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		<title>By: Marretta</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/pull-up-a-chair-49/#comment-734558</link>
		<dc:creator>Marretta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Jun 2007 03:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I found FDL during the Libby trial and have become a huge fan. I agree with everyone who has commented on the civility and the depth of the comments and discussions. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am a retired nurse, forced to retire at the age of 42 with a severe form of arthritis. When I was still working, struggling to survive as a single mom, and fighting this disease, I had little time and energy to become really educated about politics. I knew MSM was not telling me the entire story but didn’t have the time or energy to go digging for the stuff that was ignored or buried. Discovering sites like Kos, FDL and Huffington Post have helped me understand the tapestry that is our government, for good or ill.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I am a feminist and there is something very special about FDL, a nuance that others have described far better than I can. Dipping a toe in the lake always feels good, and I end up learn something I didn’t know before, which I love. There is so much to learn. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have a lot of insomnia because of pain and I have become very grateful to the late night threads. When my husband is asleep and I’m waiting for a Vicodin to kick in, I can always visit the Lake. Trex and all the late night posters have entertained me through many a long and miserable night here in the Arizona desert. It’s also such a relief for someone trapped in a state that is still way too red, to spend some time every day hanging out with people who think the way my hubby and I do.  Bless you all, keep up the good work, keep digging the dirt. You really are making more of a difference than any of you know. The ripple effect of this lake is growing by leaps and bounds.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found FDL during the Libby trial and have become a huge fan. I agree with everyone who has commented on the civility and the depth of the comments and discussions. </p>
<p>I am a retired nurse, forced to retire at the age of 42 with a severe form of arthritis. When I was still working, struggling to survive as a single mom, and fighting this disease, I had little time and energy to become really educated about politics. I knew MSM was not telling me the entire story but didn’t have the time or energy to go digging for the stuff that was ignored or buried. Discovering sites like Kos, FDL and Huffington Post have helped me understand the tapestry that is our government, for good or ill.  </p>
<p>I am a feminist and there is something very special about FDL, a nuance that others have described far better than I can. Dipping a toe in the lake always feels good, and I end up learn something I didn’t know before, which I love. There is so much to learn. </p>
<p>I have a lot of insomnia because of pain and I have become very grateful to the late night threads. When my husband is asleep and I’m waiting for a Vicodin to kick in, I can always visit the Lake. Trex and all the late night posters have entertained me through many a long and miserable night here in the Arizona desert. It’s also such a relief for someone trapped in a state that is still way too red, to spend some time every day hanging out with people who think the way my hubby and I do.  Bless you all, keep up the good work, keep digging the dirt. You really are making more of a difference than any of you know. The ripple effect of this lake is growing by leaps and bounds.</p>
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		<title>By: mls</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/pull-up-a-chair-49/#comment-734020</link>
		<dc:creator>mls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I read this site everyday and on rare occasion post a comment. I live in the far western US so everyone is usually fast asleep or on their way by the time I post. I must say nothing much is going to change in this government until we impeach Bush and Cheney, preferably Cheney first. It is the only way to get the television news coverage that all their crimes deserve. As much as I have been educated by this site and others, people need to be talking about these crimes out loud everywhere.       People still do not realize what criminals they are. Every now and then I ask people I know (the ones that still get their news from TV or TV news websites) if they have ever heard of the PNAC, Sibel Edmonds, voter suppression in key electoral states, depleted uranium, Blackwater etc. Needless to say they have never heard of any of these topics or have a complete misunderstanding if they have. I do a lot of educating and mention this site and others whenever I can. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The reality is there is too much corporate control of the television media in particular. Television is the only media still that reaches all the people. The internet is changing that but it still has a long way to go.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this site everyday and on rare occasion post a comment. I live in the far western US so everyone is usually fast asleep or on their way by the time I post. I must say nothing much is going to change in this government until we impeach Bush and Cheney, preferably Cheney first. It is the only way to get the television news coverage that all their crimes deserve. As much as I have been educated by this site and others, people need to be talking about these crimes out loud everywhere.       People still do not realize what criminals they are. Every now and then I ask people I know (the ones that still get their news from TV or TV news websites) if they have ever heard of the PNAC, Sibel Edmonds, voter suppression in key electoral states, depleted uranium, Blackwater etc. Needless to say they have never heard of any of these topics or have a complete misunderstanding if they have. I do a lot of educating and mention this site and others whenever I can. </p>
