Next question on "don't ask, don't tell." Hillary happy to deal with this, to applause. Biden: Peter Pace is flat wrong;" Gays openly serve, and we need them, and it's not right to kick them out.
Any disagreement? We're seeing an advertisement for the Democratic Party, (except on Iraq — note we did not discuss Iran or Israel, or Russia, etc.) How will they distinguish themselves?
Edwards trying to make the point on leadership?
Funny question about how to use Bill Clinton. Bill appears to be getting several job offers tonight. Can't hurt Hillary, who doesn't need to say anything. Others simply focus on Bill's strengths, instead of the vulnerability he presents for Hillary if you take 10 years to write a 600 page book.
Richardson brings in Middle East policy and need to revise peace process — smart to use the Clinton question for that.
Response of the night so far: Hillary says we need to use all our Presidents to help us repair the damage of the last 7 years. Wonder how George 41 feels about that?
Gas prices: What would you do? (This is where they'll all sound silly.) Dodd links energy solution to global warming — just lost the coal vote. He advocates a carbon tax — a tough stand favored by many economists. His rebate proposal mirrors what economists were urging us in California 35 years ago.
Grampa Gravel says we need to grow up about high gas prices — it's really a lot more when you consider the costs of Middle East military adventures.
Usual from Edwards, Richardson, Biden rhetoric about price gouging, but they're probably not serious about this; they all seem to see the links between energy/warming/security. Shifting into part II of the debate. Back in a few minutes.
UDATE: Were staring part II, with questions from “undecided” voters from NH:
Q re Iraq: how to rebuild military? Dennis K: we need to end our occupation, and can’t end breaking Army till then. Any disagreement? Here we get into proposals to increase size of the military.
Obama focuses on extended tours and treating troops with dignity when they come home — Bush tried to do it on the cheap.
To Dodd — are there relics of the Cold War that can be cut? Responds we’re not listing to our military; all recognize responsibility to ensure security.
Q from a military mom: Why can’t veterans receive treatment at hospital of their choice? Obama says not all facilities have full services. Turns the question: Discusses VA ability to negotiate drug prices; and vets should get service at non-VA hospitals if VA not available. Richardson says he disagrees, but it’s not clear what about.
To Gravel on his experience from VA: — says he gets his meds from the VA — (smirking in the press room). Attacks Obama for not enough oversight of Walter Reed. Did he know about those problems? No.
Q on Iran: How to solve it? Force or diplomacy? Hillary says she’s concerned about Iran, and she’s pleased that Bush starting more diplomacy; need a process of engagement, just like we had with the Soviets. I keeps seeing a different Hillary — talking directly to the electorate with a of confidence, as long as she doesn’t have to explain her prior votes.
Edwards asked more pointed: would you use force to prevent nuclear Iran? Carrots and sticks — and the sticks are sanctions. Wolk asks about military threats? No responsible president can take it off the table.
Biden says, “give up on policy of regime change.”
UPDATE: 8:45:
What about Pakitan? Hillary says Wh not listening to her advice about strengthening that regime and recognizing his dilemmas.
Blitzer asks Dennis K about killing civilians — he needs to ask this of all. Obama ducks the question by focusing on OBL — “you take him out” — and not the civilians. Good, show of hands. All say tit’s okay to kill civilians, but Hillary says we can do it as long as there is “not a tremedous amount of collateral damage.” God help us. Only Dennis K kept his hand down, I think.
Q about Darfur: What should US do? Biden calls for no-fly zone. Another raise hands: use militayr force to stop genocide? Hillary wants a clarification. She’s telling them all how to be President.
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Arrgh, Teddy, Congrats!!! :P
Boring when they all give the same basic answers on energy.
Richardson defending gas companies?
hey scarecrow, how’s the spin room?
Richardson: Apollo program for clean energy. Absolutely.
Biden — take away the oil companies’ subsidies, investigate them
Richardson on the Apollo.
Good for him. The Apollo Alliance is the way to go!
all of those who say the Justice Dept should investigate the oil companies – get a clue!
Biden, take away oil subsidy. Justice department investigate price gouging.
Part two! Audience questions.
Part Two — audience participation!
TeddySanFran @ 7
They must be in full spin mode by now!!!
Half time!
ooooh, Andy!
I don’t get why CNN doesn’t use the News Ticker during the debate… they could include quotes from the debate intermixed with news about Paris Hilton.
this is excellent — thanks for the live-blogging! just getting in from work and watching the debate
color commentary time. BORING
This is fun! I’m alternating between here and over at Atrios’ place. Two, Two, Two times live-blogging!!
