cool:

i got a call from a reporter from the NYT asking me about my letter to judge walton wrt scooter . . . just think, my little old hand written letter to the judge is in there with those from the neo-con brain trust and that bastard carville…

haha haha….

So’s mine, though I would have spent more time on it if I knew it was gonna be on the tubes! How did they reach you?

i got a telephone call, the reporter, he got my name out of the book, we chatted about the case for a bit —– of course i mentioned FDL!!!!

And the underestimation begins.

Fern @ 145

It’s hard to imagine someone that lazy surviving the primary and campaign processes – which strike me as somewhat grueling to say the least.

My gut feeling is that if he becomes the frontrunner fairly quickly and stays there, he’ll stay in it. But if he falls back and feels like he’s not getting enough love or traction, he’s gone.

Loo Hoo. @ 149

LS @ 110

Why do the Republicans think that this country has to bomb, kill, nuke entire countries full of innocent men, women, and children in order to dispose of one demonized character that they invent and portray to the American people as the current major threat???? We have to get a handle on that tactic. That is just not right!!

Because they see this stuff as c*ck extenders.

I envision those “light sticks” from Star Wars….Ewwwwwww,,,,spit…chchuuuu Ptuttt

Hahaha petulance, too funny Eli!

RonD @ 124

LooHoo #70,
It was a team effort. dakine was first to say chipmunk. LGabriel was the first to say Alvin. I was the first to apply the name consistently.
It was just SO obvious.

Well, it is perfect!

In Wolfowitz’s letter to Judge Walton he actually had the nerve to say “I appeal to your honor”. The nerve and arrogance of some ot these radical right wing characters is mind boggling.

The letters expose just how some of these individuals are connected at their roots. Let’s hope Walton does some serious root cutting and puts Libby in jail asap.

Loo Hoo. @ 70

I forgot who named him Alvin. Anybody remember?

That person (RonD) gets a thanks from me, along with the one who called him Daffy, the one who called him Jerry Lewis, and the many who in other ways convinced me that after the abrading Monica Goodling gave my eardrums, I just wasn’t ready to listen to Bradley today (though I did catch a couple of quick lowlights through headphones placed several feet away).

And therefore, a big thanks to FDL for all the marvellous liveblogging today. This really is an important phenomenon.

Where are Gilmore, Hunter, Tancredo and TThompson getting their money? Who is supporting these guys, with real money?

Loo Hoo. @ 149

LS @ 110

Why do the Republicans think that this country has to bomb, kill, nuke entire countries full of innocent men, women, and children in order to dispose of one demonized character that they invent and portray to the American people as the current major threat???? We have to get a handle on that tactic. That is just not right!!

Because they see this stuff as c*ck extenders.

LOL Like a Corvette? ; )

kathleen @ 158

In Wolfowitz’s letter to Judge Walton he actually had the nerve to say “I appeal to your honor”. The nerve and arrogance of some ot these radical right wing characters is mind boggling.

The letters expose just how some of these individuals are connected at their roots. Let’s hope Walton does some serious root cutting and puts Libby in jail asap.

It’s amazing, paging through letter after letter almost exactly alike, and then one comes up that doesn’t say “I’ve known Scooter for 20 years,” and I slow down and read it since I know it’ll be good.

Loo Hoo. @ 157

RonD @ 124

LooHoo #70,
It was a team effort. dakine was first to say chipmunk. LGabriel was the first to say Alvin. I was the first to apply the name consistently.
It was just SO obvious.

Well, it is perfect!

Poor guy. Honestly, when he opened his mouth, I almost fell off my chair. Same thing happened when Goodling opened her mouth. Sampson well..similar… What is up with that???? Meanwhile, Rita Cosby is sounding more like them too!!! Higher registry!!! Maybe they just pick people we can’t “stand” to listen to.

Lack of love? He will get the traction. Love… indeed.

kathleen @ 158

In Wolfowitz’s letter to Judge Walton he actually had the nerve to say “I appeal to your honor”. The nerve and arrogance of some ot these radical right wing characters is mind boggling.

The letters expose just how some of these individuals are connected at their roots. Let’s hope Walton does some serious root cutting and puts Libby in jail asap.

Well, if he said “I appeal to Your Honor”, that would probably be okay.

I was struck by how many tree references came to mind today: Aspens, ACORN, and Ginkgo. Are there any trees associated with $90,000 in the freezer? Maybe the ones that money grows on?

Cozumel @ 161

Loo Hoo. @ 149

Because they see this stuff as c*ck extenders.

LOL Like a Corvette? ; )

I used to always say that way back whenever..;)

TeddySanFran @ 162

kathleen @ 158

In Wolfowitz’s letter to Judge Walton he actually had the nerve to say “I appeal to your honor”. The nerve and arrogance of some ot these radical right wing characters is mind boggling.

The letters expose just how some of these individuals are connected at their roots. Let’s hope Walton does some serious root cutting and puts Libby in jail asap.

It’s amazing, paging through letter after letter almost exactly alike, and then one comes up that doesn’t say “I’ve known Scooter for 20 years,” and I slow down and read it since I know it’ll be good.

Tell me, do any of them mention bears?

Reading the MSNBC poll — what is the GOP going to do when all these people show up to vote for Ron Paul? He’s clearly the popular choice among viewers.

Loo Hoo. @ 157

RonD @ 124

LooHoo #70,
It was a team effort. dakine was first to say chipmunk. LGabriel was the first to say Alvin. I was the first to apply the name consistently.
It was just SO obvious.

Well, it is perfect!

It was so obvious, it just came off the fingertips. He started giving his CV and chipmunk voice was the very first thought…

Democrats selling Thompson short. Now that I love.

