Bob Novak's op-ed today fits the "favor to someone" category of Novakula's writing pantheon, such as it is. Someone called in a favor and Novak was happy to oblige for a price for the good of decent Republican values everywhere. The idiotic notion that Doan was "taken by surprise" at questions regarding the political briefing that Rove's WH shop gave to her agency's political appointees regarding, as Doan herself said, "helping our candidates" is ludicrous on its face, given that blogs on both sides of the political aisle and print reporters all over DC had been writing about this very question prior to her testimony. Either Ms. Doan and her staffers had their heads way too far in the sand while they prepped for the hearing, or Novak is lying outright. You choose.
But leaving aside yet another example of Novak's lying outright with a straight face when it suits him convenient memory lapse syndrome, this struck me as quite an interesting contrast with something else in the news today. First, let us read a bit of Novak, shall we?
Doan was taken by surprise that day to find Waxman concentrating instead on a Jan. 26 political briefing about the 2006 elections by Scott Jennings, deputy White House political director, to 30 GSA political appointees — including Administrator Doan. Such briefings were delivered by Jennings throughout the federal government and are not viewed by the White House as violating the 1939 Hatch Act. Waxman fixed on this question said to have been asked by Doan at the briefing: "How can we help our candidates?"
That resulted in the Office of the Special Counsel (OSC), which tracks Hatch Act violations, saying it could "imagine no greater violation of the Hatch Act than to invoke the machinery of an agency . . . in the service of a partisan campaign to retake the Congress and the governors' mansions."
But the Jan. 26 meeting targeted no candidate for support, solicited no GSA employee for political activity and resulted in no follow-up. Doan's question actually was addressed to Jennings. "The harsh penalties under the Hatch Act for a brief slip-up are unwarranted," a congressional Republican source close to the situation told me. "Doan's resignation is a punishment that does not fit the crime."…
Waxman has made no secret of his intent to hound the Bush administration whenever possible, with emphasis on nailing presidential adviser Karl Rove. Bloch's motives are more complicated. He has survived a ferocious left-wing assault (accusing him of being anti-gay), which the White House not only failed to resist but quietly supported. It is payback time for Bloch, to burnish the OSC's reputation and maybe to get even.
The White House has done no more to help Doan than it did for Bloch. One congressional Republican asked a senior White House aide why. The response, he said, amounted to this: This is a very tough time for us when we are preoccupied trying to save Alberto Gonzales, and Doan will just have to save herself.
When I asked Rep. Davis, he replied: "The bottom line is the administration has really not shown any willingness to stand up for her like they have for Gonzales, when what she has done is not nearly so egregious." She will at least have Davis on her side when she faces the committee June 13. Having one friend in Washington is better than having none.
And there you have a typical Novak puffer: methinks this was a favor piece to Davis, who comes out portrayed as the always-decent and loyal knight in shining armor for Doan, in the face of great White House indifference to the plight of la damsel in distress. Bloch and Waxman, the two knaves who have the audacity to raise questions about public officials having to actually follow long-established rules and regs.
Bloch gets the special Novak knife-twisting treatment as a self-interested, payback wielding jerk who doesn't care if poor Doan is a casualty in his WH revenge plot involving an entire Congressional committee, multiple employees at the GSA and WH, and a GSA head who was paranoid about the Committee getting their hands on her fingerprints. President Bush, on the other hand — a man whose tenure has been previously and repeatedly characterized by the Wurlitzer's mythmakers and character spinners as built on a foundation of the strongest loyalty to his pals — comes out smelling as an opportunistic coward, more interested in saving his own rear end and that of the folks who are covering it than staying loyal when a poor damsel needs a friend. Of course, Novak conveniently fails to mention that the slides involved in this particular political shop presentation detailed numerous GOP candidates, their districts, and all sorts of other politically useful information…just in case those in attendance wanted to "help our candidates," they would have known exactly who needed the most help. Convenient. Does that about cover it?
But what, you may ask, is the contrast?
