
(Picture is of a banana plantation .)
There are decent chunks of what used to be the third world that no longer are – the Asian tigers, the coast of China and parts of Malaysia, for example. Then there are parts of the third world, most notably in Africa, where things have just gotten worse and worse and worse. I grew up in the Aid world, my father worked for the United Nations, and I still remember his comment on colleagues working in Africa, “those poor bastards. Their entire life is bailing against a hurricane, watching the ship going under despite everything they do.”
There are a lot of reasons for that, and a lot of them are “made in Africa”, or South America, or Burma, or wherever. The US and the 1st world isn't responsible alone for world poverty, by any stretch of the imagination. Anyone who has had to deal with the stunning corruption and bureaucratic ineptitude of most 3rd world countries knows this very well. Yet, the fact is that most “development” of the 3rd world – most of the advice, often advice with a big stick, has been very bad for most countries that took it. The countries that got themselves out of undeveloped status didn't do it by following the advice of western development experts, quite the contrary. Instead of doing what experts told them to do, they found their own path, which in almost every case, was essentially mercantalism – protecting the internal economy and creating an export driven economy on manufactured goods by subsidizing manufacture in one way or another. It's the same way that the US industrialized in the 19th century, as far as that goes.
But we're not going to talk about the people with the sense not to listen to us. We're going to talk about the people who did listen to us – either because they assumed we knew what we were talking about, or because they had no choice.
Imagine you run a third world country back in the 60's or 70's. Most of your population is still rural. They live through subsistence farming and while they more or less feed themselves, they don't produce much that you can sell to the rest of the world, because even if you have a surplus, you can't compete with the rock bottom prices of highly subsidized and mechanized American and European farms. Your farms are very inefficient, they use a heck of a lot of people and per person produce very little. Maybe you have some mineral reserves or other resources, but you don't have the technology to get it out. Your manufacturing industry, if it exists, is so backwards that the 1st world doesn't want to buy anything you make.
But you want some hard currency. Why? Because there are things only hard currency can buy. Perhaps weapons if you're that sort of leader (or have some of them on your border). Perhaps medicine. Perhaps the machinery necessary to electrify your country. Perhaps construction equipment. Perhaps Swiss bank accounts, a chalet and expensive holidays. Whatever it is, if you want it, you have to buy it with dollars, or Pounds, or maybe Francs or you have to get an inferior version from the USSR by selling your soul. Assuming you don't want to be part of the Soviet block, and you do want those things – you need cash.
To get that cash you need to sell the 1st world something it wants. They don't want your food, they don't want your lousy manufactured goods. They may buy some handicrafts, but you don't have enough of those to make real money.
But you do have land.
And what the western economists tell you is “you sir, have a comparative advantage in certain cash crops”. (Or maybe, in certain minerals). It doesn't really matter what those cash crops are – they could be bananas, coffee, sugar, oranges or a number of others.
But there's a problem with cash crops – with very few exceptions you can’t produce large quantities of them with small, subsistence or near subsistence farms. You need larger farms with capital intensive investment. Especially if you want to take advantage of western high yield agricultural techniques. That means kicking those farmers off their land and since the new techniques need many less people, most of them will have to run to the cities.
Not being a complete idiot, you turn to the economists and say “how am I going to feed and employ these people once they can no longer take care of themselves?” And they turn back to you and say “you have a comparative advantage in cash crops. Based on current prices you'll make more than enough to buy food to feed your people plus invest in the economy to create jobs for many of them.”
So you go for it – either because if you don't, the banks will cut you off, or because you really do think that it's a wonderful way to modernize your economy. You borrow money, and you turn your farm sector from a largely subsistence one which produces a moderate surplus, into a cash crop industry.
Things don't go as planned for a number of reasons.
First and most importantly, you aren't the only one getting this advice. Seems that plenty of other countries have been too. And there are only so many commodities. Everyone's growing or digging up the same stuff. The market is glutted. The prices are collapsing. So you aren't making nearly as much money as all those experts predicted. And, in fact, what happened is that there was a 30 year general decline in most commodity prices, which only started to reverse in the new millennium And when you (and every other country on the same train) try to dig yourself out by growing more or digging up more, it just makes it worse. Woosh.
Secondly, since the displaced farmers, who have flooded into your cities, creating huge slums, can't feed themselves, you have to. But you aren't making the money you expected to, so either you can't quite afford to, or you can, but it uses up almost all the money and you have very little left for all that shiny “economic development” you wanted to do (none of which works anyway, because the “experts” don't have any more of a clue about that than they do anything else.)