TeddySanFran @ 160

Where are Gilmore, Hunter, Tancredo and TThompson getting their money? Who is supporting these guys, with real money?

The next debate is in August and I think many of these will have dropped out by then. My question is – where will Fred get his money? Aren’t all the Repug billionaires already committed?

One of my favorite moments was when Leahy told Schlozman that in all his years in the Senate and on the Judiciary Committee he had seen a witness as unprepared as Schlozman. If Schlozman weren’t mindless ideologue that he is, he would have realized he had just received one of the biggest slams a Senator has ever given a witness.

Twain @ 171

TeddySanFran @ 160

Where are Gilmore, Hunter, Tancredo and TThompson getting their money? Who is supporting these guys, with real money?

The next debate is in August and I think many of these will have dropped out by then. My question is – where will Fred get his money? Aren’t all the Repug billionaires already committed?

Really. Who wants to do all the nuking. Repubs want to “nuke” anything that threatens their manhood. Really sick.

Hugh @ 172

One of my favorite moments was when Leahy told Schlozman that in all his years in the Senate and on the Judiciary Committee he had seen a witness as unprepared as Schlozman. If Schlozman weren’t mindless ideologue that he is, he would have realized he had just received one of the biggest slams a Senator has ever given a witness.

There was also the Leahy statement that in 30 years, he’d never had a witness claim to be too busy to appear until the threat of subpoena…

dakine01 @ 174

Hugh @ 172

One of my favorite moments was when Leahy told Schlozman that in all his years in the Senate and on the Judiciary Committee he had seen a witness as unprepared as Schlozman. If Schlozman weren’t mindless ideologue that he is, he would have realized he had just received one of the biggest slams a Senator has ever given a witness.

There was also the Leahy statement that in 30 years, he’d never had a witness claim to be too busy to appear until the threat of subpoena…

Well, he *must* have been busy, ‘cuz he didn’t spend any time preparing.

i heart jane @ 78

ot but kinda cool:

i got a call from a reporter from the NYT asking me about my letter to judge walton wrt scooter . . . just think, my little old hand written letter to the judge is in there with those from the neo-con brain trust and that bastard carville…

haha haha….

Way to go!
I have started a new campaign, to purge James Carville from the Democratic Party. He is a stealth neo-con and has hurt the Democratic party. His wife Mary Matalin is a toxic piece of garbage who likely aided and abetted Libby’s crimes.

Mary Matalin. Senior Advisor to Vice President Dick Cheney (2001-2002)

MATALIN WORKED CLOSELY WITH VICE PRESIDENT DICK CHENEY: Mary Matalin was senior advisor in Vice President Dick Cheney’s office at the time of the leak. While in the White House, she worked closely with Scooter Libby — the Vice President’s chief of staff who was one of Matt Cooper’s sources. [Washington Post, 2/3/01]

MATALIN INTERVIEWED BY THE GRAND JURY: Matalin testified in front of the Grand Jury about the Plame leak on January 21, 2004. [Washington Post, 2/10/04]

MEMBER OF THE WHITE HOUSE IRAQ GROUP: Matlin was a regular participant in the weekly meetings of the Bush Administration’s White House Iraq Group. The main purpose of the group was the systematic coordination of the “marketing” of going to war with Iraq as well as selling the war here at home. One clear example of this fact is that “the escalation of nuclear rhetoric” during the pre-war stage, “including the introduction of the term ‘mushroom cloud’ into the debate, coincided with the formation” of WHIG. The group included the two individual who have been confirmed as leakers, Karl Rove and Lewis Libby. [Washington Post, 8/10/03]

25-30 hours is all. For all the good it did him!

All this crap about Thompson not being a serious candidate reminds of Pat Brown’s campaign against Reagan. I was living in Cali then and voted for Brown. And I fell for the same ‘Reagan is just an actor’ bit. Don’t take this man seriously (Reagan). The Dems said then. The rest as they say… is history. I take all the GOP candidates, those declared and those not, very seriously.

Bears are not specifically mentioned, but his book The Apprentice is mentioned; other writers mention his writing fiction in general. Some people know him as an author, but I’m not sure they’ve actually, y’know, read his work.

The level of errors (not just in Matalin’s) is really extraordinary. Wolfensohn, who headed the World Bank before Wolfowitz, writes “how I now Scooter Libby.” In the first line of his letter. I know I’m a spelling and grammar nitpicker, but there are some doozies.

Eli @ 175

dakine01 @ 174

There was also the Leahy statement that in 30 years, he’d never had a witness claim to be too busy to appear until the threat of subpoena…

Well, he *must* have been busy, ‘cuz he didn’t spend any time preparing.

He CLAIMED thirty to forty hours of prep time iirc.

TeddySanFran @ 179

Wolfensohn, who headed the World Bank before Wolfowitz, writes “how I now Scooter Libby.” In the first line of his letter. I know I’m a spelling and grammar nitpicker, but there are some doozies.

How now, brown… bear.

dakine01 @ 16

. . . I disagree. Leahy is probably putting together the perjury charges on Al-VIN even as we speak. He was so amazed at how stupid Al-VIN was throughout the hearing he was almost speechless. He and Schumer both gave Al-VIN an opportunity to correct and amend the record (and DiFi as well especially for the names of specific names.)

That was my sense, also.

And, I thought it was clear that when Leahy GOT names, he planned to USE them.

So, whoever is in that Public Whatever Unit that BradyBoy kept referring to is gonna get the tap on the shoulder, fo sho!!!

And at this point, doesn’t it seem they have enuff (with today’s GonzoBoffo) info and evidence on record to file impeachment against Gonzo?

