The Co-Worker who I ride to work with is expecting his girlfriend to deliver his child anytime in the next week according to the doctor. So when this occurs he will take leave. I am uncertain where this is going to leave me as for as getting to work and back. Trying to establish a "Plan B" but things seem uncertain at this point. This is going to get complicated I can see.
He still has a transportation problem, and needs any ideas or solutions anyone can offer. Last time I wrote about him, some people suggested I ask for money for him. That felt a little presumptuous, which is why I hadn't done it, but since some people asked, I'd say that small donations are welcome, and I can make sure he gets them. I won't use the FDL gateway, but if you email me at pachacutec AT firedoglake DOT com, I'll work it out with you or get you directly in contact with Dan himself.
He talked about his immediate financial need in his email, saying:
I would even be willing to pay this money back in a few months and if you could keep track of who donated what, you could distribute the money back to them. It's would sort of be like Julie's idea of Prosper.com in a way.
I just don't want to lose this job because it pays well and is what it is going to take to get me where I need to be in a short time.
If I am being too much of a bother, don't be afraid to tell so. Just say "Fuck Off" and there won't be no hard feelings. I know you don't owe me anything and all you have done has been based on your own compassion and generosity.
So there you have it.
To put this in context, and relate it to why I use this forum to bring all this up, let's recall that we've made of our country a large prison factory (links here in the first paragraph), and it's disenfranchising large swaths of people who have a very hard time getting a leg back up on life in the community.
No one talks much about prison reform, sentencing reform, reform of drug laws and felony reenfranchisement, but these are all important progressive issues that affect the most vulnerable among us. None of us are as prosperous and secure as we should be when we pursue destructive policies like these, and our mistreatment of non-violent offenders is just the first step that brough us to Abu Ghraib and the cessation of the Right of Habeas Corpus.
So, if you feel moved to help this one person, thank you thank you thank you.
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Hiya!
Just reading Jane’s post, sorry I didn’t read his material.
AZ Matt @ 2
Me either. But I am sad for all of you who lost a friend.
Evening all.
Evening Pach, sorry about the loss of a friend :-(
Evening, everyone else as well.
Evening, Pach
Hi to everyone. DrDick, any word from EvilDrPuma?
(silently sliding into the Lake)
evening, Pach.
Suzanne @ 8
hiya Suzanne! No diving?
AZ Matt @ 7
Not a word that I’ve heard. Not sure what set him off (I wasn’t part of that thread), but I hope he comes back.
Those of you who didn’t know his work, there was no way to be indifferent about Steve. He was passionate and incisive in a penultimate New YOrk Way. I intuitively gravitated to that, I who have been accused of being too blunt. Steve never minced words. He was so well read, bright, estimable. And all the while, down to earth. I feel I’ve lost kin, a kind of brother.
No dive in me tonight, Cassie. Perhaps tomorrow but not tonight.
DrDick @ 10
Seconded.
I agree fully. What’s worse is that if somebody ends up going to jail, they’re treated like a criminal by way too many people even if they’re acquitted.
A fucked-up story for everyone: When I was working at an amusement park in Phoenix, I had a manager in my area that was really cool. He’d let you go do your thing as long as you did your job, and he wouldn’t allow the drama addicts and lazy people to get away with things.
All that changed when he was charged with assault (I think it was a brother-in-law, but I’m not sure). Since he was apparently out on parole, a parole violation charge was added to the assault charge. A couple of days later, the assault charge was found to be bogus and promptly dismissed. That should have left the parole violation to wither and die, right? Wrong. He ended up going back to prison for the parole violation.
Thinking about what happened to him still pisses me off to this day.
DrDick @ 9
I was in and out of that thread but wasn’t there when things I guess got a little heated.
Pachacutec @ 11
Makes me sorry I never saw his work when he was with us. My condolences to all of his friends and family.
DrDick @ 10
Aunt Betsy sent him a letter this morning but I don’t think he wrote back yet.
Pach, Talkleft does, every day. That’s why it’s called TalkLeft: the Politics of Crime.
I’d love to see other blogs cover these topics more.
SnarKassandra @ 16
That was thoughtful of her.
Jeralyn Merritt @ 18
Jeralyn is right.
She’s on this beat all day, every day.
If you don’t have Talkleft in your bookamrks, please consider checking it out.
Cassie, if she writes to him again — please tell her that we ALL want him to come back! Thanks!
Jeralyn!
Ready for sentancing?!
Ready to read letters!?
Hi Pach. So sorry for your ache. He will be missed. Thanks for the update on your friend. I am sure the good folks here will help out if they can.
Jeralyn Merritt @ 18
It is certainly an important topic. Among other things we need to squarely face issues of sentencing and punishment disparities. You will do more time in a worse institution for kiting a $50 bad check than for embezzling millions. Likewise, penalties for crack cocaine are much more severe than for the powder form. These class and race based disparities really distort the system and, as Pach says, prey on the most vulnerable among us. We also need to decriminalize drug possession/use. I am somewhat ambivalent about legalizing all or most drugs, but we need to treat drug abuse as a medical, not criminal problem. It would also cut our prison budgets in half over night.
LoudounLib @ 13
What Happened To Dr. Evil???????????
LoudounLib @ 21
Yes, please!
Jeralyn Merritt @ 18
My mom will probably be in prison 8 yrs total on drug using and selling, which seems like a lot when the criminals that are bribing congress are counting months instead of years. But really my mom needs drug treatment and psych medicine more than she needs jail.
DrDick @ 10
This is the thread that set him off, Libby sentencing by Christy, although not sure which comment(s) he took personally from whom…
SEveral years ago I travelled to the area around Canon City, Colorado. Near there was a little tiny mining town of Rockvale that relatives of friends of my family maintaining a general store that you only see now in western movies. During this visit those folks had already passed on but the store was still there and so were single-wides and double-wides. Canon City and Florence have had new prisons built around the region and this housing was of people working in those facilities. It is sad that this seems to have a become a mainstay industry across rural America.
My mom will probably be in prison 8 yrs total on drug using and selling, which seems like a lot when the criminals that are bribing congress are counting months instead of years. But really my mom needs drug treatment and psych medicine more than she needs jail.
Hear hear! This is why you should be reading TalkLeft, Cassie. It is on my list of must read daily, even if that daily is at 2am when I am done here. TalkLeft and Gilly’s were among the first blogs I found where issues that mattered to me were discussed.
SnarKassandra @ 27
As usual, Cassie, you have more sense than most state legislators. The drug dealing is a separate (though related) issue, but criminalizing drug use does nothing to reduce it. If anything, drugs are more abundant and readily available than they were before the crack down (and I have been around since the beginning). The resultant profits (illegality artificially inflates the price of drugs thousands of times) produce the kinds of street violence and organized crime that plague our city streets and which are destabilizing Mexico and Colombia.
DrDick @ 24
And it’s only going to get worse if the plans for “deluxe prison accomodations” come widespread.
DrDick @ 31
The problem for the judge was that (A) she sold drugs in a house with a minor child and (B) she told them the name of her dealer but not how or where she got the drugs from him.
Oh mods ….. in my last comment …. i am a MINOR and not a MINER. Can you fix it please?
Man in the Mists @ 32
Yeah. I saw that and it made me livid. As Atrios says, it makes me want to shoot somebody in the face. However, since I am a civilized human being and not a Rightard, I will not do so (though I still feel like it!).
fixed, cassie
DrDick @ 31
People often sell drugs so they can afford their own. If drugs were legal, then they wouldn’t have to sell them, now would they? ;)
The whole “War On Drugs” is one of the most ridiculous ways we’ve wasted our tax dollars in the last few years. And yes, I remember the Sergeant York.
SnarKassandra @ 33
It is still a rather draconian sentence (particularly as armed robbers often get out in 5 years). It also fails to address your mother’s central problem, drug addiction, which drove her to dealing, etc. As to not rolling over completely on her source, given some of the people I have known in that business, I don’t think I would either.
dakine01 @ 28
He made some sort of joke about prison rape — and I don’t think he was the only one. Christy said no prison rape jokes. Someone else said that such jokes are racist, and then someone else said they are homophobic — but my impression was that neither was meant as an accusation against EDP, rather a general observation. However, he demanded an apology for being called a racist and homophobe, which no one made, so then he said he was out.
Then there was a lot of discussion about folks being touchy in the comments lately.
There was a recent piece in the San Antonio paper stating that the County jail was the largest provider of psychiatric medication in the city. It makes sense, especially in a state that provides such little assistance to anyone in need.
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oddmommy @ 39
Which then lead to Christy’s first thread this AM about can’t we all just get along (not so much in those words but tone)
Gnome de Plume @ 40
You can get help in Texas for family violence stuff, and that is free, and lots of crime victim stuff is free, but I think there isn’t much other help.