Third – you've probably lost more economy than you've gained. Oh sure, your economy might be appear to be larger than before, because it's a cash economy, which can be measured, while a subsistence and barter economy mostly doesn't show up. So you've gained hard currency, but you've lost jobs, most of which will never be recovered. The multiplier effect (the number of jobs created to serve primary jobs) is damn near zero, because the fancy new plantations and huge farms use machines built elsewhere, run on oil pumped elsewhere, need to be repaired by expats who were trained elsewhere, the fertilizer comes from oversees and even the seeds probably even come from overseas.
In the meantime you’ve destroyed the livelihood not only of all the farmers, but the middlemen who distributed the food, those who sold the food, those who sold goods to the farmers and the local villages which depended on trade from the local farmers.
Fourth – and rather importantly in political terms, the displaced farmers have gone to the slums that ring almost every third world city and that are often larger than the city proper. Violence, disease and malnutrition is endemic, but they still manage to breed like mad, often doubling in population in less than 20 years. With no hope for the future in this mundane world many turn to fundamentalist religion and while they don't become terrorists themselves in large number, they form a reservoir of support for terrorists and guerrillas
So, at the end of the day, by following the advice of western experts you've destroyed your rural economy, gone from a country which could feed itself to a net importer of food, created huge slums around your cities, increased the instability of your country – and haven't modernized. And when it doesn't work, as it never ever does, what do you do? Well, probably, you go and try and get more loans to give you a chance to make it work – to modernize, to invest in your comparative advantage, and so on. The solution to failure, for some time, is to “try harder”. And westerners keep giving you the loans, but the conditions get harsher and harsher, till one day the IMF tells you you're going to be cut off unless you get rid of the things that are holding you back.
And no, they don't mean that you should stop with the cash crops, they mean that you need to go even harder into whatever industries create foreign currency (so you can pay back your loans) and you need to stop spending that foreign currency on anything that doesn't feed back into creating more foreign currency.
Like, say, food subsidies for the descendants of all those farmers who now live in your slums.
You can imagine how well that goes over, especially since, up until recently, most countries felt they had no choice but to go along and do it.
When citizens of third world countries talk about how the West in general, and America in specific, is keeping them down, this is much of what they're talking about. It's an economic system, which while sold as a benefit to the third world countries following the prescriptions, coincidentally worked out to provide very cheap commodities to the first world for decades, allowed quite a number of loans to be made and didn't lift a single country I can think of out of poverty.
Those loans were made with the aid of experts who made pretty explicit claims about how things would work out for the better. The common excuse is that “corruption” is why they failed, but even in countries where there was little corruption, they failed. The money was used to dispossess the local population of their land, to destroy local economies, in order to turn them into something that would produce foreign currency. Thirty years later the locals were worse off than they were before the loans were made and the advice was followed.
And today, most of those countries labor under loans they can never pay off, that the population never saw any benefit from, that enriched only a few. And those who understand what happened are bitter and those who don't understand still know that it didn't work out how they were promised. The bright shining future they were supposed to have, never happened, but they got stuck with the bill anyway.
And meanwhile, in Asia, countries that didn't follow this path – countries that built up industry behind trade barriers, didn't try and convert their farmland into cash crops – countries that rejected the advice of the western experts, who didn't accept the loans – they're the ones who have lifted themselves out of poverty. The lesson, one might say, is clear. Beware Westerners giving advice. It's not that the advice doesn't work out to someone's benefit, it's just that that someone isn't you.
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Steve!
I just want to point out to the moderators that Jane’s tribute to Steve Guillard seems to have disappeared.
Why are you running no stories on the JFK airport terrorist plot?
Yankee @ 3
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Cujo359 @ 2
It appears to be back.
Cujo359 @ 2
Thanks for the heads up. It’s back.
Yankee @ 3
Taylor Marsh has one. TPM has one, also.
So basically what we have is a form of western colonialism?
Thanks, RBG. I’ve linked to it from a couple of places ;)
On the subject of neo-colonialism, or whatever we’re calling the way we deal with the Third World, I’d say that it’s difficult to isolate one thing and say that’s the problem. One thing I noticed during my time in Korea was how much emphasis they’d placed on educating the population. There are many reasons that Korea has prospered, and one of them may be protectionism, but they wouldn’t be where they are if they hadn’t spent considerable effort making sure their children were educated. The Chinese seem to have followed a similar path. I may be oversimplifying, but I haven’t noticed a similar level of commitment in Africa generally.