Yes, I’m a nerd.
Oh barf, the cadaver Larry King talking head now…
Julie Waters @ 18
or about the fact that Scoots is going to be sentenced on Tuesday. Fitzmas comes again!
Larry King?
Are you kidding me?
Larry &$^@ King?
i’ve got a series of liveblogging comments on previous thread and will now come over here. they are on 3 minute break
I am anti-war, left wing?
John King sez the candidates are trying to answer the anti-war wing of the Democratic party. Is there another wing I am unaware of?
Could we please lobby for Olbermann to moderate one of the Dems’ debates?
These crapped-out moderators really detract from the event.
RevDeb @ 20
yeah, but that’s because they want a fight, and what they’re seeing is a fairly unified party. The Republicans will not be happy watching this.
Candy Crowley sez Hillary the frontrunner staying above the fray. How much does Candy make for this insight?
TeddySanFran @ 26
A teeny tiny wing with 2 or 3 people in it.
According to the DoddClock http://chrisdodd.com/blog it looks like Dennis Kucinich has gotten the least amount of talk time. Too bad, I like Dennis, and he has a lot to say.
Mauimom @ 28
And we expected something else from Faux Fox, aka CNN?
Most here seem to think Edwards is winning, but the only attacks on Obama (other than Gravel’s blanket bombs) have been from Edwards and Obama shot them both down handily. The first, on Iraq, resulted in Edwards essentially having to admit he was wrong.
I know after seven years of Bush, admitting you’re wrong is refreshing. But after you try to shoot somebody down in a debate… that’s not when you want to be explaining why you were the one who was wrong.
The second attack, on Health Care, was too esoteric to be effective. And Obama appeared to answer it well.
Edwards’ answer to reduce gas prices by investigating the companies is just silly.
Just my opinion, but I think Obama has been doing quite well. Particularly the way he refuted Wolf’s question about English.
Wow-I agree with Larry King. All of them DO sound good. I’m proud to be a Democrat right now.
Did someone tell us who “Miss Laura” is? [EPU]
Is CNNN the only network carrying this? MSNBC doesn’t seem to be, nor the big 3 broadcast networks. I haven’t and won’t check FOX.
Well I’m into this thing for a bit over a half hour. And I’m not angry yet. That’s something, isn’t it?
Obama’s winning the debate because he’s the tallest.
Andy calling out JE for referring to Hillary as Hillary, while he calls the rest Senator or Congressman. This is the level of junior high school triviality Al Gore’s book is about, Anderson.
We’re not getting the “color commentary” in media room; just the state with no sound. The candidates are sittle down and chatting with each other. The look relaxed.
TeddySanFran @ 30
WAY WAY too much. (stops from making catty comment)
Arrgh, I’m torn in my allegiance, rubber match of the BoSox/Evil Empire, and the Dem. Debate!!! Decisions, decisions….
Mauimom @ 35
MissLaura is the DKos diarist who’s live-blogging the debate over there right now…
We see you Scarecrow! Just don’t know which one is you.
RevDeb @ 33
FWIW, Wolfie gets to moderate the Repub debate on Tuesday as well so will be interesting to see how he deals with them after tonight’s showing. This per Union-Leader web site.
Actually… I really like Kucinich.
can someone enlighten me, please? Who is this miss laura scarecrow is sitting with?
Mauimom @ 35
Dkos frontpager, live-blogging over there.
Who the hell is the “Anti-War” community? I know very few Democrats who are conceptually anti-war, but there are a lot of us who are anti-occupation.
Candy C is making me want to turn off the teevee.
CTuttle @ 43
This is why God invented TiVo.
I’m with ya: BoSox forever.
Scarecrow @ 29
That seems to be Wolfie’s goal to provoke a fight…
dakine01 @ 46
Did someone say softball lobbing exercise? How about kiss up and happy talk? That’s what I expect from him tues.
egregious @ 25
you really are a doll!
Wife of Iraq-serving soldier up now, schoolteacher with a question.
DK: this country has to end its OCCUPATION of Iraq.
Yea, Dennis!!!
Mauimom @ 51
Actually PinP!!!
Kuchinich, offer no bill. To rebuild cut funding because small percentage goes to troops.
Julie Waters @ 50
Bingo
RevDeb @ 54
It would be nice if afterwards someone held Wolfe down and forced him to recognize and admit his biases. A compare of the two mod jobs would be ideal to force the issu. Olberman? Side-by-side like the AGAG statmenets?
Obama, tours are too lengthy. When they come home they need to be treated with dignity.
Wait, why is Wolfie asking questions now?
dakine01 @ 62
good idea!
