I already covered some of this at my place, but I wanted to make sure the subject got a wider audience. If David Brooks' latest travesty of a column is any indication, it looks like the Republicans want to set up a McCain-esque Straight-Shooter-Who-Will-Clean-Up-The-Beltway narrative around Fred Thompson:
Thompson’s core theme is that there is a disconnect between the American people and their rulers. He campaigns against concentrated Republican power almost as much as he does against concentrated Democratic power. Though a Republican, he’s able to launch a reasonably nonpartisan attack on the way government has worked over the last 19 years.
This suspicion of concentrated power in general and Washington in particular is not some election-year conversion for Thompson. It stretches back his whole life. He began his career, remember, investigating the Nixon White House. As Stephen Hayes reminded us in The Weekly Standard, as a young staffer on the Senate Watergate committee, Thompson asked the question that revealed the existence of the White House tapes.
He went home to Tennessee and became a protégé of Howard Baker, whose party apparatus has always had a folksy, country vs. capital ethos.
As a senator, Thompson investigated the Clinton campaign finance scandals (poorly), and established a reputation on one issue above all others: federalism….
(…)
He tells party strategists that there is a tide in the country against the way Washington does business, which he is best positioned to ride. He says the 2006 election was not primarily about Iraq, it was about corruption and pork-barrel spending.
(…)
Fred Thompson’s political skills are as good as anybody now running, but his challenge is going to be building a concrete agenda on his anti-Washington message…. For if there is one thing the last 30 years have taught us, it is that campaigns that are strictly anti-Washington do not command 50 percent of the vote because they don’t address the decentralized global challenges that now face us.
Notice anything… missing from that little mini-hagiography of Fred Thompson, Anti-Washington Crusader? Like the fact that he was a high-powered corporate lobbyist for almost two decades in between "asked the question that revealed the existence of the White House tapes" and "investigated the Clinton campaign finance scandals"? And not a very scrupulous lobbyist, at that:
Over about two decades of lobbying… Thompson made nearly $1.3 million and represented clients including a British reinsurance company facing billions of dollars in asbestos claims, Canadian-owned cable companies, and deposed Haitian President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, according to government documents and media accounts from his first run for the Senate in 1994…'There's nothing wrong with lobbying. It's an honorable profession,' Thompson spokesman Mark Corallo said…A year after stepping down [from the Senate], he registered to lobby for British reinsurance company Equitas Ltd. The company paid him $760,000 to guard its interests against several bills seeking to protect businesses from asbestos lawsuits.
[Thompson] spent eighteen years as a registered Washington lobbyist, doing the bidding of such high-powered clients as General Electric and Westinghouse, pushing for the passage of the deregulatory legislation that led to the savings-and-loan crisis of the eighties.
Sounds like just the guy to clean up the way Washington does business, right? Okay, maybe his extended look at the underbelly of politics changed him. Maybe he wants to clean up the the amoral swamp that he wallowed in for so long. Maybe- Wait, I've just been handed this note:
[B]ased on his two-plus years as an Assistant U.S. Attorney, Thompson informed the audience, "In no other prosecutor's office in the country would a case like this one have been brought." Apparently, other prosecutors tolerate perjury and obstruction of justice. In addition, later in his speech, Thompson explained, "I have called for a pardon for Scooter Libby. When you rectify an injustice using the provisions of the law, just as when you reverse an erroneous court decision, you are not disregarding the rule of law, you are enforcing and protecting it."
Um. Well. I'm sure there's a perfectly good explanation for Thompson defending perjury and obstruction as non-crimes. I- Oop, I've just been handed another note…
Backers look for Fred Thompson to use a June 2 speech to Virginia Republicans to step closer toward the race. Thompson allies have had discussions with Tim Griffin, the Arkansas U.S. attorney and Rove protégé, about taking a top job with the campaign.
Tim Griffin? The Ragin' Cager who just resigned? The US Attorney who may actually be a criminal? That Tim Griffin?
I don't think Thompson's primary opponents will use any of this against him, as it would require them to admit Republican wrongdoing (heresy!). But if he does get the nomination, the Democratic nominee should frame him as a pro-corruption Beltway insider. We will be happy to help, of course.
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eli
Hiya, kirk!
zed?
Thompson? Bring him on! Now!
Thompson or Rudy. Either one. I am licking my chops.
Great post Eli
Josh at TPM got his digs in too
woo-hoo!
Great post, Eli.
Thompson will be toast – hope he has the whole “TeeVee” star glass ego.
This will be fun.
Freddy is a natural. The religious right hates all the other candidates- right? So here’s Freddy- a southerner- and probably used to playing the cultural issues- so he’ll be the darling- whoops- cept for the much younger trophy wife with the boob job.
Thanks, Ironyesc8psem!
I blogged the lobbyist angle at my own place, but had forgotten about Tim Griffin, and didn’t know about his defense of Libby. Amazing that he can portray himself as an anti-status quo outsider.
Didn’t Thompson have a role in the movie class action?
The main thing is that Thompson is the tallest candidate yet- and the tallest guy wins 80% of the time- look at Gore and Clusterfuck!!
rwcole @ 7
Hasn’t she been known to say some… intemperate things?