And as you’ve observed, there’s the corruption issue. Getting things done in some parts of the world is pretty difficult thanks to institutionalized corruption.
Ian, great work.
IMF rules increase poverty and suffering – and trash the public sector.
Every time.
It’s not a bug – it’s a feature.
kirk murphy @ 11
I read not too long ago that one of the problems with much foreign aid has been that it comes with restrictions about where the money can be spent. In plain terms, it often insists that it be spent buying the products or services of the grantor.
In that form, it’s not exactly charity.
Is NAFTA and CAFTA relevant to the problem?
Very clever post!!! :P
What about the World Bank?
Yankee @ 3
There are too many stories about the terrorism of Bush and the neo-conservatives, that are more important. The terrorist stories from “Homland Security” are usually bogus, or based on torture interrogations.
It’s out in paperback now:
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man
Oklahoma kiddo @ 13
NAFTA and CAFTA are set up in such a way as to force countries to accept foreign investor buyouts and to protect investors. One of the direct results of NAFTA, for example, was that American companies bought up the tortilla industry and now dominate it. Prices have gone up significantly (even before the corn/ethanol fiasco) and the nutritional content has gone down.
“Free Trade” agreements are usually created in such a way as to force 3rd world countries to accept American IP laws as well, which is another flow of money from them.
And the investor protection (takings) laws written it make it very hard for 3rd world nations to regulate industries, since doing so in a way that costs investors money can be considered a taking, and can cost millions or billions.
However, most of what I’m talking about in this essay started well before NAFTA, let alone CAFTA.
Still, NAFTA, ironically, was an unmitigated disaster for Mexico.
Which part of this narrative is not happening here in this country right now?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 15
The World Bank and the IMF were the key players in this. They’re the ones, along with private bankers from the major banks (my father watched them selling loans in the 70’s during the oil boom) who gave the advice.
“Buy development! Borrow the money, follow our plan, and your new, much larger economy will easily be able to pay us back.
Sign on the dotted line, please.”
kirk murphy @ 11
The other neo-ism — neoliberalism — is the hallmark of development in the last 20 years. That global development assistance has become a tool that in many cases all but removes sovereignty from recipient countries cannot be in doubt.
It’s not a perfect comparison, but look at Brasil and Argentina. Argentina bought the neoliberal package lock, stock, and barrel — and when it failed, it failed spectacularly. Brasil, in spite of some significant impediments (racial and social discrimination, a horrific tendency towards violence) is building a very interesting, very different form of economic and social development. And they’ve done it by following their own path, much like the Asian tigers, India, and some of the former Eastern block countries.
The weight of reading this post, paragraph by paragraph, is truly depressing. It’s going to take years to dig out from underneath this terrible “advice.”
I’m so happy you’re writing this Saturday column, Ian. Your perspective is so sharp and well-informed.
So what are we going to call this column?
Ian Welsh @ 20
I had a six week internship at the Inter American-Development Bank back in the late 1970s. Our job was copying numbers from old loan documents onto forms so they could be entered into the computer. But only one of we interns spoke Spanish. Talk about garbage in, garbage out!
By the way, I took courses in college from T. Paul Schultz. That was so long ago…I wonder if you consider his work part of the problem, or part of the solution?
kirk murphy @ 11
Spot on Kirk and Ian. This is by design. And one of the major ways America is destructive to much of the rest of the world (and its own citizens as well).
Jane Hamsher @ 22
Depressionomics?
Mantra of Western “experts”:
Tru-u-u-st us.
At which point you should reach for your wallet and hold on for dear life.
Ian, this is all news to me. Thank you. As we well know, it doesn’t take third world status to invite corruption.
dakine01 @ 26
Noticed your question and comment over at HuffPo re: ‘questions for Gore interview’. ;0)
Ian Welsh writes:
The problem with the Western experts (besides looking out for the interests of the west and not of the interests of the individual countries), is that too many of them and their associated governments operated under the mind set that “we are the only experts who can tell you anything. If you do anything else, you are doing it wrong.”
What seems obvious from this post is the opposite. Those countries that did not follow the Western experts did it differently, not wrongly.
Great post, Ian!
Therein lies the rub, imho.
It is about currency.
and conducting life on their “terms”
Whether we’re talking about framing the debate on Iraq (terminology as currency)
or this wretched debtor’s economy (domestic and abroad)
We are enslaved until we come up with
another system that outmodes the previous one.
Then it’s not “current” anymore.