Gnome de Plume @ 40
They gotta keep ‘em together to stand trial…
EDP, if you’re reading (and I sincerely hope you are) — please reconsider, and jump on in here with us again. We enjoy your company!
Cujo359 @ 37
Too true. The actual production costs per dose for heroin and cocaine are comparable to aspirin. I don’t think many people would be robbing liquor stores or doing driveby shootings if a fix was only a nickle or a quarter. Street gangs and drug cartels would collapse overnight.
dakine01 @ 28
#72-112 Apparently there was an initial joke that has been removed by mod.
DrDick @ 46
Speaking honestly, if it were legal, I probably would grow my own buds. Far less debilitating and harmful than alcohol and tobacco and just about any other substances. With far more natural benefit as well.
SnarKassandra @ 43
Most drug abusers, and many criminals generally, have other, deeper psychological problems which go untreated and lead to their antisocial behavior. We do not as a society adequately fund mental health programs for the poor (who often need them the most).
Mildly OT but don’t know if any has seen this about placing a tombstone at grave of executed mentally deficient man in Colorado. Including discussion about trying for a posthumus pardon and clearing of his name.
DrDick @ 46
One thing Afghanistan seems to be proving is that you can grow opium just about anywhere, and processing it is no big deal. I’m not happy with the idea of widespread heroin use, but if people are going to use it then it would be better if it was cheap and there was medical help available outside a prison.
Not a frequent commenter, but on a side topic that may be of interest here, a fairly popular medical blogger was outed during a wrongful death court case against him. The Boston Globe made it an above the fold front page story late this week, and now medical and nurse bloggers are closing up shop at a fast pace. Meanwhile, the malpractice lawyers have crawled through the healthcare blogs (mine included), and everyone is getting freaked out. I’m considering taking my blog private, as it probably serves me more than readers and visitors, anyway.
But the healthcare blogosphere is feeling very censored. Has this type of incident affected other blogs?
DrDick @ 49
That is because even if they start out middle class like my mom, who went to college and had a profession and a house and all that stuff, the drugs and the mental problems make them lose all that and then be poor.
dakine01 @ 48
I actually have no problems with legalizing and regulating marijuana (though I am now allergic to it so do not and would not indulge). My problem is with the harder drugs and I’m not sure I am ready to legalize heroin, cocaine, and amphetamines.
You know, it’s funny (or not).
I started the pushback on prison rape jokes around here more than a year ago, before I was even a front pager. It’s just a callous way of forgetting that people are human, even if people don’t intend it.
That said, I hope he gets over it and comes back. We all learn, though I have a pretty high tolerance for being called out, or for conflict.
That’s another thing Steve Gilliard and I had in common, as New Yorkers.
Many drug abusers started off trying to self-medicate other (usually untreated) mental health issues.
Just my observation. Nothng to back it up – just my experience with junkies, abusers, and experimenters.
As usual, Europe is ahead of us…
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chro…..w_overhaul
Suzanne, so true
N=1 @ 52
I think the biggest problem was the total idiocy of the blogger in question blogging about the trial, denigrating the plaintiffs attorneys and discussing the defense strategy. When he was the defendant. I posted the link yesterday and Stupidity was the term that most came to mind.
hello AK, long time no see!
Cujo359 @ 51
Afghanistan has a long tradition of opium production which was temporarily eliminated by the Taliban. It was part of the “Golden Crescent” stretching from Pakistan to Turkey, which along with the Golden Triangle in northern SE Asia traditionally produced most of the world’s opium. The destruction of the Afghan economy by decades of war makes opium production the only economically viable alternative for many small farmers. What is new is the manufacture of heroin from the opium base. In the past that was done in Pakistan, Indian, or Turkey. Now the local warlords are involved as a means of financing their private armies.
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Suzanne @ 56
My mom had psych probs and violence probs before she ever used any drugs.
LoudounLib @ 60
i’ve been through minor hell recently. It led to me making some very dark anti-tinfoil-hat posts which (I SINCERELY HOPE) suzanne was gracious enough to kill or at least trunacate.
I was so ashamed I almost didn’t want to come back, but (guess who) my granddaughter put her hands on her hips and gave me THE LOOK. and so here i am…
Alfred Kelgarries @ 64
I like the stuff you have to say! How old is your granddaughter?
SnarKassandra @ 53
Drug addiction makes people do a lot of really stupid and often terrible things. You really lose a great deal of control over your life when you become addicted. These people need help and support, not prison.
oh gosh AK, hope all is well (or getting better). I for one value your contributions and insights, not to mention the humor!
SnarKassandra @ 65
9 going on 39. like most of my family, we are sometimes called “old souls”. Quite the little tiger, i am so proud of her.
Suzanne @ 56
There is actually some psychological research to support that.
Hi AK.
Cold blooded–Paul Wolfowitz on myspace: http://www.myspace.com/paulwolfowitz43
Mean, mean, mean! But funny, so screw him.
LoudounLib @ 67
thank you, but most of it is reflected glory. i am but a small mirror for far, far greater lights. the pawky humor is all mine, tho…:>
and now I must run. (Personal to DrDick — yes, I am working again tomorrow! ;-) ) Good night all…peace!
IIRC our governator here in the Golden State wants to build 7 more prisons. Heard the other day that by the year 2015(I think) we will be spending more on prisons than on education!
Now, how smart is that?
DrDick @ 54
My vote is to legalize everything. Hear me out please.
Legalize everything. Take the money currently being wasted in the “War on drugs” and spend it on treatment and education programs.
It would take away the violence associated with the criminal aspect.
It would take away most of the crime based on needing a fix.
It would exponentially increase the funds available for education and treatment.
It would assure the purity and knock out those types of problems.
There would probably be an initial spike in addicitions with people using who heretofore had not solely BECAUSE of the illegal nature.
It could more readily be controlled.
It would not get rid of all the associated violence from people going crazy on speed and such but would bring it down to a more manageable level.
It would decrease the prison system as there would no longer be all these people going to jail for their addictions. They would receive treatment instead.
It would not solve all the problems but it would make them far less severe in the overall sceme of things.
My $.02
LoudounLib @ 73
good night!
Suzanne @ 70
hey!
BTW, you saved me from myself. In several ways, but specifically about the Governator. I thought he was a genuine progressive who cared about people. After reading your experience, well let’s just say he lost a supporter. big time.
dakine01 @ 59
I wouldn’t call him stupid. Perhaps naive, but not stupid. Physicians are feeling more and more pressured – they’re squeezed by regulators, insurers and now getting malpractice insurance and being dragged into court for what may be very questionable cases. I think he didn’t know NOT to blog in real time about his experiences. Plus, I got the impression that his blogging held a real vent outlet for him. What I don’t know is whether he ever informed his own lawyer or blogged against advice.
At any rate, the opposition lawyers’ website crawled through my blog several times, and by way of reports of other healthcare bloggers, they also had their sites examined. I had an incredibly high number of hits from law firms from across the country. Very creepy.
Pachacutec @ 55
I like what you’ve been saying about new yawkahs, being’s one myself (b4 inexplicably ending up here in Dixie). I have always felt those qualities of bluntness, conflict-tolerance, etc. are very much “in my blood” — and (meaning NO disrespect to any other person or place), that they are not widely shared elsewhere.
LoudounLib @ 73
Night LL. We have to get you some time off here sometime soon.
Thanks, AK. He is about as trustworthy as Joe Lieberman, in my humble opinion.
I miss Dr. Evil : (
LoudounLib @ 73
bye LL. will see you tomorrow!
lolo @ 82
do you want me to send you his email add? do you think that is OK?
Suzanne @ 81
now that’s just cold. in this community, that’s about as total a condemnation as it is possible to provide.
Useful, that. If we don’t care for a politico, we just say “hey, he’s a JoeLieb!” or something equivalent…
dakine01 @ 75
I do not really disagree with what you say here. I am just ambivalent about it. It is particularly hard because I have seen and experienced up close the damage that can be done to people.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 68
someone called my own little girl an “old soul” back when she was about 3 (she is 12 now) and I was mightily pleased. Never heard the term used again until now….but it is so beautifully descriptive.
Cassie, good netiquette would state that one have permission before giving out someone’s email address.
lolo @ 82
Ditto! :-(
So much going on, I’m way behind. I read the Sestak thread late, and I’m still stuck on that.
oddmommy @ 79
I’ve lived all over the country including in upstate NY, and grew up in Kentucky. The south has mastered the art of passive aggressive behavior. In NYC and Boston and DC and such, you walk down the street and it’s a fight to get someone to look you in the eye with all the avoidance techniques. THAT was probably one of the msot diificult things for me to deal with living up in the norhteast and NEw England as I grew up catching everyone’s eye when I walked down the street and nodding my head at them. As I told a co-worker in the city, I was acknowledging their humanity as well as my own…
Suzanne @ 88
Lolo, if you leave me a comment HERE I can give YOUR email add to EDP if that is OK with you. How is that?