Let me be exceptionally clear about this. I do not like the practice of regionalism.
At least we won’t have to watch his wiggly jowls on L&O anymore.
rwcole @ 10
Didn’t work for Kerry. Neither did that whole October Redskins home-game jinx, or whatever that was…
Eli
I don’t really know- I’ve been hoping that she once did an almost forgotten spread for Hustler- but we’re usually not that lucky.
I would say that Irony totally escapes him
I’m not sure if Rudy and Judy or Fred and the Puppies would be more fun to watch blow-up.
As it were…
rwcole @ 15
On the one hand, I would think Larry Flynt would pop up with that the second Thompson announced.
On the other hand, I think he’d be smart enough to wait until after Thompson’s the nominee…
Ummm…rulers??? I think we have a focking problem right there.
eli- Yeah- it’s proof that Clusterfuck stole Ohio- the Redskin thing was SOLID!
I will go after Thompson for his actions and his philosophy, but not for the fact he is from the south.
Eli
Yeah- but he wouldn’t be able to muffle the giggling.
OK
Good for you!
Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton are from the South. I voted for both these men twice.
rwcole @ 16
hey guys, just because the lady has certain, uhh, attributes doesn’t imply that she’s got that particular skeleton in her closet.
punaise- No- unfortunately- it does not- but a guy can hope- it would be just too perfect- like a total eclipse at noon.
How about a torrid affair with Margaret Carlson?
Reagan was allowed to have a divorce because Nancy and him really did seem like a fit.
You see Thompson’s wife and the fit seems more “trophy”.
Though you never know how the religious right will find Fred, they seem to forgive the repubs all sorts of moral failings that would sink a Dem in their eyes.
From Reuters through HuffPo: thompson didn’t work that hard as senator
Al Gore is from the great state of Tennessee. Truman was from Missouri.
Annie
They’ll forgive anything as long as it happened before you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior..Sometimes after also- if yer a gooper and if ya claim the devil made ya do it.
AnnieW @ 29
Dobson has already declared Fred is de*d in his eyes as a candidate. Not sufficiently Christianist. Of course, as always, subject to change as reality intrudes in the form of whomever the Dems nominate.
rwcole @ 31
Is there a limit to how many times you can hit the born-again reset button? Is it just the once, or can you keep doing it over and over?
Eli
That’s a very good question. I’d call my mother and ask her- but I think she’s watching basketball.
Eli @ 34
Ask the newt. It seems to be a re-generating/renewable energy type deal…
dakine01 @ 36
cold few-shun!
dakine01 @ 35
Well, newts *are* able to re-grow stuff…
dakine01 @ 36
Newt’s “green”?! ;-)
LoudounLib @ 38
It’s his favorite color, I think. Maybe not the same shade you’re thinking of, though.
I like the Thompson candidacy.
He spent a lot of time in Hollywood- chances are someone has film of him doin coke an starlets.
and apparently god has told tom delay that newtie’s adultery was worse than tom’s egads
LoudounLib @ 39
In a mucusy kinda way maybe…
I don’t think we should fool ourselves. This guy could be tough.
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – Fred Thompson, a Hollywood actor turned White House contender, had a reputation while a U.S. senator of being frustrated with the slow-moving legislative process and preferring dining with friends to late-night congressional sessions.
But the 64-year-old Republican, who retired from the Senate in 2003 after serving eight years, was also seen as a charismatic speaker who exuded confidence, battled government waste and abuse and backed campaign finance reform.
http://today.reuters.com/news/…..OMPSON.xml
Would love to see a Fred “Tommy” Thompson and Tommy “Can You Hear Me” Thompson ticket for the Repukelickins. A Thompson Twofer! That would be too much fun…
Somebody needs to remind conservatives that, the last time they didn’t like any of their candidates and chose a random pretty face, they ended up with George W Bush.
bonkers @ 44
The Thompson Twins.
Yeah- Delay’s doesn’t count because he did it BEFORE he was born again- and he wasn’t screwin anyone outside the bounds of holy matrimony at the time of the impeachment- of course- neither was CLINTON!
I am pleased to see that goopers can nuance with the best of em.
In truth, I think you can do it until you die…but not that different from the idea that confession let’s you come clean, too, if you’re really, really sorry.
Poll:
Campaign ‘08/You Decide
Should the Democrats reveal The Fred Thompson Scandal after he gets the Republican nomination and then derail his campaign.
or
Should the Democrats reveal The Fred Thompson Scandal now and nip his campaign in the bud.
And there’s this:
Thompson was admitted to the State Bar of Tennessee in 1967 and worked as an assistant U.S. attorney from 1969 to 1972. He was the campaign manager for Republican U.S. Senator Howard Baker’s successful re-election campaign in 1972, which led to a close personal friendship with Baker. He later served as co-chief counsel to the Senate Watergate Committee in its investigation of the Watergate scandal, (1973–1974).
He was responsible for Baker asking one of the questions that is said to have led directly to the downfall of President Richard Nixon—”What did the President know, and when did he know it?” Also, Thompson’s voice has become immortalized in recordings of the Watergate proceedings, with him asking the key question, “Mr. Butterfield, are you aware of the installation of any listening devices in the Oval Office of the President?”[10]
In 1977, Thompson took on a Tennessee Parole Board case that ultimately toppled Tennessee Governor Democrat Ray Blanton from power on charges of selling pardons.
