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		<title>By: Ian Welsh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/the-view-from-the-third-world/#comment-736073</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian Welsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 22:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-735711&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;K Reinke @ 83&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Your not wrong here. Gov planning tends to failure -and the farther and more alien and indifferent the gov. then - the greater the failure. Nuf Said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The problem is - that you ( like so many ) miss the even more important basics of prosperity that no desk-bound ‘planner’ can ( or should I say HAS) addressed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The requirements for prosperity are&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) And this is FIRST and ABSOLUTE! Fail here and fail everywhere! There must be the cultural and legal permission for individual determination. The *right* to prosper  or to learn or to increase in dignity. At the very least  the right to try.&lt;br /&gt;
Sadly, much of the world refuses these rights to some or all - be it on the basis of gender or caste or clan. Well? If 3 or 10 or 51 percent of your population is ‘less then their best’ - what does that do to your ‘commonwealth’?  These places will fall behind - just as a relay team that kicked out half of their runners would.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) Security of person and property. I know - this sounds ‘conservative’ but I’m not just talking ‘law and order’ security. If you can’t harvest your fields for fear of warlords, or you can’t walk to school for fear or rapists - how can you prosper? Likewise, if you can’t trust that the house you build today will be yours tomorrow - why bother building? INVESTMENT - and I’m not just talking money - comes when people expect to be around for the rewards.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This - BTW - is a major cause of both cash drain and ‘brain drain’. Those who do manage to get a little something (be it money or skills ) will try to move it to safer and usually first-world areas.Of the two, I’d say the brain drain was the more damaging. How can a team win  if it’s ‘best players’  move to the other side?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3) Respect for the future. Reserving resources for ‘investment’ - not just commercial or industrial and personal. This can mean not over-grazing, or not strip mining. I can mean building roads and wells and houses.  It can mean educating a future generation. BUT! None of these will take place if the people making the decisions do not plan to BE THERE in the future - be they ‘colonials’ returning ‘home - or local politicos with their eyes on retiring to Switzerland.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4) Actual and local ‘democracy’. (Actually here I’d credit the libertarians for being closest.) The right to look some high level ‘expert’ in the eye and say “wild idea - but me and my friends - we don’t think so - go try this somewhere else”. Or - some have put it - “this is my bat and ball - so I’m playing the game my way.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d not get into a squabble here as to which of these are ‘progressive’ and which are ‘conservative’ (Given that my personal vote would be - none of the above. ) I’d not get into a squabble at all - because some things are just…. self evident.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do it this way - you get increasing prosperity.&lt;br /&gt;
Do anything else - fall back.&lt;br /&gt;
That’s just how it works.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Nah, I don’t miss any of that (the parts I agree with), I’ve even written some articles on that stuff. It just wasn’t the topic of this article and rule 1 of writing is “know what article you’re writing.”  I wasn’t writing the one you want me to write.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;In any case, Democracy isn’t necessary (more than one nation has modernized without it) and number 1 isn’t all that important, you can’t go through the first stages with half or more of your population as second class citizens - we know this, because almost every country that did it, did it that way.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Finally, central government intervention was key to industrial takeoff in more than one country, and it shouldn’t be though otherwise.  Libertarian economic ideas were most fully brought to fruition in Somalia, not in any industrial state, not even city states like Singapore or Hong Kong.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s more than one model that allows for takeoff, and some of them are reasonably laissez-faire, but some of them are quite controlled (not communist controlled, but certainly with a huge role played by central governments.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-735711"><em>K Reinke @ 83</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Your not wrong here. Gov planning tends to failure -and the farther and more alien and indifferent the gov. then &#8211; the greater the failure. Nuf Said.</p>
<p>The problem is &#8211; that you ( like so many ) miss the even more important basics of prosperity that no desk-bound ‘planner’ can ( or should I say HAS) addressed.</p>
<p>The requirements for prosperity are</p>
<p>1) And this is FIRST and ABSOLUTE! Fail here and fail everywhere! There must be the cultural and legal permission for individual determination. The *right* to prosper  or to learn or to increase in dignity. At the very least  the right to try.<br />