Suzanne @ 88
Yes and EDP is rather concerned about his privacy.
N=1 @ 78
Ah, the image of lawyers “crawling” places, just like cockroaches…..so very……apt. : )
oddmommy @ 87
one of these days the physics boys are going to discover how to reach the einstein side of our universe (we’re on the newton side) and when they do, i suspect a lot of ideas like “old souls” may become scientific fact. Just an opinion, IANAP…
His situation is why i seldom go on about work unless it’s soemthing like a severely stupid patient. I work retail pharmacy as a technician. So there are aspects of things i have to keep confidential as well. Even though it is retail, the corporation can still use it against me. Even though there are a lot of things about the insurance agencies and big pharma that make me very mad. I tend to avoid discussing it on my personal blog for the most part. If i did blog about it, it’d be behind several protections exactly for that reason. Much less keeping to the HIPAA standards.
The paranoia is justified, because it’d be me against Big Pharma and the very corporation i work for. I don’t always agree with some actions done on both of them, i’m there for my patients. I do my best to help them out, not the bottom line.
Cassie, that works perfectly :) I knew you would come up with something (smiling)
I feel like I lost a favorite teacher in Steve Gilliard. It was always a difficult decision whether to read him first or save him for last. His writing on history and the military was especially enlightening to me because his knowledge was vast and insightful. He was brutally honest and he brooked no nonsense.
He was also a foodie and gave great recipe. He talked about places in NYC to eat at cheaply.
When I read something I disagreed with I felt the need to really rethink my own position. Sometimes I changed my mind; sometimes I didn’t. But he challenged me, and I valued that greatly.
I’ll miss him. And my heart goes out to Jenn and his family.
Just one other thing. The connection we in the blogs feel with one another really surprised me. I never met Gilly, but I feel as mournful as if I lost someone I spoke with or saw often; someone I really liked.
Suzanne @ 97
cassie is the perfect example of “catch them young, train them up early.” Just imagine what she’ll be like at 21!
Alfred Kelgarries @ 99
Be afraid. Very afraid. We have met the future empress of the world and we are hers.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 99
I will be perfect by then! :)
Twain @ 74
One of the reasons is that the correctional officers union has way more influence than most other special interests in the state. I am all for unions gathering more influence, but in this case, it goes against society’s greater good.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 95
Have you ever read Many Lives, Many Masters by Dr Brian Weiss? He’s a Yale MD/Psychiatrist. He was treating a woman and making no real progress then decided to use hypnosis therapy for her. Thinking he was taking her to childhood, he took her to past life. Read it and discover what he found out. It’s a quick read but fascinating nevertheless and he has written a number of other books based on his research but that is the first. I know BN has it so would assume that Amazon does as well.
AK, glad to see you back!
Helpless Dancer @ 102
Maybe they will let Blackwater run them.
Helpless Dancer @ 102
It already costs more per year to imprison someone than to send them to college (including room and board).
Pach, thanks for your remembrance.
does anyone remember an old song by Joan Baez about “razing the prisons to the ground”?
dakine01 @ 103
that’s where my and others come from, the hypno regression. there is just to much detail there for it to all be made up.
and there’s an evolutionary angle too. if life evolves bodies (all that current evolutionary research can address) maybe they “attract” “souls” which use them in turn for their own evolutionary process. Or to put it another way, the fish REALLY DID want to walk on the land!
TribeScribe @ 104
thanks! hopefully i’m more centered now. still as snarky, tho! :>
N=1 @ 52
from what I read, the problem was not his being outed so much as it was his having written a number of really insulting things about the jury in his blog. When he was asked if he was the blogger in question, it opened the door to the jury hearing what he had to say about them.
He settled.
Polyblog @ 98
Thank you for this. Very well put; I share your view.
N=1 @ 78
I left a comment over at your blog (similar to dakine01’s, incidently). I guess we’ll see if there’s a secondary search effect.
SnarKassandra @ 101
Supremely confident, Eh, Missie?!!! Humility is a virtue not a vice…!!! :P
Twain @ 105
Don’t even say that in jest. I have great reservations about private military companies being allowed at all, much less operating inside the US.
Now you guys can tell me if I’m tin-foil-wrapped or not:
The other day I was responding to an email from a friend here in my state, and I said something like “Hi, nosuchagency boys!” This isn’t something I say often but it seemed to fit whatever article we had just read/shared.
And then when I sent the email, I clicked to see my inbox—-and it was offline. I had a bunch of other tabs open, and I could open and close them. But my email was offline for like 15 minutes.
Anyone want to hazard a guess?
I suppose lawyers will require us to shut down our blogging when we get involved in any legal dispute now.
I haven’t studied these concepts in any detail, but I do feel an inherent truth in them.
Also, in studies about the presences that deceased people leave behind.
So much is unknown about what is REALLY going on here……
Helpless Dancer @ 115
I really wasn’t jesting. Aren’t they talking about
privately run prisons – especially in Texas? Seems I read something about that.
“Life is about making tough choices. Are Democrats unable to make them now? Then they do not deserve to govern.” Kudos to Kinsley!!! Way to go Mikey!!! ;)
Evening everyone. Condolences to the bereaved, along with a heartfelt exhortation to revel in every second and seize every opportunity, as life is short and time is fleeting.
RonD @ 121
and madness takes its toll.
dakine01 @ 50
Yeah, this would be my nephew. He has Williams Syndrome and is all about keeping people happy. His IQ has been placed somewhere around 45. He can read on a 3rd or so grade level, writing is more laborious, and he generally functions around the age of a 4-5 year old. He’ll always live at home.
From the story:
Not wanting to copy the long healthcare blog lawyer crawl comment thread solely due to size considerations, but let’s consider it a symptom of a much larger problem.
Web Privacy.
The privacy laws for the web stink to high heaven, and even they are honored more in the breach than the observance as we old fogies used to say sitting around the campfire making our flint spearheads. Has anyone been keeping track of the new Google Earth Map controversy? People are being filmed without permission by google cars and subcontractor cars equipped with 360 degree cameras, and then random people seem them coming out of bars, adult entertainment establishments, their client’s homes or offices, and so on. This information is then available to anyone, free of charge, solely to draw people to the site to read the ads which provide the revenue that drives the whole process.
We need to start thinking about a new web privacy policy that is enforceable and consistent with web 2.0 technologies.
(End of rant.)
oddmommy @ 122
But listen closely,
Twain @ 119
Private prisons are currently a growth industry and a VERY disturbing trend.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 109
Dr Weiss said he bacame a believer when he was sent messages by the “spirit masters” for the young woman during her periods “between lives”. She would remember the information about her own past lifes after the sessions but not the messages from between lives. Yet she was telling Dr Weiss secrets from his own life during the between periods that she could not have known in any way.
One of his conclusions is that a lot of the things we are phobic about in this life are based on traumas in past lives. For myself, it makes me think that I was probably hung in a past life as I detest having things tight around my neck. I’d like to see him and get a session just to prove it. He claims that most of the phobias go away after the regression as the patient has confronted the fear cause and is able to move on.
Hill’s on the stage at the Iowa Dem. Party ‘Hall of Fame’ dinner! Dodd was just on, and rocked!!! (C-Span1)
EPU’d:
Gosh, that’s such a huge question.
Many chemicals are associated with increased incidence of learning disorder.
Autism and “learning disorder” are – formally – dissimilar diagnostic groups.
In practice, (
oh dear) “autistic spectrum disorder” is a diagnostic concept that includes some “learning disorders”.[All these diagnoses come from DSM-IV TR. Non-psychiatrists and/or non-physicians sometimes confuse the verbal pictures constructed by DSM committees with biological reality.
As the DSM-IV diagnoses rely on phenomenological criteria (stuff ya can see) whenever possible, the DSM diagnostic categories don’t translate into specific etiologies (disease causes) for most of the diagnoses.
UCLA has a really great scientifically based Child and Adolescent Psych service (if you’re in the region – or can travel there – and need help, they are superb for diagnoses and current effective treatment.)
Some clinicians I knew from there described their sense that some milder forms of “autism” seem to blend into “learning disorder” without clear biological demarcation.
As the role of synthetic chemicals in learning disorder is incontrovertible (some – especially organophosphate pesticides – clearly cause it), and the incidence of synthetic chemical use, learning disorders, and autism have risen together, the precautionary principle would suggest treating chemicals known to cause learning disorders as potential causes of other neurobehavioral diagnoses.
That said, I’m not able to find specific info re autism and glyphosate.
Your question is most reasonable: neural development (embryonic/fetal) is governed by interactions and signals among a whole range of hormones. To make matters more complicated, everything is on a timeline – if a signal is missed or goes awry, that step in the plans can simply be left “missed” or “mis-wired”.
In fancy medical lingo, the “hormone sytem” is the “endocrine sytems”.