Eli @ 47
naw, we get the “Thompson twins” if Fred runs by himself…
Hi droll Lector, ick!
Yeah- he’s a gemini?
Pro-corruption beltway insider? not Treason Thompson?
Sigh
I always lose
Eli and dakine, actually it was dakine’s comment about renewable energy that put the “green” thought in my head — but dakine is right about a mucusy kind of green ;-)
rwcole @ 54
The Missus…
David Robinson @ 49
Depends on how scared you are of Thompson as the nominee. But I would say wait until he’s the nominee. If you go after him now, you simultaneously make the Republicans think you’re scared of him, which might make him *more* likely to be the nominee, and at the same time you’ve inoculated him against it in the general election, because it’ll be old hat.
A lot of people sold Reagan short. Look what happened.
dakine-
Ah- them twins!
LoudounLib @ 56
I figured Eli’s comment could fit with mine or designate money either one…
dakine01 @ 30
Matthews was hitting on this theme. He wondered if Thompson ‘had the juice’ for a presidential run.
Personally, I think Rudy/Judy would be easier to beat.
There’s a certain shade of green that the puppy’s dumps get after eating grass.
I thought the money that backed Bush is now backing Romney.
I truth I think Romney is more formidable than Thompson.
Gooper faithful are waitin fer Newt- hang onta yer wallets boys an girls- the newter’s comin!!!
Don’t under estimate Fred. Pat Brown in Cali did that with Ron. And we know what happened.
AnnieW @ 63
He could be a handful in the general, but I think he’s going to have a hard time getting there.
AnnieW @ 64
I believe you’re correct about the money people going for Romney but there’s also a lot of CW thinking now that with Tim Griffith interviewing with Thompson, that KKKarl’s putting his imprimatur on Ol’ Freddie.
Hillary against Fred. I dunno.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
I’m not saying to take him lightly – just don’t let him define himself as some kind of crusading outsider, because he’s not.
In an act of great compassion- Laura has sent her texas tailor to consult with each candidate’s spouse.
Lets see if Scooter gets any real time, he should, if he does.. how does freddie defend that?
rwcole @ 70
What about her pharmacist?
Republican actors have a way of beating Demos. Look at Arnie.
Ironyesc8psem @ 71
Might be interesting to ask him if he would pardon Scooter, if elected. He certainly makes it sound that way.
Eli
She isn’t THAT compassionate. Laura has the opinion that if there’s gonna be any drug business- she wants her cut.
Eli @ 70
Surely there are contribution records and disclosure agreements in the public record from his 18 years of lobbying. Combined with his Senate years, would go a long way to refuting any “outsider”meme he may try to push down our throats.
Lets not forget the made-up pick-up truck story he used to look folksy.
I want to see his wife do the talk show circuit. Jon Stewart? Colbert? That would be fun!
Eli @ 70
And that’s exactly what Ronnie and Arnie did. And won. ;0)
Oklahoma kiddo @ 78
The media will eagerly embrace this exciting and heroic storyline. We will have to push back against it, and probably prod the Democratic nominee to do so as well.
Do not make the same mistake we made with Reagan!
RevDeb @ 78
Hmmm? Colbert interviewing Mrs T? And where would his eyes be focused I wonder?
Eli @ 80
We are now on the same page, in the same book. ;0)
Eli @ 75
Fred needs to be asked that question point blank…they’ve fired up the wingnut base to demand it, but the general public isn’t so soft on good old Scooter.
Also, get him on record on immigration…the base and the big $$$ disagree mightily on that issue, don’t let him wimp out with agreeing with the premise but not the law crap, either.
There hasn’t been this much excitement in Right Wing World since . . . Shwarzennegar.
AnnieW @ 83
That’ll be an interesting one, considering that he’s a corporate big money guy who pretends to be a folksy populist.
Great post, Eli.
I just have to wonder why it is we even have to worry who the Republicans put up. Bush wasn’t acting alone.
AnnieW @ 64
well. if ya like a guy who seems to prepare for his debates by reading the PNAC 2000 playbook.
As for a Thompson/Thompson ticket: Vote early, Vote Ugly! What a pair of mugs.
noblejoanie @ 86
Ah, but Thompson had nothing to do with it. He wasn’t in Congress when they were rubberstamping everything Dubya did. He can always claim that he would have voted differently.
noblejoanie @ 87
But the MSM ain’t gonna tell that story
drive by-just got back into town this afternoon-
heard on npr today john dickerson slate article-sorry no link, slate website probably has it–called fred thompson lazy—-said talk about him in the senate was that he was lazy and that his ‘running for office’ would be net-based, ergo he would be able to bypass the hard work involved in running for national office……..
my opinion, he’s a sound-bite man, a drive-by, little effort for maximum impact, he won’t last. unless people fall for the less is more effect. in other words, he’s a ‘poser’. just mho.
The amusing thing is that the clappin’ for ponies crowd will still frame Better Fred than Dead as the anti-corruption candidate in spite of all of this.