And THAT, should turn a few other dark souls over to the light of the SJC folks to do some MORE precision surgery on the vapid tumors of the DOJ and our elected and appointed leaders.

It’s slow, and it’s killin me, but, the closer to it all I get (thanks FDL) and the more I learn about it all, the more it looks like there just might BE hope to restore our republic.

Before BoyKing bombs Iran, enables a domestic bombing of the WORST sort and declares martial law and implements Unitary Executive and cancels elections.

I just can’t get that evil outta my mind . . . . just can’t.

Wish Barry Bonds would jack one into McCovey Cove, I’d feel better then, maybe.

I’m SO torn, I LOVE Tim Duncan, and I really like Lebron James. Toughest non CA NBA Finals I’ve had to choose from in a long time . . . . guess I’ll go with class, heart, perseverance, the quite and grim and thin lipped determination of a 3 Ring Winner and say, Congrats, Mr. Duncan and Your Spurs, on a 4th Ring.

Damn but that Lebron James is something to watch.

He’s so electrifying all over the court it’s frightening.

I truly think he’s got more all round game to fear than Kobe, and Michael . . . . even Michael. Bigger, faster, and perhaps, with this loss, he’ll find that MEAN inside him that Michael had, that made him invincible and unbeatable.

Here’s to FDL, and the NBA Finals.
Both are made of the dreams of do’ers.

What I didn’t get was why did he attempt to throw a career DoJ guy, DonSanto, under the bus. Isn’t that what caused all these other atty’s to start trying to clear their own names? Careless, feckless small minded Bushies, and honestly, just about dumber than fermented mung bean paste.

dakine01 @ 180

He CLAIMED thirty to forty hours of prep time iirc.

Is this one of those billable hours things?

Loo Hoo. @ 177

25-30 hours is all. For all the good it did him!

Yeah, I knew it was a fair amount of time, not as much as gonzo but still, for a competent intelligent atty, it should have been enough.

Like Al-VIN has a clue what a competent intelligent atty is like right?

Hey, is the SJC going to take a crack at Monica? The HJC did a pretty crap job with her, but I think Leahy & Co. would rip her apart.

Suppose that Harriet and Scooter are having a lovely evening with the kids?

The Dodd Squad did a clock for the GOP debate.

Wolf, by a landslide.

Eli @ 175

dakine01 @ 174

There was also the Leahy statement that in 30 years, he’d never had a witness claim to be too busy to appear until the threat of subpoena…

Well, he *must* have been busy, ‘cuz he didn’t spend any time preparing.

This guy testified that he spent 25 -30 hour preparing – and he named who helped him prepare. He parroted what they told him to say. Why? Man, they just don’t care who they throw to the wolves (that would be us).

dakine01 @ 174

There was also the Leahy statement that in 30 years, he’d never had a witness claim to be too busy to appear until the threat of subpoena…

It’s like each wants to do the last in inanity. I expect one of them to show with a bandage around his/her head and do a Monty Pythonesque, “My brain hurts” routine, or maybe just sit there before the committee and drool.

Dee Loralei @ 183

What I didn’t get was why did he attempt to throw a career DoJ guy, DonSanto, under the bus. Isn’t that what caused all these other atty’s to start trying to clear their own names? Careless, feckless small minded Bushies, and honestly, just about dumber than fermented mung bean paste.

I said earlier, I think he was pulling the names outta his a** without thinking about Leahy actually calling them in.

LS @ 189

This guy testified that he spent 25 -30 hour preparing – and he named who helped him prepare. He parroted what they told him to say. Why? Man, they just don’t care who they throw to the wolves (that would be us).

I guess the preparation was to learn how to say “I don’t recall” naturally and convincingly.

Dems. Purge Carville now – he is a spy.

Eli @ 151

Bob Schacht @ 144

And I especially want to see the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse (Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, & Rove) on trial or impeached!

Heh. After one of Dubya’s pissier town hall thingies, I did a Four Horsemen post with War, Death, Famine, and Petulance.

You funny. Explain more about Petulance.

Bob in HI

Eli @ 186

Hey, is the SJC going to take a crack at Monica? The HJC did a pretty crap job with her, but I think Leahy & Co. would rip her apart.

Gold.

I think Alvin’s 25-30 hours of “preparation” consisted of practicing saying “I don’t recall” and “the Public Integrity Section approved it” and, when asked a question he would have to lie about, saying “Senator…” to give him a chance to make up the lie.

C-Span schedule lists todays SJC hearings beginning @ 7:35 pst, but lists them as lasting 1:07…

Bob Schacht @ 194

Eli @ 151

Heh. After one of Dubya’s pissier town hall thingies, I did a Four Horsemen post with War, Death, Famine, and Petulance.

You funny. Explain more about Petulance.

Bob in HI

Does this help?

does anyone have any info on who is in charge of the Public Integrity Section? Is that another Bushie being thrown under the bus, or a career position? Or was that DonSantos gig? And is he still there?

Wonderful news about Scooter. Hopefully he won’t stay out during appeal.
I have to say that regarding ‘I don’t remember’, if any normal person in their day to day life had as bad a memory as all the repugs, they would be diagnosed with altzhimers.

Eli @ 12

kimberly @ 9

I don’t get it. Why do they put up with this shit? Is there NO recourse for such obvious deception? To me, these guys just know that by acting dumb, they will get away with all sorts of illegal dealings, and must snicker amongst themselves over it. It seems tremendously hopeless if all that happens is we call these guys into account, and they get off by feigning ignorance. There MUST be a law against being stupid that they can be charged with!

IANAL, but I would think that claiming not to recall facts or events that it is implausible for you to forget would be a form of perjury.

“I don’t recall” is just as much of a lie as misrepresenting what you recalled.

