Things aren't looking good for the Wall Street Journal in terms of resisting the Murdoch takeover bid.
Via Romenesko, the Journal itself is reporting on a bitter rift opening within the 34-member Bancroft Family regarding the News Corp. offer.
When members of Dow Jones & Co.'s controlling Bancroft family gathered 10 days ago for a meeting at a Boston hotel, they expected a fight. Some wanted to entertain a $5 billion bid for the company by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp., but Michael Elefante, a powerful Dow Jones director and family trustee, had opposed it.
Instead of a rebuff, the family members got a huge surprise: Mr. Elefante had switched sides.
(snip)
A look inside the family's deliberation shows four crucial factors laid the groundwork for the Bancrofts' dramatic change of position. One was the shift by Mr. Elefante, a Boston lawyer who oversees the family's trusts. A rift in the 34-member family widened as an increasingly noisy wing, especially those in the younger generation, agitated for Mr. Murdoch's offer to be considered.
It appears the elder members of the Bancroft family have been sold out to Murdoch by their own generation of squalling baby NeoCons. That's what happens when cousins start marrying each other and nobody can be bothered to swim past their own shallow end of the country club's gene pool. You sire a generation of Jonah Goldbergs.
Pity. While the Journal's Editorial page should probably have a sign on the door reading, "Inpatient Day Lounge", I had always gotten the impression that their reporting and editorial standards were rock-solid and reliable.
I'm sure Murdoch will do away with that in short order.
The groups are meeting tomorrow.
Representatives of the Bancroft family are planning to meet with Mr. Murdoch on Monday, according to people familiar with the matter.
The meeting is expected to deal solely with issues related to journalistic integrity, these people said. The family said Thursday that it would meet with Mr. Murdoch "to determine whether, in the context of the current or any modified News Corp. proposal, it will be possible to ensure the level of commitment to editorial independence, integrity and journalistic freedom that is the hallmark of Dow Jones."
Forgive me for saying so, but meeting with Rupert Murdoch to discuss journalistic integrity strikes me as kind of like meeting with the polio virus to talk about Dr. Salk. But good luck with that.
Me, I tend to agree with Slate's Jack Shafer, at least on the topic of Uncle Rupert:
Setting aside for a moment Murdoch's many skills and accomplishments, he's not particularly interested in the accurate and fair presentation of facts. He believes the rest of the press is liberal and that the conservative swing of his Fox News Channel and New York Post exist to correct that bias. He has routinely used his publications to help elect British politicians (John Major and Tony Blair) and his enterprises to advance personal business and political interests. (The Independent predicted last year that once Blair stepped down from office, Murdoch would reward him with a seat on the News Corp. board. We shall see. For more of Murdoch's mucking about, see these previous columns: "The Murdoch Street Journal," "Eight More Reasons to Distrust Murdoch," "Meet Mrs. Murdoch," and "Murdoch Lies to the Financial Times.")
Murdoch's politicking is so transparent that it's hard to accuse him of pursing "hidden agendas." Once it became politically expedient, he was happy to host a political fundraiser for the liberal Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) in 2006. In 2004, he arranged a similar event for liberal Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-N.Y.). Murdoch isn't bad for journalism because he's a conservative. He's bad for journalism because he has no principles.
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Dan Bartlett, George W. Bush’s longest running adviser, and described as his counselor, announced his resignation on his 36th birthday. That means…
He is not quite 3 years older than Monica Goodling.
He post dates the release of the Sgt Pepper Album by 4 years.
He was born after the Kennedy assassination (both) and the ML King assassination.
He missed the Apollo 11 moon landing.
Woodstock pre-dates him.
The Beatles broke up before he was born.
We was born after Kent State.
He could barely walk during Watergate.
He was not old enough to drive during Energy Crisis I and II.
He was too young to vote for Reagan, or Bush Senior.
He was still a teenager when the Berlin Wall came down.
The first presidential election in which he could vote was Clinton v. Bush.
He could buy his first legal drink around the time George W. Bush allegedly went sober.
While cruising the channels with GWB one Sunday at Camp David, he might suddenly exclaim, “Look Mr. President, William Shattner was in a TV series before Boston Legal!”
He is not too old to still join the Military
TRex!!
Gilliard!
I let downstairs know, TRex, that you were singing the Wall Street Blues up here.
Once it became politically expedient, he was happy to host a political fundraiser for the liberal Sen. Hillary Clinton
and i bet she took the money too.
Murdoch should improve the WSJ to no end. Cheesecake photos on page 3, and lots of yummy scandal — like who Peter Bacanovic has doing it with since leaveing prison (and whether prison improved his fellatio technique.)
Evening, gang. Bummer day for me. My tag expired on my birthday. I was out running errands and the police pulled me over. Turns out there’s something wrong with my registration, so they towed my car away.
Now I have to go turn over huge piles of money to get it back. And score a ride from someone to do it.
Oh double crap, TRex. Dayam, dayam and double dayam. Getting the car outta car jail (tow yard) is major friggin expensive. I am so sorry :(
honestly, who gives a rat’s ass if RM takes over the WSJ?
The editorial page is insanely right wing, so it’s not like that will change.
Is the WSJ that much of a journalistic powerhouse like the Times or the WaPO? I never got that impression. Its strength is the stock listings and business news. If he politicizes that and leads people to make bad investments, the paper’s credibility will be destroyed. And since i loathe the WSJ, i can’t see the downside to this.
oh TRex, that is a drag…so sorry!
Suzanne @ 9
I thought of you, Suzanne. Line 24, press hard, four copies, not an admission of guilt, just that you received the citation, etc, etc.
I started to say it with him, then figured I should keep my mouth shut.
Evening all. How’s life around the Lake? Sounds like our esteemed host has a not been having much fun.
(laughing) TRex, yeah, probably better that you didn’t. Depends on the mood of the cop to be truthful whether or not they have a sense of humor that day or he assumes you are being a wise-ass who needs a closer look to make sure there are not any other violations that need addressing. I was about 50/50 – Bitch With A Badge or neighborhood cop.
I also slipped on the stairs today and banged up my arm and leg. Just a star-crossed kind of day.
brendancalling @ 10
You’re right. And the Bancrofts will be sent to oblivion as they become extinct and irrelevant. Let the WSJ be exposed for what it is.
TRex @ 16
Yeah, when you turn 39, the luck is the first thing to go.
TRex @ 16
I don’t know TRex, this is sounding like one of those days where the best option is just to crawl back in bed and hope it is over soon.
Evening, DrD!