<p>The reality is there is too much corporate control of the television media in particular. Television is the only media still that reaches all the people. The internet is changing that but it still has a long way to go.</p>
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		<title>By: angela motorman</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/pull-up-a-chair-49/#comment-734014</link>
		<dc:creator>angela motorman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 21:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;You folks wake up too early for me…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’ve never commented here before (that I can recall) and only stop by occasionally because I don’t really have a routine but rather follow pointers from a few favorite blogs (Atrios, TPM, The Poorman, Hullabaloo, Glenn Greenwald, CRN — also reddit and Daily Kitten) and intentionally let serendipity take me into new blogs. I just discovered N=1’s healthcare blog that way last night, and today here he (?) is on FDL!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I read this whole comment thread because I’m avoiding actually working on an essay about how progressives can regenerate hope when things like the war funding bill and Cindy Sheehan’s resignation get them down. Commenters like katymine, jdkahler and Moon are correct about the long run, and persistence. Persistence, strategy and a willingness to accept some degree of hierarchy are what built the Rethuglican machine. Progressives have to stop working on an ad hoc basis, at our convenience, and get serious about movement building.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But the thing I question here, now, is how to deal with young activists who want to run into the streets and start the revolution without having taken any intermediate steps. It is, absolutely, the moment to be doing more than talking and campaigning. But that means building organizations that last, teaching analysis and strategy and nonviolent techniques, not screaming at would-be allies who don’t want to lend a match for the fuse on an angry and despairing anarchist’s molotov cocktail.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m on a zillion listservs, and the rage is rising everywhere. We all will have to walk out of the living room sometimes, to show our RL faces in the RL public common. Figuring out how to do that together is the trick. Believing that it’s possible is important.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Meanwhile, here’s an article from Corey Doctorow about “How To Keep Hostile Jerks From Taking Over Your Online Community” that may have some application here:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199600005&quot;&gt;http://www.informationweek.com.....=199600005&lt;/a&gt; &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I’ll be coming around here more, now on purpose. You folks sound like you’re worth visiting with. Thanks.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You folks wake up too early for me…</p>
<p>I’ve never commented here before (that I can recall) and only stop by occasionally because I don’t really have a routine but rather follow pointers from a few favorite blogs (Atrios, TPM, The Poorman, Hullabaloo, Glenn Greenwald, CRN — also reddit and Daily Kitten) and intentionally let serendipity take me into new blogs. I just discovered N=1’s healthcare blog that way last night, and today here he (?) is on FDL!</p>
<p>I read this whole comment thread because I’m avoiding actually working on an essay about how progressives can regenerate hope when things like the war funding bill and Cindy Sheehan’s resignation get them down. Commenters like katymine, jdkahler and Moon are correct about the long run, and persistence. Persistence, strategy and a willingness to accept some degree of hierarchy are what built the Rethuglican machine. Progressives have to stop working on an ad hoc basis, at our convenience, and get serious about movement building.</p>
<p>But the thing I question here, now, is how to deal with young activists who want to run into the streets and start the revolution without having taken any intermediate steps. It is, absolutely, the moment to be doing more than talking and campaigning. But that means building organizations that last, teaching analysis and strategy and nonviolent techniques, not screaming at would-be allies who don’t want to lend a match for the fuse on an angry and despairing anarchist’s molotov cocktail.</p>
<p>I’m on a zillion listservs, and the rage is rising everywhere. We all will have to walk out of the living room sometimes, to show our RL faces in the RL public common. Figuring out how to do that together is the trick. Believing that it’s possible is important.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, here’s an article from Corey Doctorow about “How To Keep Hostile Jerks From Taking Over Your Online Community” that may have some application here:<br />
<a href="http://www.informationweek.com/story/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199600005">http://www.informationweek.com&#8230;..=199600005</a> </p>
<p>And I’ll be coming around here more, now on purpose. You folks sound like you’re worth visiting with. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Mommybrain</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/pull-up-a-chair-49/#comment-733972</link>
		<dc:creator>Mommybrain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Christy, this place &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; home.  One of the first things I always do when I return from an internet-free zone is check in here.  Since I’ve been doing a lot of mod work, I don’t comment as much but I still feel incredibly connected to the commenters here.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Huzzah to Jane’s doctors; aww, Balrog’s baby is sweet, ain’t it?  Balrog, my Sprout says “Don’t stand too close when the baby burps (!)”.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christy, this place <em>is</em> home.  One of the first things I always do when I return from an internet-free zone is check in here.  Since I’ve been doing a lot of mod work, I don’t comment as much but I still feel incredibly connected to the commenters here.</p>