Such well developed fantasy lives
Jane Hamsher @ 92
Big-Pharma provides the tools methinks…
Jane Hamsher @ 91
The 28-percenters will vote for *anyone* the Republicans trot out there, because at least they’re not a Democrat.
A red pickup truck? That would be great for collecting the brush you’ve just cleared.
David Robinson @ 85
True, but now the Republicans I know are all freaking out that “Mr. Shriver” (their description of Arnie) isn’t really a Republican.
This was again a case of the big $$$ interests winning over what the Republican base wanted. In CA, the Republican base always chooses the hard right, impossible to win in a general election candidate. The recall alone made Arnie the candidate possible.
Bedbug, I learned the secret of your name from the spelling bee competition!
http://www.spellingbee.com/07b…..ound07.htm
Jane Hamsher @ 92
If they could sell the Chimperor, they can sell anyone! Someone reported a while back that he did a lunch speech as a warm-up a few weeks ago and fell Very Flat.
I don’t see the charisma. Anybody?
AnnieW @ 29
But Reagan was 1980 – a million political years and many cultural years ago.
What may hurt him with the Christianists is IIRC he married his first wife right out of high school cuz he knocked her up. Sorry – don’t remember where I heard/read that.
AnnieW @ 95
The other thing about the recall was that it was such a short process, there was no time for CA to get over the “Ooo, wouldn’t it be cool to have The Terminator as our governor!” idea and start to realize that he wasn’t real qualified.
RevDeb @ 98
I sure didn’t see it when he was tapped as “photogenic” and camera worthy back during H2Ogate.
our campaign strategy should be simple;
show lobby dollars and then the law those dollars bought
we’re gonna show the oil lobby dollars and then the clean air bill, we’re gonna show finance lobby dollars and then show that now only rich people can declare bankruptcy
for every lobby dollar we can show law that dollar bought
we will even blame democrats with the same conflict of interests but we will yell at the toip of our lungs;
THIS HAS TO STOP, WEALTHY CANNOT BUY THE FUTURE FROM OUR CHILDREN, WEALTHY CANNOT BUY LAW SO THEY CAN CRAP IN OUR KIDS AIR, THEY CANNOT BUY LAW SO THEY CAN DUMP IN OUR GRANDKIDS WATER
camoaign reform, it’s got to be extreme transformation if our democracy is to survive
and WE will be the party that keeps jobs in America, WE will be the party that is for national security, WE will be the party that gets government out from under our wives dresses, WE will be the party that get’s the influential to STOP stealing our bussiness secrets, that get’s the influential to be PUNISHED when they steal from us and our kids
Eli @ 94
As long as it’s only 28%, we don’t have to worry. it’s the rest of the low info voters that are scary.
David Robinson @ 50
Helen @ 98
Lot easier to keep skeletons under wraps without the internet breaking the media’s monopoly on news and reporting.
I agree. But the repub base likes that type. The wife, maybe not so much.
Eli @ 100
Issa funded it ’cause he thought be Gov
There is a Goddess.
Well, I liked him in Cape Fear…he seemed trustworthy, that is until he failed at his job and got whacked by DeNiro.
Make no mistake. Thompson is beatable. The key is in the approach and a willingness to pull out all the correct stops. We can hit this guy hard, and come up smelling like a rose. If done properly.
RevDeb @ 102
Well, if they *all* vote, and everyone else turns out at 50%…
I think turnout is a huge key to the Republican election strategy – it’s a force multiplier.
Keep your eye on the prize. That’s what they’ll be doing.
I will support the nominee of my party for president.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 109
Make no mistake. Thompson is beatable. The key is in the approach and a willingness to pull out all the correct stops. We can hit this guy hard, and come up smelling like a rose. If done properly.
Is Hillary polling below Fred yet?
I think a bigger threat than the media’s love for Fred Thompson would be an independent run by Bloomberg.
That wouldn’t just split the right wing vote.
If they run Fred, it is not going to be a piece of cake. It will not be a roll-over.
AnnieW @ 114
Unfortunately, a Bloomberg funded Bloomberg/Hagel or Hagel/Bloomberg ticket would be quite formidable…
I use these two as I’ve seen a few stories where they talked nice about each other…
AnnieW @ 113
I just can’t see Bloomberg running. I don’t think he’s… quixotic enough to be a third party candidate.
All the praise that I’ve heard/read of Thompson from Republicans is always about how he “communicates” not about his experience or ideas. It’s about he makes people feel.
And remember that Ronnie was “The Great Communicator.”
jayt @ 113
Is Hillary polling below Fred yet?
I don’t know if there has been a matchup yet.
cal @ 118
Very good.
My gut agrees, but something about him reminds me of Wes Clark, who also should have been formidable, and wasn’t.
Fred can chew on cigar and bash Moore in a video clip(instead of in person) and impress some in the blogs, but that kind of shit can work against you also.
Right now, if there’s any possible Republican nominee that worries me, it is Fred Thompson.
Eli @ 80
We’ll need to do it well before there’s a Democratic nominee. The time to define your opponent is before he defines himself.
It doesn’t have to be complicated — “Oh, you mean Fred Thompson the career lobbyist? Is that what you’re looking for in a president?”