Dodd, Everyone appreciates the troops. We’re not liste4ning to our senior military leaders. No one should be elected if their priority is not safety and security.
Not a bad question, but why was that local anchorwoman making the questioner into a human-interest piece. Stay on topic lady (uhhh, the people standing around, answering questions, it’s a debate!).
Dodd is really impressive. He kinda reminds of what JFK might be like now, if he’d lived. Of course, JFK would be about 100 I suppose…
TeddySanFran @ 64
because he’s a media whore.
This has been another addition of simple answers to simple questions.
TeddySanFran @ 64
Because we the peeps are too stoopid to ask intelligent q’s, duh.
jennifer from audience elementary teacher Manchester husband soldier in iraq: finish mission bring guys gals home Q what vision ending military operations rebuild military
kucinich thank you and family serving country must end occupation iraq congress must not provide money this war has degraded our service ability peace is way to reflect our strength not military being misused work w world community in cooperation
Q rebuild stretched military
kucinich: tighten military spending 25% $97B but only small fraction to troops end US commitment as instrument of diplomacy
Q increase military cost billions of dollars?
obama difference pentagon budget and size military cold war. make certain troops not going on repeated lengthy tours provide support on ground and cant do currently and welcome home treat w dignity and honor they deserve this admin has not, they have done on the cheap stress disorder disability payments denied i have plans to deal w that
dodd whatever disagreements allapplaud our men and women in military we’re not listening to senior military who tried as during cold war need reassessment priorities no ones going be elected pres unless we feel they are keeping us safe and secure. that is principal responsibility but to do that not first arrow in the quiver but utilize other resources, this has not happened this administration for the 21st century military needs of our nation
Cut the big ticket items? Duh, ya think? “Star wars missle defense” has wasted billions and will never work.
looks like they won’t let Gravel sit too close.
Probably a good idea – he actually *could* bite someone….
TeddySanFran @ 68
90 last week
social worker with son in Iraq. Why is it that veterans cannot get service in the hospital of their choice?
Yes. Cut the F-22. 110 million per plane, IIRC.
Mom of serviceman: Why can’t vets get services at the hospital of their choice?
This is NOT a war. It’s a chaotic occupation.
suggested talking points:
– the next president, who will be one of us, will end w’s disastrous war, and can count on the support of our colleagues and the country
– the next president, who will be one of us, will end w’s disastrous on foreign policy, energy, climate change, health care, the economy …. and can count on the support of our colleagues and the country
…. assume victory; work back from that
TeddySanFran @ 69
90
damn, eg, you make my fingers hurt just to look at your output!
TeddySanFran @ 68
JFK would be 90 – last week.
TeddySanFran @ 80
And its cogent too. Wish I could say the same thing about mine…
Obama totally screwed up this answer about the VA. Completely.
Shorter Obama: The reason your son has to go to the VA hospital is that the drugs are cheaper.
Horrible, horrible answer.
support the troops: bring them home ****now***
Richardson says under his healthcare system, vets could go anywhere for care.
Obama, should go to veteran hospital unless difficulty.
Richardson, any hospital. Cost of living raises.
Obama was dead wrong.
Q merrimack NH social worker i think husband served: why cant vets get medical care at hospital of their choice
obama we thank james for his service here in NH we dont have a full service system, injured must travel elsewhere efficiencies we can obtain in the VA system issues like prescription drug price gouging VA does a good job negotiating VA gets going thru system part of it medicare prescription drug bill that passed congress exempted negotiations for medicare. we have to have VA that serves everybody. some rural communities dont have adequate services for vets, we have to make sure there is a private hospital option
Q not just veterans hospital?
obama should be able to go to VA hospital unless difficulty accessing, hardship on family and then private hospital should be allowed
rich i disagree hero’s health care if any doctor any hospital VA doesnt offer that choice within 150 miles if they need what we have in our VA system is not cost of living mental health PTSD we do not help them need well funded VA health system make sure well funded and thanks to those serve
STFU Wolf
dakine01 @ 83
Gee, teddy, I thought you were about as co-gent as they come!
Gravel satisfied getting his meds through VA. Says Obama is on oversight committee. Asks if he knew it before the Priest piece.
Obama sez we’ve done lots of oversite.
GRavel: Gov’t has ALWAYS waged war agaisnt the veeterans!!! Obama, you’re on that committee, why did it take the WaPoo stories to get action?
Gravel!! Obama, you were on the committee. Did you know vet care was so Bad, or were you not paying attention?!
Obama, not funded properly. Who does the funding again, Barack?