Evenin’ all !!!
TRex !!!
I still think one of the worst things to happen to the news biz in the US was when the rules were changed, allowing people like Murdock to buy up and dominate the print, radio & broadcast media. I believe that this breaks down competition, and makes someone with the financial ability and lack of scruples of Murdoch to be able to completely change what IS news. If you own a large chunk of people’s information sources, you control the message.
It’s good that we have the internet, but I still think a free and competitive press that can’t be monopolized is better for all of us.
I hope the WSJ doesn’t cave to Murdoch’s millions. I hope there are enough people in the family that have the integrity to say this is bad for the news business.
Perhaps the Financial Times will pick up some new subscribers.
Good to see you too, EDP!
RonD @ 20
Evening RonD.
tell us some good news TRex — did you all get some rain?
Well, TRex, we are a well matched pair today.
I feel that I should disclose that I am a very cranky mod tonight. Ya’ll are warned.
RonD @ 24
Oops, sorry, almost forgot…What kind of fuckery is this?!?!
(waves to DrDick, EDP and RonD)
TRex @ 9
Oh, that sucks! I’m sorry!
LoudounLib @ 29
(waves back)
landofthefree @ 22
On the other hand, one of the news shows the other day was pointing out that Murdoch has had miserable luck running newspapers in the US. He currently only owns one, having run several others into the ground. There is always the hope that he will totally destroy the WSJ and we won’t have to deal with them any more.
I did. Juan Carlos was more than happy to crawl up under the covers with me and commiserate.
LoudounLib @ 29
(Waves back)
Give it 2 or 3 years before the expected loss of readers becomes news. Rupert is likly to keep the crazy commentors on the op ed page and will if anything increase the readership of people who read the Journal FOR THAT REASON. The negative effect on news coverage will take a while to be felt as Rupert needs time to squeeze out the good reporters who are probably updating their resumes. However the country is swinging left now new readers are going to be tough to find especially as the 50% or so of Americans who STILL think Saddam had WMD, ties to Al Queida etc finally find out otherwise.
Pectopah @ 3
Thanks for the round-up!
EDP, I thought about you, too. I called a friend from the Barnes and Noble and told her what happened, and she said, “What the fuck kind of black, evil fuckery is that? The fuckers! Stay there, honey, mama’s coming to get you…”
TRex @ 33
God bless teh Kittehs!
brendancalling @ 11
I do. While the WSJ is a very conservative paper, it’s an important voice in our national print media that is NOT controlled by the ever-opressive Murdoch. It will be used as another tool to spread his view of how he wants the US to be seen. he has too much power in our media, he dominates so much of what we read and hear. He shouldn’t be allowed to accumulate such a monopoly.
TRex, was the cop cute?
TRex @ 37
Sometimes you just have to talk to your mama.
Suzanne @ 40
Nobody’s cute when they’re towing you.
I’m with you. The man has proven himself to be an irresponsible steward of the culture.
LOTF #21,
I agree with you-and if you ever want to hear about a Murdochian nightmare, check out this story. Essentially, a Fox station won a lawsuit by arguing in court that the news didn’t have to be true.
EvilDrPuma @ 42
DING!
TRex @ 9
Why did they pull you over, TRex, just the tag? On the very day it expired? Rotten.
I beg to differ – I was very cute while towing cars.
DrDick @ 32
I love it when a plan comes together.
Suzanne @ 47
I think we will need notarized testimonials from the towees on that one.
I came to LA in ‘81, when the Dodgers were on a red-hot tear. Fernando-mania and all that. For the next several years, they stayed up and I fell in love with baseball, Vin Scully and Bill James, in that order. Even after their season in the sun was over I still loved to go to games,loved hanging with my softball team buddies and talking sabermetrics.
And then the O’Malleys did the unthinkable. They sold the team to Murdoch. I was crushed, morose and mopey for a full year and I have only been to a few games since then.
He ruined the team. He took one of the last family-owned teams and turned it into a bottom line. Prices of everything, including the players, rose and you will never convince me that the Dodgers have been any good since that black day.
Fuck Murdoch and the goose he rode in on.
brendancalling @ 11
And let’s face it, who reads their stock reports on dead wood anymore anyway?
Evening, LoudounLib!
Sorry for your bad day, dear. Here’s more on Eric Alterman’s.
Indeed.
My friend Sara J who came and got me comforted me by telling me the story of the fine she forgot to pay and the cops came and pulled her out of band-practice and took her to jail. She spent the night in jail, went before the judge in leg-irons and shackles, orange jumpsuit, the whole bit.
That actually did kind of make me feel better.
Loo Hoo. @ 51
Lots of people. Others read the online edition.
sorry TRex, that sucks about your car. i had a similar problem with a tag lapse last year, but with better results.
there ought to be a law against Murdoch owning any more MSM than he already owns. who might draft this legislation for us?
TeddySanFran @ 53
Yeah. Saw that at Atrios’s place earlier. Not a good day for progressive bloggers.
Dr. D., we missed you! Hello.
Loo Hoo. @ 58
I think you have your Doctors crossed.
Dr. Dick – he also could use FoxNews to help crossmarket the WSJ and vice-versa. He could turn it into the Fox News Channel of the print world.
I don’t mind having reasonable conservative voices out there. The WSJ is interesting to read, in order to see what intelligent conservatives are thinking. They also do an excellent job of writing in-depth stories. Quality-wise, it’s head & shoulders above the papers that Murdoch destroyed in the US. It’s also a far cry from the Fox News type media model.
Murdoch has had success with his papers outside the US, and I’d rather not see him him sully and ruin yet another honorable newspaper in an attempt to monopolize the news we get.
DrDick @ 59
Isn’t it funny how the uninitiated think all anthropologists are interchangeable?
Hello, Loo Hoo.
edp in da house
things come undone @ 35
I got the WSJ for one year in 1996. I still get snail mail solicitations!
This goes out to our beloved theropod from his hometown boys.
I’m not that worried about the WSJ, it’s the tampering with Barron’s that worries me. Legendary columnist Alan Abelson will take no shit from anyone, so if they mess with him and he leaves, that’s a damn shame. He is a joy to read and a treasure to American journalism.
Mommybrain @ 62
You flatter me, calling this one-bedroom termite nest a house.
All you anthropologists look alike.
DrDick @ 49
Hows this for a testimonial: 5′10″ 135 lbs red hair, hzl eyes – I cut quite a striking figure in that blue shirt with dark navy wool pants and my wicked witch of the west boots, my pony tail bopping as I went about my business.