I don’t know of a single instance that it hasn’t worked. That’s why they say it.

I got a drink of water five minutes ago but ‘I don’t recall’ doing it for example. Prove it, you can’t ; )

dakine01 @ 191

Dee Loralei @ 183

What I didn’t get was why did he attempt to throw a career DoJ guy, DonSanto, under the bus. Isn’t that what caused all these other atty’s to start trying to clear their own names? Careless, feckless small minded Bushies, and honestly, just about dumber than fermented mung bean paste.

I said earlier, I think he was pulling the names outta his a** without thinking about Leahy actually calling them in.

This is from TPM Muckraker with a memo that has Iglesias and Al-VIN with different views of Donsanto and the voting thing

sorry, OT, but this is a beautiful two paras from dana millbank today:

The moot court thus complete, it was time for the main event. Fitzgerald, true to form, made his argument in eight succinct minutes. “Truth matters above all else in the judicial system,” he argued. “One’s station in life does not matter.”

Wells, also true to form, gave a 34-minute, discursive argument. “It’s entirely appropriate for a sentencing judge to take into consideration the good works and the good deeds that a person has done,” he argued, distinguishing his client from all those people “from privileged backgrounds who do squat.” Wells, reading from some of the more than 150 testimonials, outlined Libby’s triumphs, from Boris Yeltsin to Project Bioshield. Along the way, Libby was described as an “island of virtue.”

island of virtue, yeah, I like that …

Dee Loralei @ 199

does anyone have any info on who is in charge of the Public Integrity Section? Is that another Bushie being thrown under the bus, or a career position? Or was that DonSantos gig? And is he still there?

Donsanto is in charge of the Election Crimes division.

Another one of Alvin’s statements was that experience wasn’t necessary to be a US attorney. I can only assume he had never met the US attorney he replaced.

Eli @ 204

Dee Loralei @ 199

does anyone have any info on who is in charge of the Public Integrity Section? Is that another Bushie being thrown under the bus, or a career position? Or was that DonSantos gig? And is he still there?

Donsanto is in charge of the Election Crimes division.

Public integrity or some such.

lee5 @ 203

Along the way, Libby was described as an “island of virtue.”

That’s certainly an interesting choice of words. Can’t imagine Dubya or Cheney or Rove are super-thrilled with it…

i heart jane @ 78

ot but kinda cool:

i got a call from a reporter from the NYT asking me about my letter to judge walton wrt scooter . . . just think, my little old hand written letter to the judge is in there with those from the neo-con brain trust and that bastard carville…

haha haha….

Meant to say congrats.

Hugh @ 205

Another one of Alvin’s statements was that experience wasn’t necessary to be a US attorney. I can only assume he had never met the US attorney he replaced.

Graves said he had met Al-VIN but that he was pretty much unknown in MO legal circles. As part of his CV, Graves listed ahving been an elected prosecutor and active in MO legal. His snark down of Al-VIN was “he has some HS level contacts in Missouruh.”

AP – President Bush drew sporadic, startling criticism Tuesday night from Republican White House hopefuls unhappy with his handling of the Iraq war, his diplomatic style and his approach to immigration.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 210

AP – President Bush drew sporadic, startling criticism Tuesday night from Republican White House hopefuls unhappy with his handling of the Iraq war, his diplomatic style and his approach to immigration.

“Dude! You’re spoiling it for the rest of us!”

Hugh @ 205

Another one of Alvin’s statements was that experience wasn’t necessary to be a US attorney. I can only assume he had never met the US attorney he replaced.

Hey Alvin, I’m looking for a post-retirement job. Can I apply for USA? I’ve got absolutely NO experience.

And Fearless Fred rides in to save the GOP, the country and the world. In that order.

I just watched a brief clip at TPMuckraker of Schumer grilling Alvin on the Donsanto-told-me-to-do-it matter. (First time I heard Alvin’s voice–it was everything it was promised to be). Schumer said, “So if we call him to testify, he will say absolutely, with no reservations, that he authorized you to do it” [file voter fraud charges shortly before an election contrary to DOJ written policy], or words to that effect. And Alvin squeaked, “That is correct.”

From the way Schumer said it, and from the hawkish look on his face, I suspect that some SJC staffer has already interviewed Donsanto and obtained testimony to the contrary.

LoudounLib @ 212

Hugh @ 205

Another one of Alvin’s statements was that experience wasn’t necessary to be a US attorney. I can only assume he had never met the US attorney he replaced.

Hey Alvin, I’m looking for a post-retirement job. Can I apply for USA? I’ve got absolutely NO experience.

Well, that depends. Do you belong to the Heritage Foundation and/or The Federalist Society?

Regarding all the memory loss and cluelessness of the Bushies Administration… I’ve got a little proposal I think we ought to send to Congress…

neurophius @ 214

I just watched a brief clip at TPMuckraker of Schumer grilling Alvin on the Donsanto-told-me-to-do-it matter. (First time I heard Alvin’s voice–it was everything it was promised to be). Schumer said, “So if we call him to testify, he will say absolutely, with no reservations, that he authorized you to do it” [file voter fraud charges shortly before an election contrary to DOJ written policy], or words to that effect. And Alvin squeaked, “That is correct.”

From the way Schumer said it, and from the hawkish look on his face, I suspect that some SJC staffer has already interviewed Donsanto and obtained testimony to the contrary.

The way they were asking the questions it was like they have about a dozen charges of perjury all ready to go on the boy. And from the looks of how he was wringing his hands and stammering, I think he knew it too.