"I did have a choice to go to a pay jail," Hilton said Sunday, without giving details. "But I declined because I feel like the media portrays me in a way that I'm not and that's why I wanted to go to county, to show that I can do it and I'm going to be treated like everyone else. I'm going to do the time, I'm going to do it the right way."…
"She told me it was very emotional," Mintz said. "She also said that she feels this will be a time when Paris will be able to think and reflect and to spend time alone to learn from the experience because in Paris' life she's never alone — there's always a constant chatter around her."
Officers arrested Hilton in Hollywood on Sept. 7. In January, she pleaded no contest to the reckless-driving charge and was sentenced to 36 months' probation, alcohol education and $1,500 in fines.
What does it say when Paris Hilton sounds more adult than the Republican catfight crowd? Paris Hilton comes across as having accepted responsibility for wrongdoing, she has entered a plea to a criminal charge, and acknowledged the need to pay the penalty for her own actions in accordance with the laws as they apply to everyone else. Sure, it may be PR spin, but at least it is the right sort.
Novak's piece says the following: "Doan may have violated the law, but not as much as other Republicans like Alberto Gonzales have, so since he gets Administration support and a pass from them on his conduct, she should, too. And anyone who doesn't think so is a meanie." This is the best that the GOP spin machine can do — we ought to get a pass for misconduct because other people have done worse, and besides who knew I had to follow the law in the first place? Jeebus, I didn't accept that at a probation violation hearing when I was prosecuting, why on earth should the American public accept that from public officials?
That is just pathetic. Ms. Doan will be back before Henry Waxman's government oversight committee for additional testimony on June 7 UPDATE: Hearing has been rescheduled to June 13th. (H/T to pseudonymous in nc for the find on this.) No word, as yet, whether Waxman's committee has received the requested e-mails from Scott Jennings, Karl Rove and others regarding the Powerpoint presentation that the RNC has been holding back from their servers.
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Good morning, everyone. Another scorcher here!
Good morning Christy!
please forgive me for this OT note
but for people like me who didn’t see the debate last night, the debate is up on CSPAN 1
JUSTICE!
proofread: Scott Jennings, not Jenkins.
The Republican Party is just chock full of innocents and victims and awe-shucks good folks who keep getting tripped up by the terrible political machinery in Washington and getting vilified by the vile and corrupt media.
Leave them alone.
-GSD
Speaking of scorchers, our A/C was broken this morning on the 4th floor! Yiiiaaaeeeh! Fortunately, it has been repaired but it will take all day, I am sure, for the building to cool off.
Is this really an either/or choice? Can’t both be true? I just assume that Novak is lying about everything and I think that the GSA people really did have their heads in the sand. Either that or the GSA folks are just too damn stupid to be in government. And let me tell you – that’s pretty damn stupid.
And Lurita’s getting an additional week to stew: hearing rescheduled for June 13th.
Mandrake @ 6
I feel for ya. I just know when we run out of oil, I’m going to miss air conditioning the most.
pseud at 4 — Thanks — got it.
novak NOT lyin’?
WHEN?
WHERE?
not enuf caffeine here yet.
HATE it when i miss this good stuff…
Good morning all.
Christy, heard you on Sam Seder’s show yesterday. Great talk! And good post this morning.
Ah, when Paris Hilton can give lessons in responsibility …. hmmmm …. anyone seen the weather forecast for the underworld this week?
If Lorna Doone Cookies broke the Hatch Act, then didn’t Jennings as well? When will he and others who gave powerpoint presentations be hauled before the committee? It seems obvious that they are willing to sacrifice Doan, who isn’t the brightest bulb in their pack anyway, in order to be done with this and protect others who were involved.
Great post Christy. And it is distressing to say the least when Paris comes across as the adult…
Please forgive this OT, but for fans of literate sports writing, Mark Harris has died. He wrote the book, Bang The Drum Slowly which was made into a movie starring Michael Moriarty and Robert DeNiro (before he became ROBERT DENIRO).
dakine01 @ 14
Thank you. I loved his books. Was a huge baseball fan in my youth.
Oh. My. WTF is going on between Novak and Davis?
Remember the recent bit Novak wrote about Ralston and immunity — included a bit on the Waxman investigation into GSA — and a tidbit via Davis?
Is Davis Novakula’s new BFF? or is Davis Rove’s new meatpuppet?