The fancy medical term for chemicals that screw up our bodies’ own hormones is “endocrine disruptor.”
The new study I mentioned shows Round-up is an endocrine disruptor.
The new info about Round-up’s toxic effect on cellular estrogen levels during the baby’s earliest development suggest a very real mechanism by which Round-up could cause learning disorders. The possiblity, however, would require very extensive testing in the US system.
The EU has just adopted the precautionary principle; the precautionary principle leads us to regard all “endocrine disruptors” as potential causes of abnormal brain development – they share the same basic biological mechanism.
In the US, we do body counts (or diploma counts, for learning disorders).
First the chemical is released and harms us. Then we spend decades figuring this out and getting it banned.
Chemicals have rights, you know.
Unlike humans.
We have to die (usually lots of us) before some synthetic molecule loses its freedom and is pensioned off in a flask somewhere.
Round-up Ready soy, anyone?
Yum. Grown with extra endocrine disruptor!
Oh – and some other news on toxic mutant Round-up Ready Soy from Monsanto:
A preliminary research study presented at a scientific conference showed
The GMO soy (Monsanto’s Roundup-Ready soy) we grow and eat in the US is so toxic that more than half of baby rats fed with the stuff die in just three weeks.
Bon Appetit!
Food and Health and Hope
Oddmommy #122,
I did NOT think of that! Funny! But my sentiment is sincere.
CTuttle @ 128
I really want to like Hillary, especially if she is going to be the nominee, but I always feel as if I
am getting a stern lecture when she speaks. Anyone else feel that way?
How do you find out if a specific jail or prison is private or govt run? Which kind treats the people better?
dakine01 @ 127
one of the problems of the area is that as yet, science can’t detect consciousness directly. At present, all such anecdotes are classified as “unsupported by physical facts”; that’s why I say when the P boys get those tachyon scanners working, we’re in for a revolution in science, religion, philosophy, you name it that will make the enlightenment pale in comparison.
Cujo359 @ 113
Thanks for your comment. I’m really torn – I blog under a pseudonym, and I’m paying hell for whistle-blowing. With a career shredded and not serviceable as cat litter, blogging is my sole link to what I did professionally. It has kept me sane, if still eccentric. If (when) I’m outed, that will truly be the end of me. I guess I need to go private. I even declined a paying blogging contract because I would have to do it under my real name. I feel exposed, raw and very vulnerable.
The end result is that the whistle-blowers won’t, risk takers won’t dare, and there will be no effective outlet for free speech.
Cujo395 @ 125
But listen closely,
but not for much longer.
SnarKassandra @ 84
I would rather wait for his return. Maybe he’s lurking. *g*
Wordsmith @ 123
I have a cousin that is four or five years younger than me who operates at about 12 or 13 or so. After my aunt died, they built a “mother-in-law apartment on to her house for my cousin. Her sister moved into the house so family is right there but she has a sembalnce of adult freedom as well. But that’s the difference between operating at 4-5 and 12-13…
RonD @ 129
I know, and wholeheartedly agree with that sentiment.
Is anyone familiar with “Our Town,” by Thornton Wilder? That is its basic theme, conveyed with beautiful simplicity.
Cujo359 @ 125
Not for very much longer…
I went from Idaho to Ohio for drug/alcohol treatment (’free’ from the VA having been in the military & where there was a wonderful! women’s program). That was something I noticed instantly was the avoidance thing.
I helped my sister today with a garage sale and we had this guy stop by who is from Boston & moved out here 4 years ago. We were talking about the differences. He said people there live to work while here work to live. There’s more of a live & let live attitude here (believe or not!), and of course most everyone has hobbies, interests or something to do with the outdoors. Then there was the that whole thing about humidity….
Twain @ 131
I just think that she is a moderate Republican and not a progressive. She has all the qualities to be a good president (though I would disagree with many/most of her policies), certainly better than the current imbecility. I will hold my nose and vote for her if she is the candidate (God knows she is infinitely preferable to anyone among the Republicans), but would really like it if the Democrats nominated an actual progressive.
SnarKassandra @ 132
cassie, read this first, then follow the key terms as google search links.
SnarKassandra @ 132
Ironically, a Guvamint one is inherently better, cost factors are not scrutinized like CCA or other privately contracted Jails!!!
SnarKassandra @ 132
I think you can look that up. From what I have seen (which is admittedly limited), state run prisons do a somewhat better job. With private prisons, the need to turn a profit leads to cutting corners.
DrDick @ 141
Why did we all think she was such Progressive at one time? Was it her or was it us?
Twain @ 145
We thought she was progressive (and may be more so than she shows) due to her speech at Wellesley on graduating AND because she worked I believe for the Nixon impeachment effort and the children’s causes she supported and worked on in private practice.
But IMNSHO, the last real progressive nominee for president by the Dems was George in ‘72.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 142
So I looked at the FIND and searched for the name of my mom’s prison and it is not there. That is good, right? But look at this at the state website:
Education Employees *:
9
Contract Medical and Psychiatric Employees *:
Medical = 8; Psychiatric = 0
Offender Population and Gender:
387 Female
Maximum Capacity*:
576
Custody Levels Housed:
J1 – J5
G2, Transient
Special Treatment Programs:
None
Volunteer Initiatives:
Substance Abuse Education, Life Skills, Parent Training, Support Groups, Victims Awareness, Religious/Faith Based
dakine01 @ 137
This highlights another troubling problem. A large percentage of prison inmates are also at least mildly mentally disabled (IQs in the 80-90 range or less). There is unfortunately to little research (at least that I am aware of) on the significance of this. It does suggest that there are things we could and should be doing to help these people before they get into prison.
OT-There’ll be a repeat of the NY Book Expo from this morning on cspan2 @9:50pm (pt), 12:50am (et) and Valerie Wilson is part of it.
C-Span2.
Yes, tonight. It starts in about 15 minutes.
Twain @ 144
a 1st lady who is something other than a classy tea party sideshow sure seems progressive…..and when she becomes a senator on her own……..well, how can something unprecedented in American history NOT be seen as progressive?
In short: it’s not us.
Twain @ 145
***
Maybe part of it was her reflected glow from Bill’s charisma, during those pleasant years?
Dr.Dick #141,
Hillary has been fairly open about that. As the one-time Goldwater Republican she was, who worked on Goldwater’a ‘64 campaign, she said in her book that she felt the Republican Party had left her, not the other way around.
The following is from a HuffPo article by Thomas Edsall: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/…..50426.html
You won’t find the word “immigration” until the nex-to-last line. But that’s what it’s about.
Hitler was clever in forging a coalition among the the sentimental blood-and-land patriots, The Church, and the greedy industrialists. So was Ronald Reagan.
But now, the immigration issue blows everything apart, even the American labor movement. Some unions follow Caesar Chavez in denouncing illegal immigrants as “scabs.” Other unions are, by now, majority immigrant and take the opposite view. The division now troubling the successors of Hitler will soon trouble the successors of Marx. Sigh!
It’s been said (by NASA, no less) that we are from the stars
and to the stars we will return.
We are indeed composed of the same elements as stars,
just in different combinations.
I always thought that to be quite interesting.
imho, we’re not far off from the Einstein side of things.
We’re just now getting around to studying subtle energy.
Something I think some of us are more wired to sense -
and an eventual key to our complete understanding of one another.
I look into my toddler nieces’ eyes and see
very wise souls looking back. It is awesome.
And on the eve of the passing of our friend,
he is still among us, lives on through us and his words.
My sense is that in the weeks and months to come, he will be there.
Some evening to guide a hand to a piece of paper, or to a link,
or to make a connection between facts.
To secure the blessings of liberty for ourselves in ways
that we had not previously imagined.
(and to make peace with the Yankees) *g*
SnarKassandra @ 147
i’m not sure whether your find command worked the way it should, those things are way picky.
since you found the prison on the state website, it is probably government run. and yes, that’s much better in most cases.
dakine01 @ 145
and STILL speaking truth to power, bless his heart.
Alas…..what a difference a George makes.
TribeScribe @ 154
Sorry. I can’t make peace with the ef’fing Yankees. Just can’t do it.
But I can do the Time Warp
It’s just a jump to the left…
Twain @ 145
I for one never thought she was all that progressive (nor Bill for that matter). Perhaps it was the comparison to Reagan and the maniacs in congress. It is also wortyh noting that the more moderate Republicans (something I remember from antiquity) actually embraced some relatively progressive positions. As much as I hate to say it, Nixon was one of the most progressive presidents ever in terms of his Indian policy (I have to grit my teeth every time I say that in my classes).
dakine01 @ 137
This particular nephew is the oldest. He has a brother 13 months younger who folks always assumed was the eldest. It’s weird because sometimes we gravitate that way as well. He has three brothers, every one of whom understands that they will be responsible for their brother if or when something happens to their parents, more specifically their mother.
oddmommy @ 108
Heh. I was thinking today that we forgot to mention Joan Baez last night. And Donovan and Cat Stephens. That was sure fun!
oddmommy @ 156
My proudest political moment is knowing I was a McGovern delegate at the county caucus in ‘72. Didn’t go any further but I can make the claim honestly. And in 01/73 I got the bumper sticker “Don’t blame me, I voted for George” and drove my VW proudly.
