The Senate and House Intelligence Committees are asking former attorney general John Ashcroft to testify about a March 2004 hospital-room confrontation during which he refused to sign off on a continuation of President Bush’s warrantless eavesdropping program, according to congressional and administration sources.
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Administration officials and congressional staffers say Ashcroft will have difficulty finding a reason to refuse to talk about it at this point—especially in closed-door hearings, given that Comey has already publicly recounted the dispute. Although Ashcroft is a private citizen, Justice officials expect that he will likely seek their guidance on how far he can go in discussing the issue. A meeting has been scheduled for this Monday by Senate Intelligence Committee aides and Justice Department officials to discuss the “contours” of the testimony, one official said. If Ashcroft declined to cooperate, the committees could ultimately issue subpoenas.
Comey wasn't positive whether Bush himself had called Mrs. Ashcroft and asked that the thuggish Gonzales and Card be let into her husband's room to "wish him well." Enquiring minds want to know.
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This should be good Jane. They may even have to ask Mrs. Ashcroft.
Will Mrs.Ashcroft be called to questions by the Republicans?
The schadenfreude of crying witch Mrs.Alito should get a replay…
Still lots of interesting commentary below at the Sestak post, FYI…
Finally, when a Republican says “I don’t recall,” I might believe him.
Does that mean Mrs Ashcroft will be questioned? Or will Mr Ashcroft answer that question on her behalf? I think whether shrub was personally involved is a pivotal question.
Go Jane!
“This little light of mine, I’m gonna let it shine,
This little light of mine, I’m gonna let it shine…”
maybe we can get “hero” comey to liveblog with us.
Ed*ard Teller @ 5
He will at least have a better reason for it than most…
Jane, I’m looking forward to your annotated versions of the letters to Judge Walton. Happy hunting.
Oh… I want to know lots of things about the Bush-Ashcroft machinations. I want to know all about it. All about everything.
peterboy @ 8
Telling the truth should be expected.
I believe Ashcroft to be a very bad, bad man.
Mrs Ashcroft is the Ashcroft they should be talking to. Any statements from the former AG about what happened in that hospital room will be (rightly) dismissed as the misrecollections of a highly medicated man.
She took the phone call from “the White House.” She made the call to her husband’s CoS. Anything else is hearsay. Call “the wife” please, because we know that in BushCo, wives are fair game.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 13
I agree completely. Which is why, if he wouldn’t sign off on whatever they wanted, I am even more frightened about that with which our government is trying to get away.
Wow, sometimes it’s very difficult to say things grammatically correctly without sounding strangely.
Ed*ard Teller @ 5
I was getting the same premonition. “I don’t recall, I was on drugs.”
driving by from work . . .funky connection at home . . . a whole day without the lake is a day without sunshine :(
let the subpoena soar . . .
Oh, yes. Yes, we do. Something tells me the summer of ‘07 is gonna be a really hot one in DC. *rubs hands with glee*
We ain’t gonna learn shit.
TheOtherWA @ 18
Or a maze of brick walls…
(Can you tell I’m still really cynical from the events of last couple of weeks?)
TeddySanFran @ 14
Thank you. As well as Jack Goldsmith, the guy who did the legal research to prove the domestic wiretap program was (duh!) illegal. Why subpoena a guy who was legally uncapacitated, interview him behind closed doors, and take the fun away from Chuck Schumer who has been asking to interview Ashcroft for a year.
Before I go back to read the Sestak session - has anyone heard from TRex? It looks like it is raining down in Georgia, and it didn’t even take a full fledged hurricane to do it.
Et Tu, Ashcroft?
That would be something to see.
Ashcroft can testify to the Gonzo machinations that occurred before his hospitalization.
TeddySanFran @ 14
yea, verily, it is so
Interesting is right. He was on a bunch of heavy medications. He may be able to shed some light on why he and Comey were unable to sign off on the legality of the “thingy”. They could also ask him if it is true that Monica Goodling covered up the boobs on that statue, and whether he ordered it or whether it was her decision. That would be a kick.
Maybe, from what he has seen as a private citizen over the years since then, he will find in his heart the courage to speak up to help the nation.
All this Mr. And Mrs. Ashcroft and the hospital visit has to remind me of Martha and John Mitchell.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 27
Me too!!
I’m still perplexed about the Bartlett resignation. I wonder if he’s the one who called. Nah, it was the pres. I’d bet on it.