Interesting thoughts to debate:
(RE: guild socialist or social credit ideologies)
Michael Rowbotham. The Grip of Death: A Study of Modern Money, Debt Slavery and Destructive Economics. 1998, Charlbury, UK/Concord, Mass: Jon Carpenter Publishing
ISBN 1-897766-40-8
Oklahoma kiddo @ 28
Did it get in? After I wrote and posted, I tried to go back and see it and never saw it show up.
Chairman Mao’s program for micro (backyard blacksmith shops) steel mills back in the 50’s and 60’s looks pretty smart now doesn’t it. PBS in the late 70’s or early 80’s had a British program where the premise was to show how promoting micro industries to kick start 3rd world economies would work best. The World Bank was set up to rebuild post WW2 Europe not 3rd World Economies. Grameen Banks for these 3rd world countries would make more sense.
I don’t know enough about him to say. He was in some key positions at the time, but I don’t know if he was onboard.
A lot of people think that all the advice was given in bad faith. As “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” indicates, much of it was. But much of it wasn’t – many of the economists really did believe that they knew the way out. This is especially the case for later neoliberal policies (which, actually, aren’t the main focus of this piece), because “free trade” is always the way out to too many economists.
It’s only recently that people like Krugman have begun to point out that “free trade” is like most other things – how you do it matters, and like any other medice, it can be good at some times and places and bad in others.
The prescription I would give is that if you want development, you should look at what succesful countries did, and not listen so much to what they say. With the exception of city states, every nation that modernized after Britain did so with essentially mercantalist policies.
Jane Hamsher @ 22
Thank you Jane. Very happy to be here. Thank you for letting me have this spot.
“The View”?
Not sure, really, what a good name would be. I expect to swing back and forth mainly between economics (very broadly defined) and foreign affairs.
dakine01 @30…
“Did it get in?”
Don’t know. I was just browsing the questions. All thirty-six pages of them. Your’s was, I thought, very good. As usual. ;0)
phastphil @ 32
There was too much central control on that. Grameen works because the individuals decide on what the business will be, with the help of their lending circle – all of whom are locals who know what the local economy will need.
Which isn’t to say there isn’t a place for central planning (though not of the 5 year plan type) but you have to be careful to incentivize what you want done without controlling how it is done by individuals.
Thanks for the post. Very good!
This may sound cynical but the only way these nations are going to achieve a viable economy is to emulate the industrial revolution.
Cottage industry feeding local industries is a good start.
Locally made parts by a blacksmith can replace those that must be imported thus keeping the capital in the national economy. Foot powered sewing machines may be another viable addition to villages. Of course nothing will work unless children are being fed well and educated.
And this part is just fantasy, the first world nations would contribute one percent of GDP to help poor nations develop a home grown medical system. Clinics and hospitals built by local tradesmen would help stimulate local economies.
There’s a good rant on the World Bank and what it does to countries in (believe it or not) Sixty Days and Counting, by Kim Stanley Robinson. He says pretty much what you’ve said, and makes it sound like killing off the World Bank would be a really good idea.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 35
Thank you. When I ask something, I try to get it as simple and straightforward as possible. That way I’m better able to determine if i’m being shoveled a ration or something that I can build upon.
P J Evans @ 39
There were quite a few good rants in there, actually, and some interesting observations. I just finished that book a couple of nights ago, and I have to say that KSR is one of the best science fiction writers out there, in any medium.
For those interested, Sixty Days And Counting is the final book in a trilogy about climate change and how an enlightened society might face it. The first book in the trilogy is Forty Signs of Rain. The first two are now in paperback, of course.
What impact if any, does, (if it passes) immigration reform have on third world countries?
Great article- readable and factual. Thanks
Oklahoma kiddo @ 42
Remarkably little. More remittances, but only marginally. The current bill is awful, but for the workers, immigrants and America, not so much the countries they came from.
P J Evans @ 39
I came for the 2000 IMF/WB “spank the bank” protests in DC (was there to co-coordinated medical services).
We thought it was a good idea then…
still do.
Civil society has been decades ahead on:
the cult of free trade;
global climate change;
the precautionary prinicple;
the WB/IMF;
persistant organic pollutants;
Frankenfoods;
the WTO;
Guantanamo;
the Iraq Occuapation;
keeping our National Forests vertical…
(and that’s a subset – the ones I’ve directly experienced in the past 11 years)
Why can’t our “leaders” figure this out so my friends and I can just go back to playing in the forests?
Oh yes – they’re paid not to.
Thank you for this post, Ian. Great stuff.