TeddySanFran @ 53
Oh, Eric, Eric, Eric. Such a hothead. That poor guy. It’s like his heart pumps a combination of espresso and nitroglycerine. And all those assholes who taped his conversation with Wonkette and laughed at him a few weeks ago are going to just love this.
We need Free Alterman t-shirts.
TRex #53,
One night during a gig the cops came into the club where we were playing and took our drummer off the stage in handcuffs for an unpaid charge on a dog-running-loose-ticket. Had to draft a friend out of the audience to finish the show.
Newspapers charge advertisers based on the size of their readership all newspapers have an increasingly older readership that is dying off a truely left paper could pick up new readers by reporting lefty news. The Journal under Rupert will probably look to lock in the old/crazy /rightwingers a shrinking demographic that advertisers don’t want. If anything Rupert is spending a LOT of money to get the Journal but if he gets it he will make the Journal worth LESS than when he owned it. While all newspapers are loosing readers Rupert’s policies are likly to make the Journal loose readers FASTER than the other papers do. This can only be good news for the NY Times.
TeddySanFran @ 67
It’s the khaki.
TeddySanFran @ 67
At least you didn’t accuse us of digging up dinosaurs.
when I was a young’un, Murdoch bought the NY Post. Turned what was once a good, reputable newspaper for regular NYers — having neither the snobbery of the NYT nor the tabloidery of the Daily News — into a rag fit barely fit for ass wiping. It was sad.
And now, 30 years later, the beat goes on.
Do believe that I will add Murdoch to Henry Kissinger on my new, “Why the F**k Aren’t You Dead Yet?” list.
Suzanne @ 68
Well, sounds like an impressive resume, but as EDP pointed out, getting towed kind of skews your perceptions.
DrDick @ 73
What? I thought you guys dug TRex??? (Oops. Sorry. Just saw the “up” part…)
Gooper Media Control Can’t Stop Us!
Train Kept a Rollin’ – Aerosmith
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seHw_ZFV_m0
WaPoO chatz tomorrow; questions accepted anytime!
Dan Balz at 11am eastern
Howard Kurtz at noon eastern
oddmommy @ 74
“Can I ask a question? When will you be dying, you twisted old ferret?”
–Tom Servo
TRex @ 9
((((hug))))
Does Murdoch remind anyone else of the villian in a James Bond movie?
TRex @ 69
Read all the way down; it wasn’t that big a deal, as it turns out.
RonD @ 81
Do you mean one specific Bond villain, or Bond villains in general?
…Okay, yes.
RonD @ 81
No, that’s Karl Rove. A friend of mine says he’s one fluffy kitty away from pure Bond villainy.
CD @ 76
Well I definitely dig the big guy, but I like to get down with the Theropod.
We still need the shirts.
But, sir! I hardly know you!
Loo Hoo. @ 63
I wonder if they still count you as a reader?Newspapers play lots of games to inflate their readership numbers. An investigation into all newspaper’s CLAIMED readership would be good for Democrats AFTER Rupert buys the paper.
OT
I’m doing an interview with Arianna tomorrow. Any question suggestions?
I’m definitely going to note that in her post-debate CNN analysis that she refuted the endlessly repeated line that by speaking out strongly against the war Edwards is appealing to the “left wing of the democratic party.”
She said, very clearly, that this is not a left-right issue, that 70 percent of Americans oppose the war.
Again, question suggestions very welcome.
I think the whole format of the debates needs to be updated for the new millenium. We should get to vote someone off at the end of each one.
Frank Probst @ 90
I nominate Wolf Blitzer.
Frank Probst @ 90
“John McCain, you are the weakest link…in a pretty flimsy chain.”
Tom Tomorrow pretty much nails it: http://www.salon.com/comics/tomo/2007/06/04/tomo/
things come undone @ 71
Yeah. The NY Post under Murdoch loses around $70 million a year because while he wants to keep the circulation up to match or exceed that of the NY Daily News, he can only do so by charging half what the News does; when he tried raising the price, readership plummeted. It’s a trash paper, and treated accordingly by New Yorkers.
Zed using a time machine!
Alterman’s side of the story, just up at Atrios…
Basically, he says it’s “mostly a misunderstanding” and the court date is July.
SnarKassandra @ 95
Evening Cassie. Enjoying the summer?
jayackroyd @ 89
yo Arianna! Why’d you dump your good Greek name and not take it back after the divorce? C’mon, Huffington’s not THAT much easier to spell!
Just kiddin. Sorta.
–oddmommyopoulos
Frank Probst @ 93
He usually does.
TRex @ 16
Well, TRex, thanks for being here anyway. What’s the saying? Half the important things of life come from just showing up?
Aloha,
Bob in HI
Slothrop @ 65
You read him too! I love when he talks to Stephanie Pomboy when she suggested payday loan companies and pawnshops as investments I knew the Bush economy was built on funny numbers. Alan I feel tells the truth cause he has no problem telling people whats wrong
with the economy most wall street guys are on happy pills!
DrDick @ 97
Yep! Are you?
CD @ 96
Funny how these “misunderstandings” keep happening to lefties, isn’t it?
Poor TRex! At least Barry came by and put out the fires for y’all.
EvilDrPuma @ 92
Yes, yes! And hack them to pieces and feed them to sharks!
Or at least pelt the loser with rocks and garbage. That’d set em straight.
RonD @ 81
Yes, the Jonathan Pryce character that was the evil publisher who created the news, rather than reporting it.
SnarKassandra @ 95
Silly girl. Time keeps on slippin’, slippin’, slippin’ into the future.
~itunkala @ 56
There used to be a law against it. The Telecommunications Act of 1996 opened the door to allow massive consolidation. In the past few years, the Republican-led congress was trying to allow megacorporations to own even more media in the same city (print, radio, broadcast). Of course, who is controlling the media debate on such topics, do ya think? Maybe those mega corporations that own most of the media. See this interesting article from January (USA Today… not a great paper, but it’s Gannett) where they talk about the terrific opportunity for print media if they can get the FCC to allow multiple media ownership in the same city.
Dorgan was one person who was pretty ticked off about the conglomeration. There was a bad train derailment in Minot, and apparently Clear Channel owned almost every radio station in the town. because they broadcast a lot from a canned setting rather than live, they couldn’t get the emergency informaton out to the town’s radio listeners for hours, while a toxic cloud hovered over Minot. My guess is that he is one Senator who would be for preventing expanded ownership rules.