Is Davis Novak’s Congressman?
-GSD
Oh yeah. Wait for the ‘Democrats are attacking Lurita Doan because she is black’ line of defense coming to a t.v. screen near you very soon.
-GSD
GSD at 18 — I think I’ve already heard that one, coupled with the “Dems are attacking Gonzales because he is a latino.” Yeah, Dems are such the exclusive party…SIGH.
‘Oh. My. WTF is going on between Novak and Davis?’
Reach-arounds???
Maybe the White House had a mix-up with the teams who prepped Gonzales and Doan. That would explain their inability to remember anything. Like: what are these questions, I work at the GSA, Gonzo thinks, somewhat confused by the questions. Doan thought she was AG, lost in her own world while meetings went on around her. Kind of like Freaky Friday.
GSD @ 18
No, because she’s black and a WOMAN! doncha know
kdh22 @ 20
Where’s Orrin? That’s his specialty…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 19
Wish I could remember which commenter yesterday or Saturday said that a Republican told them that the Democratic Party was black, latino, gay, everything that wouldn’t fit under the Republican’s tent — or something to that effect.
Yeah. We’re attacking Doan and Gonzales because they’re ours, basically.
Rayne — You know, I’m not certain what has been up with the Davis and Novak two-step lately, but something is definitely in the air. This particular op-ed really ticked me off — especially on the eve of the Libby “don’t blame me, I just got caught” sentencing tomorrow. The whole “we’re Republicans, there shouldn’t be any consequences, the laws don’t apply to us” mentality is grating on my last nerve this morning.
From Salon on the arrogant one..
“Cartoonists — any satirists — are mere blowhards at the fringes of the mob, screaming at the crowd to throw the gasoline bombs at the storm troopers. Nobody pays attention to us, really, but we look amusing with our veins popping out. I think it builds confidence for the stragglers in the back.
Bush has given us a gift: far from not taking himself seriously, he’s become the only human being on the planet that thinks he’s not just uniquely competent … but brilliant in his strategic, heavenly inspired prescience as to how the world works. This hilarious — also arguably homicidal — self-deception is what makes him a comical figure. Literally, it’s as if — I mean this with the utmost respect for both the office and the man — my 5-year-old boy Milo was running the free world. Milo believes himself equally as shrewd in spotting who the bad guys are in any movie and declaring the complex strategy to deal with them: “Blast ‘em all!”
But there’s bad news for satirists. Bush has come full circle: His ridiculousness is approaching the sort of existential absurdity that is untouchable. Watch him try to string a sensible sentence together now. Anywhere. He’s become one of those guys with the Marx Brothers in “A Night at the Opera” who tumble through the door in the stateroom scene. I can’t make him funnier than when he’s trying to explain himself in a town hall meeting. Any day now he will go with “I’m the decisioner” and we satirists will know that our balls have been cut off entirely by a very shrewd adversary. Reagan did this too by becoming senile.”
–Salon
Christy Hardin Smith @ 19
Funny how the right wing spin machine can go from claiming the Democrats are a party that panders to minorities one moment to a party that discriminates against them the next. Audacity trumps consistency everytime.
-GSD
I can’t help but laugh hysterically when I hear my local older white male republicans say with a straight face that dems are prejudiced against Condi because she is a black female. Surreal.
ironranger @ 28
You mean that’s NOT why we don’t think she’s the best sec state ever?
Evil Dr Puma? Are you there? If so, I am glad. If not, I have these thoughts about EDP’s departure (and sorry for being late to the party). We know he recently struggled with abuse in his (extended) family, so suggestions that he is insensitive must really hurt. Also in recent days, he was shot down for objecting to Liberty Lee’s seeming advocacy of torture. Double standard, perchance? Anyway, I miss him.
despairing @ 30
He was here last night, participating and in good spirits.
EDP came back? Oh I’m so glad. There was such a misunderstanding imo.
Mrs. Graham must be screaming somewhere.
Who allowed this traitor to drool on my paper ?
TexB: It just goes to show what lemmings the white male wingnuts are. Whatever Rush says. Yup, that’s the ticket. And then they convince themselves they believe what they are parroting.