AnnieW @ 121
That right.
Redshift @ 123
Correct.
Redshift @ 122
I’m in favor of referring to him as “lobbyist/actor Fred Thompson”.
We are a celluloid (video) society. And with Thompson that is worrisome.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 115
I don’t think we have any way of knowing. It’s good to prepare, but just because desperate Republicans are casting about for “the other guy,” and that he’s an actor, doesn’t automatically mean he’ll be formidable. He looks tough now because he hasn’t had to get down in the mud yet, and there’s no telling how well he’ll do once he does.
Remember, for every Ronald Reagan there’s a whole passel of Fred Grandys.
Trouble is… Fred was a Senator, and did a hell of a perceptual job during Watergate.
Redshift @ 127
The question that we have not answered yet is, Can he take a punch?
rethuglicans love to campaign against washington
the current president still snickers and complains about politicians in washington, as if he wasn’t one himself
fred thompson — lobbyist, former senator, and presidential candidate — should be the framing on this one.
Eli @ 126
I like it. It points to what everyone knows about him, so it’s clear who you’re talking about, and prompts for the question “what do you mean, ‘lobbyist’?”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 122
Frankly, he’s no Reagan.
Love him or not, Reagan came off as a consistent, “nice”, affable, “America First” kind of guy…the kind of guy that could sucker union guys in Detroit into thinking they were voting for someone on their side.
Thompson comes off as a tough, egotistical, arrogant guy, whether or not these attributes are true. I do not see the “folksy charm”.
More like Cheney than Reagan in the long run.
Problem is, Thompson hasn’t done enough in the political world to scrutinize. Kinda like Bush in 2000. Yep, perfect candidate.
Ironyesc8psem @ 42
Boykin to Osama: My God is bigger than yours.
DeLay to Gingrich: Your adultery is bigger than mine.
Thompson to Giuliani: My twins are bigger than yours.
also — if it’s rudy vs hillary, she will trounce him
for those not from nyc, a bit of history:
when rudy was running against hillary for the senate seat she has now been elected to 2x, he was already slipping in the polls when his divorce by press conference and his prostate cancer allowed him to quit “for personal reasons”
hillary beat rudy once, she can beat him again
also: when was rudy’s last cancer test? you never know when it might come back
I really hope there are already some YouTubers at work on L&O parodies.
I’d love to see one that works in his statements about how Libby’s perjury and obstruction aren’t real crimes, but that’s probably too obscure for the general public.
solai @ 133
…On the *elected* side.
I under-estimated Reagan when I lived in Cali. He was just an actor. I didn’t really take Arnie seriously when I vote against the recall. I am not about to make those mistakes again. I’m smarter and tougher now.
wtf @ 135
I think all that really proves is that she’d beat him in New York.
one other thing re thompson:
if anyone starts to say that obama doesn’t have enough experience, flip it over to thompson … not enough experience? surely you don’t mean that a lobbyist would be better?
Start with the premise that “he can take a punch”.
Eli @ 140
Just when you think they can’t get any dimmer, their lights go out – Another Episode of You Can’t Make This Stuff Up!!
Help Republicans Define Themselves!
wtf @ 142
Especially a lobbyist that helped bring us the S&L crisis.
Eli @ 140
Or that Rudy’s a quitter.
AnnieW @ 133
His handlers can deal with that.
Headline from the AP wire at Earthlink:
Biden Scolds Dems on Fox Debates
Biden must be feeling lonely without any of the ‘name’ candidates planning to show up.
Sorry, Joe, you wanted to be there.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
What Freddie ain’t
AZ Matt @ 143
i’m in ur brand, polishin ur turds.
Look at it this way. Leave nothing to chance. The Republicans won’t.
AnnieW @ 146
Not a lot of people know much about that at this point. We’d have to do a lot of educating about it and the younger voters will totally not know that history.
eli at 130
i can see him ducking a punch but not taking one…….better yet, someone who fakes that he got hit, so he can call the other guy bad. i really don’t see any substance in someone who married for tits. sorry, just don’t see it.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 148
Yeah, his handler will “cage” him ha ha
solai @ 147
rudy a quitter: lol … that’s a good one
quitter. quitter. quitter.
Bring Thompson down now. He’s a shapeshifter that will be whatever the Republican poohbahs want him to be. They will craft a clever narative to win over a not so clever MSM and a gullible and semicomatose public.
Bluetoe @ 156
They’ll do that with whoever the Republican nominee is, though.
Eli@145
That’s because we in NYC outnumber those in the burbs. But go into the burbs and look at local politicans and it’s pretty red.
Is this a direct quote from Brook’s article?
If it is, someone should inform him that America doesn’t have rulers, not even in the figurative sense.
That’s downright offensive.
Just don’t take Thompson lightly. It would be a big mistake. The man can act.
If we’re lucky, they’ll hire Bob Shrum.
Fred Thompson is another republican candidate perfectly poised to be underestimated. Like Reagan, like Bushes, like Pataki, like the governator. How do progressives fight the vaudeville act republicans throw at us again and again? Merde.
Helen @ 158
I don’t doubt it. I think that’s true of most states, really.
Gunga Djinn @ 159
Yep.