Sadly, much of the world refuses these rights to some or all &#8211; be it on the basis of gender or caste or clan. Well? If 3 or 10 or 51 percent of your population is ‘less then their best’ &#8211; what does that do to your ‘commonwealth’?  These places will fall behind &#8211; just as a relay team that kicked out half of their runners would.</p>
<p>2) Security of person and property. I know &#8211; this sounds ‘conservative’ but I’m not just talking ‘law and order’ security. If you can’t harvest your fields for fear of warlords, or you can’t walk to school for fear or rapists &#8211; how can you prosper? Likewise, if you can’t trust that the house you build today will be yours tomorrow &#8211; why bother building? INVESTMENT &#8211; and I’m not just talking money &#8211; comes when people expect to be around for the rewards.</p>
<p>This &#8211; BTW &#8211; is a major cause of both cash drain and ‘brain drain’. Those who do manage to get a little something (be it money or skills ) will try to move it to safer and usually first-world areas.Of the two, I’d say the brain drain was the more damaging. How can a team win  if it’s ‘best players’  move to the other side?</p>
<p>3) Respect for the future. Reserving resources for ‘investment’ &#8211; not just commercial or industrial and personal. This can mean not over-grazing, or not strip mining. I can mean building roads and wells and houses.  It can mean educating a future generation. BUT! None of these will take place if the people making the decisions do not plan to BE THERE in the future &#8211; be they ‘colonials’ returning ‘home &#8211; or local politicos with their eyes on retiring to Switzerland.</p>
<p>4) Actual and local ‘democracy’. (Actually here I’d credit the libertarians for being closest.) The right to look some high level ‘expert’ in the eye and say “wild idea &#8211; but me and my friends &#8211; we don’t think so &#8211; go try this somewhere else”. Or &#8211; some have put it &#8211; “this is my bat and ball &#8211; so I’m playing the game my way.”</p>
<p>I’d not get into a squabble here as to which of these are ‘progressive’ and which are ‘conservative’ (Given that my personal vote would be &#8211; none of the above. ) I’d not get into a squabble at all &#8211; because some things are just…. self evident.</p>
<p>Do it this way &#8211; you get increasing prosperity.<br />
Do anything else &#8211; fall back.<br />
That’s just how it works.</p>
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<p>Nah, I don’t miss any of that (the parts I agree with), I’ve even written some articles on that stuff. It just wasn’t the topic of this article and rule 1 of writing is “know what article you’re writing.”  I wasn’t writing the one you want me to write.  </p>
<p>In any case, Democracy isn’t necessary (more than one nation has modernized without it) and number 1 isn’t all that important, you can’t go through the first stages with half or more of your population as second class citizens &#8211; we know this, because almost every country that did it, did it that way.</p>
<p>Finally, central government intervention was key to industrial takeoff in more than one country, and it shouldn’t be though otherwise.  Libertarian economic ideas were most fully brought to fruition in Somalia, not in any industrial state, not even city states like Singapore or Hong Kong.</p>
<p>There’s more than one model that allows for takeoff, and some of them are reasonably laissez-faire, but some of them are quite controlled (not communist controlled, but certainly with a huge role played by central governments.)</p>
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		<title>By: K Reinke</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/the-view-from-the-third-world/#comment-735711</link>
		<dc:creator>K Reinke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your not wrong here. Gov planning tends to failure -and the farther and more alien and indifferent the gov. then - the greater the failure. Nuf Said.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The problem is - that you ( like so many ) miss the even more important basics of prosperity that no desk-bound ‘planner’ can ( or should I say HAS) addressed.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The requirements for prosperity are&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;1) And this is FIRST and ABSOLUTE! Fail here and fail everywhere! There must be the cultural and legal permission for individual determination. The *right* to prosper  or to learn or to increase in dignity. At the very least  the right to try.&lt;br /&gt;
Sadly, much of the world refuses these rights to some or all - be it on the basis of gender or caste or clan. Well? If 3 or 10 or 51 percent of your population is ‘less then their best’ - what does that do to your ‘commonwealth’?  These places will fall behind - just as a relay team that kicked out half of their runners would.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;2) Security of person and property. I know - this sounds ‘conservative’ but I’m not just talking ‘law and order’ security. If you can’t harvest your fields for fear of warlords, or you can’t walk to school for fear or rapists - how can you prosper? Likewise, if you can’t trust that the house you build today will be yours tomorrow - why bother building? INVESTMENT - and I’m not just talking money - comes when people expect to be around for the rewards.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This - BTW - is a major cause of both cash drain and ‘brain drain’. Those who do manage to get a little something (be it money or skills ) will try to move it to safer and usually first-world areas.Of the two, I’d say the brain drain was the more damaging. How can a team win  if it’s ‘best players’  move to the other side?