I want whatever meds Gravel is on :)
There are some tears in the audience. These people are hurting. There is compassion being shown here tonight, rather than all the macho bulls**t with the repubs.
I was ashamed of all the ‘hooray for torture’ talk in the repub debate. This is much better.
no one has proposed doubling the size of Guantanamo yet? What kinda debate is this?
Obama: we visited troops at med facility which did great work. Priest story on out-patient which was not so much good.
Q you served in the korean war you get your meds from the VA?
A gravel: sen obama who is on the committee for oversight, do they do oversight before they read in wapo, before see about scandal at walter reed
obama we’ve done a lot of oversight forced the admin to put money into VA
gravel tries to interrupt obama overcomes
obama need additional 2B$ for services for troops coming home. admin says not needed but 6 mo later we do in fact need this. trying to keep costs down. costs not fully factored in we have a sacred obligation toward veterans. i visited walter reed repeatedly, medically good work but outpatient disastrous. need to make it easier for vets and families to negotiate the system
Q hanover NH question about iran
TexBetsy @ 31
You forget about the DLC so soon? ;-)
jayt @ 98
:) the better kind.
Polly, retired: How would you approach Iran, force or diplomacy? If diplomacy, how?
I’m about 12 miles away from the debate site. I want to drive over and throw some old lunchmeat at Wolf.
-GSD
oops, sorry dakine01, wrong attribution.
Hill is pleased the admin is talking to Iran.
Give no quarter, Hill. Do not give BushCo credit for anything.
Mommybrain @ 105
salright… ;})
GSD @ 104
I’ll pay for the eggs and tomatoes!
wolf: what if diplomacy fails?
(wants some wartalk)
Hill made a funny.
They sent Darth to do diplomacy!!!!
Clinton, our diplomacy has been horrible for the last 6 years. Richardson did a great job for my husband.
Wolf trying to get her to say war if diplomacy doesn’t work.
Says sending Dick Cheney is not the answer, audience laughs.
Hill: occasionalyy they send Dick Cheney, that’s hardly diplomatic in my book…
Hill lays it on Cheney and Rice. More, please.
TexBetsy @ 109
I’ve got some green baloney…
Edwards certainly can relate to the questioner..
edwards really speaks to the audience. He listens and he communicates.
Edwards talking about rallies in Tehran for America after 911. That is something you don’t hear much about.
TexBetsy @ 109
I was disappointed to hear Scarecrow was in a media room, I was hoping he could lob a few tomatoes for us.
Mommybrain @ 113
how about some gummy worms for good measure?
Edwards,diplomacy then sanctions. Wolf wants war talk again. No options off the table.
These people, Democrats, are not serious about the war on terror. None have repeated John Yoo’s assertion that the US president can put childrens’ nuts in a vice in order to stop terrorists.
I mean do they want terrorists to win?
-GSD
Edwardds says : Just ten more seconds…implies to Wolfie -STFU
After watching that I’m sorry to say that I’m starting to see why Bush/Cheney are always smirking.
oooh, Wolfie — missiles, targets, war war war
O God, Wolf asking a “24″ question.
Biden — Iran is a decade away from having a weapon.
More of this please
Everythingseemssoneat @ 123
In what sense? I don’t understand.
Biden: they’re not a year or two away from weapons, they’re a decade or more away. Not imminent threat. Let’s help make things work…
Obama has finally overtaken Wolf on the Dodd Clock
RevDeb @ 119
Y’all are positively Evil!!! ;-)
Q iran shd we use force or diplomacy?
hrc: very concerned about iran we should have been using diplomacy for number of years now starting to talk to iranians way overdue about nuclear program, prisoners, weapons across borders to use against our young men and women. in cold war we always talked to soviet union. in my administration diplomacy of the kind used by bill richardson for my husband with iran. iran’s having a nuclear weapon absolutely unacceptable but need to start w diplomacy to see what can be accomplished
Q and if it fails?
A this administration doesnt believe in diplomacy. rice gives speeches and cheney..hardly works in my view. need to use former presidents. make a clear assessment. many months to go before this administration is done
Q how far would you go to stop iran from getting a nuclear ?weapon?capability?
A edwards: iranian people rallied after 9/11 for us and long history of pro america. president european banking system carrots cant weaponize ASKS MORE TIME need to drive wedge beween iranian people who are pro american and their leadership
[egr—can WE do that here in the US????]
Q nuclear bomb target missles iran
biden do away w nuclear weapons and then we will attack? no. they [iran] are weak not a year or two they are decade away. government is weak important that nearly all refined oil there are much better ways than sanctions at the end of day they have missles i take it out
[announcer clearly not happy and grunting thru this response]
Q about Pakistan not being a democracy
Faculty at Univ. Alliance with Pakistan, why when not a democracy?