Having chosen a minor in international business, I remember debating Ricardo’s theory of comparative advantage during my international economics class. It bugged me enormously that the text we used did not address the downside of comparative advantage and Smith’s focus on specialization. Fortunately I had a prof of Pakistani heritage, who grokked the exposures third world countries faced and was willing to hash over some examples of the damage of comparative advantage done to excess.
For example: it hadn’t been too much earlier that there had been a hurricane that wiped out the banana crop in Honduras — devastating the country’s economy. Why were they so heavily invested in bananas, especially in the middle of a “banana war“?
And what of the potato famine of Ireland, causing the deaths by starvation of so many Irish, compelling massive immigration to the United States? (I’ll point out here that there are more people of Irish descent in the U.S. because of this famine than there are in Ireland.) Outside influences may have played a much smaller role in the excessive concentration in one crop, but the damage related to over-exposure to a single food was horrible and tragic. Imagine if the British or the U.S. had demanded greater exposure to potatoes as a cash crop…
We can see a similar impact on the economy of Mexico and the corresponding immigration post-NAFTA; it’s not unlike the impact of the potato famine on Ireland. It took nearly one hundred years for the Irish immigrants to “normalize” here, with the names Kennedy, Reagan and Fitzgerald no longer questioned for their heritage, only after many years of abuse and discrimination by many intolerant Americans. Will we be as abusive or worse to the Latin Americans who’ve come here? Will our government see its role in the economics that forced them here?
Rayne @ 46
Many economists conveniently forget that Ricardo assumed (and says so in the text) that capital was largely restricted to individual countries. When it isn’t, comaparative advantage stops working. I tend to believe in free trade under most circumstances, but I don’t believe in unrestricted capital flows, and if it were up to me I’d shut them down tomorrow. That’s an article I’ll probably write at some point, though I’m a little leary of it as it’s tricky to write and get right. People get mighty worked up about free trade theory.
Welcome to what is happening to American farming – isn’t this what FarmAid is about? Back to the Fut..il..futur..feudilism.
“But theres a problem with cash crops – with very few exceptions you can’t produce large quantities of them with small, subsistence or near subsistence farms. You need larger farms with capital intensive investment. Especially if you want to take advantage of western high yield agricultural techniques. That means kicking those farmers off their land and since the new techniques need many less people, most of them will have to run to the cities.
Not being a complete idiot, you turn to the economists and say “how am I going to feed and employ these people once they can no longer take care of themselves?” And they turn back to you and say “you have a comparative advantage in cash crops. Based on current prices you’ll make more than enough to buy food to feed your people plus invest in the economy to create jobs for many of them.”
So you go for it – either because if you don’t, the banks will cut you off, or because you really do think that it’s a wonderful way to modernize your economy. You borrow money, and you turn your farm sector from a largely subsistence one which produces a moderate surplus, into a cash crop industry.
Things don’t go as planned for a number of reasons.
First and most importantly, you aren’t the only one getting this advice. Seems that plenty of other countries have been too. And there are only so many commodities. Everyone’s growing or digging up the same stuff. The market is glutted. The prices are collapsing. D So you aren’t making nearly as much money as all those experts predicted. And, in fact, what happened is that there was a 30 year general decline in most commodity prices, which only started to reverse in the new millennium And when you (and every other country on the same train) try to dig yourself out by growing more or digging up more, it just makes it worse. Woosh.”
Ian Welsh @ 47
Exactly. They use a small model and forget that scaled out, the real world does not cooperate with assumptions. And in most American business schools they don’t explore that gap.
I am looking forward to it, whenever you decide to tackle it. You may be able to sidle up to the difference between free trade and fair trade, perhaps discussing all the real costs that are never properly accounted for in most free trade models.
Wow, great article.
Excellent post. I would like to point out that the “success” of the 1st world is not so assured, either. I recommend:
The Collapse of Complex Societies
I’m beginning to really believe that those neocons sat around and had a bunch of meetings wherein they decided that the American way was bad because it gave too much individual power to its citizens. Then, maybe they sat around at a BBQ or something and said, hey, the days of the wealthy employing cheap labor makes better “economical sense”, how can we achieve that, and then….and then…well, here we are – they are herding us down that road…but, I say No Way, No How, No More.
Ian Welsh @ 20
Oxfam has argued to whomever would listen, for decades, many of the core issues you raised, Ian!!! IMF/WB is the problem not the solution!!! Micro-Lending is a proven stratagem, let’s utilize the Billions given to IMF/WB for these organic Microlenders!!! Duh!!! Evening, Firepups!!!
Clusterfuck caught 4 terrorists who were planning to blow up JFK airport (yeah- apparently the whole airport) with spitballs.