On the Libby letters a whole lot of them use the word “inconsistent” in one of the concluding paragraphs. It happens too often I think to be chance. I wonder how much coaching and direction went on. So far almost all of the pro-Libby letters come from present and former colleagues, many lawyers and government officials. There have been few or none that represent ordinary Americans.

neurophius @ 214

I just watched a brief clip at TPMuckraker of Schumer grilling Alvin on the Donsanto-told-me-to-do-it matter. (First time I heard Alvin’s voice–it was everything it was promised to be). Schumer said, “So if we call him to testify, he will say absolutely, with no reservations, that he authorized you to do it” [file voter fraud charges shortly before an election contrary to DOJ written policy], or words to that effect. And Alvin squeaked, “That is correct.”

From the way Schumer said it, and from the hawkish look on his face, I suspect that some SJC staffer has already interviewed Donsanto and obtained testimony to the contrary.

Sure hope so!

My party had better start getting the ‘in your face’ attitude with the Republicans. You know, in a polite sort of way. All the while stickin’ it to ‘em. ;0)

Hugh @ 218

On the Libby letters a whole lot of them use the word “inconsistent” in one of the concluding paragraphs. It happens too often I think to be chance. I wonder how much coaching and direction went on. So far almost all of the pro-Libby letters come from present and former colleagues, many lawyers and government officials. There have been few or none that represent ordinary Americans.

Ordinary Americans understand treason when they see it!

boing back dive, half twist, straight position (no splash)

g’evening all.

Hugh @ 218

On the Libby letters a whole lot of them use the word “inconsistent” in one of the concluding paragraphs. It happens too often I think to be chance. I wonder how much coaching and direction went on. So far almost all of the pro-Libby letters come from present and former colleagues, many lawyers and government officials. There have been few or none that represent ordinary Americans.

From my quick scan, I think all the pro-Libby letters had a connection to him of some sort. Closest to “average” American would be a couple of guys who played touch football with him on Saturdays.

Cozumel @ 215

Well, that depends. Do you belong to the Heritage Foundation and/or The Federalist Society?

;-)

Hugh @ 218

On the Libby letters a whole lot of them use the word “inconsistent” in one of the concluding paragraphs. It happens too often I think to be chance. I wonder how much coaching and direction went on. So far almost all of the pro-Libby letters come from present and former colleagues, many lawyers and government officials. There have been few or none that represent ordinary Americans.

I wonder if any supportive letters came from current or former DOJ employees.

“Scooter Libby is a man of tremendous integrity and honesty; however, I cannot recall any specific examples at this time.”

Hugh @ 218

On the Libby letters a whole lot of them use the word “inconsistent” in one of the concluding paragraphs. It happens too often I think to be chance. I wonder how much coaching and direction went on. So far almost all of the pro-Libby letters come from present and former colleagues, many lawyers and government officials. There have been few or none that represent ordinary Americans.

I don’t imagine he’s acquainted with too many ordinary Americans.

Democrats. This is serious business. We are not going to coast to victory in 2008. Define yourselves, Dems.

evenin’ Suzanne

Fern @ 226

I don’t imagine he’s acquainted with too many ordinary Americans.

Or bears.

Saw your letter Suzanne. Ya done good.

Listening to the DoJ Marionettes jestimony, I can’t help but recall a childhood incident attributed to Yogi Berra.

His teacher asked him a question to which he responded, “I don’t know.” She was slightly miffed and asked him an easier question, to which he replied, “I don’t know.” The angry teacher hurled a blatantly simple question at l’il Yogi, to which, once again he replied, “I don’t know.”

Incensed she asked him if there was anything that he knew.

He responded, “I don’t even suspect anything.”

dakine01 @ 230

Saw your letter Suzanne. Ya done good.

I’ve been trying to remember if I wrote one or not – its been kinda hectic with selling. Do you have a link to it – might not be the same Suzanne.

Oilfieldguy @ 231

Listening to the DoJ Marionettes jestimony, I can’t help but recall a childhood incident attributed to Yogi Berra.

His teacher asked him a question to which he responded, “I don’t know.” She was slightly miffed and asked him an easier question, to which he replied, “I don’t know.” The angry teacher hurled a blatantly simple question at l’il Yogi, to which, once again he replied, “I don’t know.”

Incensed she asked him if there was anything that he knew.

He responded, “I don’t even suspect anything.”

Maybe Alvin doesn’t even suspect he is a laughingstock.

Oilfieldguy @ 231

Listening to the DoJ Marionettes jestimony, I can’t help but recall a childhood incident attributed to Yogi Berra.

His teacher asked him a question to which he responded, “I don’t know.” She was slightly miffed and asked him an easier question, to which he replied, “I don’t know.” The angry teacher hurled a blatantly simple question at l’il Yogi, to which, once again he replied, “I don’t know.”

Incensed she asked him if there was anything that he knew.

He responded, “I don’t even suspect anything.”

Why do I think that’s from a Joe Garagiola story?

Suzanne @ 222

boing back dive, half twist, straight position (no splash)

g’evening all.

Evening Suzanne, you missed my triple Lindy earlier today.

Democrats. Do not let the Republicans do what they are attempting to do. That is, distance themselves from their president.

Eli @ 229

Fern @ 226

I don’t imagine he’s acquainted with too many ordinary Americans.

Or bears.

That too. You know, I had mercifully forgotten about it!

I think it’s about time for Dubya to tell us again how much confidence he has in what a great job Gonzo is doing.

Would that mean that he would finally pull a Rummy and GO THE HELL AWAY?

Please.

::saunters back to read the comments::

Suzanne @ 232

dakine01 @ 230

Saw your letter Suzanne. Ya done good.

I’ve been trying to remember if I wrote one or not – its been kinda hectic with selling. Do you have a link to it – might not be the same Suzanne.