Twain @ 119
I was about to say that the companies that run the private prisons aren’t military companies, but it turns out I was wrong. I just googled the name of the only company to come to mind that runs prisons(Wackenhut)and it turns out that they also provide ‘paramilitary’ services also. It appears to be too late. Next thing you know they be using these prisons as recruitment pools.
TeddySanFran @ 117
Our lawyers will wax ‘em.
…and then a step to the r-i-g-h-t…
time to say good night. back tomorrow.
SnarKassandra @ 147
That is not good, especially for someone like your mom. Unfortunately, Texas has long been, as Molly Ivins used to say, the national laboratory for bad government and nowhere more so than in the penal system. The guiding philosophy is “lock ‘em up and throw away the key.” If they suffer, so much the better. A bad and self defeating attitude, but still dominant.
Good nite, SnarKassandra. The best of all possible tomorrows to you.
Wordsmith @ 159
My cousin who is caring for her sister, married her husband AFTER he had a stroke after leaving the navy (they had both served). He’s been totally disabled since about ‘74. They raised to beautiful daughters who are now married and both of these girls helped care for their father and knew from very early that if anything happens to their mother, they will be caring for their aunt.
It’s what families do.
Joan Baez, ‘Billy Rose’
Polyblog @ 98
I’ve been feeling the same thing. I once read and commented on Gilly’s blog often back before the pie fight. (I took a long blogging break at that time. Sometimes I get sick of blogs and just need a break…) It occurs to me that I knew more of Steve’s daily life than I do some of my own blood relatives. I often knew what he made for dinner, what movies he had seen and which musuem he’d taken his young relatives to see. His tales of life in New York were a great comfort to me that first year I moved into the country from Atlanta and was missing city life.
I thought I was braced for this news but I’m surprised at how hard it has hit me. He was such a fighter, such a vibrant personality; I really thought he would pull through it.
My heart goes out tonight to Jen and his family – and to those in our brotherhood who are grieving this loss to us all.
RonD @ 164
just a bit of a mind flip
and then you’re in a time slip…
Helpless Dancer @ 162
Kinda like the Emperor and his Sadukar troops (who were no match for the Fremen however).
DrDick @ 166
Is that why she is still using even though she is in jail?
When they had her parole thing, we wrote to the judge asked him to send her to a psych hosp or a rehab instead of back out in the real public world. But he just said she had to wait two more years at least.
I’ve got to, keep control.
Joan singing it at Sing Sing Prison in 1972.
RonD @ 164
..with your hands on your hips…
LoudounLib @ 13
Thirdeded.
I don’t need the details. Family is family.
SnarKassandra @ 165
Night Snarkassandra…
Loo Hoo. @ 159
treasures all!
It always amazes me how incredibly prolific Donovan was….on my beloved XM folk station I keep hearing songs of his that I never heard b4.
“Season of the Witch,” one of my all times favorites.
And Cat (now Yusuf) I hear has recently returned to music. Interesting fellow….and half Greek too!
dakine01 @ 168
Only GOOD families. Aunt Betsy…(MOD NOTE: privacy issues removed at Aunt Betsy’s request)
RonD @ 152
I never felt she was duplicitous (though perhaps a bit calculating). I have a lot of respect for her and feel, as Oddmommy points out, that she has been a trail blazer and an example for other competent women. Unfortunately the policies she espouses are simply not, for the most part, terribly progressive. She is, at heart, a corporatist and not a populist. In this battle you either belong to the Money Party or to the People Party.
dakine01 @ 157
i muppe new to all this.
other than the BoSox-Yanks rivalry,
I don’t get it.
The history of the organization?
Bad trades? Ties to Rudy?
Please enlighten me *g*
TribeScribe,
Your post reminds me of a hymn I always loved that has the words, “the music of the spheres” in it.
That is what I think of when I hear certain music.
I think music is a life-enhancing thing, almost an element. I think it knits broken hearts back together, and binds us all together.
SnarKassandra @ 165
Good night. back tomorrow. (I’ll never pass up a straight line).
Thank you Kirk Murphy at 129!
To bed for me as well. Good nite, everyone-tell your loved ones that they are your loved ones and enjoy the moment.
SnarKassandra @ 165
Night Cassie. Sleep the sleep of the just.
SnarKassandra @ 165
night cassie! see you tomorrow!
dakine01 @ 172
At least the Sadukar were used as tools of government policy instead of going to whomever could afford them.
Wordsmith @ 175
She has such a beautiful voice.
RonD @ 186
bye RonD!
Did someone speak of the Fremen?
Also, back to old-time warfare:
RonD @ 151
John Dean might agree, but I do not. The Republican party has been a rock.
They loved Goldwater because he loved “states rights,” which was conservative-speak for “license to discriminate on the basis of race.” And Goldwater and his supporters damn well knew that.
They also loved him because he felt that taxes were theft, which was conservative speak for “Fuck the indigent, homeless, and the poor — their situation is their problem, and it should not take money from the wealthy.” Any Goldwater campaign worker who missed that message is too stupid to be president.
Finally, in 1964, the Young Republicans at my campus ran a float in the homecoming parade that showed B52s flying over the North Pole, with the inscription “Fly North or Pay Later” — an obvious call for a preemptive nuclear strike against the Soviet Union.
These were vile people and they remain vile people. If Hilliary thinks that they left her, rather than vice versa, she is one very sick person.
Cujo359 @ 189
was listening to Diamonds and Rust again the other day. Just a breathtaking piece of music, imo.
TribeScribe @ 182
My first sports heroes were the NL pennant winning Cincinnati Reds in 1961 when I was 9. The Yankees beat them in the WS 4-1. It was always the Yankees every year. Then when I first moved to New England in ‘75 (I was the only Reds fan within 150 miles of Boston that fall), I adopted the Red Sox as my AL team and just naturally fell easily into the hate Yankees. Steinbrenner is a delightful buffoon. I delighted in the Reds when they swept the Yankees in ‘76 and embarrassed them in doing so. I had to deal with a couple of obnoxious Yankee fans in ‘78 when I was stationed in Hawaii after the play-off. And so on and so forth…
TribeScribe @ 171
That wasn’t the next line! :p
*flips the switch on the Medusa Device*
SnarKassandra @ 173
‘Fraid so. You point out another problem, which is the availability of drugs in prisons and the apparent inability or unwillingness of prsion officials to control the prisons.
SnarKassandra @ 173
if you and TxB know she is using, can’t you use that fact somewhere to at least get her some treatment? Grrrrr….
RonD @ 186
Night RonD.
dakine01 @ 168
It is. It really is.
My own daughter has said she’s “backup” when it comes to her cousin. I don’t think any of them worry about it because he’s, well, himself. We know him, love him – and that’s that, and whatever it takes.
TeddySanFran @ 192
But of course, the Rummy dummy couldn’t be bothered with securing the armories for conventional weapons after the invasion because that smacked of planning…
N=1 @ 134
It’s becoming that way in government, as well. As more positions are converted from being civil service to being contractor-provided, it becomes easier to get rid of the “troublemakers”. I suspect this is yet another reason that it costs more to run this war than it did the last. There’s supposed to be an anonymous whistle-blower hotline, but with the current crew in charge I doubt many folks will risk finding out how anonymous they’ll actually stay.
Margot @ 183
Thank you, Margot.
Are you referring to Zeitler?
Pythagorus spoke of this. So did Kepler.
We’re starting to get it re: discourse
And I think it adds to the experience of
“dog years” as bloggers that Jane mentioned
: )
re NY Yankees: have heard a lot about them today in connection with Steve Gilliard’s passing. Don’t know a damn thing about baseball, but have been pleased to hear Yankee-bashing here…..because my late father always hated the Yankees. It had something to do with him having been a Brooklyn Dodgers fan before they moved to LA. Never understood the logic of that…..but enjoy imagining a Heaven where he could meet up with someone like Steve and bash the Yankees while floating happily along on a cloud…..
Wordsmith @ 200
I believe it was Robert Frost who said “Home is where when you go there, they have to take you in.”
My parents are dead and my sister, brother and I all live away but I know that all I have to do is make a phone call and I have a place to stay when I go back to my hometown. My sister also recognizes this. Our brother not so much.
oddmommy @ 194
I saw her a couple of years ago here…..2-1/2 hours. It was like no one wanted to go home!
Good evening dear friends.