Wolfie just can’t find anybody who wants to bomb Iran, poor thing.
Why do they keep letting Hillary answer first?
jayt @ 98
I want them to be asked if they believe in evolution.
Wolfie “Throwing” questions to Hill. This is getting tiresome.
Is Wolfie tossing all the audience questions to Hil first?
One topic seriously missing is that of what to do about the Israeli-Palestinian situation.
solai @ 134
I want them to be asked if the Republican field is evidence against it.
clinton doing the best job of knocking the Bush Admin. She’s hot tonight.
Julie Waters @ 139
rhetorical question.
Q pakistan
hrc musharv has not moved toward democracy, removal chief justice. at same time we rely on him control tribal areas cross border afghanistan need focus like proverbial laser. i met with presidnt musharev how we can move forward w american interests keep pakistan from underming war against taliban fell on deaf ears in this administration
Q if we know where osama is can get within 20 minutes yes or not kill innocents what decide
A Kuc: a president who believes in peace wont use assassination as tool. osama ought to be held accountable international court of law
jeez, wolf gives the most horrific q’s to kucinich. He ought to be ashamed of himself.
it’s all war all the time with wolf.
Kucinich ruling out assassinating OBL, “if he is still alive”
Should go to international court, “as should anyone else who has caused the death of innocents”
Wolfie wants to see blood flowing like rivers and the smell of burnt flesh in the air!
Missiles, bombs, terrrrists!
Bring on the war screams Blitzkrieg Blitzer.
-GSD
time to refill the stinger glass.
Kuchinich, take Osama to court. When America stands for peace, we are stronger.
Loo Hoo. @ 141
She’s just flippin everything that’s been thrown at her and Bill: It’s all The Chimp’s fault…which it is.
Now I get it. Blitzer thinks real news comes from the movie “True Lies.”
Wolfie with yet another hypothetical question
Obama: “you take him out.”
That’s gonna give wolfie some wood.
Obama is blowing it.
Loo Hoo. @ 142
She has been good going after Bush tonight.
that was kucinich
“i dont believe in assassination politics
obama i dont believe in assassination. osama has declared war on us killed 3K people if you have military target you take him out you do it swiftly. in afghanistan we were distracted and let this slip away pakistan and various problems in region our presence in iraq is weakening our position if people in pakistan believe we our occupying force
Obama pronounces Pakistan correctly.
Glad I’m not watchin- Candy Crowley and Wolfie both make me puke. Candy Crowley crawled right up Clusterfuck’s asshole an died- Candy Crowley — SENIOR political correspondant–BLLLAAAAAAAHHH!!!
Raise your hand — would you kill innocent civilians?
When does the pie fight start?
raise your hand if you’re sure…
STFU wolf
teddy. u’ve got mail
I thought Saddam was the problem.
I want to hear one of ‘em, I don’t care which one, say about these 24 questions… this is a stoopid question. What, are you 12 years old? Kuchinich came closest.
Yay, Hill did too!
clinton doing the best job of knocking the Bush Admin. She’s hot tonight.
… former first lady/us sen/pres cand hot
I hope they are asked the torture question. America needs to hear the argument against torture. Although, in fairness McCain tried.
Would you take out Osama if innocent civilians would be hit raise your hands:
All slap wolfie down on that, hypotheticals not valid…
Clinton scolding Wolf. He toned it down! Love it!
Edwards goes back to the original audience question – -good for him.
Wolf: What if Al Qaeda formed an intergalactic mutual war treaty with the Klingons and Ming the Merciless. Would you support blowing up the moon in order to fight them over there?
-GSD
another wolf raise hand thingie
hrc clinton my husb did send missles bin laden already showed hostility toward US if we could do w/o collateral damage knowing what a weighty responsbility this is
edwards answer orig Q reconcile musharef w lib democracy we’re for democracy respect rights of all inclu minorities possible i met w musharef few years ago if he goes out of power radical islam in pakistan no way to know what will happen
Q crisis in darfur 400,000 killed millions w/o food shelter what role US
GSD @ 169
LOL Don’t give him any ideas ; )
Darfur — Biden sez we’ve got to stop TALKING about it.
GSD, LOLOLOLOLOLOL – oops, 707!!!!
GSD @ 167
707
Psychologist ask about Darfur. What should US do?
Biden, No fly zone if UN will not move. Biden went into camps. Stop talking and act. Good for him/
raise your hands kiddies.