All this makes me think of the credit card solicitations that arrive in so many mailboxes every day. Many throw them out, but of those that accept the credit, some use it carefully and some overextend themselves and end up in bankruptcy.
Banks and credit providers went to congress to stiffen the bankruptcy laws — “We want our money back, and we want it first” — pointing the fingers at those foolish people who can’t pay their bills. Of course, had the banks been less stupid about extending credit in the first place, they wouldn’t find themselves in court trying to get their money.
The international loan community is not, generally speaking, primarily interested in supporting third world development. They are interested in making money, and see the third world as a market for doing so.
The other thought that comes to mind in reading this is Muhammad Yunus and his Grameen Bank who won the 2006 Nobel Peace Prize for the idea of “micro loans” that push for development at the micro, not macro, level. Almost by definition, these loans cannot displace huge numbers of workers — and are targeted at those most in need of capital and least able to get it.
Great post, Ian. Very, very thought provoking.
rwcole @ 54
OOH Look, Another Bright, Shiny Object!!! ;)
rw @ 54
OT, but they apparently were planning to blow up the neighborhoods around it. Not with spitballs, but they’re clueless.
Petro @ 51
Wow. Looks fascinating, will have to add to my Wish List. Thanks for the pointer.
O/T: Per http://www.thespywhobilledme.com/ :
During the second hour (12-1 PDT) Vincent Bugliosi discusses his 1600-page book: Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F. Kennedy.
Plantation Mentality – alive and well.
new fresh threadiness
Peterr @ 55
It’s that horrible bankruptcy bill that let’s those companies get away with recklessly sending out offers of credit. Don’t worry about careful underwriting, you can just make slaves of the victim/borrowers!
Farmeres in the US get caught in this squeeze too.
The banks that loan the money for seed, fertilizer, and equipment want their money back as quickly as possible.
So they expect – h*ll, they’ll demand – that you’ll plant stuff that should bring in a high price at harvest.
They don’t take into account things like weather (it’s always good weather in the conference rooms, why should they worry?) and plant pests and diseases.
You might have one good harvest in five, in many areas.
So in the more marginal farming areas, the farmers are either in small specialty crops (growing watermelons to provide seeds for seedless watermelons was one I saw) or in big crops like corn or cotton that result in hundreds of acres of near-monoculture and low prices to the farmers. (I’ll add that corn and cotton both require a lot of care: high water use, high fertilizer use, spraying for insects, the cost of the contract harvesting crews.)
LS @ 60
I’ve seen the firsthand effects of the Plantation Mentality!!! The Big Isle is still trying to recover from the collapse of ‘Big Sugar’!!! It was the Industry for much of the Twentieth Century!!! It defined our Local Tradition, through-and-through, the Land-Lords v. Indentured Servants!!! We’ve had ‘Bloody Massacres’ over Union resistance!!!
LS @ 52
LS, you’re quite correct.
In the late 60’s/early 70’s Justice Stewart (IIRC – or some yet to be “Supreme”) was counsel with one of the big private economic lobbies (NAM).
The Money party – beset by challenge to Empire abroad (Vietnam) and corporate control at home (consumer movement) identified multiple tactics:
(1) decrease family income – less free time for social sector activities with two parents working
(2) increase higher education costs – less free time for activism
(3) professionalize dissent – critics on a paycheck have a tight leash on their throats. Fund those non-profits.
The responsible ones, of course. So long as they don’t associate withthe “troublemakers”.
Annual grant applications – outcome expected, but never certain – guarantees* institutional compliance among Money party funded non-profits.
The above is all historical record, and I can’t find my freakin references. Arrgh. (I’m seeing a memory “picture” of discussion on what I think is CommonDreams, but this may be in error).
(4) I do not if this was planned as part of the above effort to disenfranchise civil society, but the early 70’s also saw incarceration rates explode from 0.5% (usual rate fof industrialized democracies) to current rate (IIRC 1.5%).
Engine = “War on Drugs”.
Result = Mass disenfranchisement of African-American voters.
Gee, why would the Money Party want that?
Oh yeah – they never got around to stopping.
[*Working on forest protection with Pew? Keep you back to the tree - that way Pew has to stab you in the front.
In the early (?) 90’s Enviros in teh Northwest won a stunning injunction blocking forest destruction in spotted owl habitat.
All on their own - with no hard concessions - the Pew-supported mainstream enviro grops asked the Federal Judge to dissolve the injunction.
He did, and the local legal lore said he went to his dying day unable to comprehend why the forest groups killed the forest protection he’d given them.