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;3) Respect for the future. Reserving resources for ‘investment’ - not just commercial or industrial and personal. This can mean not over-grazing, or not strip mining. I can mean building roads and wells and houses.  It can mean educating a future generation. BUT! None of these will take place if the people making the decisions do not plan to BE THERE in the future - be they ‘colonials’ returning ‘home - or local politicos with their eyes on retiring to Switzerland.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;4) Actual and local ‘democracy’. (Actually here I’d credit the libertarians for being closest.) The right to look some high level ‘expert’ in the eye and say “wild idea - but me and my friends - we don’t think so - go try this somewhere else”. Or - some have put it - “this is my bat and ball - so I’m playing the game my way.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’d not get into a squabble here as to which of these are ‘progressive’ and which are ‘conservative’ (Given that my personal vote would be - none of the above. ) I’d not get into a squabble at all - because some things are just…. self evident.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Do it this way - you get increasing prosperity.&lt;br /&gt;
Do anything else - fall back.&lt;br /&gt;
That’s just how it works.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your not wrong here. Gov planning tends to failure -and the farther and more alien and indifferent the gov. then &#8211; the greater the failure. Nuf Said.</p>
<p>The problem is &#8211; that you ( like so many ) miss the even more important basics of prosperity that no desk-bound ‘planner’ can ( or should I say HAS) addressed.</p>
<p>The requirements for prosperity are</p>
<p>1) And this is FIRST and ABSOLUTE! Fail here and fail everywhere! There must be the cultural and legal permission for individual determination. The *right* to prosper  or to learn or to increase in dignity. At the very least  the right to try.<br />
Sadly, much of the world refuses these rights to some or all &#8211; be it on the basis of gender or caste or clan. Well? If 3 or 10 or 51 percent of your population is ‘less then their best’ &#8211; what does that do to your ‘commonwealth’?  These places will fall behind &#8211; just as a relay team that kicked out half of their runners would.</p>
<p>2) Security of person and property. I know &#8211; this sounds ‘conservative’ but I’m not just talking ‘law and order’ security. If you can’t harvest your fields for fear of warlords, or you can’t walk to school for fear or rapists &#8211; how can you prosper? Likewise, if you can’t trust that the house you build today will be yours tomorrow &#8211; why bother building? INVESTMENT &#8211; and I’m not just talking money &#8211; comes when people expect to be around for the rewards.</p>
<p>This &#8211; BTW &#8211; is a major cause of both cash drain and ‘brain drain’. Those who do manage to get a little something (be it money or skills ) will try to move it to safer and usually first-world areas.Of the two, I’d say the brain drain was the more damaging. How can a team win  if it’s ‘best players’  move to the other side?</p>
<p>3) Respect for the future. Reserving resources for ‘investment’ &#8211; not just commercial or industrial and personal. This can mean not over-grazing, or not strip mining. I can mean building roads and wells and houses.  It can mean educating a future generation. BUT! None of these will take place if the people making the decisions do not plan to BE THERE in the future &#8211; be they ‘colonials’ returning ‘home &#8211; or local politicos with their eyes on retiring to Switzerland.</p>
<p>4) Actual and local ‘democracy’. (Actually here I’d credit the libertarians for being closest.) The right to look some high level ‘expert’ in the eye and say “wild idea &#8211; but me and my friends &#8211; we don’t think so &#8211; go try this somewhere else”. Or &#8211; some have put it &#8211; “this is my bat and ball &#8211; so I’m playing the game my way.”</p>
<p>I’d not get into a squabble here as to which of these are ‘progressive’ and which are ‘conservative’ (Given that my personal vote would be &#8211; none of the above. ) I’d not get into a squabble at all &#8211; because some things are just…. self evident.</p>
<p>Do it this way &#8211; you get increasing prosperity.<br />
Do anything else &#8211; fall back.<br />
That’s just how it works.</p>
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		<title>By: Aeon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/the-view-from-the-third-world/#comment-735697</link>
		<dc:creator>Aeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 18:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;“Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” &lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;will give interested parties more information on just how it’s done.  Worth a read for those not aware of just how extensive this corruption is.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.&lt;br /&gt;
—Albert Camus&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em><b>“Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” </b></em>will give interested parties more information on just how it’s done.  Worth a read for those not aware of just how extensive this corruption is.</p>
<p><em><b>It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.<br />
—Albert Camus</b></em></p>
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		<title>By: phastphil</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/the-view-from-the-third-world/#comment-735397</link>