I have this evening’s very healthy midnight snack for all to enjoy.
oddmommy @ 204
IIRC with the dodgers, it goes back to always losing the WS while the yankees were winning. The Dodgers finally won the WS and beat the Yankees the fall before they moved to LA which made it very bittersweet.
dakine01 @ 205
It is not just families. This is what real communities do. It is the fundamental point of having communities: to take care of one another. It is what separates humans from other primates and it emerges about 250,000 years agao in the archaic Homo sapiens like Neanderthal.
TexBetsy @ 207
hello TxB!
Are we allowed to ask you questions about things snarcassie has blogged here about? (the spook is unsure on the nettiquete…)
Evening Betsy. Quite a tasty snack as well.
TexBetsy @ 207
Evenin’ Ms Betsy. But I bet you’d get a better response with some sinful chocolate of some type… ;})
Ugh. Sleep cycle still off kilter. Should be sleeping but here I am.
Pach, if by some miracle your protege should scrape up a little cash, I thought of another suggestion — although I realize now his time is limited.
Ask him to comb the local papers and see if there are any auctions, particularly estate auctions. This is a good way to pick up the proverbial low mileage old grannie’s car. Have seen a number of them go on the cheap, but they have to be paid for at the time of the auction; if he sees an auction with a car of interest, he can call the auctioneer and ask to put in a bid even though he’s not present. He should also ask them how licensing and insurance are usually handled after the close of the auction.
Let the buyer beware, though. Just bought a piece of yard equipment at an auction only to find it had major problems — we didn’t inspect it carefully, trusted the auctioneer too much (we’d always done very well in the past by him).
Will audit the checkbook and see what I can muster to help. Maybe he’ll have to consider Rent-A-Wreck for a few weeks until his co-worker is back in the groove…not cheap, but a very temporary solution.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 210
Ask away. I may choose to not answer, but feel free to ask.
DrDick @ 209
and more importantly, it appears to be hardwired…linky!
Thanks, TxB.
TribeScribe @ 154
((((((((((((TribeScribe))))))))))))
dakine01 @ 205
My parents are dead and my sister, brother and I all live away but I know that all I have to do is make a phone call and I have a place to stay when I go back to my hometown. My sister also recognizes this. Our brother not so much.
I know that one! Hang on….it’s Death of the Hired Hand, I think.
Ah….Death of the Hired Man
Your brother may surprise you.
TexBetsy @ 207
Yum, thanks! BTW, I’m watching the Book Expo on CSPAN, but I didn’t see Valerie Wilson on the panel. Did she not attend because of the problems getting the book published and the lawsuit?
TexBetsy @ 214
is there any thing you can do about the fact her mom is still using drugs while in prison? INOMB, but cassie is such a wonderful person, and i fear her mom may become worse rather than better, something she surely does not need…
Man in the Mists @ 196
d’oh! I must’ve time warped ahead!
*ahem*
you bring your knees in tight…
dakine01 @ 208
ooooooh. That does sound painful.
Appreciate the info. All those years I was growing up, never thought to ask why.
Chocolates for those who ate at least some of their veggies. :)
TeddySanFran @ 191
I’m peversely fascinated by such statistics. (What conclusions do you draw for wounded/killed for Iraqi troops in Desert Storm?)
The claim is that in Iraq superior medical technology has kept the ratio of wounded/killed quite high, i.e., our casualty figures are much higher that our deathcount would lead you to believe. Now, you’re telling me, the enemy has found ways to increase the lethality of his attacks. Are we talking EFPs, or art we talking attacks on relief convoys?
Off to visit my book, ‘Vice’ - reading about The Big Dick….it’s scary.
Great conversations today!
Does anyone know how to Madison?
Open bold tag closed
Alfred — My sis-in-law has permanently lost custody of Snarkassandra. She has never made a serious effort at sobriety in or out of prison. Our best bet is to advocate for her but not plan on her being a part of Cassie’s life.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 215
Well, it certainly represents a significant transition in human behavior and a major (and relatively sudden)cognitive transformation. Altruism, caring for others, is a human universal in modern humans, but it really does not exist in other primates (or only to a limited extent) or in human ancestors before the emergence of Homo sapiens. Suddenly you see deliberate burial of the dead, a dramtic increase in life expectancy and people who are surviving for years after crippling injuries.
Wordsmith @ 128 says:
Unfortunately, no he won’t. I stood up for him for years beyond what everyone else in the family put up with but a few months before our father died he blew it big time with me.
I’ve come to believe that when he was born, the elves came into the hospital and stole my brother and left a changling. My sister thinks he had some type of brain surgery when he was stationed in the Phillipines while he was in the AF.
TexBetsy @ 228
oh, much better now. of course, i do hope the lady gets better because i wish that for all. but my immediate concern was our cassie, and so that’s not a worry anymore. thanx.
(whew) here I was thinking it was going to be the old granny panty or thong question, tb
DrDick @ 229
I seem to remember that Neanderthals buried their dead, or are they also homo sapiens?
Cujo359 @ 226
*A pained look crosses MitM’s face as dozens of heads pop out of the lake and yell as one: “ASSHOLE!”*
Suzanne @ 232
FYI, girls, I don’t have a clue what you are talking about. I intend to keep it that way…in the interest of what few shreds of my sanity remain!
Suzanne @ 232
Suzanne, I’d at least expect you to buy me dinner and treat me like a princess for a few dates before we get to that kind of issue.
TexBetsy @ 223
NOT for we who were trying on clothes in dressing rooms today! : (
TexBetsy @ 228
This is part of the ongoing tragedy Pach speaks of above. I know what you mean though, as my son’s mother has/had similar issues (though not prison).
DrDick @ 199
Isn’t Ron a peach?
Man in the Mists @ 234
One thing I’ve noticed in these videos is that the pauses seem much longer. In a movie house, there’s always sound, thanks to the audience.
Suzanne @ 232
So Suzanne:
granny panty or thong?
DrDick @ 238
Her losing custody is actually a good thing.
This one’s for you, Steve
Gone Away – The Offspring
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujcKIQlfvLU
kirk murphy @ 241
neither
TexBetsy @ 223
Thanks TexBets!!!
Cujo359 @ 240
Sound, flying rice, toast. There’s many things when you go to a theater show. :D
I have never seen Rocky Horror.
Cujo359 @ 233
They are one of several varieties of what is referred to as archaic Homo sapiens. Same species as us, but different in some regards, both physically (much more robust – a female Neanderthal could have benchpressed an NFL lineman) and mentally (they do not seem to have had fully modern minds, though much more so than earliy forms). These archaic forms emerge about 250,000 years ago. Fully modern Homo sapiens (us) merge about 100,000 years ago (or more) in Africa, but do not appear elsewhere until after about 50,000 years ago (through migration from Africa).
Suzanne @ 247
I haven’t either but I have spent many hours driving kids to and from at midnight. I think I’ll watch it.
Pro Iraq War Group Wants to Buy Camp Casey.
Published June 3, 2007
From The Seattle Times:
FORT WORTH, Texas — Days after Cindy Sheehan said she was stepping down as the face of the anti-war movement, an organization that supports the U.S. intervention in Iraq said Friday it plans to buy her protest site outside President Bush’s ranch.
But Sheehan doesn’t want to sell to just anyone.
“It’ll be a cold day in hell before she sells it to them,” said her sister, Dede Miller. “She’ll sell it to them for $5 million.” -Continued
Suzanne @ 247
The only time I ever saw the whole thing was the midnite movie at some obscure theatre on Oahu when I was in the AF. We’d gone and picked ‘Shrooms that afternoon and made ‘Shroom tea mixed with OJ…
Twain @ 249
uhoh. two wergins!!!
Twain @ 249
Please do. CLASSIC movie. Must watch at midnight on a weekend.
TexBetsy @ 236
I’ll treat!!! Both, either/or…. :O
Suzanne @ 227
mea culpa – I beg forgiveness. :~(
TribeScribe @ 252
Okay, I have to ask – what are wergins?
damn, i’m a wergin?
TexBetsy @ 228
I can’t even begin to imagine what that child has been through. And to see her as the centered, thoughtful, creative young person that she is nonetheless….. all I can say is, Wow. If people are looking for good news amid the despairing wreckage that surrounds us, she is it.
TexBetsy @ 242
Oh, absolutely. I terminated parental rights on my son’s mother when he was about 12 (she had made no contact with him since he was 3). We have to act to protect the children in cases like this, but I really wish there was more that could be done for people like Casie’s mom and my son’s mom.
TribeScribe @ 252
hee-hee
(((((((TribeScribe)))))))
your “star” comment made me cry – thank you
Suzanne @ 257
Coulda fooled me!!! ;-)
I’ve harassed many a Rocky Horror line stander but never saw the movie. I understand that it must be seen in a theater – in costume? My education appears to be sorely lacking in some areas.
oddmommy @ 258
She is also very fragile in many areas, sensitive about many issues, and has an extremely low frustration level. But …. she is making remarkable progress in all areas.