<p>Huzzah to Jane’s doctors; aww, Balrog’s baby is sweet, ain’t it?  Balrog, my Sprout says “Don’t stand too close when the baby burps (!)”.</p>
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		<title>By: cynic</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/pull-up-a-chair-49/#comment-733894</link>
		<dc:creator>cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;As long as we stick to politics, we’re fine. We have some of the best minds around on this board, which is extremely interesting. As soon as we get off them, (as in the Virginia shooting) we get in trouble, and even our moderators seem to make politely uncivil remarks about some posts, many of them personal, on matters (largely without knowing the poster’s background….not all of us care to publish our professional affiliations…)they might think they are qualified to comment about, and are not. I suggest we stick to politics.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as we stick to politics, we’re fine. We have some of the best minds around on this board, which is extremely interesting. As soon as we get off them, (as in the Virginia shooting) we get in trouble, and even our moderators seem to make politely uncivil remarks about some posts, many of them personal, on matters (largely without knowing the poster’s background….not all of us care to publish our professional affiliations…)they might think they are qualified to comment about, and are not. I suggest we stick to politics.</p>
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		<title>By: behindthefall</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/pull-up-a-chair-49/#comment-733839</link>
		<dc:creator>behindthefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 19:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hello?  Hello?  (mutters)  They’ve all gone.  (Switches out light, walks out doorway, closes door behind him or her.  Footsteps fading along corridor.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello?  Hello?  (mutters)  They’ve all gone.  (Switches out light, walks out doorway, closes door behind him or her.  Footsteps fading along corridor.)</p>
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		<title>By: Rick</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/pull-up-a-chair-49/#comment-733746</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;How can you people continue to be fooled over and over and over again? When will you give up on the democratic party and start working for something that will mean REAL change? The democratic party is JUST as beholden to the military industrial complex as the repugs, they wanted the war funding, thier lobbiests wanted the war funding, so we got the war funding. It’s not that hard to see if you open your eyes!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The ONLY dem that speaks ANY truth is kucinich, and he is marginalized even by yourselves, why is that?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How can you people continue to be fooled over and over and over again? When will you give up on the democratic party and start working for something that will mean REAL change? The democratic party is JUST as beholden to the military industrial complex as the repugs, they wanted the war funding, thier lobbiests wanted the war funding, so we got the war funding. It’s not that hard to see if you open your eyes!</p>
<p>The ONLY dem that speaks ANY truth is kucinich, and he is marginalized even by yourselves, why is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Marie Roget</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/pull-up-a-chair-49/#comment-733738</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie Roget</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 18:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Really late to the party here.  Good morning from L.A.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is quite an interesting discourse on thread civility I’ve stumbled into this a.m.  For what it’s worth, I consider myself a somewhat infrequent poster but longtime reader @ FDL.  Never had a problem w/namecalling myself, but I’ve noticed some here are quick to try to shut down those that don’t agree w/the flow of conversation.  In my experience, the FDL Mods are equally fast @ stopping same, but I’m not here 24/7.  Late Night can get rowdy, but it’s Late Night.   &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The one thing that distinguishes FDL from other access-for-all political blogs, IMO, &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; the level of civility, which occasionally needs a tweak or two to get back in balance, that of encouraging discourse rather than repelling it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, my posting rules (not putting these on others, just for me):  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Never call anyone anything on a blog, period.  A person you only know virtually sits behind every keyboard- inflection, sarcasm, serious or frivolous tone, life story &amp; a lot of other things are many times hard to discern or judge from a typewritten post.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Preview button is an essential tool for having a glance @ what your words look like before sharing them. Previewing can give you the perspective of someone else looking @ what you just dashed off.  I find it indispensable. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Don’t post just to be posting, wait until you feel compelled to respond, point something out, share links.  I’m not big on the one-liners or rejoinders, but I’ve got no kick w/others who are.  Just not my style.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you are reading the comments &amp; actually have nothing to say or contribute (this can be a tough one) try not to say it.  :)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I like the idea of FDL being like sitting in someone’s living room w/all sorts of people sharing ideas.  I always feel here as if I’m sitting in a coffee shop, student union, teachers’ lounge, etc. throwing ideas &amp; POVs around.  Good feeling…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really late to the party here.  Good morning from L.A.</p>