SnarKassandra @ 102
Was up until this week. I have had a cold all week, but it is almost gone and I hope to get back out and enjoy the vast expanses of western Montana. May even go fishing in the morning. The rivers are back down and clearing up, so fishing should improve. As soon as I am fully recovered, I am going to do another long hike in the Bitterroots (about 16-17 miles round trip with a 2000 foot elevation gain).
This may seem like a stupid question, but here goes ….
Are there any newspapers that are owned by progressives?
Or papers owned by the city? Kinda like our neighborhood association has one once a month? Or the ones from school? That a whole community owns and not just rich neocons.
OK. Maybe it was 4 questions.
oddmommy @ 98
Got some sympathy for that. I’m Makris on my mother’s side. But I think I’ll let that one pass.
DrDick, that long hike sounds very soul-restorative. Take yer vitamin C and knock out that cold!
Wall Street, or?
Fascination Street – The Cure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_nSETaWNzY
landofthefree @ 108
There are huge areas of rural America where Clear Channel owns all of the broadcast media and they do not really do local news. More corporate inspired dumbing down of America.
DrDick @ 59
True. I meant EDD. sorry.
EvilDrPuma @ 61
Naw, its only those two. For example, *I* am never confused with them, even though I, too, have an anthropology ph.d. Maybe I’m just “different.” For example, I don’t include “Dr” as part of my nom du net. I’d love to use “Dr. Bob” but that ID already has other associations.
:-)
Bob in HI
Slothrop @ 65
I suspect that he’ll wind up jumping to Business Week, as will a good chunk of Barron’s subscription base. Either that, or a new entity will be created, though I doubt this will happen: Not enough of the richest folk want to create a mag like that (or if they do, they’d rather keep such a mag for themselves).
Funny thing about businesspeople: They may or may not be conservatives, but the best and smartest don’t like being lied to — their careers depend on accurate information, and if they think that the WSJ and Barron’s are no longer trustworthy sources of information, they will go elsewhere, and faster than you can say ‘Jack Robinson’.
Another on topic song from the north Georgia boys.
I would like to ask Arianna how she feels being the token “progressive” on CNN debate nite. It must be pretty strange, surrounded by GOPers, commenting on the Democratic PrezCandis. Will they have a bunch of DFHs on Tuesday for the GOP PrezCandis? I think not.
What does she see as her role, and how prepared does she have to be to knock it outta the park, as she did tonite?
Bob Schacht @ 116
“Tune in next week, when you’ll hear Dr. Bob say…”
EvilDrPuma @ 120
I bet he means AA.
Early day tomorrow-Good nite all.
g’night RonD
EvilDrPuma @ 55
RonD @ 122
good night
SnarKassandra @ 121
I like the Muppets better.
g’nite, RonD – sleep well
Bob Schacht @ 116
was I the only one who was thinking of the Beatles’ “Dr Robert”?
EvilDrPuma @ 72
Heh. Australian diggers hat and bull whip optional. Actually, I DO have 2-3 khaki shirts and 2 khaki jackets. I was wearing one of them this weekend.
Bob in HI
SnarKassandra @ 110
Since nobody else is, I’ll take a stab at this one. There are (that I know of) no community owned newspapers (though it is an intriguing idea for some smaller cities and towns). As to progressive ownership, I am not really sure. There are some nominally progressive newspapers in the country (nowhere that I have ever lived), but I do not know how much that reflects the owners’ biases. The real problem is (as Pach has pointed out) that the real divisions in this country are between the “money party” and the “people party”, which to some extent cross cut political party membership. All commercial media are owned by the money party.
khaki is hot, but then, according to CNN, FDL thinks Hillary is hot.
SnarKassandra @ 110
UK Guardian is owned by a (non-profit) trust, IIRC
RonD @ 122
Night RonD. Sleep well.
Buying the Wall Street Journal will cost Rupert money his CABLE channels are where he makes money, I say BLEED him if only the Democratic Presidential Candidates would get behind the idea at a debate that DEMOCRATIC Consumers watching basic cable should not be forced to PAY for Fox News just because they want to watch the Daily Show. That would cause NewsCorp stock to drop like a stone, I bet Rupert is paying for this Journal buyout with a loan guaranteed by his stock if we can cause the price of NewsCorp stock to slip the Banks will ask for MORE stock and CASH. Just like they did to Enron!
Bob Schacht @ 129
I own a couple pair of khaki pants and that is it.
Don’t forget Ruppee is starting a Business TV Channel soon. His minion Ailes said something like it’s time for the business community to get a fair shake. Yea, CNBC is such a Socialist outfit! This move has gotta be tied to that.
BTW, I worked at TV station that was taken over by Fox as an O&O, and we went from being one of the most respected stations in the country to chasing ambulances literally overnight. And yes, you do get a daily “briefing” each day on suggested stories and how to cover them. This man is very, very evil. And two of the most enthusiastic supporters of the 1996 Telecommunications Act, which allowed all this controlling of the message? Bill Clinton and Al Gore…these names need to go away. We desparately need new blood in DeeCee.
I used to date a man who also considered a whip optional – does that count?
jayackroyd @ 89
What is the main reason that she opposes Hillary Clinton. Spell it out completely.
I got stair-grunge all over the seat of my khaki-colored linen trousers today when I slipped and fell. I haven’t even looked all that closely at the stain, yet. Too depressing.
Hey Cassie – hope you’re feeling better soon!
There are papers owned by progressives, but in theory, no one should be publishing a “newspaper” with a strong political bias throughout. That’s a public relations paper, a partisan paper – it’s not unbiased news. The dirty truth is that most newspaper managerial boards do have some form of bias. Some of them are very obvious, others are far more subtle, and some truly shift between the way stories are handled in the regular part of the paper versus the editorials by the paper’s editorial staff. The better news sources, IMO, try to strike a balance by focusing on facts more than opinions. In other words, they don’t argue a fact (like the existance of global warming) with a bunch of PR flak nonsense sponsored by someone with a vested interest in disputing the story (ExxonMobil saying there is no global warming, with no facts or evidence to prove their point).
In one of my favorite college journalism courses, my fantastic professor had us each subscribe to the WSJ, NYT and Boston Globe, plus two monthly news magazines of our choosing, as a regular reading assignment. I never realized how differently each of these sources would report on the exact same story. It really opened my eyes to the bias of the editorial staff & managerial board of those who report “the news” to us. There is so much that a person can manipulate – consciously or unconsciously – on how they tell a story. Ever since then, I’ve had the habit of researching major stories from a variety of sources.