		<dc:creator>phastphil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;Also I hope people realize that coffee, bananas, and cotton the three worst crops for the environment!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: phastphil</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/the-view-from-the-third-world/#comment-735392</link>
		<dc:creator>phastphil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 15:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-734236&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Ian Welsh @ 36&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-734230&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;phastphil @ 32&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Chairman Mao’s program for micro (backyard blacksmith shops) steel mills back in the 50’s and 60’s looks pretty smart now doesn’t it. PBS in the late 70’s or early 80’s had a British program where the premise was to show how promoting micro industries to kick start 3rd world economies would work best. The World Bank was set up to rebuild post WW2 Europe not 3rd World Economies. Grameen Banks for these 3rd world countries would make more sense.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There was too much central control on that.  Grameen works because the individuals decide on what the business will be, with the help of their lending circle - all of whom are locals who know what the local economy will need.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Which isn’t to say there isn’t a place for central planning (though not of the 5 year plan type) but you have to be careful to incentivize what you want done without controlling how it is done by individuals.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Believe me I’m not saying Mao’s central planning is the way to go. I believe we would be much better off if we did the simple small things like helping locals with obtaining pure clean drinking water, disease prevention and education. These are not small things to those concerned, but if we take care of the little things the big economic issues will take care of themselves.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-734236"><em>Ian Welsh @ 36</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-734230"><em>phastphil @ 32</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Chairman Mao’s program for micro (backyard blacksmith shops) steel mills back in the 50’s and 60’s looks pretty smart now doesn’t it. PBS in the late 70’s or early 80’s had a British program where the premise was to show how promoting micro industries to kick start 3rd world economies would work best. The World Bank was set up to rebuild post WW2 Europe not 3rd World Economies. Grameen Banks for these 3rd world countries would make more sense.</p>
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<p>There was too much central control on that.  Grameen works because the individuals decide on what the business will be, with the help of their lending circle &#8211; all of whom are locals who know what the local economy will need.</p>
<p>Which isn’t to say there isn’t a place for central planning (though not of the 5 year plan type) but you have to be careful to incentivize what you want done without controlling how it is done by individuals.</p>
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<p>Believe me I’m not saying Mao’s central planning is the way to go. I believe we would be much better off if we did the simple small things like helping locals with obtaining pure clean drinking water, disease prevention and education. These are not small things to those concerned, but if we take care of the little things the big economic issues will take care of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: shootthatarrow&#62;&#62;&#62;</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/the-view-from-the-third-world/#comment-735192</link>
		<dc:creator>shootthatarrow&#62;&#62;&#62;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 11:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Has been a busy out and about Sunday for me and am coming across this thread very late as it is now evening here in SE Asia. Nice to see another entry here at fdl from Ian Welsh and it surely is a pertinent one from “the view” I get daily being in this fast changing part of the world where centuries old “ways” are being discarded ever faster and faster. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The tragic outcomes from all this ‘throwing away’ only now coming under more sober,deeper observation. What is possible and what is sustainable as we all proceed into the 21st century will not be what the last half of the 20th century revealed or attempted to put in place.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;   Here in SE Asia what is possible for sustainable cultural,ecological and economic living likely does not fit in very well with Fortune 500 thinking and the short term wealth generation desires that thinking is laced with. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;   It is certain the top 10 percent of wealthy and well-off inhabitants of this planet cannot continue to subjugate the remaining 90 percent of the world’s population in order to support what is surely a more and more unsustainable scenario on the ethics and morals of or the economic/equity/societal playouts/payouts.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has been a busy out and about Sunday for me and am coming across this thread very late as it is now evening here in SE Asia. Nice to see another entry here at fdl from Ian Welsh and it surely is a pertinent one from “the view” I get daily being in this fast changing part of the world where centuries old “ways” are being discarded ever faster and faster. </p>
