LS @ 77

So why did Gannon visit the WH so many times?

Prayer meetings.

Oh so THAT’s why his knees were so dirty.

And a thoroughgoing disgrace.

no filibuster, no fight, nothing for the people at all.
and now, yet another incompetent, deeply disturbed nominee that has to be insane with the contradictory job titles it carries. it is a doctor, yet does not believe in the scientific method, and is completely against reason in all of it’s forms. perfect choice.

so will they approve this yahoo as well? of course they will. perhaps they will fight it out for the right to give the deciderer a bobby joe to thank him for not saying bad things about him

Also David Dreier’s, Matt Sanchez’s and James D. Guckert’s.

After that he can move on to Karl Rove’s.

Let’s Face The Music And Dance? I think I’ve heard that title before, but can’t place who may have really done it.

KestrelBrighteyes @ 182

Margot @ 106

Capital J @ 75
You know, I live in Ohio. Sort of a semi-rural area. Big fundie area. BUT:
My 16-year-old son got invited to the prom by an older girl, and while we were getting his tux rented (last minute, of course) he told me about his friend who was also getting a tux. His friend Kathy. Her girlfriend, her date for the prom, was going and they both didn’t want to wear gowns. So this is very out in the open, they go and are announced as they enter the prom, they have photos taken and everything. I was really happy about this.
Boy have things changed since I was in high school circa 1970.
I must say though, that if this were at a high school only a few miles from here, it would be very different, from what I’ve heard. Class, race and income levels are low in this town, this is the town high school, and the ones a bit further out are more upscale. And more fundie, racist, classist, etc.

Nashville actually has an ALTERNATIVE prom. Every year they attract more kids, and some come from as far away as Knoxville to attend! It’s open to GLBT kids and their friends who want to show support.

http://outandaboutnewspaper.co…..hp?id=1444

Hayward, California used to have one, too. We knew kids who attended and it sounded like a good time.

Loo Hoo. @ 63

California scores two points today.

1. Iraq war may be on primary ballot

2. Gay and lesbian inmates get conjugal visits

And I’m sure the fundies are going totally mad in Orange County.

I haven’t heard a thing yet, but I don’t take the OC paper. Heh.

teddy at 74

dmac, I appreciate your defense of the methodist church, but my post requires no one to defend the church. In fact, I point out that Dr. Holsinger and his wife were asked to leave their UMC congregation in order to launch their new church, with its odd views.

And yes, you are correct: we stand on the shoulders of giants. As I say to the young gays in my life about this world they will inherit: so sorry, and you’re welcome.

no, teddy, nothing you said made me want to defend, just didn’t want people reading the word methodist and thinking that was how methodists think–is quite the opposite………bush claiming to be a methodist and this guy claiming to be methodist is beyond appalling……methodists are the original rebels and defenders of social justice…..they aren’t methodists….it .wasn’t what you posted, it was these people claiming a history they don’t represent……..

Oh man, that W claims to be a Methodist… well, if only he attended once in a blue moon.

So why did Gannon visit the WH so many times?

Prayer meetings.

i would like to defend the methodist church

no methodist i know-and i was raised methodist, would ever condone anti-gay anything. i would like to point out that he was overruled by the church in his views…………

and teddy- no amount of prayin’ on his part will ever bring support to his way of thinking……….life still goes on, and more people every day are looking at gays as fulfilled human beings, as we speak it is happening, and that is the powerful thing that will continue to create change, not the backward thinking, gay stifling thinking that the bush administration tries to teach to it’s ‘peepholes’ (peoples-but they like peepholes, perverts)……..

i wish to remind people how it was in the 70’s-my dad had gay friends, we went to dinner at their house regularly, was normal to me…but out in public then?????? no way……they never went out…….my step-brother and sister are both gay, with the same partners since the early 80’s and two of my best friends in high school were gay and lesbian, BEFORE it was ok….times were VERY HARD FOR THEM back then……..times have changed in a large way since then, and are still changing, don’t let this surgeon general thing make you think anything else…….people are evolving toward the good in a person by person movement, let that make you feel comforted. once you know someone who is gay it is the same as having a relative, and you defend them……that is happening all over america…….defending gay rights…….i remember the marches where noone showed up………now you can say you are gay at a party……never would have happened back then………women’s rights took a long time, too………rambling, sorry, just don’t want you to discount how equal you finally are, thanks to people that i have known who stood up way before it was popular. continue their efforts by being happy and meeting people and letting them see what a wonderful thinking compassionate human being you are, that’s what makes people change.

I was raised Methodist and I know some Methodists who would (including my dear father), but they’re mostly older people, and their numbers are few.
You will note that the Methodists asked them to leave. That should tell you a lot.