Twain @ 249
Bring a trained audience or you’ll miss half the fun.
dakine01 @ 251
Sounds like my vague memories of my experience.
TexBetsy @ 228
This is so sad. There is one thing though that Cassie and everyone else should be mindful of, and that is that Cassie’s mother, although apparently incapable of raising Cassie because of her own personal difficulties, produced the Cassie we know that expresses intelligence and drive. The Cassie we know is a part of that person who is so troubled and undoubtedly suffering. Snarkassandra has something special and her mother has contributed somehow to that quality. I hope one day they can both see the miracle in each other. I hope her mom gets some help that will work.
Twain: Virgins in this case are people who have never seen RHPS in the theater with a cast. They’re usually marked with a V in lipstick and sometimes participate in “devirginizing events”. Don’t worry, your clothes will stay on, although I do remember this one guy who went up in just his underwear…*loses track of the conversation*
TribeScribe @ 202,
(This is the hymn I was trying to remember: “This is my Father’s world, and to my listening ears
All nature sings, and round me rings the music of the spheres.”}
It might very well sound like Zeitler.
How cool! Reminds me of the theremin
in a way.
I think of Bach’s “Air on the G-String,” actually lots of Bach, and Sibelius, and certain parts of the opera Carmen, Aretha, Humble Pie, etc.
DrDick @ 265
What’s the old line, “I musta had fun; I don’t remember a thing…”
Remembrance
I use a dial-up connection. In order to maximize my online time my usual practice is to let a site load and then save it to my hard drive. Invariably the site I would open first once off line would be the Newsblog. I truly enjoyed his no bullshit style and was looking forward to him dishing the dirt on Rudy Giuliani. Now every time Rudy’s campaign makes some bullshit statement that goes unchallenged I will feel a pang of loss.
Oh Alfred, just scrolled up through the comments. SO glad your questions were about Cass’s life and not mine. Suzanne, any way to scrub some of that?
Man in the Mists @ 267
I surely hope that my clothes stay on – I’m 73 and everything has moved south. My kids always went to the movie (probably 10 times) in full costume and carrying bags of stuff to throw.
TexBetsy @ 271
ooops. forgot cassie might see. second the scrubbing!
kirk murphy @ 260
my condolences & yvw
and i was inspired by this comment from
Chris @ 35 on Jane’s thread for Steve
and so it goes…
Helpless Dancer @ 270
Be sure to pay attention here when watertiger goes to town. Rudy don’t get cut NO slack.
And I try to always mention the names of Abner Louima, Amadou Diallo, and Patrick Dorismond whenever Rudy is the topic.
Suzanne @ 262
I’m telling ya! I first saw it when I was 16, part of a three-show marathon; “Reefer Madness”, “Up in Smoke”, and the “Rocky Horror…” as the Midnight special, in the now defunct Kona Theater!!! ;)
Dakine01 These stories must be widely recounted! Many people do not know what happened.
Abner Louima, Amadou Diallo, and Patrick Dorismond
In Phoenix, I used to go to the weekly midnight showing with some friends. We never dressed up, but one of my friends knew some of the cast members, so I definitely participated in a couple of “virgin games”.
It wasn’t all bad though, since I ended up dating one of the cast members after a few months.
before the scrubbing begins….TexBetsy, let me also say that I have the utmost respect for what you have done for Cassie……and understand that it can’t have been easy.
oddmommy @ 279
seconded most profoundly!
oddmommy @ 279
Likewise. You have done an incredible job helping her through and out of a terrible period. You literally have been a life saver for her. You really are one of my heros.
CTuttle @ 276
just one toke….and all my cares…..go up in smoke….
Margot @ 268
This piece is enthralling.
very nice :)
oddmommy @ 279
Suzanne has already scrubbed the comment I wanted deleted. And THANK you. She’s actually far easier than my own son, who is acting every bit the teenager right now. Some major stress in his extended family that’s got him a bit on edge.
The only scrubbing was to one comment and dealt with privacy issues. Not a big deal (except to those involved)
Now what are virgin games?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 280
Thirded, or whatever we’re up to.
TexBetsy, Thank goodness you are there!!! I’m very proud of SnarKassandra and you too!! I can relate to Cassie.
LS @ 287
She and I have a lot in common, but I had none of her self-assurance at that age, or any age.
LS @ 277
What did happen?
TexBetsy @ 288
She is quite remarkable and inspirational and YOU are TOO!!!
TexBetsy @ 284
amazing creatures, these teenagers. Been warned all these years, but….
My own precious little “old soul,” ahead of the game always, is acting the teenager too, though still 6 months from her 13th birthday. This morning, for example…..leaving at the crack of dawn on a Girl Scout trip, she was mad at me……in my bleary stupor at the time, not quite sure WHY…..since who da ya think got all her stuff ready for her last night…..but, oh well.
Loo Hoo. @ 289
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abner_Louima
I haven’t read the comments yet, but Pach I’m so glad you’ve written a piece for Steve. I can’t get him out of my mind, thinking about how irreplaceable and singular he was. Just no one like him.
All day I’ve been thinking about how much he suffered these past few months. When he was conscious it must have been hell… he couldn’t speak and he couldn’t write. And what he must have been going through I don’t even want to think about. And then this last month when things took a turn for the worse with his body it must have been agony.
I went to a Hindu chant this evening so I could sing to Steve. I don’t think that was his bag, but I had to offer up something to him. I feel more peaceful now, thinking his suffering is over. It’s just so hard to understand how someone so precious could be gone. I’m not surprised that he passed but still, I’m in shock and don’t know how to process the fact that he’s left us.
Goodbye, Steve Gilliard. You were something extraordinary. You were.
Loo Hoo. @ 289
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amadou_Diallo
oddmommy @ 291
In my experience, both with my own son and the children of friends, is that they all mostly go crazy and at least episodically stupid from puberty until somewhere in their late teens or early twenties.
Suzanne: Of the two I remember most clearly, one was called “All you can eat for under a buck”. In this one, one guy and one girl were brought forward and a dollar bill was placed in the waistband of the guy’s pants, which the girl would have to grab with her teeth. Then the same was done with the dollar bill in the neckline of the girl’s shirt, which the guy would have to grab with his teeth. Naturally, both were encouraged to “make it showy”.
The other one (whose name I don’t remember, but I ended up doing), had one person standing legs apart over another person lying on the ground. The person lying on the ground would then be picked up by their hands and feet by cast members. The object was for the person lying to buck and knock the standing person off balance.
I’m sure there were other virgin games done in different theaters.
Loo Hoo. @ 289
Courtesy of Wikipedia:
Louima.
Diallo.
Dorismond.
Loo Hoo. @ 289
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Dorismond
Rocky! Ah, fond memories even tho i’ve never seen it in a theater either. But i spent many a night with my living room filled with teens busy replaying scenes on the video so they could memorize the lines. As designated parent driver, my car was known as “the Rocky Bus.”
The other one (whose name I don’t remember, but I ended up doing), had one person standing legs apart over another person lying on the ground. The person lying on the ground would then be picked up by their hands and feet by cast members. The object was for the person lying to buck and knock the standing person off balance.
Sounds like when we were practicing riot and crowd control techniques. I can do that!
Oh yes, LS @ 298, I remember that.
Loo Hoo. @ 289
Here’s a good summary. They are three unarmed young black men who were killed by the NYPD during Guliani’s administration.
[sigh]
well…..thanks for the heads up. : (
We cannot permit more Gouliani time…no way.
Suzanne @ 285
like MitM said, usually some visible lipstick “V”
(usually on the face). and then,
sometimes a red balloon between the knees…
sometimes wergins have to ahem, do the honors
for one another. or depending on audience,
they may arrange the order of events depending
on the relative “apparent’ innocence of said wergins.
usually very impromptu *weg*
DrDick @ 295
to me, the worst part is that they are all certain that they are physically unbreakable and can not die. it is as if they suddenly think they’re young gods. neither myself nor any of my family ever had that particular manifestation of “adolescence”, altho we had plenty of others! :>
Jenny from the Blog @ 292
Jenny,
I wrote an email to Jen early this morning, something I’ve never done before. I just wanted her to know people cared about her and so on.
Then to find out….
I just cried.
Suzanne, I’m sure your would have done better then the girl that was trying to knock me off my feet, and I was by no means heavy! (6′ and about 150-160 lbs)
LS: What happened to those three was utterly dispicable, but what happened to Amadou Diallo I have to wonder if it was accidental.
I had a good friend who swore her darling children were stolen by evil trolls during the night while they were still pre-teens. The evil trolls replaced her well behaved children with identical evil twin trolls that hung around until 18 for girls and 22 for boys.
Of course, she was smoking a leafy green vegetable matter at the time but it still made sense to me, as a mom.
Trouble keeping my eyes open. Maybe time to get some sleep. See you later.