Raise your hand isn’t working too pretty good.
they are all on wolf now with his raise your handsssss………
wolfie losing it on the Darfur quesiton…
Right on Hillary!
RevDeb @ 175
Can I go to the baffroom pleeze?
It’s about time they started refusing to raise their hands. Even I will give Hill points for this one!
getting all Springerish there for a minute. I hope Gravel throws a chair.
Hill — quit with the hypotheticals
Clinton’s calling out Wolf again and audience goes nuts!!! I love Hill tonight!
the whole panel just blew off Wolfie’s “raise your hand if…”
good on ‘em
“What if you woke up and discovered that YOU were Al Queda- and yer spouse and kids- all Al Queda- would you blow up yer own family and commit suicide ta make america safer?”"
Julie Waters @ 157
I think it just started and everyone’s aiming at Blitzer!
hrc just shut down the hypotheticals
good for her
Why do the corporate hacks such as Wolf, ask hypothetical questions, but real people ask real questions?
Wolfie’s next hypothetical:
If Al Qaeda worked in conjunction with Wile E. Coyote, would you support painting a hole on the floor of a canyon so they would all fall into the hole and die a cartoon like death even if there were a bus full of blind children carrying puppies and singing ‘We are the World’ heading for the hole?
-GSD
Hil gets nice applause for wolfie slapdown on hypotheticals. President needs REASONED approach. Hypotheticals not productive…
Poor Beard.
TexBetsy @ 179
no, you have to write that on a note and pass it over to Condi for permission.
Richardson — we need a foreign policy that cares about Africa: AIDS, rape, gender crime
mentions Olympix
CNN has Arianna and Mike Murphy – 2 Hillary haters – doing their broadband commentary. Nice.
Too bad for them, she’s kicking ass. Loved her smack-down on stupid Wolfie hypocriticals, er, hypotheticals.
Dodd just called him Wolfie… LOL!
GSD @ 188
ROTFLMAO
GSD @ 190
GSD on fire ;-)
I think we should boycott a Chicago Olympics if Mayor Daley doesn’t send the CPD to quell the violence in Darfur.
What a great debate compared to the republicans. They are respecting each other.
Edwards: America no longer has the moral authority to lead on Darfur.
JE — USA no longer has the moral authority to lead, b’c of Iraq.
leslie @ 178
he he he he
GSD @ 188
707! Keyboard casualty!
Is it safe to assume the Clintons and Bushes will be going out for an after debate dinner with Rupert Murdoch and Larry Silverstein?
dakine01 @ 198
bingo.
Yay Barack! morality, Gitmo !
Obama on moral claim: Gitmo, habeas.
Obama hitting on Guantanmo and habeus corpus! MORE PLEASE!!!
Julie Waters @ 187
I love that image!
Biden getting hot again.
Biden voice rising again…
hmmmm clinton sounding good right now
biden in capital sudan government not allow happen they have forfeited their sovereignty need no fly zone need troops take out regime tomorrow need stop talking act UN sec
Q raise hand [egr—Im getting really, really sick of the kindergarten thingie] move on to other options
hrc not hypotheticals APPLAUSE
Q use force save people darfur
rich i was there got a fragile cease fire save darfur coalition need more UN peacekeepers need economic sanctions need china which has enormous leverage maybe we wont go olympics need policy that cares africa america should care africa and we dont
[egr—I got sound distortion during his answer. /tinfoil off]
dodd tools available china other more cooperation remind importance utilize tools stop olympics? no
edw we should use whatever tools available i applaud obama and richardson being out there but america no longer has moral authority to lead in the world AIDS primary school education
obama we will continue see problem in ungoverned spaces how get international forces our legitimacy guantanamo habeas corpus moral claims broader universal why so importrant
dodd ? Q crosstalk not good olympics
biden we must act save hundreds of thousands of lives guarantee we have capacity no fly zone SHOUTING and APPLAUSE
Take it back, Biden shaking finger at Hill for some problem he had with Bill.
Biden is trying to make up in volume what he lacks in time.
Biden needs to speak up a little more – is he mumbling?
Biden: Janjaweed.
Obama: I quit that stuff.
-GSD
Wolfie looking for a “boycott-Olympix” story outta this debate. Richardson sez consider it.
teeboy @ 197
We need to quell the violence amd the poverty on the West Side before we get the Olympics in Chicago. IMHO
I think Gravel should share some of his meds with Biden, he clearly needs it.
Richardson:Maybe boycott China Olympics. HATE that answer.