You would have to ask that. A couple of threads down, TeddySF had a cooment 116 with a link to Smoking gun who had a HUGE pdf file of them all. Or TalkLeft has four smaller files linked. They’re in alpha order for the most part.

No splash??

Eli @ 225

I wonder if any supportive letters came from current or former DOJ employees.

“Scooter Libby is a man of tremendous integrity and honesty; however, I cannot recall any specific examples at this time.”

LOL Probably unsigned as well since they had forgotten their names.

The complete hearings on the hiring of firing of U.S. attorneys.

Leahy looks like the god I used to imagine sitting in Catholic religion classes. Leahy “This administration keeps stonewalling and continues to have failures of memory over and over again’

http://12.170.145.161/search/b…..ext=firing

Yoke the Republicans with Bush and Iraq. A winning strategy.

Hugh @ 218

On the Libby letters a whole lot of them use the word “inconsistent” in one of the concluding paragraphs. It happens too often I think to be chance. I wonder how much coaching and direction went on. So far almost all of the pro-Libby letters come from present and former colleagues, many lawyers and government officials. There have been few or none that represent ordinary Americans.

They really “bulked up” within families as well, which I can only imagine pissed off Reggie. Lots of husbands and wives writing separate letters, and dads and kids, and parents-in-law. Very unwise, especially when alphabetized. Entirely too many, very similar, from the firm Irve worked for that starts with D.

dakine01 @ 239

Suzanne @ 232

I’ve been trying to remember if I wrote one or not – its been kinda hectic with selling. Do you have a link to it – might not be the same Suzanne.

You would have to ask that. A couple of threads down, TeddySF had a cooment 116 with a link to Smoking gun who had a HUGE pdf file of them all. Or TalkLeft has four smaller files linked. They’re in alpha order for the most part.

There was a “Susan” (I think that was the spelling) that mentioned ‘firedoglake’. It’s in the last batch. PDF 4

Many have thought sports writers were taking liberties with Mr. Berra’s speaking patterns, and in true Berra fashion he agreed.

“I don’t think I said half the things I said.”

Eli @ 225

Hugh @ 218

On the Libby letters a whole lot of them use the word “inconsistent” in one of the concluding paragraphs. It happens too often I think to be chance. I wonder how much coaching and direction went on. So far almost all of the pro-Libby letters come from present and former colleagues, many lawyers and government officials. There have been few or none that represent ordinary Americans.

I wonder if any supportive letters came from current or former DOJ employees.

“Scooter Libby is a man of tremendous integrity and honesty; however, I cannot recall any specific examples at this time.”

I was shocked to read a letter from a former CIA officer. But there was an Irve connection somehow.

Teddy, I noticed that too in the PDF. Thought I was seeing duplicate letters from the same person at first.

Here, Suzanne. There’s a tab on the left that makes it faster to navigate.

http://www.salon.com/news/prim…..=whitelist

Just got in, so haven’t read the comments, but I suppose somebody has already made the observation that inhaling helium before you testify appears to diminish memory…

OFG, I did a triple lindy one Saturday nite. Tis a diving wonder, it is :)

Oklahoma kiddo @ 236

Democrats. Do not let the Republicans do what they are attempting to do. That is, distance themselves from their president.

The Republicans failed the American people by letting this administration “run wild” by abandoning congressional oversight.

I don’t think the American people are going to forget that they were more concerned about lies under oath about a b/j than a WMD SNOWJOB that has resulted in millions of Iraqi deaths, millions of refugees, 3400 dead American soldiers, 50,ooo Americans injured and a hell on earth for the Iraqi people.

I heard AL-VIN a few months ago on NPR (New Pravda Radio) during a commute. Damned near drove off the road. Worst example yet of the neocon undescended testicle syndrome. Lots of other stuff strangulated, too.
Hey Jane, if you are suffering from chemo-brain, I want some of those drugs. Triple sec, mordantly funny, sharp as Ginsu knife, unerringly on target. Love it.

I never did wade into the pdf files. I just perused the ones posted over at the smoking gun. I did a post about it and was ready to “unpack” some of the letters, y’know, to mock them, but I couldn’t cut and paste from them. Bummer.

Cozumel @ 245

dakine01 @ 239

You would have to ask that. A couple of threads down, TeddySF had a cooment 116 with a link to Smoking gun who had a HUGE pdf file of them all. Or TalkLeft has four smaller files linked. They’re in alpha order for the most part.

There was a “Susan” (I think that was the spelling) that mentioned ‘firedoglake’. It’s in the last batch. PDF 4

Actually it was a Suzanne XXXXXX under John Rogers and above Wm Rope who stated she’d followed the trial closely at FireDogLake.com

We have to start tying the Republican Presidential Candidates to “sorry vomit” Scooter Libby the GREAT “Author” For example by Pardoning Scooter Libby is President Bush CONDONING BEASTIALITY? Just what does a Pardon for Scooter say about the party of “cough ” family values before an election year? I mean what republican voter would vote for ANY any Republican Presidential Candidate who would let their kid read Scooter’s book? How can Republicans pardon a pornographer? Why isn’t the Press asking about Scooters Bear Problem I thought Sex and politics was Tweety’s issue?

Is Alvin a pocket Attorney?

TeddySanFran @ 244

Hugh @ 218

On the Libby letters a whole lot of them use the word “inconsistent” in one of the concluding paragraphs. It happens too often I think to be chance. I wonder how much coaching and direction went on. So far almost all of the pro-Libby letters come from present and former colleagues, many lawyers and government officials. There have been few or none that represent ordinary Americans.