<p>The tragic outcomes from all this ‘throwing away’ only now coming under more sober,deeper observation. What is possible and what is sustainable as we all proceed into the 21st century will not be what the last half of the 20th century revealed or attempted to put in place.  </p>
<p>   Here in SE Asia what is possible for sustainable cultural,ecological and economic living likely does not fit in very well with Fortune 500 thinking and the short term wealth generation desires that thinking is laced with. </p>
<p>   It is certain the top 10 percent of wealthy and well-off inhabitants of this planet cannot continue to subjugate the remaining 90 percent of the world’s population in order to support what is surely a more and more unsustainable scenario on the ethics and morals of or the economic/equity/societal playouts/payouts.</p>
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		<title>By: moose</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/the-view-from-the-third-world/#comment-734937</link>
		<dc:creator>moose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 06:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oh dear, it was so much easier back in the day: just trust to the United Fruit Company and gunboat diplomacy.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Now the world is more complicated and we’re drowning in alphabet soup. IMF and WB are only the tip of the iceberg - add in FEMA, DHs, TSA, DEA and every other plan that does not work.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But really, the killer virus arrived in 1913 with the Federal Reserve ~System~ and all the chickens have yet to come home to roost. What’s happening to third world countries, a subtle redistribution of value, will eventually arrive  at a community near you, us, We the People. But not the one percenters.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There’s no third world corruption that can come close to what our secret masters have achieved.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, it was so much easier back in the day: just trust to the United Fruit Company and gunboat diplomacy.</p>
<p>Now the world is more complicated and we’re drowning in alphabet soup. IMF and WB are only the tip of the iceberg &#8211; add in FEMA, DHs, TSA, DEA and every other plan that does not work.</p>
<p>But really, the killer virus arrived in 1913 with the Federal Reserve ~System~ and all the chickens have yet to come home to roost. What’s happening to third world countries, a subtle redistribution of value, will eventually arrive  at a community near you, us, We the People. But not the one percenters.</p>
<p>There’s no third world corruption that can come close to what our secret masters have achieved.</p>
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		<title>By: ken melvin</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/the-view-from-the-third-world/#comment-734545</link>
		<dc:creator>ken melvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Saw mention of the industrial revolution.  This is much bigger.  There ain’t ever again going to be enough jobs.  Not in Mexico, not in China, and certainly not here.  Mexico’s 30 million short and losing ground every day.  China’s 300 million short (yep, 300 million).  Soon as China’s 300 million get to work making stuff for Wal-Mart, the employment picture here will be rosy.  All this in a world that can produce more tha it can use with ever less labor.  Social democracies represent intelligent evolution, maintaining some parity betwixt the publics’interest and the interest of the wealthy.  Americans don’t believe in evolution, they believe in rebirth so for them it’s back into the womb of a past that never was.  Bon chance America.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saw mention of the industrial revolution.  This is much bigger.  There ain’t ever again going to be enough jobs.  Not in Mexico, not in China, and certainly not here.  Mexico’s 30 million short and losing ground every day.  China’s 300 million short (yep, 300 million).  Soon as China’s 300 million get to work making stuff for Wal-Mart, the employment picture here will be rosy.  All this in a world that can produce more tha it can use with ever less labor.  Social democracies represent intelligent evolution, maintaining some parity betwixt the publics’interest and the interest of the wealthy.  Americans don’t believe in evolution, they believe in rebirth so for them it’s back into the womb of a past that never was.  Bon chance America.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 02:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-734453&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;whig @ 75&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(ideology)&quot;&gt;Ubuntu&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes. And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct&quot;&gt;Ubuntu&lt;/a&gt; — the perfect example.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-734453"><em>whig @ 75</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(ideology)">Ubuntu</a>.</p>
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<p>Yes. And <a href="http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct">Ubuntu</a> — the perfect example.</p>
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		<title>By: whig</title>
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		<dc:creator>whig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 02:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(ideology)&quot;&gt;Ubuntu&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(ideology)">Ubuntu</a>.</p>
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