I like to make sure the news I get puts the highest priority on delivering facts rather than spin. It’s been getting much harder to do this in the past ten years or so. Our news has been warped by the need for “entertainment”. People can spin BS easier under the guise of “infotainment” than they can with hard news.
Suzanne @ 137
err…uh…so for you a whip is…mandatory?
[ducks]
Suzanne @ 137
You call this cranky?
landofthefree @ 139
Thanks!
I feel fine. It’s DrDick that was sick.
TRex @ 139
I think that this
is appropriate to your situation.
SnarKassandra @ 95
Good move, SnarKassie!
Welcome! No school tomorrow? What’s up for summer fun?
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 144
I start Driver Ed tomorrow!!! School’s been over more than a week.
Evening all:
Frequent lurker, sometimes commenter here with a complete OT–
Did anyone see Valerie Plame speaking at Book Expo America on Book TV this weekend? OK, I confess I taped it because it was on late here on the West Coast and watched this afternoon. She got a standing ovation, BTW. She talked about her experiences in trying to get her book vetted by the CIA for publication, and the first amendment issues involved. Hopefully, the book will be out in October.
EDP, no, that was not cranky. You wanna see cranky? Like playing with fire, doncha?
things come undone @ 134
I missed the CNN debate because I just had my cable disconnected. When they asked why, I said I could no longer subsidize Fox news and O’Lielly’s salary. They got the message. I hope they act on it. I’ll use YouTube for my fix of Stewart and KO.
SnarKassandra @ 146
(remembers my own drivers’ ed from over 30 years ago and starts to feel old!)
brendancalling @ 11
And the NYT and WaPo are that great now as it is?
TeddySanFran @ 119
The second one’s a good one. I’ll use it, crediting you, teddy, if that’s okay.
LoudounLib @ 150
Old??? Mine was 40 years ago.
Pectopah @ 3
Describes me too, except my first election was Clinton vs Dole i think. 1996 election. He’s got 6 years on me and i have more sense than him.
jackaroyd – ask Arianna if she wouldn’t mind dressing more appropriately for the TV. Her several inches of cleavage was really over-the-top, and frankly I must say distracting from her message (and this is coming from a hetero woman, btw). She might want to keep in mind that she’s not J-Lo.
I’d also ask her what she thinks of the debate format in general, and if she thinks debates with fewer candidates (every night has 2-3 candidates) would give us better in-depth coverage of the candidates intentions and ideas, or if it would be a bit unfair for some candidates.
Personally, I thought the format was annoying. Different candidates were given different amounts of camera time and response time. Wolf kept trying to push decent questions into ridiculous hypotheticals, and I’d rather see more time spent in detail on the candidates policies rather than answering “would you bomb Pakistan and kill innocent civilians to get Osama bin Laden”.
sure, that’s okay
SnarKassandra @ 146
At least you’re learning to drive somewhere sane. I noticed while I was down there that drivers actually yield to pedestrians from time to time. Around here, you’re taking your life into your hands at a crosswalk.
Hey Cassie, glad you asked your question:
kristine @ 147
Email John at Crooks and Liars. He may want to excerpt that.
for Cassie as she starts drivers’ ed:
Key to the highway
EvilDrPuma @ 157
Here in Missoula, pedestrians legally have the right of way at all corners and people routinely stop for them. The downside is some of our pedestrians are prone to simply wander out into the street without really looking at traffic. Almost enacted natural selection on a few.
waving to kristine – welcome!
Oh, Dr. Dick – feel better soon.
FYI for those who missed the debate (and have cable): CNN is rebroadcasting the debate right now.
Trex: don’t worry about the pants until tomorrow. Plus, as the shopaholoic we know you are, I’m sure you have another very sexy pair of pants to wear tomorrow.
Time for me to get to bed. I was bad, I got home from a very long day of work, and instead of doing more work, I goofed off and watched the debate. Now, I’ll have to get up early to be prepared for my morning job. I hope you all have a great night!
kristine
C&L email: crooksandliars at gmail dot com
Bob Schacht @ 116
My dad uses his doctorate in third world countries. Much better accomodations and food. We could all do that, far as I’m concerned, because nobody ever checks. Rude but true.
Good night, landofthefree. Sleep well!
g’night LOTF
DrDick @ 161
What I remember learning was that pedestrians crossing with a light have right of way over a turning car. But NOBODY yields around here. And the timers on the lights give you about five seconds to get across. It’s like some kind of bloody video game.
Night Lotf
EvilDrPuma @ 166
Here it is easy to cross the street, even the busy ones, but parking lots are dangerous.
“Watch out, you might get what you’re after…”
Burning Down the House – Talking Heads
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ozc70JPGRMQ
SnarKassandra @ 169
I didn’t even find the parking lots all that terrible. I learned to love crossing the street, though.
Cassie, the St. Petersburg(FLA) Times is owned by a foundation which also funds the Poynter Inst. There is a web page for the P.I. that discusses the news and journalism.
DrDick @ 114
Y’know, I talked with a friend this weekend who is much involved in Hawaii’s network of independent radio stations. He says most of this stuff about Clear Channel is just an urban myth (note: he’s speaking of a competitor!) Maybe its just here in Hawaii, but all local radio stations are apparently required to have local staff and must provide local coverage in an emergency. We had such an emergency here last September when, as the result of an earthquake, electric power grids were down over most of the state for about 12 hours. Fortunately, it was a Sunday. The radio stations that went off the air did so because they didn’t have alternative power. Those that were on immediately went to local coverage, and studios were staffed with local people. News was provided by people calling into the station– Ironically, the state emergency broadcast system didn’t work, and the local stations couldn’t get any critical info from official gov’t sources for hours.
He said the same reporting is required of stations operated by chains like Comcast. So some of these claims need to be verified before being repeated.
Bob in HI
TeddySanFran @ 131
Where do you find this, Teddy? The Hillary is hot comment? I must have very poor skills at unearthing.
SnarKassandra @ 121
Cassie, you one smart kiddo.
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 163
Done.
EvilDrPuma @ 126
Did the Muppets have a Dr. Bob? Linky, please. I wanna meet my alter ego.
Bob in HI
Dr. Bob and Bill W. It was 30 years ago this month…
LoudounLib @ 128
Maybe. The Beatles craze erupted during my college daze, and I have all their albums up to the White Album, but I don’t remember a Dr. Robert. Who dat?
Bob in HI
A little something in honor of TRex’s pants.
Honk if you’re a friend of Bill’s.