They really “bulked up” within families as well, which I can only imagine pissed off Reggie. Lots of husbands and wives writing separate letters, and dads and kids, and parents-in-law. Very unwise, especially when alphabetized. Entirely too many, very similar, from the firm Irve worked for that starts with D.

Yeah Boris and Natsha and Cruella and Wormtongue were the only dual signings that I can recall.

Schlozmann just started talking his voice is almost as bad as Goodlings. At first I thought something was wrong with the tape!

What an incredibly arrogant person, he keeps going on and on about his accomplishments.

Remember this: the American people gave Bush the popular vote the second time around.

TeddySanFran @ 247

Eli @ 225

I wonder if any supportive letters came from current or former DOJ employees.

“Scooter Libby is a man of tremendous integrity and honesty; however, I cannot recall any specific examples at this time.”

I was shocked to read a letter from a former CIA officer. But there was an Irve connection somehow.

Woolcutt I believe was DCI overlapping Bush I and Clinton. Now a partner at Papa Booz

Hypatia @ 253

I heard AL-VIN a few months ago on NPR (New Pravda Radio) during a commute. Damned near drove off the road. Worst example yet of the neocon undescended testicle syndrome. Lots of other stuff strangulated, too.
Hey Jane, if you are suffering from chemo-brain, I want some of those drugs. Triple sec, mordantly funny, sharp as Ginsu knife, unerringly on target. Love it.

What about Ramesh?

Late Nite is up with PW guesthosting tonight

Why don’t y’all climb upstairs for a new thread…

kathleen @ 259

Schlozmann just started talking his voice is almost as bad as Goodlings. At first I thought something was wrong with the tape!

What an incredibly arrogant person, he keeps going on and on about his accomplishments.

But…but…he’s amazing! (snark)

Oilfieldguy @ 246

Many have thought sports writers were taking liberties with Mr. Berra’s speaking patterns, and in true Berra fashion he agreed.

“I don’t think I said half the things I said.”

Garagiola built a large part of his career on being Yogi’s childhood friend growing up in St Louis.

things come undone @ 256

We have to start tying the Republican Presidential Candidates to “sorry vomit” Scooter Libby the GREAT “Author” For example by Pardoning Scooter Libby is President Bush CONDONING BEASTIALITY? Just what does a Pardon for Scooter say about the party of “cough ” family values before an election year? I mean what republican voter would vote for ANY any Republican Presidential Candidate who would let their kid read Scooter’s book? How can Republicans pardon a pornographer? Why isn’t the Press asking about Scooters Bear Problem I thought Sex and politics was Tweety’s issue?

Exactly. This is like the anti-gay/lesbian thing with Cheney’s daughter out. It’s a cult and they don’t see how they are being victimized.

Schlozmann, the Napoleonic pocket Attorney.

Hey there Eli, great post!

Re memory loss: Now I know why the Great 10 GOP candidates are worshipping at the Reagan altar…they know they’ll need to channel his alzheimer’s as they “forget” their way to fascism.

dakine01 @ 258

Yeah Boris and Natsha and Cruella and Wormtongue were the only dual signings that I can recall.

There was also a couple in Indianapolis and one who knew him through their children.

sporkovat @ 43

Kimberly @ 9

I don’t get it. Why do they put up with this shit?

They are the heels in the fake sport of two party politics!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel_(professional_wrestling)

their apalling arrogance and blatant rulebreaking get get the audience all riled up so they keep coming back and rooting for the face wrestler to deliver their come-uppance!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_(professional_wrestling)

however, maybe, just maybe, the whole sport is fake, and is designed to keep the voters coming back for more of the same from the (D) Team and the (R) Team, and preventing anyone thinking that the two wrasslers have more in common with each other, and all the commotion is just a lot of kabuki. just sayin…

http://www.salon.com/comics/to…..index.html

Wrasslin and kabuki, in the same analysis of our political system at work.

That’s Piled Higher N Deeper Material, it’s Masterful, and it’s grand . . . . dang I wish I had said that . . ;-)

TeddySanFran @ 55

Fern:

Or there is something else the President has not confirmed that is even uglier and that nobody wants to talk about.

That’s where my bet’s placed.

Anyone missen any neighbors, suddenly?
Black helicopters, silent, landing?
;-)

Hoss, I think yer on it . . . all kidding aside. Pure fuckery at hand.

TeddySanFran @ 62

Something like spying on your political opponents? Wiretapping journalists? Blackmailing lawmakers with the peccadillos of loved ones?

All of the above?

Are you old enuff to be a WaterGate Survivor?

Cuz that stuff’s ALL old school!!! ;-)

Too funny . . . . . . . .

But, what’s WORSE than that stuff? That’s been DONE. And there’s evidence to be unveiled . . . hmmmmm . . . .

Who’s George been doin, and who’s LAURA been doin, he spied on? Two marital spats, two extra marital affairs, and one Prez launching a tax payer paid investigation into his own old lady? Maybe she was gettin it on IN the White House, with a woman?

BLUE DRESS!BLUE DRESS!BLUE DRESS!BLUE DRESS!
BLUE DRESS!BLUE DRESS!BLUE DRESS!BLUE DRESS!

dakine01 @ 64

Loo Hoo. @ 54

What has Donsanto done to piss off this administration?

Not sure he’s done anything. I think Al-VIN was just pulling a name outta his a** to try to cover what he did on his own withoug thinking things all the way through.

Alvin had his chip MONKED today, and that one moment, was like the others, when he finally had to NAME NAMES!

He caved, big. Broke like a cheap bronc. He’s under the bus. He’ll get Scootered soon.

radiofreewill @ 65

Schlozman is more a political operative than a lawyer – just like Kyle – and Monica, come to think of it.