GSD @ 27
ironranger @ 28
Why don’t you remind them of the Republican position on affirmative action? The fact that we do NOT look at gender or race but at performance (which ought to thrill them down to their tootsies) is precisely the reason we are not giving her a pass for being a sucky Sec. of State.
GSD — while you are around, how is the campaigning going in NH at this point? Have the ads already started running? Is it all happeneing around the same usual schedule — or much earlier this cycle? i’m curious how it looks to folks who are on the ground there.
dakine01 @ 23
Davis and Hatch are interchangeable IMO.
All you ever need to do to reduce a conservative Bushite to a quivering, incoherent mess is to ask him to slow down, take a deep breath and say what they’re saying once again, and in complete sentences. It never holds up.
“convenient memory lapse syndrome”?
It’s their universal get-out-of-jail-free card. Just think, if Clinton had only said “I don’t remember having sex with that woman” They’d never have considered impeaching him.
Right?
Strikes me that Novak’s piece may well be another attempt to pretend that the fix isn’t in when it is. After all, someone got to Bloch and got him to pull back from the harshest conclusions in the report. If BushCo got to Bloch and instructed him not to call for Bush to fire Doan (which is what the draft said), does that constitute help on the part of the White House?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 25
I figure Marcy must be stewing away on this one, too; Novak doesn’t go repeatedly to the same well without a reason.
Ugh. Novak is sooo overused with this “we didn’t mean to do it” stuff, too. Must be that they can’t get anybody else to do it so they go with Novak, rather like the old Life cereal ads: “Hey! Give it to Robert! He’ll do anything!”
I’ve found 3 articles in three months where Novak either mentions or cites Davis:
Was Valerie Covert? 22-MAR-07
Rove and the Grand Inquisitor 17-MAY-07
More Gonzales Grief 20-MAY-07
Are there more out there? Seems like quite a concentration all of a sudden; is it only because he’s the ranking minority member of the House Oversight Committee?
edit: heh. I see Marcy WAS already stewing on this. Damn but she’s fast!
Rayne at 42 — I knew that Waxman was turning over a lot of stones. But now I’m wondering just which stone it is that has them so in need of doing pre-emptive pushback?
Christy said:
Great observation! This is a meme I think we should spread around a little.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
Must be a full-court press, if they are hammering away at the back door of the House Oversight Committee using Plame, Ralston and GSA. Seems like a rather odd mix to me in any other context, but the unifying field is Waxman.
Rayne @ 42
Could Novak be preparing the ground for a pardon?
Wait, if there’s no ONE candidate being supported, but an entire political PARTY, it’s all okay? I want some of what Nofacts is smokin’. That must be good s**t.
noen @ 46
Whose pardon?
This is the White House side of the fence, not OVP; the one thing in common that all three scandals (Plame’s outing, Ralston/Abramoff, Doan-GSA) have in common is…?
Christy Hardin Smith @ 43
It may well have to do with challenging whether or not OSC can conduct a fair investigation. Novak’s column comes straight out of Doan’s lawyer’s response to the OSC report. And a big part of the lawyer’s strategy appears to be to accuse OSC of bias because of the leaks of the earlier reports (though OSC, at least, says Doan is responsible for the least damaging of the two leaks).
So what happens if Doan et al can successfully challenge the viability of OSC?
Hmm. Seeing as how OSC is investigating Rove, Jennings, et al for a the rest of the Jennings’ presentations, the GWB43 emails, and politicization of hiring at DOJ, I’d say there’s a real incentive to discredit OSC.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 37
As one who expects personal contact with all candidates I am a little miffed at the Hillary/Barrack organizations that keep their candidates at arms length from the people. Both of their campaigns are seemingly more concerned about MONEY before conversation whereas Edward’s people are more in the tradition of NH campaigning (for full disclosure I am an Edwards supporter). I fear that “retail” politics has taken a back seat this year. The number of people that go gaga over Obama is amazing but that is mostly because of his novelty being covered by the MSM. I certainly do feel any warmth from him in person…. he is a black Ken doll.
Maybe as the primary comes closer and the MSM mentions the other candidates we will get back to comfortable living room politics, here’s hoping.