Remember. This man was a U.S. Senator. He’s been around the block
See a tongue-in-cheek list of the top ten reasons GOP voters prefer Fred Thompson…here:
http://www.thoughttheater.com
perhaps if there had been blogs back in the day, we could have prevented reagan
let’s do all we can to prevent thompson
undoubtedly he will do much himself
Lorenzo @ 73 @ 163
Very good.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 161
teevee and movie acting is in short spurts with many chances for re-takes. If he were a stage actor, then maybe he can act.
How does he do when he’s not scripted?
AnnieW @ 161
Believe me, I have dreamed of such a thing. He’s theoretically retired from losing elections, but I still fear that the Republicans will figure out a way to lure him back.
At least one Republican gets it:
Please feel free to send them ideas!
“How does he do when he’s not scripted?”
implosion; one can hope
there should be a dead pool on the date of rudy’s public meltdown; i’m calling it for about the first week in november
Might there be archived CSpan snippits of Fred doing his thing on the Senate floor?
wtf @ 171
Mike Stark should ask him some questions about ferrets.
RevDeb @ 169
The same could be asked about Reagan. And Arnie.
RevDeb@169
How does he do when he’s not scripted?
Ahh – but how much will be not scripted?
Again, unlike Reagan, not so well. At least not in Orange County. They were disappointed.
from a small Conservative website (you might think it’s a parody but sadly it’s not):
#76
The phrase “President Fred Thompson” would be like a big hug from Jesus.
Comment by jennifer | 5/30/2007 – 4:59 pm
http://polipundit.com/wp-comme…..1#comments
Whoa, that is offensive. Talk about a disconnect.
Oh man, my irony meter is going berserk.
Thompson’s involvement with the Libby Defense Trust and his public statements about the case should by themselves be enough to disqualify him for the Presidency. I would love it if it turns out that he wrote to Judge Walton, but he’s probably smart enough not to have done that.
David Robinson @ 177
I am trying to wrap my head around this and failing miserably.
Please understand, the Republicans are going to run the person who they think has the best chance of beating my party. All other issues are secondary to defeating us. ;0)
So what are we saying. The Republicans won’t run Fred?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 182
I’m saying that Jesus’s hugs are overrated.
What should and could happen may be different.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 182
If that were the case, McCain should have been the candidate in 2000.
All the false talk of him being the “maverick” and a straight talker had many Independents and a good number of Dems completely fooled.
I think he could have trounced Gore back then.
OT. We’re shelling Somalia.
Because 5″ naval guns are so surgical.
allan_in_upstate @ 186
Have you ever seen Bush operate?
Interesting, about the comments on the “hugs from Jesus” site that David lists…any time a comment is even mildly critical of Thompson (e.g., that he is “contentless”), the standard reply is “Yeah, but they said that about Reagan, too…”
Reckon that’s a meme we’ll be hearing about Repub candidates in general?
allan_in_upstate @ 180
I agree. When I heard him spewing the Republican talking points about Libby I immediately blew him off as a viable candidate. He was spewing before it was abundently clear (to all but us, that is) that Valerie was covert. The question now, I suppose, is how much denial the moderate repubs are in.
Eli @ 188
Yes. This is the result. Not pretty.
Helen @ 190
NOT covert, that is
dakine01 @ 36
Newt is trailing Ron Paul at Intrade Prediction Markets, and Newt is losing ground.
Ron Paul is moving up
Helen @ 191
Covert, not covert, what’s the difference.
Actually I don’t care who the Republicans run. I do care about who my party runs though. And I think it wise to prepare for Thompson or any other GOP candidate. And Thompson would, I think, make a strong candidate.
Eli @ 193
Bwa ha ha…thanks, Eli
rwcole @ 35
If it’s the NBA, there’s no game tonight. But a re-run of last night’s game is worth a view.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 194
Jerry Crawford of Iowa supports Clinton!
http://blog.washingtonpost.com…..-col-blogs
OK Kiddo,
One winger has told me that at least Thompson’s not McCain, Romney, or the adulterous pro-abortion Rudy.
I figure it doesn’t take a lot to be an acceptable GOP candidate. THey want a warm body who doesn’t cause a crisis of faith.
It’s a tribal thing, and quality just doesn’t matter much.
Margot @ 198
How well do you think the little Mrs. will fit into the tribe?
I am not ready to begin thinking that just because a lot of people are tired of Bush means they are also weary of Republicanism or ‘America first’ ideology. This election for the next president is not going to be a cake-walk.
Hilary will lose to Fred.
Obama will lose to Fred.
Mauimom @ 196
would love to see the OTs I missed!
I dunno about this, guys…
He’s pretty darn good.
TiredFed @ 201
Please run, Al…please….
accept no substitute
TiredFed @ 201
Ya think? To Fred???
I really am not convinced at this point why Thompson would not be a tough opponent.
Worried @ 203
Seriously, with what?
Rasmussen
Hillary 47 Thompson 44
and that was last week
Check out some of his campaign ads from his senate race. The dude comes off pretty darn likable.
At a high level, I would say that any Republican candidate who wants us to stay in Iraq is going to have trouble.
Loo Hoo. @ 207
I have no doubts on this.