Is the Public Integrity Section populated by loyalty goons, too?

If Donsanto has been at DoJ since ‘70, and wrote the now famous Red Book – why would he ‘green light’ pre-election Indictments – counter to his own written policy?

Let’s get Donsanto in front of the SJC!

I’d feel confident he and the whole PIS are gonna get Senatorial Invitations To Chat . . . along with the other names Alvin *coughedcoughed* up in between the IDK’s.

*GRIN*

TeddySanFran @ 73

. . .
This is something I don’t understand about these hearings. Staffers should know that BS is gonna name Donsanto; Donsanto should be cued up to testify immediately after BS. Why are these hearings so disjointed, weeks between each?

Hoss, love yer posts, but I don’t think the Dem’s are much smarter than the Pub’s at ANY of this . . . I don’t think STAFFERS have vision, on EITHER side of the aisle, they are just there for the bucks, the experience, and maybe some perverse self stroking that they are in the halls of power.

Jaded? Yep, I SURE as hayall am. They’re all guilty.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 107

Fred Thompson will be very formidable. Don’t underestimate this guy.

Agreed. He’s All Reagan Cowboy that BoyChimp ain’t.

He’ll clean up anything right of left side of center (remember Center is buried deep in the right).

Bluehairs, old farts, midwest, states rights folks, gun owners, RUGGED INDIVIDUALISTS ON WELFARE!

Bad news, indeed . . . . . . he’s head and heels above ANY of the other Pub Candi dater’s. Read some East Coast and Southern Based music blogs . . . bluegrassrules.com for instance . . . on the PORCH side, where they talk politics.

solai @ 109

Fred’s a playboy. They keep hinting that he didn’t like the long hours of the Senate. What they will say outright 6 mos from now is that he’s a lazy good-time charlie.
Or, maybe not. Repubs do seem to like lazy good-time charlies.

He’s the dude on the white horse chasin all the injun’s away and savin the white women from a horrible death.

It’s already branded into teh boneheaded masses . . he’s the Savior. He’s already been anointed and crowned. He will own the south, the midwest, many parts of the red east and he’ll swing the wilderness votes of Alaska, Colorado, Montana, Minnesota and where EVER real men build real things with their own hands and women swoon upon it.

Only question left is can someone beat him in the National Election . . Hilary can’t.

kdh22 @ 113

Eli @ 96

You can’t mention the Bay City Rollers without this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhdwvx_qcAg

Ok, I clicked, and followed some other links.
I Only Want To Be With You was a Brit Invasion hit.
Dusty Springfield, I think.

Who ARE these pomp haired sissy pop rockers?

I’ve never heard of them.

Right Coast Phenom’s?

Bar Band In Jersey?

Oklahoma kiddo @ 116

The Dems said don’t worry about Ronnie and Arnie too.

Apache, yer on it. *GRIN*

We is our own worstest enemy . . . word.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 131

Has anyone noticed that Republican actors have a way of beating the Democrats?

Please tell me that Ferdy T has NOT been Prez of SAG?
PLEASE?

I can’t take another fall from grace, after what Ray Gun did to CA and then to our nation . . . .

I only got about 20-30 years max left on this rock, I’d sure like to see some flowers, smiles, and nubile humans goin at it for lust and love instead of the jive killin we are at.

My old lady’s gonna KILL me for postin shit like this, but I’m in her ear for movin to HER Nova Scotia . . . we can snuggle bunny under thick down all winter long with NO worries of Black Hawk Bastids . . ;-)

things come undone @ 135

The Republicans risk their reputation for competence and honesty by saying I don’t recall in almost daily hearings. They risk their law and order Reputation by defending Scooter. Yesterday we talked about Republicans turning on each other today they seem intent on ERASING everything they “cough” claimed to stand for. I’m wondering if the latest batch of “Cool Aid ” we joke about the Right wingers drinking was Jim Jones cool aid?

Ya see, the only few any of that matters are THE FEW.

The rest of our republic is solid down with Repub Rule.
Solid down.

They are formidable, and will continue to be so.

I don’t mind saying, they are evil, and a threat to MY survival. It’s time to fish or cut bait.

No gloves, brother against brother, sister against sister.

Pick a side, or lose yer place in yer life.

Put up, or shut up.

Or move to Canada. They are MUCH nicer to each other up there, much more tolerant to ALL sorts of folks (cept for Montreal region), and they LIKE BEER AND MUSIC!

TeddySanFran @ 168

Reading the MSNBC poll — what is the GOP going to do when all these people show up to vote for Ron Paul? He’s clearly the popular choice among viewers.

I guess I’m behind something, cuz this is the FIRST I’ve heard about Pub’s or ANYONE gonna be showing up for Ron Paul . . . . is he winning some polls or something>

How’s he look in Iowa, or CA, or any of the primary pollings?

It’s SO early still . . . .

Oklahoma kiddo @ 178

All this crap about Thompson not being a serious candidate reminds of Pat Brown’s campaign against Reagan. I was living in Cali then and voted for Brown. And I fell for the same ‘Reagan is just an actor’ bit. Don’t take this man seriously (Reagan). The Dems said then. The rest as they say… is history. I take all the GOP candidates, those declared and those not, very seriously.

RFO hoss, it’s where it all started coming unraveled AFAIC.

Eli @ 198

Bob Schacht @ 194

You funny. Explain more about Petulance.

Bob in HI

Does this help?

A yes, I see. Explains everything.
Well, I suppose it would be easy to fetch up some file footage of Dick Cheney blathering some foolishness about War. And some footage of Rumsfeld uttering some banality about people dying in Iraq. But who for Famine?

Ah, but this is idle speculation in EPU-ville.

Bob in HI