LS @ 26
Yeah, like Colin Powell. Not.
Perhaps Mrs. Ashcroft might want to consider the federal witness program.
Yes, the DOJ flunkies and assorted WH scum will scramble through a maze of brick walls, but Schumer and Leahy, etc… will be right on their tails.
I refuse to be pessimistic about the ability of my country to right itself. Sure it’s a slow and uneven process, but the truth will be known.
Did I read some years ago that Martha Mitchell was screaming about some of her hudband’s friends in the Nixon Adminisrtration had been holding her down and injecting her with ‘tranq’s’?
Jane!!!! Are you planning on visting the Hill while you are in DC, Jane?
They should ask him if he thinks he was poisoned. Didn’t Jack Carter have the same exact medical emergency (pancreatitis) that put him in the hospital and off the campaign trail for weeks? Tinfoil hat firmly in place.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 31
Considering how well it’s run, that might not be a good idea.
For example.
solai @ 29
Nah
Why woudl the press flunkie have more authority than the WH Counsel and the COS?
Gnome de Plume @ 22
What rain? It’s raining in South GA so hopefully it helps to dampen the wildfires.
Jane, Have you ever considered running for office? Shays seat could be in danger next time around? I can imagine the debate now.
I wonder who some of her husband’s friends in the Nixon administration were?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Beall_Mitchell
JPL @ 39
Hmmm. I wonder who JoeMentum would endorse in a Hamsher-Shays matchup?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 33
Yes…But they couldn’t keep her away from her phone…
JPL @ 38
Yes, TRex reported this morning that it was raining.
By the time the onion is peeled, the stock will have boiled dry. I’ve lost hope — the bastards are going to get away with it. The public doesn’t get it and was never very interested to begin with. Sorry to be glum. ;-(
I hope Ashcroft’s testimony will start to peel this onion, but have the feeling it might be more like trying to squeeze (name your fluid) from a turnip. Or, looking @ that photo upstairs, from a grumpy jicama…
solai @ 35
It is interesting to note, that Comey made a point of testifying that Ashcroft was taken seriously ill only a matter of hours following their meeting. I don’t think he was insinuating anything like that, I’m just pointing it out. Besides, why would they want to make him ill if they wanted his signature so badly they even had to go to the hospital to get it?
Hey! Over here! Bright shiny objects!
Another alleged terrorist plot foiled!
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/06/.....index.html
They’re nothing, if not consistent.
emptywheel @ 37
I read your post at TNH about Bartlett, any further thoughts?
solai @ 48
No–though as odd as it sounds, it might just be the family issue (at least he backed that up with stories abotu his wife getting cranky).
And if it’s related to a case, I’d say it’s related to Abramoff more than anything else. Just instinct, though, no reason behind that.
LS @ 46
I think they thought that they could push Comey around more easily than Ashcroft. Sideline the AG and initimidate the acting AG into signing. I really do think that they’re capable of this. I mean, they knew they weren’t killing the guy, just get him out of the way for awhile.
emptywheel @ 49
With Bush’s poll numbers on a downward slide, I actually think, that they knew his spin (lies) had become ineffective.
TeddySanFran @ 14
Mrs Ashcroft is the Ashcroft they should be talking to. Any statements from the former AG about what happened in that hospital room will be (rightly) dismissed as the misrecollections of a highly medicated man.
She took the phone call from “the White House.” She made the call to her husband’s CoS. Anything else is hearsay. Call “the wife” please, because we know that in BushCo, wives are fair game.
Yes, it should be Mrs. Ashcroft. But Ashcroft *can* testify as to what she told him about the call. Yes, it’s hearsay, but this ian’t a court of law - it’s a congressional hearing, which are not subject to such stringent rules of evidence.
OTOH, I *can* imagine Ashcroft saying something like - “phone call - don’t know - she never talked about it to me”.
solai @ 50
I don’t remember, but did they ever try to push Comey to sign before the hospital incident, or did the hospital visit just happen to Comey’s surprise. I am unclear on this.
Avenging_Angel @ 47
Idiots! They are supposed to be OVER THERE!
-GSD
Perhaps Mrs. Ashcroft should consider putting a call into Fitzgerald. Kind of an insurance policy against her becoming sick too.
Maybe they could get Ashcroft to voluntarily testify by allowing him to start off the proceedings by singing a stirring rendition of “Let the Eagles Soar”!