I wonder how Iraq issue will be handled in 2008, especially if Turkey invades the one part that seems to be doing alright after our invasion.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/…..y.iraq.ap/
What a mess…at least we know that whoever the Republican candidate is, the entire Iraq mess will be blamed squarely on Clinton and the “surrendercrats”…with a few swipes at Carter.
Plus, I’m from Tennessee, and I have seen him campaign up close. They tried the lobby thing then, and it backfired, and he was running to replace Al Gore, so it wasn’t like it was just another Republican replacing Republican.
I’m a Gore supporter. But Thompson would be formidable.
We will still be at war. Who will the majority of Americans vote for under those circumstances?
Gore would wipe the floor with Fred.
TiredFed @ 216
Whoever convincingly promises to get us out.
If any.
I like Thompson on a personal level, but don’t agree with him on any issues. He’s a good guy, and one tough debater. I’m a Gore guy too. Heck, even Democrat Governor Bredeson was saying great things about Thompson in the newspaper yesterday.
There was someone (Cliff Schecter?) who opined on a thread a few weeks ago that it would be TN vs. TN rather than NY vs. NY in the ‘08 election.
Eli @ 220
Hmmm. Do you think that worked for Nixon over Humphrey? and mind you, I didn’t say who I would vote for, but who the majority of Americans would vote for.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 31
Do you think there’s anything to the fact they’re running Giuliani from New York to oppose Hillary from New York and now there’s talk of Gore getting in the race, so Thompson, also of Tennessee, jumps in?
What kind of political calculus is that?
dakine01 @ 220
Sounds good to me. Gore is still my first choice by a huge margin.
TiredFed @ 219
When there was speculation that both would run for Governor in 2002, they had polls up, and it wasn’t even close, Thompson was ahead by like 9%. You guys haven’t seen him debate, I have.
TiredFed @ 221
If there is a candidate promising to keep us in Iraq running against a candidate promising to get us *out* of Iraq, the candidate promising to get us out will win.
If they’re both promising the same thing, or the out-of-Iraq candidate isn’t convincing, then it’s up for grabs.
The media is already calling FT an “outsider”
Pleeease he is about as inside as you can get, and Tweety is in love with him.
I find the man boring myself, sure he has a nice way about him, but he looks tired and old , and the man has cancer.
I am not sure I would vote for Edwards because of sweet Elisableth’s cancer, but this closer, this is the actual man they are putting out there who has an incurable cancer. the media is taking this waaaay too lightly imo.
Eli @ 225
me three. he is a giant among pygmies in this race. if only he would run. I worry he wont get in after someone has the nomination locked up before the convention, which is very likely.
And also remember that Gore was supposed to wipe the floor in with Bush in the debates. Don’t get overconfident. If you want to win over the less rightwingers, don’t insult them. Engage them in debate. By calling them a bunch of names, you only piss them off.
TiredFed @ 223
Yeah…”Secret Plan” and all. Just took more than four years and another 30 some thousand US troops dead to come to fruition; i.e., the same terms he could have gotten in ‘69.
Worried @ 224
Like with the Hillary-vs.-Rudy argument, all this “proves” is that Thompson would win Tennessee.
Doc Dump Friday Has Arrived!
Only it isn’t the DOJ doing the dumping, its the BBC! And NOW we know the reason for Griffin’s sudden exit from the USA post. It had NOTHING to do with his possibly joining the FT campaign, rather it was SUPPOSED to prevent him being subpoenaed to talk to Conyers about “caging”.
Seems Mr. Palast had a little chat with Conyers a couple of days ago, and that led the stalwart legislator to say to NBC: “Gimme!” Apparently the BBC already has.
Griffin jumped ship the next day, but Conyers has made it clear “we are not done with him by a long shot!”.
And Conyers supposedly has a SMOKING GUN EMAIL to and from Kommisar Karlosivitch via Griffin showing KK was directing the whole caging business, WHICH IS A MAJOR FELONY!
Now, let’s see if, to avoid fulfilling his ah “fantasies” about prison, mr rove would care to flip Darth and Chimpy? can you say “suuuuure!”
The Friday Night Follies Have Begun!
OT — Just back from “Pirates,” where I finally learned what “dry powder” means. long movie had me thinkin: What if Bush pardons Libby while he (the president) is out of the country next week?
Somebody, quick, point out the error of my ways!
It’s a pattern for the neo con shadow government. They are very adept at taking the very valid concerns of the american public, putting an empty headed personality at the head of the stick and waving it in front of americans. With Reagan it was “morality and common man.” With Bush it was the ever famous “compassionate conservative” and with Thompson it will be “republican clean up man”.
It’s a trick America…and I hope to hell that the dems will stop pussy footing around and make the connection in a very real way with the american public. How about Reagan talking about “trickle down”, and then a Bush talking about “compassionate conservatism” and then Thompson about being an outsider not an insider and then a few blurbs about his lobbyist days and what he say about Fitz…the part that is obvious lies, and then say “America, don’t let corporate america rape us again.” No more corporate welfare.
I can’t even believe this happening…like a bad nightmare. Americans need to get control of our elections…fast. All they need to do is make it look plausible that they won.