(*HONK!*)
kristine @ 146
All hail Valerie! May take the next administration before she can publish.
Felix Moronia @ 177
1935. My brother has a book about it.
family of friend of Bill – half a honk?
TRex I am an alateen. Right down the hall.
Frankly, I don’t know what the difference between News Corp and the current WSJ management might be, other than we might see ads on the front page and photos instead of engravings.
They’re BOTH so far-right-wing, the difference seems trivial.
Bob Schacht @ 177
Behold! (Scroll down until you find the “Veterinarian’s Hospital” sketch.)
Oh…and in case you don’t know which Muppet is Rowlf…
So driver ed starts much later than regular school but I still have to shut down and go to sleep in 2 minutes. See all y’all on Monday.
Bob in HI — it’s from the Revolver album.
link
SnarKassandra @ 187
Night Cassie. Drive safe.
g’night Cassie, sweet dreams
The hottest April since records began
By Ian Griggs
Published: 29 April 2007
Much of Britain will bask in scorching 22C temperatures today as the Met Office confirmed last night that April 2007 will be the warmest since records began in 1659.
London and most of the South will be scorching in temperatures nearly 10 degrees above the average for this time of year, while weather experts said the average Central England temperature for April was 11.1C, beating the previous record of 10.6C set in 1865.
Specialists at the Met Office’s Hadley Centre, which researches climate change, said the warming trend was consistent with climate predictions.
[snip]
enjoy driver’s ed cassie – sleep well
SnarKassandra @ 187
Good night.
CNN blog report shows FDL on Hillary: “She’s hot tonight”
Ya know, the Dodd web site has a brief tribute to Steve Gilliard complete with a cool picture of Steve. Couldn’t find anything on the “big three” sites. The more I see and hear of Dodd, the more I think he deserves support. Just a random thought…
DrDick @ 189
Just class for a few weeks, then the permit, then practice behind the wheel.
I meant that I became acquainted with Dr. Bob and Bill W. 30 yrs ago:-)
Good night, Cassie. Remember to take good long looks at all the cute boys in other cars you see, stomp the brakes as often as possible, and speed through every yellow light you come to. Tell them Uncle TRex told you to.
TeddySanFran @ 193
There were, what, several hundred comments in the debate liveblogging threads, but they pick that one.
TRex @ 197
Only if Suzanne is the cop that pulls me over.
TRex @ 197
Aw, hell, why do I call myself evil, anyway?
Felix Moronia @ 178
Yep. As Cassie understood, he’s the reason “Dr. Bob” won’t work for me. I wouldn’t want anyone to think that I was claiming credit for what he and Bill W. did.
Bob in HI
TRex @ 198
She can TRex, her car isn’t in jail:)
Original Hillary is hot comment
TRex @ 197
And be sure to talk and text on your cellphone to all your friends all the time. That will REALLy endear you to the other drivers.
SnarKassandra @ 183
“The Big Book”?
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht @ 205
Nope. Dr Bob and the Old Timers.
Cassie, don’t forget to crank up the car’s stereo system so you can share music with others.
Suzanne @ 205
Loo Hoo!
TeddySanFran @ 195
first they ignore you, then…
Suzanne @ 207
If you are not rattling the windows of the other cars, it isn’t loud enough.
Loo Hoo. @ 182
Whew, sprinted through the debate threads … pant pant … I hope her lawyer is smart enough to fight for her first amendment rights.
Methinks this admin. does not want to piss off their “intelligence” people any more, not unless they’re really stupid.
121064 @ 186
The WSJ Opinion page is laughable, but the news unit is very separate and very good. I know some reporters there, and they are not aware of any tampering by the current powers-that-be with the journalistic integrity. This will most definately change under Ruppee’s ownership. Without a doubt.
kirk murphy @ 209
We can only hope Gandhi called that one right.
Petrocelli @ 211
They are REALLY stupid.
DrDick, that’s right — lots of bass is required as well!
kirk murphy @ 211
I was thinking the exact same thing, Kirk … Good Evenin’ !!!
LooHoo, your context has been twisted by CNN.
Does that mean you’re famous now?
LoudounLib @ 215
I do live in a university town.
kirk murphy @ 210
I guess it’s CNN’s revenge for our rather vociferous takedowns of Leslie Woof.
TeddySanFran @ 195
OK– I saw that report. Note that she did not refer to FireDogLake, but alert viewers like you could see the FireDogLake header at the top of the screen. Good catch!
Bob in HI
DrDick @ 220
;-)
DrDick @ 214
And REALLY evil. So, yes, of course they’ll go and piss off the intelligence people again.
Loo Hoo. @ 182
One of the things she said is her book will be published in October. It sounds like she thinks all of this will be settled by then. She has a great attorney arguing her case, and there is president, so I think she’ll be successful.
And believe me, she had a lot of support and admiration from the crowd: Booksellers are right up there with librarians when it comes to 1st amendment rights.
Always alert for that blue fire/footprint when the CNN Blog report comes on! You never know what might catch their blogmistresses’ eyes
Suzanne @ 205
Funny…they didn;t use GSD’s comment below that one…
“Bring on the war screams Blitzkrieg Blitzer.”
Its not driving unless there is a boom ba boom boom bop boom boom going.
DrDick @ 216
I think they are really corrupt, and that they pretend to be stupid/incompetent to hide their deviousness … thankfully people have woken up to this …
First they ignore you.
Then they arrest you.
Then they put you in camps.
Then they slaughter you like ants.
Then, when you and everyone you know are beyond caring, you win.
GSD was on fire during the debate threads — lots of gems there that CNN passed over.
It must have meant a lot to Valerie to have gotten such a reception — she’s had to be so quiet throughout this ordeal, while her blowhard attention-seeking husband flies around the country speaking on her behalf [kidding!!!]
EvilDrPuma @ 215
Gandhi stated an immutable reality … as long as you represent virtue, you will always win.
Petrocelli @ 227
I do not think that stupid, corrupt, and evil are mutually exclusive categories. Given what we actually KNOW, despite no oversight for 6 years and a complicit press corps, it is fairly clear that they are not terribly bright about this stuff. I lived in Oklahoma and Chicago, places where they perfected the arts of public corruption. These baboons would be laughed out of either place.
EvilDrPuma @ 224
I think a pardon of Libby will result in a series of unfortunate events for this administration … and I don’t mean Lemony Snickets …
suzanne, when in october is your b-day? mine is the 19th along with some othernot so famous people: john lecarre, chuck berry, and some french dude.