<p>This is quite an interesting discourse on thread civility I’ve stumbled into this a.m.  For what it’s worth, I consider myself a somewhat infrequent poster but longtime reader @ FDL.  Never had a problem w/namecalling myself, but I’ve noticed some here are quick to try to shut down those that don’t agree w/the flow of conversation.  In my experience, the FDL Mods are equally fast @ stopping same, but I’m not here 24/7.  Late Night can get rowdy, but it’s Late Night.   </p>
<p>The one thing that distinguishes FDL from other access-for-all political blogs, IMO, <em>is</em> the level of civility, which occasionally needs a tweak or two to get back in balance, that of encouraging discourse rather than repelling it.</p>
<p>BTW, my posting rules (not putting these on others, just for me):  </p>
<p>Never call anyone anything on a blog, period.  A person you only know virtually sits behind every keyboard- inflection, sarcasm, serious or frivolous tone, life story &amp; a lot of other things are many times hard to discern or judge from a typewritten post.  </p>
<p>Preview button is an essential tool for having a glance @ what your words look like before sharing them. Previewing can give you the perspective of someone else looking @ what you just dashed off.  I find it indispensable. </p>
<p>Don’t post just to be posting, wait until you feel compelled to respond, point something out, share links.  I’m not big on the one-liners or rejoinders, but I’ve got no kick w/others who are.  Just not my style.</p>
<p>If you are reading the comments &amp; actually have nothing to say or contribute (this can be a tough one) try not to say it.  :)</p>
<p>I like the idea of FDL being like sitting in someone’s living room w/all sorts of people sharing ideas.  I always feel here as if I’m sitting in a coffee shop, student union, teachers’ lounge, etc. throwing ideas &amp; POVs around.  Good feeling…</p>
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		<title>By: Maddy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/pull-up-a-chair-49/#comment-733717</link>
		<dc:creator>Maddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The best site-decent people who care, something I don’t find on the streets, which is why this is such a frustrating time. Thanks all. epu in ten seconds-I live on the west coast, and am not exactly quick draw McCraw.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best site-decent people who care, something I don’t find on the streets, which is why this is such a frustrating time. Thanks all. epu in ten seconds-I live on the west coast, and am not exactly quick draw McCraw.</p>
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		<title>By: N=1</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/02/pull-up-a-chair-49/#comment-733708</link>
		<dc:creator>N=1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 17:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;EPU for sure, but what the hey-  I am an infrequent commenter - I read FDL religiously, but I savor the comments and rarely have organized my thoughts well enough to consider commenting until well after EPU territory has been reached. I’d like to add my great appreciation for the civil discourse, and for the extraordinarily witty and wise posters and commenters here.&lt;br /&gt;
I blog about healthcare, and increasingly, the political implications of extant non-system systems, failures, problems, challenges, access, disparity and all of the woes around healthcare.  There isn’t a well-developed blogging community around healthcare, and so I started a web ring for progressive healthcare bloggers, which I’m hoping will coalesce some of the excellent writing, researching and opining from around the tubes.&lt;br /&gt;
I’m full of “-ics”: arthritic, dyslexic, myopic and frequently apoplectic - and so you will most always find that I edit my comments several times before I catch all of my inevitable typos and wrong word-isms. I always appreciate when people point out my mistakes - to me that’s equivalent to a friend pointing out the spinach between your teeth so that you don’t go through the rest of the day looking a bit dental-challenged.&lt;br /&gt;
FDL serves as my daily civics and civility lesson.  I thank you all!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EPU for sure, but what the hey-  I am an infrequent commenter &#8211; I read FDL religiously, but I savor the comments and rarely have organized my thoughts well enough to consider commenting until well after EPU territory has been reached. I’d like to add my great appreciation for the civil discourse, and for the extraordinarily witty and wise posters and commenters here.<br />
I blog about healthcare, and increasingly, the political implications of extant non-system systems, failures, problems, challenges, access, disparity and all of the woes around healthcare.  There isn’t a well-developed blogging community around healthcare, and so I started a web ring for progressive healthcare bloggers, which I’m hoping will coalesce some of the excellent writing, researching and opining from around the tubes.<br />
I’m full of “-ics”: arthritic, dyslexic, myopic and frequently apoplectic &#8211; and so you will most always find that I edit my comments several times before I catch all of my inevitable typos and wrong word-isms. I always appreciate when people point out my mistakes &#8211; to me that’s equivalent to a friend pointing out the spinach between your teeth so that you don’t go through the rest of the day looking a bit dental-challenged.<br />
FDL serves as my daily civics and civility lesson.  I thank you all!</p>
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