Q boycott?
richardson: yes china purchases a lot of oil from sudan they have leverage they have not been strong sudan we dont need another military involvement iraq enough we lack moral authority to build internataional coalitions i would shut guantanamo abu ghraib secret prisons
Q high school 18 yr old
RevDeb @ 215
Yep
Richardson: first day I would shut down Gitmo/abu ghraib…
HS kid. Nice! mandatory service??
High school boy first vote: Mandatory service and if so how?
Q on mandatory service for youth
CyndiM @ 219
It would be nice.
Gravel – woohoo, mandatory service in exchange for edu.
Richardson is probably making preperations for another visit to Bohmenian Grove.
Gravel’s answer would result in everyone who wants college and can’t afford it. Wouldn’t include rich kids.
Excellent Mr. Gravel – we’ll keep those kids in college ’til they’re 40 with his plan. Anyone know of any keggers tonite?
Kucinich quotes JFK — service to tutor, help elderly, work on the environment.
Beard may have given up on the raise your hands.
Everythingseemssoneat @ 228
that’s an image i didn’t need. *g*
Thus far, I’m not impressed. There’s still a little time left though.
Q from just graduated HS: I spent year in Germany where son was speding year of mandatory service. Should we?
Gravel Yes
Kucinich: JFK. Make it mandatory defeats purpose.
Dodd: Wolfie expands to Rangel call for new draft: Dodd no draft.
GSD: That was sure a good one.
Q one yr mandatory service Germany
gravel if you want to volunteer for military fine. other program public service peace corps every year serve 4 years education free
Q mandatory?
kuc JFK ask not what your country can do for you. serve environment tutoring elderly hospital president in spite of people they’ll want to get involved
dodd i served as peace corps. president asked us something larger than ourselves v exciting time to be alive we dont need draft but i like the idea provide financial support looking staggering costs manipulating student loan program higher edu w/o life time of debt
shorter dems to wolf – STFU!! lmao
egregious @ 238
I liked both of those answers.
Q: How do you define “rich” when you talk about taxcut restoration?
Hillary just may have earned herself an invitation to next years Bilderberg conference with all that tough talk on terror.
Father of middle school daughters: Spare income goes to retirement/ college. Tax cuts for rich used for funding, what income level?
Obama, 250K
Repub snuck in for question: What is definition of rich?
Obama: I use 250K income level but we’re talking about just going back to rates in Clinton years. Everyone scared and wondering. New global economy benes not going across the obard. Give working people opportuntiy to save.
wolfie: give us a number?
Obama: I don’t understand the question. I gave the figure of 250k…
wolfie just now giving repug TPs….
Edwards, 200K
College for everyone. He and Eliz have done this. Volunteer 10 hours per week, they get to go. Addresses student debt upon graduation.
Q bedford self employed 2 daughters answer funding benefit rich what is definition of rich
obama wrt health care plan 250K year going back to tax levels marginal when bill clinton office larger story i hear across country folks are feeling hit from all sides trying to save next generation education own retirement own parent elderly gas prices our economic burdens and benefits not spread evenly next president priority some fairness in system tax code social security preserved working people opportunity save. chris made excellent point college education too expensive
Q wolf ?
obama something over 250K state tax breaks to folks who could least afford
are we spending money wisely if you are progressive you should be concerned about how we are spending
edwards roll back tax cuts high income kids college quick idea eliz and i put in place NC idea simple qual to be in college, tuition and books paid for have to work for crushing debt privately NC something do all over country
juslin @ 248
Maybe it’s Brit Hume wearing a Wolf Blitzer mask ; )
TeddySanFran- I know what you mean.
New thread.
“I’m gonna reach around you…”
Hope Cassie’s not watching…
LMAO – cozumel!!
Running huge deficits agian. Ya got a problem with that? If so, how do you fix?
Richardson: I’m a governor. Balance the budget. Constitutional amendment of budget, line item veto, close the tax holes for bidness sending jobs overseas…
ok financial talk loses me i’m afraid…..
Everythingseemssoneat @ 245
She’s the DLC nominee for Prez: why should next year’s Bilderberg break with tradition?
(went upstairs)
Email question? High-tech!!
Q married hair salon 2 children deficit income or spending
rich i’m governor balanced 5 budgets in clinton thank senator for nice words 100M $ war iraq domestic line item veto pay as you go get rid earmarks get rid corporate welfare you get tax credit take jobs overseas let insurance companies cost controls reduce deficit grow economy 1.8% instead of 1.3 solvency social sec 204? resolved jobs over prevailing wage economy grown
Q more dems raise taxes spending more of same
kuc dont borrow money fm china to fund war in iraq most people on stage here voted out of nafta wto workers rights human rights stop 800b trade deficit health for all when you have health care for fraction finally environment inspire new tech create new
email Q gather.com blogger !!!
dems vow to weed out corruptn wd you vow to veto all earmarks
Line Item Veto is a good idea, provided the vetoed sections are sent back to Congress for a vote.