LS @ 304
for those who most righteously seek anti-Ghoul sympathy, check out rudepundit…..also a student and friend of Steve Gilliard.
Suzanne @ 309
Someone replaced my sweet boy with a tall, foul-mouthed lazy bum.
TexBetsy @ 310
Night, TxB!
g’nite txb. sleep well
TexBetsy @ 310
Night Aunt Betsy.
Goodnight TexBesty!!:)
oddmommy @ 94
Oh, I dunno … I don’t think our profession has more scumbags per capita than any other line of work. Ours do tend to get more pub, however.
I have a pretty conflicted point of view about med mal litigation, and products liability litigation as well. I generally tend to think that med mal litigation serves an important public function. So long as the medical profession chooses to not effectively self-regulate, the market for medical services needs some sort of mechanism for weeding out incompetents; litigation indirectly serves as that mechanism, by forcing up insurance rates for docs who repeatedly get sued. And yet … there are certain specialty areas that are now underserved because nobody can get insurance.
As I said to a non-lawyer co-worker not long ago, one person’s “frivolous lawsuit” is another person’s “market mechanism.” It is worth remembering that the coffee at McDonald’s was dangerously hot, and it no longer is. Think they would have changed it if they hadn’t been sued and had to deal with all that adverse pub?
Night, TexBetsy. Sleep well.
nite TexBets! sleep well
Margot, just a punch in the gut, isn’t it? I just have no more words, really, just wanted to connect with some other people who felt the same way today. It’s a terrible loss of a wonderful and vibrant human being who had so much to contribute. He worked so hard.
I started crying when I read Jane’s tribute earlier. Thinking about Gilly and his backpack full of books and thinking how hard he worked and studied, and shared. Maybe a little bit of his lust for life and energy will become a part of everyone who admired and loved him.
Thanks, Margot. Peace.
Well, I think I will head to bed as well. Take care all and enjoy the snark.
I’m going go away too. As the song says, I like to get some sleep before I travel. North Bend Or. back to San Jose. It was a nice vacation while it lasted.
Am I too old (in my 50’s) for Rocky Horror? Will I put a downer on the crowd just because I am older than the typical viewer?
DrDick @ 321
night dd and hd. we’ll keep the snark warm for tomorrow.
Dang, AK, us older types are outlasting the younger pups tonight.
Suzanne @ 323
You and I are approximately the same age, and I have never seen “RHPS.” It just never appealed to me. Now, “Monty Python and the Holy Grail,” well, that’s another story.
Of course not Suzanne! Hell, I’ve seen grandparents go with their grandkids on a regular basis.
burnspbesq @ 326
It really just depends on how much camp
you can take ;) Anyone willing to make
an adventure out of it welcomed –
Tunes for Third Gear
Can’t You See – Marshall Tucker Band
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEOV5vWfSgI
Suzanne @ 325
“Old age and treachery will beat youthful optimism and idealism every time. The trick is to only practice the treachery on those who are already treasonous!” Harry Harrison, The Stainless Steel Rat Goes To Heaven.
Suzanne @ 325
Not all of the younger pups (29). :P
Suzanne @ 323
[whispering] to tell you the truth, Suzanne, Rocky Horror like many cult phenomena is vastly overrated.
(you didn’t hear it from me)
The song is fun, tho.
I read 317 3 times. Sounds right to me, but what do I know.
“Old age and treachery will beat youthful optimism and idealism every time. The trick is to only practice the treachery on those who are already treasonous!” Harry Harrison, The Stainless Steel Rat Goes To Heaven.
That had me laughing out loud on a day when I sorely needed a laugh. Thank you, AK.
Permission to brazenly steal that?
burnspbesq @ 326
“The shoe! Believe in the Shoe!”
“The Gourd! Follow the gourd!”
My dad (graduate theologian specializing in the period’s judaic sects) would chuckle and laugh almost continually at that movie!
JftB — great thoughts, thanks for those.
the backpack fulla books part of Jane’s story really hit me hard, too
“Maybe a little bit of his lust for life and energy will become part of everyone who admired and loved him.”
Without doubt, here, there and everywhere.
((((((((((Jenny))))))))
burnspbesq @ 326
I posted the rabbit clip and the castle clip earlier…so funny.
I’m 54, Suzanne.
Suzanne @ 334
you are asking another thief. i brazenly stole it from an old sf novel as noted in the attrib. AFAIK HH is deceased, so he probably won’t mind..
hey, i have a file called “cleverbits” which is where i keep all the pithy sayings i find on the web and in email sigs. perhaps I could post a few gems for you…?
Alfred Kelgarries @ 335
ya know, I was a teenager in the 70’s and I never saw MP&THG until about 2 years ago……laughed my ASS off.
Ere you cross this bridge of death…..you must answer me……these questions THREE……
Alfred, thanks for all the great links today. You must be a speed reader!
I gotta figure out how old I am, I kinda stopped counting at 50. I will be 53 in October of this year. Humpfh, thought I was older than that.
oddmommy @ 341
dammit, i’m thinking of “Life of Bryan”, or “Wife Of Bwyan” as its known around here. THAT’s the movie for graduate theologians. Holy Grail was just pure camp, total python.
oddmommy @ 332
true. it’s like most things that you do once,
just to see what it’s about.
otoh, i have a soft spot for the performing
troupes who keep it alive and take on the
challenges of camp and gender-bending.
some better than others.
an experience for sure.
Late Late Nite is up :)
Loo Hoo. @ 342
yep. can’t see much out of my right eye, so i overcompensated. (birth defect not injury) turned out to be a major blessing when it came to computer screens, cause i could read them about five times as fast as the other wonks. I cheerfully used that little gift to climb the PS ladder until I found a rung I liked.
Suzanne @ 343
me, too!
… and, so, g’nite, ‘pups.
A Love Song
Here Without You – Three Doors Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J8q4cBSkTQ
Suzanne @ 343
In her most recent book Jane Fonda used an analogy about life being three acts – IIRC – Act I birth to 30, ActII 30-60, Act III 60 -? so you are still something of a delightful squirt by her reckoning dear Suzanne.
Alfred Kelgarries @ 335
I say “Ni” and bring me a shrub!
TribeScribe @ 351
“Or my name isn’t Roger The Shrubber!”
thanks, npb, I feel like I’m more Act IV tonight.
Ya’ll know we moved upstairs?
Loo Hoo. @ 185
Loo Hoo, thanks for your question.
If you know anybody blogging about health in pregnancy, I hope you’ll pass on the news about how Roundup screws up estrogen levels…
in embryo cells…
where one screw up is a life time
Round-up is an endocrine disruptor.
The new study shows Round-up fucks with the very early estrogen hormone message.
And Round-up fucks up embryo hormonal function at the low levels a pregnant mom could encounter with the stuff in her yard.
Don’t worry – it’s on her (Round-up Ready) GMO food, too.
That’s what “Round-up Ready” means – the food plant you’ll eat survives enough Round-up to kill the normal plants.
And you get to eat the mutants that were doused in Round-up.
Yay – your Round-up Ready mutant food comes with EXTRA endocrine disruptors.
This study makes me hope all moms who are pregnant or breast-feeding (and women trying to conceive), or breast-feeding stay as far from# Round-up as they can.
For them, the precautionary principle suggests:
Never use Round-up (or allow its use) in or around your home (or work, if possible).
Never eat GMO foods – many GMO foods were mutated to allow more endocrine-disrupting Round-up.
Eat organic. Organic standards forbid GMO’s.
GMOs extensively contaminate non-organic food – and you have no way of knowing – the GMO vat people made sure their mutants weren’t labeled in our food supply.
Or our childrens’ food:
Ain’t GM food technology grand?
I hope you’ll pass this on to any pregnant women in homes or workplaces where Round-up (glyphosate) is used.
_ _ _ _
*Roundup use increases miscarriage rates – even if use stops before conception.
# Precuationary principle would suggest pregnant females and females who may wish to be pregnant avoid exposure to Roundup and other pesticides whenever possible. (The “late abortion” study above shows preconception exposure to another pesticide class – thiocarbamates – also increases “miscarriage” rates.)
Suzanne @ 56
I agree.
This blog seems to be all over the place and I am coming in late on the initial issue. Back to the guy in Houston, how can people in Houston help him? Does he need a ride, when, where, etc.?
As one who lives in Houston (and mostly likes it except when I come back from travelling to and get to see really beautiful parts of the world and them am pissed off for about 2 weeks that I live here), Houston can be a mean place to live if you’ve been convicted. Harris County that sends more people to death than almost anywhere in the world. And I understand probation is hell here. One slip up and you are back in jail.
So anyway, how can HOUSTONTIANS help him? What part of town is he traveling in, etc.?
VERY offensive, begging in the same post that you’re eulogizing Steve.
How bout YOU lend your friend some money, and he pay YOU back?