Speaking of Iraq, here’s a stark fact from a new Mother Jones feature titled Iraq 101…
Eli @ 227
would be wonderful to have such a stark choice. Haven’t Hilary and Obama both said we would be in Iraq for years to come? Did you hear what Bob Kerrey was saying on Bill Moyers? With Dems like that, who needs Republicans.
In 2002, the whole tough guy, post 9-11 thing was all the rage. Repubs were walking on water at the time, kicking ass and taking names. What was Bush’s favorability rating then? I bet he was still pretty popular….
I leave you tonight with this thought folks: ;0)
We don’t want to put the south at risk again. How many of you are comfortable relying on the John Kerry Electoral Strategy?
the repugs are acting like fred is the second coming of jesus. timed to save them………..let them believe, he’s a false prophet.
nite all.
TiredFed @ 235
Which is why I’m so furious at the Democrats for not uncategorically opposing the war. Edwards is the only one of the big three who is doing so, bit I think he’s kind of a lame campaigner.
Eli @ 232
I don’t believe it proves a thing. Al never ran against Fred. The only poll that matters is the vote. And if we don’t look after the vote, it will be Republicans as far as the eye can see, forever.
Richardson might be the strongest. If we go to far to the left before the election, we’re screwed. Think with you’re sense before your heart.
TiredFed @ 241
Which is why I put “proves” in quotes.
Did Mr. Thompson have anything to do with Dick Cheney buying for Halliburton that major asbestos company before he embarked on subverting the Constitution and driving Halliburton’s stock price sky high?
On the other hand, the R’s learned in 2006 that you can’t write of the entire Northeast.
I’m sick of our side being wishy washy and trying to play to a certain demographic. Take a frigging stand.
People respect it, even when they disagree.
You guys are forgetting that The 2nd Great Communicator beat Gore in Tennessee. I mean, that’s embarrassing for me, and I love my home state, but give me a candidate I can work with here.
Worried @ 246
Last I checked, Tennessee was pretty red. And Gore was a very different person back then.
Eli @ 245
yeah, i gotcha. I was trying to reach past you to Worried. sorry
I mean, come on. Harold Ford almost pulled off the impossible, because he was able to connect with Rural TN hillbillies. It’s not impossible to have a candidate that can appeal to the south. But Hillary and Obama are not it.
Edwards would’ve been perfect if he wasn’t such a weak campaigner. Evan Bayh would’ve been perfect. Mark Warner would’ve been perfect, but as of now, we’re stuck with the machine, who has absolutely no chance of winning any red state. That leaves back right where we started.
TiredFed @ 248
No problem. I don’t think Worried is reachable, though.
Late Nite upstairs
Worried @ 251
Yeah, unfortunately it’s Fred.
HuffPo columnist Chris Kelley has this observation about Thompson…
TRex upstairs dissing the Beatles for New Wave ;})
CD @ 254
That he’s in touch with the common man? No fancy-schmancy expensive facelifts for Good Ol’ Fred!
solai @ 179
Did he really say that? Wow!
Boy, I hope he was talking about a measuring tape.
Worried @ 243
Bob Shrum, is that you?!? Hey, I hear Fred “Tommy” Thompson is putting a band together. You might wanna give him a jingle. Godspeed, Bob.
Not particularly proud of this, but I’d never heard of Fred Thompson till about 3 weeks ago.
AnnieW @ 214
That’s why Dems should elect someone like John Edwards, who is truly anti-war, in the primary and then in the general election the Republicans should throw up their hands in disgust at their perpetual-war candidate and vote in Edwards by acclamation. Give the Liberals a chance, despite the fact Edwards isn’t so terribly Liberal, and then if things don’t go well they can blame it all on Liberals and ban ‘em from Presidential politics for another 35 years.
Yeah, toss it to Liberals, they like the really hard problems.
Helen @ 190
Whoops.
It seems like this guy won the most like Ronnie contest. I think he goes down quickly if he aligns himself with “Toxic Tim” Griffin.
no no no. the issue isn’t asbestos in your kid’s lung.
the issue is federalism; you know, that really nifty deep-thinker continental congress stuff!
Okay, but who are the Dems gonna run who can win? Hillary….universal health care…..I love it. But she already got shot down on it. And if she agrees with her husband’s policies on trade, I don’t think I want to see her sitting in the chair. Obama? Well, why doesn’t he start to make a little more noise. Say, something to the effect of “the day I take the oath of office, withdrawal from Iraq will begin starting with the men and women who have been there the longest, not on a unit by unit basis, we will take what Iran has been trying to offer, and we’ll actually investigate who blew up the world trade center, no matter where it might lead, even if it leads back to Saudia Arabia or the US. On the day I take office, the fourth Amendment to the Constitution will be restored, and anyone who is found to be violating it will (if it is an agency) face a drastic funding cut (If I have any arm twisting influence in the Congress), and if they are an individual will be looking across the table at someone like Mr. Fitzgerald.”
No one dares to say that.
Who have the Dems got?
Please.
someone tell me
Oh, yeah, and “on the day I take office, we will return to an adversarial relationship with the press. And that includes the bloggers. No one gets access to the President in exchange for a favorable story, so take your best shot!”