Rayne @ 48
Libby of course. If the general theme that Novak is spreading is that “We didn’t really break the law and if we did it was a technical violation, no big deal.” That kind of message getting space in his column might be prepping for a pardon of Libby or of communicating his sentence. It’s just a thought, probably nothing.
dakine01 @ 23
Don’t forget Chris Cannon.
She’s pretty much twisting in the wind right now. When Bob Novak is the equivalent of your knight in shining armor, you know you’re in deep shit.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 52
Well, seeing as Chris Cannon is clearly the Orrin in waiting, I’m sure he figures he needs to practice.
nomolos—
I personally met with Senator Obama at a campaign event. He answered my questions with substantive, thoughtful, non-BS answers.
Rayne: I really like the ring of the Waxman Unified Field Theory. WUFT
OT – from eRobin, key voting integrity vote coming up this week on flawed bill. more here.
Frank Probst @ 53
A black knight… with fangs.
noen @ 51
I think that the pardon push is all coming from the outside. And I tend to believe Novak’s claim that Bush isn’t going to pardon Libby. Bush is clearly thinking about his legacy, and even someone as dense as Bush can tell that his legacy isn’t looking too good right now. That’s why he’s willing to go against his base on immigration. Libby was Marc Rich’s lawyer, which will make the comparison to Marc Rich’s pardon inevitable. There will also be comparisons to Poppy’s pardons. I don’t think Bush’s fragile ego will be able to take it. As for the persistent claims that Bush will reward Scooter’s loyalty, look how far that got Harriet Myers.
TexB (AKA TexBetsy) @ 12
If anyone would know, it’s the Prince of Darkness . . .
sofistic @ 56
It’s pretty simple with no complicated math needed… They’re all crooked as hell.
I see that the Goopers may be rallying around Gonzo. Who knows what is on tap this week?
emptywheel @ 54
Cannon is well on his way if his performance during the ‘Innocent Little Girlie’ perfomance of Goodling is any representation.
okay! FDL pups/crew — here’s my
best guess at a run-down of
the very, very busy week ahead
in DC — featuring live-blogging
here at FDL — of scooter’s sentence,
and at least four other committee hearings
to be live-video-available. . .
note that sen. leahy will hold a
vote-supression hearing featuring
sen. barack obama, on thursday — that
ought to be explosive!
what (else) did i forget/miss?
thanks!
noen @ 51
Nah, I don’t think so. I think THEY were counting on the letters to Judge Walton to do the heavy lifting on reducing time for Libby. I’m not certain they want Libby pardoned since accepting it is an admission of guilt and could leave them without a firewall.
And the “”We didn’t really break the law and if we did it was a technical violation, no big deal” line we are going to hear ad nauseum from the Republicans embroiled in all of the scandals to date and those we have yet to see. That’s what’s getting Christy’s goat; they believe they bear no responsibility in any way for a criminal act, that if only the rules were changed to tweak for this or that technicality it wouldn’t be a crime anyhow.
Nice rationalization, must be a necessary talent in their fabricated reality.
snowbird42 @ 62
asked, and answered.
he he!
thanks for the rim-shot, snowbird!
snowbird42 @ 62
Judge Walton.
Frank Probst @ 59
Ok, you probably know this stuff better than I do anyway.
BTW, you just said: “Bush is clearly thinking”.
;)
nolo @ 66
Whoa!! I was channeling you.
nolo @ 63
ahh, we both made a list!
here’s mine (from the previous thread)… and the links go to more detailed listings and info pages. hope they are of help to you.
GSD @ 5
Yeah, let’s all just leave them alone. All alone!
Rayne @ 65
Ok. And the rationalization you mention seems to be a form of American Exceptionalism that the GOP has completely internalized. Or they are the source in the first place.
I see the “Weasel Protection Racket and Whining Wulizter” is still playing at full steam.
Who knew that the only standard the Repugs can truly uphold is a pathological inability to admit fault, an ever-present criminality or their genetic devolution from a pack of cesspool-resident weasels?
Who knew? Why, we did, doncha know?
nomolos @ 50
Not defending either one of them, but are any other candidates under secret service protection? Just a thought.