Hope that the committee members don’t assume that they know what program was the focus of attention, because given the amount of careful parsing done by AGAG and others I at least have no confidence that it was anything so “benign” as warrantless wiretapping.
Somebody posted this last night but it seems appropos to today’s discussion Sign of the Times. The joke of the day from Comedy Central’s website…
Q: How many US Attorney Generals does it take to screw in a light bulb?
A: I cannot recall that particular answer at this time.
Who are you going to believe? Our beloved AG Innocent Al, with his personal story of hardship and of overcoming ethnic barriers or some Oxycontin dosed religious fanatic?
-Rover’s Rovers
ccmask @ 2
Right, and some of the FBI guards, Comey’s driver and security detail.
If Comey’s testimony checks out, how could Abu NOT be impeached? And how could impeachment of Bush be off the table?
GSD @ 54
One of them is from Trinidad. Does that mean next stop, Trinidad?
LS @ 53
My understanding was that Comey had said he would not sign without changes to the program and that the hospital visit was an attempted end-run around him, even though he was the acting AG with all powers due to Ashcroft’s being in ICU.
Has John Dean ever made public his thoughts and perceptions, if any, on Martha Mitchell?
GSD @ 59
Decent question.
LS @ 61
No given this admin’s record, next stop is Jamaica.
GSD @ 54
Many of us consider Queens to be “OVER THERE”.
Did someone say Jamaica? Now you’ve thrown my switch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDFHltzcT0E
“When I take action, I’m not going to fire a $2 million missile at a $10 empty tent and hit a camel in the butt. It’s going to be decisive.”
-George W. Bush
Meet George’s newest camel’s butt.
-GSD
Looks like rumor has it Griffin resigned because Palast showed Conyers the evidence of voter fraud.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo.....1950/13383
Like to jammin?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....U&NR=1
LS @ 69
Palast was on Randi Rhodes show yesterday talking about this. :D
I want to bring this forward from the Sestak discussion. There are a lot of us who don’t have tinfoil hats on, but are still seeing some very scary things happening. Bush told his Texas buddies during his chest thumping conversation that he is fixing it so that the next president is also “stuck” in Iraq. No one seems to be officially addressing the permanent bases that we are building there and then there is this from the last thread:
I know I am not the only one out here in the “hinterland” who thinks a coup is coming. What is in those cocktail weenies that Congress cannot see the threat Bush/Cheney are to this country?
I’m telling you, all of a sudden, I’m feeling hopeful. They’re dropping like flies. Everyone is either pleading the 5th or begging for immunity. There’s that story linking Rove to an Alabama scandal and Palast looks to be coming through after all the hype. I’m starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
Gnome de Plume @ 72
What was Sestak’s response?
Gnome de Plume @ 72
You’re saying exactly what I was thinking when I commented on that point in that thread. They seem to become suddenly “disarmed” when all the shmoozing starts or something…beats me.
solai @ 73
Could be. I certainly hope so.
Sorry to be OffTopic, but…
Has anyone mentioned the Zogby online poll is short, sweet and almost completely about Al Gore and global warming and if you/I would vote for him as a Presidential candidate?
Plus, the kicker is about Bonds’ HR record and whether it should be seen as ‘valid’ or ‘ignored’.
I say ‘ignore’, but as for Gore just the opposite.
——
I think Al may just do it. (Especially w/Fredzo moving quickly from a surrepticious dipping of toe to full-fledged dive. Not that that has anything to do with Gore, but is notable.)
Cheers!
solai @ 74
That he was going to look into it.
I suspect Ashcroft will say that he was heavily medicated and just doesn’t have a clear recollection of events.
/haven’t read any of this discussion so forgive if this is asked and answered;
in closed session, can’t the people with security clearance insist on full disclosure?
Gnome de Plume @ 78
That really got me. I wanted to say, “You mean you don’t know? You don’t have an opinion? You have to look into it?”….Jeeshh
Veritas78 @ 44
It is completely human to be glum these days. You’ll buck up buckaroo - Scooter’s upcoming sentence on Tuesday should help immensely. ;~)
global yokel @ 79
They’ve called his assistant also. And asked Comey to come back.
solai @ 73
I want to be hopeful. I’m not there yet.
solai @ 83
My, oh my, oh my!!
global yokel @ 79
Considering he had signed over his powers to his deputy, was with great difficulty oriented as to time and place, and then stated his incapacity when confronted for his signature, I certainly wouldn’t credit his “testimony.”
Call Janet “fair game” Ashcroft!