They wanted to be good negotiating partners - not adversarial.
Fuck the owls.
Pew money bought everyone’s attention, and Pew switched attention to the process.
Hey - why I am I thinking of a certain Admiral?]
Excellent post, Ian. I make many of the same points to my students in a number of contexts. Most especially in my upper division race and ethnicity class, where I use them to discuss the maintenance of an international ethnic hierarchy and the role of racism and racist ideologies in maintaining/justifying the system. I also have argued for years that no one ever emerged from an economically marginal position to one of economic dominance by following “the rules” of free trade. Every country which has done so, including all members of the G8, has employed the kinds of strategies you outline and that goes back to the foundations of the capitalist system.
CTuttle @ 64
Yes…a small, sovereign country adversely possessed, its leadership forced into relinquishing its power to plantation owners, its culture suppressed, annexed to the U.S., and its people long denied even the recognition of dispossessed peoples granted to Native Americans.
Only thing different about the story of Hawaii is that it became a state — primarily for its military strategic value.
kirk, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but on the next thread you’ve been nominated by LoudounLib to be the new surgeon general.
CTuttle @ 64
Come to Montana sometime. We are still what is sometimes referred to as an “internal periphery”. That is an area within a large state system which acts much the same as an external colony/third world area. The economy is based entirely on basic commercial commodity production (agriculture, timber, and minerals), but the assets and capital flows are (and always have been) externally controlled, systematically impoverishing the state. Advances in transportation, communications, and capital flows have increasingly led to the outsourcing of these functions (especially timber and mining) to third world countries where workers make less a week than they do here in an hour. Farmers here are also increasingly competing in a global market for basic commodities (corn, wheat, beef, etc.), which drives down prices and destabilizes local markets.
Peterr @ 68
Better bone up on my masturbation studies, then.
well, new mexico’s ALWAYS been a territory, no matter they enrolled us in 1912…
a factoid: new mexico is, i think, the only “new” territory NOT to have a ‘european” namesake…
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Ian, this is a very compelling post. It fleshes out some “gut feelings” I’ve had for a while. On a tangent, if I were a tin-horn dictator in a 3rd world nation, the first thing I think I’d do was require the teaching of English in all public schools. This skill would let my people compete against the Bangalores of the world. Just a thought.
ian:
i know it’s a tad on the hyperbolic side, but isn’t it possible, in an horrendous, real-politik sort of way, that the proto-colonial powers are–through neglect and indemic racism–more or less condemning Africa to extinction as a global force? not “consciously”, perhaps–but only ‘perhaps’?
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 73
There is a way to escape the deliberate or benign condemnation by the proto-colonial powers; it will require the African continent to realize widely that they are on their own, or as Nogozi Okonjo-Iweala said, “No one can do it but us.“
They are capable of leap-frogging the first world’s barriers to development, and are already doing so in some respects. I believe that adopting the concept of the “gift economy” and open source/open community will be the keystone to a sustainable, prosperous future for Africa. It will require, however, telling the first world to butt out and piss off, in a polite sort of way.
Ubuntu.
whig @ 75
Yes. And Ubuntu — the perfect example.
Saw mention of the industrial revolution. This is much bigger. There ain’t ever again going to be enough jobs. Not in Mexico, not in China, and certainly not here. Mexico’s 30 million short and losing ground every day. China’s 300 million short (yep, 300 million). Soon as China’s 300 million get to work making stuff for Wal-Mart, the employment picture here will be rosy. All this in a world that can produce more tha it can use with ever less labor. Social democracies represent intelligent evolution, maintaining some parity betwixt the publics’interest and the interest of the wealthy. Americans don’t believe in evolution, they believe in rebirth so for them it’s back into the womb of a past that never was. Bon chance America.
Oh dear, it was so much easier back in the day: just trust to the United Fruit Company and gunboat diplomacy.
Now the world is more complicated and we’re drowning in alphabet soup. IMF and WB are only the tip of the iceberg – add in FEMA, DHs, TSA, DEA and every other plan that does not work.
But really, the killer virus arrived in 1913 with the Federal Reserve ~System~ and all the chickens have yet to come home to roost. What’s happening to third world countries, a subtle redistribution of value, will eventually arrive at a community near you, us, We the People. But not the one percenters.
There’s no third world corruption that can come close to what our secret masters have achieved.
Has been a busy out and about Sunday for me and am coming across this thread very late as it is now evening here in SE Asia. Nice to see another entry here at fdl from Ian Welsh and it surely is a pertinent one from “the view” I get daily being in this fast changing part of the world where centuries old “ways” are being discarded ever faster and faster.