Christy,
Sorry I was away for a few moments.
The campaigning has started much earlier than in the past. Usually it is sporadic until Labor Day and then it kicks off in earnest.
There have already been ads running. Richardson has some and Mitt Romney is running a real creepy war rallying ad that makes him sound like a cheerleading war monger.
Also the large events are really unusual this early. Usually the big rallies are in the home stretch.
I also can’t remember a field this large…on both sides.
We’ll see what happens after Labor Day too. States keep pushing their schedules ahead and NH’s Sec. of State has the latitude to change the primary date to keep it ahead of everyone else.
-GSD
spurious at 74 — All of the Presidential candidates are under Secret Service protection. This year, because of the sheer volume of candidates on both sides of the aisle at the moment, the Secret Service’s resources have been taxed quite a bit to provide adequate protection for everyone. It’s been a roller coaster, from what I have heard.
GSD at 75 — That’s what I was picking up from others, most of whom were political operative types, though. I wanted a bird’s eye view from a constituent. Thanks much — confirms what I was suspecting, but it’s good to know that both New Hampshire and Iowa appear to be in the same boat on this at the same time. This year is awfully odd on so many levels, isn’t it?
noen @ 72
Well, I don’t think the Republicans are the sole source of American Exceptionalism; read JFK’s speeches about space and you’ll see that there’s a lot of expectations borne of being American. But that is the difference between conservative and progressive versions of American Exceptionalism.
Conservatives expect as Americans that they possess special rights and privileges (including absolution from criminal behavior).
Progressives expect as Americans that they have special obligations and responsibilities to others.
Hi Christie,
In the very first sentence of the column, Novak mentions that Lurita Alexis Doan is African American. What does that have to do with anything?
Considering Novak’s age, I am surprised he did not say she was a credit to her race.
ironranger @ 34
It isn’t just the white males. I had a West Indian driver on my way to the airport in Newark a week ago. He was listening to Limbaugh and I asked him what he thought of what he was spewing.
The man in all seriousness said that he thought Limbaugh was right about how the ordinary people in this country are being hurt by Democrats and liberals.
When I asked if he knew how much money Rush makes and who he really represents, he said no. When I told him, I thought we were going to crash. I had to tell him to look at the road instead of staring at me in the mirror.
He honestly believed that Limbaugh was looking out for the little guy. The problem is that the words democrat and liberal have become shibboleths with which to beat people and ideas down and Rush has been the premier wielder of said implements.
Jeez, it’s like coming out of the wilderness not having access to the toobz all weekend
Was greatly sorrowed to learn of Steve Gilliards passing.
I will send my condolences to Jen when she gets that thread going.
On a brighter note I will hopefully be around for Scooter finding out bad things happen when you lie v 2.0,
GSD,
Reporting from Iowa as well GSD… Ads that I have noted are Richardson’s job interview ad that has caught several nonpolitical types attention.
We had Edwards three times within 60 miles on Memorial Day. He seems to have built a real ground operation in Iowa. Hilary and Obama have been here as well.
I agree with you GSD about the field size and the Labor Day timeline.
Here in Iowa it is still Iraq all the time in conversations brought up by others since they recognized my political obsession.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 76
Thanks, I guess I should have known that. But I’d only heard about Obama, and of course Hillary would have SS because of her last life. Guess it would be taxing, but having had the end of Bobby Kennedy’s campaign branded into my brain, I have to think it’s money well spent.
spurious @ 83
Well, they’re both seated Senators; I think that would make a difference in the level of security coverage.
spurious at 83 — No question on that. It is money well spent — we just don’t generally see it spent on more than 15 candidates at one time. *g*
OT – Just as important as the length of Libby’s sentence will be Judge Walton’s sentencing opinion:
Will he speak directly to Cheney and Bush, and openly declare the pathetic transparency of Libby’s act of Political Loyalty over adherence to the Rule of Law?
If he doesn’t, wouldn’t that be the ironic exclamation point to Bush’s famous “If there’s a leaker in my administration, they’ll be taken care of.”