Alright, then. I’ve left you kids a midnight snack in the timer. I’m off to bed. Long day of queuing and writing obscenely large checks tomorrow.
Good night!
LoudounLib @ 231
I wasn’t surprised to hear he’s a professional stand-up comedian.
Oh good lo’
here just in time for more reports of
MSM’s blog-envy
gads, was Blitzer insufferable tonight or
what? His interruptions sounded like
he was a small child near the candy aisle
tugging on mommy’s apron. blergh
Petrocelli @ 233
There is certainly a lot of hostility among people that you REALLY do not want mad at you.
felix, October 15
TRex, thanks for the midnight snack. Sleep well, big guy
g’night TRex, tomorrow has got to be better!
I’m with you. The man has proven himself to be an irresponsible steward of the culture.
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What a restrained and civilised comment. I’ve been watching Rupert for an awfully long time and it is my considered opinion that the man is a putrid sack of rancid pus oozing from the anus of humanity. And that’s his good side.
TRex @ 235
Sleep well fair Theropod. Our prayers and best wishes for your ordeal tomorrow.
Good evening Petrocelli! jinx :)
Good evening EDP – glad to see you here!
maybe it’s been posted before:
for Suz & TRex & all kittehs & pups
Better Days
bonkers @ 238
Same here — I’d read that here a few weeks ago in some thread or another. He’s brilliant!
kirk murphy @ 243
So am I.
Persiflage — tell us how you really feel! ;-)
Suzanne @ 241
What is the meaning of THIS? Is someone else bringing midnight snack? Did you give up on me?
Oh yeah –
Off to Oregon.
My friend is one of the eco-vandals in the (latest) Green Scare trials.
He’ll be sentenced on Tuesday in Federal Court – where the judge and prosecutor have decided to dole out terrorism “enhancements”
Even though neither my friend nor the other defendents were convicted of terrorism.
The jury, of course, was not consulted.
Mourning in America.
TRex @ 230
TRex, we left off the part about domestic spying and secret trials.
I don’t think the Ned affinity group risks excessive optimism.
hey there Betsy :-)
Karen M @ 23
that’s the financial paper I read … and really appreciate seeing the coverage of US news from a pov outside the US …
TeddySanFran @ 232
Yeah, she looked a little surprised at the reception. As was pointed out, she spent her life working in anonymity serving her her country. Then, one day, She was front page headlines. She was someone who never sought the spotlight, but she was thrust into it because of the machinations of this Administration. Not everyone wants to be famous.
LoudounLib @ 252
howdy LL
persiflage @ 243
OHHH YES, The Aussies have arrived !!!
G’Day, care for a Golden Throat Charmer? *g*
All right! The host has gone to bed, so let’s Pull a Party!
TB, TRex’s midnight snack is his Late Late Nite post
Rupert bought the Chicago SunTimes when I was in school and Ann Landers and Mike Ryoko two of their best writters walked over to the Chicago Tribune rather than work for him. I wonder if history will repeat itself.
Evening TB. How’s Texas treatin’ ya these days?
DrDick @ 257
It don’t get no better than Lightnin’ Hopkins!
DrDick @ 255
*clearing throat*
lee5 @ 252
watching america dot org is a good place for global pov on the toobz.
Suzanne @ 258
Ah, ok then. This is mine. (Fruit dipped in chocolate.)
Suzanne @ 260
Oh. Yeah. Cranky mods….
This is a tribute to Suzanne.
DrDick @ 32
Be careful what you wish for. The WSJ has broken more business and financial scandals than every other media outlet in this country combined. Do you really want less oversight of the people who are managing your 401(k) money?
Thanks, TB – anything for the chocolate impaired tonight?
DrDick @ 260
Texas is HOT these days. Big thunder storm this evening, and we’ll see what that does.
In other news, I had wonderful news from my doctor. Not only are my current treatments working well, but the next step will be the safer and less painful of the two alternatives he was considering when it began. Should be completely done by the end of the month.
TexBetsy @ 264
Yum! Too bad I’m trying to cut back on desserts.
Oh, and good evening, TexBetsy.
Alas, Dr. Dick – I am on dialup – deep sigh
TexBetsy – wonderful news!
Good for you!
SnarKassandra @ 110
Cassie,
This is a really good question. I read through the rest of the comments up through 222, and there weren’t really many attempts to answer, apart from someone @ 158 who seems to be hinting that the Omaha World-Herald fills the bill.
I would add the Madison, Wisconsin Capitol Times, which bills itself as “your Progressive News Source” on its mast-head. It’s my hometown paper, but my parents always subscribed to the Wisconsin State Journal, which is reliably Republican most of the time. And what about the Boston Globe?
It would be interesting to see a rating of newspapers, much like ProgressivePunch.org does for members of Congress.
A lot depends on how you define “Progressive.” First there’s the ProgressivePunch kinda progressive. Then there’s the DLC version of progressive, which means pro-war, but social justice. Of course they don’t say “pro-war,” they’ll say things like “strong on defense” but they’re as hawkish as the Republicans.
I think what you’ll find is that some of the larger newspapers, like the NYT, are very diverse. That’s what big newspapers with big staffs do now: instead of having one coherent point of view, they hire the Froomkins and the Friedmans and the Maureen Dowds, figuring that if you hate Friedman, maybe you’ll like Froomkin. So the big papers are harder to pigeon-hole.
But if you want a good round-up of the progressive press, the best place to look IMHO is TruthOut.org.
Bob in HI
YAY!!! TexBetsy
TexBetsy @ 266
That’s wonderful news about your medical condition! Hope he’s right.
((( Betsy ))) that is great news!
WooHoo! snoopy dance for tb
Suzanne @ 268
FYI: John Lee Hooker, “Bad Like Jesse James”.
EvilDrPuma @ 187
There may be some hope. My 18 year old daughter just got a job at a Vet spec*alist place in Carlsbad, CA for $11.00 per hour. Double for holidays.
(*MOD NOTE: *edited to allow through spam filter)
Suzanne @ 267
Of COURSE! Lemon pie. Anyone else with a special diet to consider?
Suzanne @ 270
Suzanne, DrDick was paying you a high compliment — Bad Like Jesse James ;-)
Suzanne @ 228
I can hear that thumping in my apartment from some of the cars on the street outside. If it’s that loud in here, it must be ear-crushingly loud in the car! That’s the way today’s young’uns are losing their hearing. That, and direct mainlining that thumping straight into their ears with ipod headphones. They’ll need hearing aids by the time they’re 30.