Solai, LS and all- it is like Congress gets so wound up in procedure that they don’t see the forest for the trees, or the desert for all the grains of sand. They are still following the rules that the evil gang in the WH trashed years ago. With the house and senate judiciary committees trying to root out the truth by following their prescribed path, the WH is racing to beat them to the end by whatever means possible so that we become a dictatorship ruled by madmen.
We need to watch and see where Bartlett goes to work, btw. He’s nothing but a Bushie, employed by no one else and without a law degree. Presumably, he’s leaving for money. It’ll be interesting to see who’s willing to pay for someone with this resume.
TeddySanFran @ 88
EW pointed out on her blog that Bartlett said he won’t run for office, won’t write a book, and won’t assist a Republican running for office in Texas. To me, that sounds like a pay-off or a plea deal or something like that. Very strange.
TeddySanFran @ 88
lobbyist for this trade association
TeddySanFran @ 88
TeddySF - you never fail to cheer me up. Has Bartlett no employment record before Bush came on the scene? If so who would hire him - maybe he’ll be appointed to run Shrub’s Presidential Library if he promises to keep the shredders humming.
TeddySanFran @ 88
WaPo editorial board.
punaise @ 90
(((((punaise!)))))
Gnome de Plume @ 87
I agree with the part in bold but I have a feeling that Schumer and others are on to them and that there are things going on behind the scenes to help our side. I have no direct evidence but there are signs. Griffin’s resignation is one sign. So are all the white house resignations and pleas for immunity. No doubt, we need whistle blowers to stop these criminals and that seems to be happening too (evidenced by the Alabama/Rove scandal). I think people who know what’s been going on will start speaking up more because: a)they have a dem congress to go to. OR b)they’re afraid of getting arrested.
backatcha, npb!
I love Joe Wilson. He gets the prize for the best comment of the day: (Also from the Sestak thread)
I am going to send his legal fund a nice donation. (If someone could post the link again?)
TeddySanFran @ 88
Glenn via Marcy:
http://www.salon.com/opinion/g.....index.html
According to Bartlett’s lawyer, there are just so many job offers that the lawyer has to parse them.
Bartlett’s 36 (happy birthday, Dan!) and went to work for Bush in 1994.
TeddySanFran @ 14
Does Mrs Ashcroft have her own first name?
Solai, I want to hope that what you say about Schumer and gang is true. I want there to be a lot of good things going on for our side behind the scenes.
Is it possible Bartlett is going to “cooperate”??? He probably knows everything about everything. Maybe his wife has realized what kind of world their new family will grow up in if this “machine” isn’t curtailed and had the “honey, we really need to talk” talk. Just a thought.
SnarKassandra @ 99
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.c.....014414.php
I believe it is Janet
SnarKassandra @ 99
No, she is a Republican. Therefore she is Mrs. Ashcroft. Only single women like Condi Rice are allowed first names.
solai @ 73
I hope the whole thing unravels like a knitted sweater and ends up in pieces all over the floor.
Snark, snark.
Where is Aunt Betsy? We need to schedule lunch.
SnarKassandra @ 104
“if you want to destroy my sweater
hold this thread as I walk away”
Gnome de Plume @ 105
She is super busy the next week. Her whole family is all coming here on Thursday for a big event thingy next weekend. (Some are my family too but they kinda pretend I don’t exist cause they don’t like my parents.) And right next weekend, my brother and I are going to Port Aransas for a while. Now she’s way stressed and way busy. Talk to her after the 12th, ok?
SnarKassandra @ 99
See my 86 (found it on wikipedia.com)
Got it. I just sent her an e-mail before I read your comment. Have fun in Port A. Don’t forget the sunscreen.
If Ashcroft testifies in a closed hearing will we ever be able to learn what he said? Will they be obligated to keep it secret?
Teddy’s upstairs with a new post.
new thread
TeddySanFran @ 14
Phew. Back from shopping with the teenager. Broke, tired, but not too tired for the Lake.
Teddy, I think this is what separates us from the Republicans. Wives who are not elected officials are not fair game; we call them only if they are 1) implicated personally in wrong doing, as in the Wives Club a la Mrs. DeLay, and 2) if we have no other method by which we can ascertain the truth.
The hospital’s phone records should be the next line of inquiry, along with a specific request for documentation of White House phone system showing any phone calls made to the hospital’s exchange.
Asking for Ashcroft’s testimony also allows the SJC to get closer to the matter