Will Judge Walton’s opinion ’see’ the Crime (the Leak) behind the obstruction and call the obstructionists to account?
james @80: If most of our “news” was not so useless in disseminating accurate information & lacking in journalistic integrity, americans would make better judgements. Did you suggest some other radio stations to the cab driver? Newark must have more choices, not like in more rural areas where it’s almost impossible to find stations other than very conservative (or “christian”).
Christy Hardin Smith @ 85
Well I hope they all stay in the race for now, at least until the California primary! Still annoyed that I wasn’t able to vote for Wes Clark because he had already been weeded out by a much smaller group of voters than would have been available to him in this state.
Gore.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 77
Much of it is driven by the subconscious, or not so subconscious desire to be rid of Bush, in my opinion….
-GSD
ironranger @ 87
Amen. But it occurs to me, is NPR (for example) really accessible to the kind of people who listen to Rush? Maybe it’s a language thing; are there any low-brow left-wing radio hosts who speak Newark taxi driver? (Not meaning to insult anyone, especially NPR-listening taxi drivers.)
Christy, it seems to me that the pardon is the ace-in-the-hole everyone in this Administration is counting on…so I’m wondering, where are the limits? Is there some point where the promise or use of the Presidential pardon becomes obstruction of justice, and is there any mechanism for thus setting a pardon aside?
Fresh thread for everyone.
RonD at 92 — No, there is no mechanism for setting aside a Presidential pardon for others. Although were it to be provable that the President himself was pardoning someone as a means to obstruct justice, that would raise the issue of an impeachable offense for him. Everyone is talking about a pardon because the Libby PR offensive wants them to do so — ther person who hasn’t been talking about a pardon is Bush, himself. And, since he is the only one able to grant one, I don’t think we’ll be seeing it any time soon.
Not with a Congress actually doing oversight ready to issue subpoenas the moment Libby’s 5th amendment protection against self-incrimination is no longer in full force and effect, anyway. If a pardon is in the offing, then it will not come until the end of Bush’s term, I predict — and thus it is important in my mind to have Libby begin serving his time straightaway or else we risk him serving none at all, and that is no punishment for so high level a flouting of the law.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 25
Hi Christy, whenever my tasks get to that point, I drop them and play with the kids for a while … IMO, the best therapy to de- stress.
emptywheel @ 54
Hi Marcy, I think Hillary’s people have ben reading posts by you, Jane & Christy … her snarks last night reminded me of you three. If she is going to win the nomination and the Presidency, I would highly recommend that her campaign take pointers from TNH & FDL.
Um … hello? where’s everyone hiding?
Some people call this EPU, I call it being with the in- laws !!! *g*
Is there some point where the promise or use of the Presidential pardon becomes obstruction of justice, and is there any mechanism for thus setting a pardon aside?
John Dean has been writing about issues that might arise with preemptive promises of a pardon. I think emptywheel had a post on it at tnh a few days back.
(Bottom line, if I remember rightly – promise of a pardon might constitute obstruction, especially if the promise was made by someone other than the pres – eg Cheney – but there’s unlikely to be evidence to prove it. IANAL. Also , IANTMEEW)
Mash, who’s excellent weblog “Dr. Strangelove” (and “DAily KOS” postings, a moderate American Muslim, with special knowledge on Pakistan) is always worth a read, had actually worked for Lurita Doan, and has a wrapup of the first hearings. He went from admiring her to seeing here as just another Bush Loyalist.
http://www.docstrangelove.com/…..e-hearing/
And as always, I shake my head and wonder what the MSM and Novakula would say if Bill Clinton’s GSA head broke the Hatch Act so egregiously…
When I asked Rep. Davis, he replied: “The bottom line is the administration has really not shown any willingness to stand up for her like they have for Gonzales, when what she has done is not nearly so egregious.”
Well, Rep. Davis, what has Mr Gonzales done that you think so egregious?
turkish bill @ 98
What is IANTMEEW? I thought I knew most of these abbreviations…
Are these GOP shills retarded … or just really really stupid? Sort of off topic … why would she have her glass removed because she didn’t want them to have her fingerprints? All govt workers have their fingerprints on file, don’t they? And in addition to that, it is rather easy to get her DNA. But don’t clue her in about DNA, or she WILL be in a rubber room.