Bob in HI
TexBetsy @ 264
Thanks Betsy, how are you doing?
TxB great news.
Isn’t the BoGlo owned by the NYT now, Bob?
Bad like Jessie James by the hooker man himself :) thank you very much, Dr. Dick.
Bob in HI, I started losing my hearing at 17 during a Led Zeppelin concert…my ears are still ringing ;-)
TexBetsy @ 266
Good to hear!
New thread up top!!
Late Late Nite is upstairs
LoudounLib @ 210
Thanks!
Suzanne @ 276
Yaay … nak*d snoopy dance for Betsy !!!
kirk murphy @ 132
What about the Village Voice? That’s about as far left as you can get and still read the beginnings of the lines.
TexBetsy @ 268
Glad you’re doing better! Continue to get well. My prayers are with you.
LoudounLib @ 249
Not unless you want your monitor to burst into flames! He truly is a repellent individual, even his son, Lachlan, found him impossible to work with and left News Corp to start his own business.
TexBetsy @ 279
Mmmm … Lemon Meringue Pie is my fav., thanks Betsy !!!
TexBetsy @ 268
Great news, TB!
TexBetsy @ 250
No, we were just wondering where you were! Welcome! Here in Hawaii, its about time for my dinner. What’s cooking tonight?
Bob in HI
P.S. If Cassie has retired for the night, please convey my 272, which attempted to answer her @ 110.
LoudounLib @ 210
I’m so happy, but still can’t find it on CNN, which somebody (Teddy) reported.
A Classic!
Hold Your Head Up (live) – Argent
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXYiPPlXiM8
things come undone @ 134
You should be a very happy fellow (or gal) if the mods choose to take this post down before some AUSA or SEC Enforcement Division staffer somewhere reads it.
OHHH YES, The Aussies have arrived !!!
G’Day, care for a Golden Throat Charmer? *g*
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Geez Petro, I had to google that! The joke is that I don’t think I know any Aussies who actually drink Fosters!
persiflage @ 300
LOL, wonder what your first thought was on reading that.
TexBetsy @ 268
Yay!!! (Doing Snoopy dance)
Good news!!!
Bob in HI
persiflage @ 300
I knew an Ausie here in the States who said Fosters was Australian for Budweiser. Never touched the stuff.
LOL, wonder what your first thought was on reading that.
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I thought you were talking about Warney again.
TeddySanFran @ 283
Is it? Sorry, I didn’t know.
Bob in HI
burnspbesq @ 299
If Bush wouldn’t save his “Kenny Boy ” at Enron who nobody heard of will Bush lift a finger to help Rupert?
persiflage @ 304
We’re on the next thread – Late Late Nite Party
kristine @ 254
Totally disagree with you, Teddy.
kristine @ 303
I had Fosters once … could not believe it was the best Aussie beer, but I guess I’ll have to find out whenever I visit the Land of Bradman.
“The Omaha World-Herald, based in Omaha, Nebraska, is the primary daily newspaper of Nebraska as well as portions of southwest Iowa. It is the largest employee-owned newspaper company in the United States.”
If that was a hint, a subpoena is an invitation :)
burnspbesq @ 299
things come undone, let’s post the concept to indymedia.org sites across North America .
I love targeting megacorps’ bottom line – through product boycotts.
The Forest Protection movement has done it successfully for years.
Megacorps hate and fear it, so their servants spin all manner of threats about this effective weapon.
Cause they believe in the free market, doncha know?
Oh – Burns, the California Medical Board’s web site wil give you my mailing address for the subpoenas. Better yet, please send the investigators.
The upper 0.5% reward faithful service – but somehow I think you already know that.
Bully.
Burns – I’m in – I’m posting the idea on Indymedia.
When will you send the AUSAs?
I’m waiting.
Bully.
Now I’m going to spread the idea as far as I can.
Sleep well, Officer of the Court.
Do check in that Constitution from time to time
Maybe your future threats will be less risible.
Bully.
Where in the Constitution? I think your overreacting “Caliiforna Medical boards” I assume you probably are talking to someone else? I find your post a bit confusing to be honest I’m not sure how to reply.
things, I actually support your idea –
things come undone @ 312
First Amendment.
I know many fine ethical people who have and will continue to use market boycott campaigns against megacorps precisely in orer to hurt corporate share prices and change corporate policy.
This powerful weapon changes corporate behavior – and the lie that those who use this powerful weapon need fear criminal prosecution is a great way to discourage citizens from using it.
I react very strongly whenever I see threats with the end result – and clear intention – to curtail speech and/or non-violent political work.
The more they threaten, the more I yell.
Keeps the First Amendment toobz open.
But once again – I agree with what you stated.
My disagreement is with the misleading threats I quoted.
Sorry feel feel free to spotlight this if you want I think your explantion deserves a post of its own. You had me worried their for a minute.
sorry things – I should have been more clear. I apologize.
the values you express here at the Lake rawk – and I learn from you!
no criticism of you intended, and I apologize for worrying you.
I’d love to spotlight, but I can’t figure out how to spotlight a comment. :{
PS – The part about the CA Med Board is a reflection of why I post and have done political/enviro activism under my name.
[This might seem unremearkable to those without EarthFirst! friends named Garlic, Orca, and Lichen.]
The false threats of criminal sanctions when we use our freedoms against the megacorps is an act of intimidation.
The point of citing the Med Board is to put the lie to the false threats.
Public ID with my legal advocacy affirms that boycotting megacorps with the stated intention of hurting sales to change corporate behavior is nothing to hide – it’s something to celebrate!
Again, sorry for giving you worry.]
note – late edit
TRex @ 54
Did she start the story out by saying “This one time….? At band practice?…..” ???
kirk murphy @ 315
Kirk its all good! you have backed me before and I appreciate it I like your energy your always willing to stand up for what you believe. God knows I write confusing comments now and then!
Murdoch will fund raise for Hillary because he knows he can whip his readership into a lather about her if she is the candidate and thereby sell more newspapers. Hillary would provide the best entertainment value.
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 151
I didn’t say they were. What I AM saying is that, so far as hard news goes, people read the NYT and the WaPO: the WSJ is what you read when you want to see how your stocks are going.
That’s what happens when cousins start marrying each other and nobody can be bothered to swim past their own shallow end of the country club’s gene pool. You sire a generation of Jonah Goldbergs.
TRex, you’ve been hanging around TBoggs’ blog so much, now you’re tossing barbs as sharp as his. “Late Night” is now my look-for feature at FDL.
-GFO