The tragic outcomes from all this ‘throwing away’ only now coming under more sober,deeper observation. What is possible and what is sustainable as we all proceed into the 21st century will not be what the last half of the 20th century revealed or attempted to put in place.
Here in SE Asia what is possible for sustainable cultural,ecological and economic living likely does not fit in very well with Fortune 500 thinking and the short term wealth generation desires that thinking is laced with.
It is certain the top 10 percent of wealthy and well-off inhabitants of this planet cannot continue to subjugate the remaining 90 percent of the world’s population in order to support what is surely a more and more unsustainable scenario on the ethics and morals of or the economic/equity/societal playouts/payouts.
Ian Welsh @ 36
Believe me I’m not saying Mao’s central planning is the way to go. I believe we would be much better off if we did the simple small things like helping locals with obtaining pure clean drinking water, disease prevention and education. These are not small things to those concerned, but if we take care of the little things the big economic issues will take care of themselves.
Also I hope people realize that coffee, bananas, and cotton the three worst crops for the environment!
“Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” will give interested parties more information on just how it’s done. Worth a read for those not aware of just how extensive this corruption is.
It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.
—Albert Camus
Your not wrong here. Gov planning tends to failure -and the farther and more alien and indifferent the gov. then – the greater the failure. Nuf Said.
The problem is – that you ( like so many ) miss the even more important basics of prosperity that no desk-bound ‘planner’ can ( or should I say HAS) addressed.
The requirements for prosperity are
1) And this is FIRST and ABSOLUTE! Fail here and fail everywhere! There must be the cultural and legal permission for individual determination. The *right* to prosper or to learn or to increase in dignity. At the very least the right to try.
Sadly, much of the world refuses these rights to some or all – be it on the basis of gender or caste or clan. Well? If 3 or 10 or 51 percent of your population is ‘less then their best’ – what does that do to your ‘commonwealth’? These places will fall behind – just as a relay team that kicked out half of their runners would.
2) Security of person and property. I know – this sounds ‘conservative’ but I’m not just talking ‘law and order’ security. If you can’t harvest your fields for fear of warlords, or you can’t walk to school for fear or rapists – how can you prosper? Likewise, if you can’t trust that the house you build today will be yours tomorrow – why bother building? INVESTMENT – and I’m not just talking money – comes when people expect to be around for the rewards.
This – BTW – is a major cause of both cash drain and ‘brain drain’. Those who do manage to get a little something (be it money or skills ) will try to move it to safer and usually first-world areas.Of the two, I’d say the brain drain was the more damaging. How can a team win if it’s ‘best players’ move to the other side?
3) Respect for the future. Reserving resources for ‘investment’ – not just commercial or industrial and personal. This can mean not over-grazing, or not strip mining. I can mean building roads and wells and houses. It can mean educating a future generation. BUT! None of these will take place if the people making the decisions do not plan to BE THERE in the future – be they ‘colonials’ returning ‘home – or local politicos with their eyes on retiring to Switzerland.
4) Actual and local ‘democracy’. (Actually here I’d credit the libertarians for being closest.) The right to look some high level ‘expert’ in the eye and say “wild idea – but me and my friends – we don’t think so – go try this somewhere else”. Or – some have put it – “this is my bat and ball – so I’m playing the game my way.”
I’d not get into a squabble here as to which of these are ‘progressive’ and which are ‘conservative’ (Given that my personal vote would be – none of the above. ) I’d not get into a squabble at all – because some things are just…. self evident.
Do it this way – you get increasing prosperity.
Do anything else – fall back.
That’s just how it works.
K Reinke @ 83
Nah, I don’t miss any of that (the parts I agree with), I’ve even written some articles on that stuff. It just wasn’t the topic of this article and rule 1 of writing is “know what article you’re writing.” I wasn’t writing the one you want me to write.
In any case, Democracy isn’t necessary (more than one nation has modernized without it) and number 1 isn’t all that important, you can’t go through the first stages with half or more of your population as second class citizens – we know this, because almost every country that did it, did it that way.
Finally, central government intervention was key to industrial takeoff in more than one country, and it shouldn’t be though otherwise. Libertarian economic ideas were most fully brought to fruition in Somalia, not in any industrial state, not even city states like Singapore or Hong Kong.
There’s more than one model that allows for takeoff, and some of them are reasonably laissez-faire, but some of them are quite controlled (not communist controlled, but certainly with a huge role played by central governments.)