Shorter Wolfie – Sen. Dodd – are you ever planning on running for office in Conn. again? If so, tell your state if they should get any money.
Shorter Wolfie – Gravel-guy, you have no current office – take a not so tough stand to shame everyone else.
dodd re earmarks as president discourage that behavior i wouldnt want to have a blanket approach for example katrina i wouldnt want rigid straight jacket. pay as you go budget 23 yrs ago w rare exception tax or spend pay for deficits are a problem public debt good news chinese are buying our debt bad news chinese are buying our debt fiscal policies fair practical pro growth ought to reflect our policies
gravel president line item veto comptroller invited candidates in for a briefing 50 trillion dollars gap you’re hearing all these great things special interests
uh ohhh gravel kicking ass right now
if only gravel had a prayer…..
Gravel—50 trillion dollars?
Senator Clinton–no free lunch.
Tax questions–benefits to the richolas.
Deal with the burden on the middle class.
Alternative minimum tax–
Raiding socsec fund
Good fireworks between clinton and Gravel.
hrc=clinton 6 years ago balanced budget and surplus no free lunch we’re going to have to do that hard work again. benefits bush tax cut v small proportion americans we need deal burden middle class alternt income tax reform
gravel 200m a year and youre all involved in this theyre doing it now
kuc most americans not aware interest groups oil iraq keeping not for profit real change amer country totally from groups that support people here
biden massive contributions pouring into the system earmarks middle of the night need public financial system that will change the earmarks
Q substitute? elementary teacher: circumstances when take office what would be your top priority first 100 days
edwards reestablish american moral authory in the world other less important huge issues energy global warming poor but single greatest responsibility equal diversity reestablish our which take america is strong but moral just our humanity all crucial
hrc bring troops home
money is needed for trhat proposal
kuch – WOW!!!
First 100 days – I would make start a national debate on the value of national debates.
OKK, they have to leave something for future debates.
hrc bring troops home
obama yes and health care
richardson education preschool for every american full day Kindergarten minimum teacher salary 40k our state went from 49th to 29th percentile need to teach science math americans need more complete education emphasis arts science civics universal education
biden end war iraq, need to diffuse possible war with iran and ? next president no margin for error, better be smarter than advisors
kucinich not war instead of diplomacy, cancel nafta, workers rights human rights
gravel turn to these people here they are part of the leadership they can end war now
dodd: restore constitutional rights NOW
wolf next, republican debate held july 23 charlestown youtube google partners anselm college union leader coverage now to anderson cooper
and egregious retires to soak her fingers with the hope that our country will survive and endure
Apropos of not much, or maybe Dems, Howie Klein is speaking to our Dem club in July. Not sure what he’ll talk about, but I’m sure it’ll be good.
Total time:
Biden – 7:58
Gravel – 5:37
Kucinich – 9:02
Clinton – 14:26
Richardson – 10:48
Obama – 16:00
Edwards – 11:42
Dodd – 8:28
Wolfie – 13:24
TeddySanFran @ 81
Ten years of piano lessons.
What can I say. Thank you.
Ugh. 13:15 lost on that wiener Wolfie?
Why can’t we see a debate format where the questions are given to the candidates and taped individually, they answer them, and they are played back for followup?
And with less input from bearded *ssholes.
Re: civics class – I graduated HS in DC, class of ‘70. Needless to say, there was a lot happening then – MLK, RFK, Vietnam. Riots/marches/major differences of opinion. We had a very lively class, great teacher – Wayne Bloomberg – who kept te discussions going without letting on that one side or the other had a better arguement. It was probably my favorite class. ‘Course, it was DC…
The debate was won by Obama hands down. Edwards tried his best to be relevant, but he can’t overcome voting for this war. He didn’t even read the NIE. Hillary has been a supporter of this war for sometime and only when the political winds have become gale force has she decided to be against this blunder of a war. She is living of the crumbs of her husband’s presidency. The rest of the candidates brought some interesting points of view, but they lack “it”.
I noticed that many of the candidates failed to actually answer some of the questions put to them. They either skirted around the issue, used the time to boast about some accomplishment totally unrelated to the question or ended up getting off on a completely different subject.
However, I was impressed with Hilary Clinton. She really listened to what was being asked, and answered every question directly and to-the-point. Bill Clinton had that ability also. It’s a great quality to possess if your going to lead a democracy.