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		<title>By: dead last</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/01/its-the-math-stupid/#comment-732239</link>
		<dc:creator>dead last</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Jun 2007 01:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;b&gt;NO NEW TAXES!!!&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Brisingamen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/01/its-the-math-stupid/#comment-731937</link>
		<dc:creator>Brisingamen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-731795&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bob Schacht @ 129&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-731689&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kdh22 @ 45&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Either sounds accurate to me. You pick…hehehe.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Flip-flopper?&lt;br /&gt;
Surely this can be parodied as much as the Repugs parodied John Kerry’s “I voted against it after I voted for it”(?) regarding the war authorization.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;BTW, did you mean “nick-name”? But “niche-name” kinda works, too, in a different way…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I meant “niche” — a punning play on nick, as it can be read at least two ways…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-731795"><em>Bob Schacht @ 129</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-731689"><em>kdh22 @ 45</em></a></p>
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Either sounds accurate to me. You pick…hehehe.</p>
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<p>Flip-flopper?<br />
Surely this can be parodied as much as the Repugs parodied John Kerry’s “I voted against it after I voted for it”(?) regarding the war authorization.</p>
<p>BTW, did you mean “nick-name”? But “niche-name” kinda works, too, in a different way…</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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<p>I meant “niche” — a punning play on nick, as it can be read at least two ways…</p>
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		<title>By: spinn</title>
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		<dc:creator>spinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-731835&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kirk murphy @ 135&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Hi spinn -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you refresh, my 126 on the Noonbot may help - at least you’re not alone!&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Oh, huh, yeah, we must’ve been writing about that at the same time. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yeah. That all really irritates me.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-731835"><em>kirk murphy @ 135</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Hi spinn -</p>
<p>If you refresh, my 126 on the Noonbot may help &#8211; at least you’re not alone!</p>
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<p>Oh, huh, yeah, we must’ve been writing about that at the same time. </p>
<p>Yeah. That all really irritates me.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan River</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milan River</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;PJ–I know the area where your friend lived. It is more rural than the many non-conforming urban areas in the state.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PJ–I know the area where your friend lived. It is more rural than the many non-conforming urban areas in the state.</p>
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		<title>By: Milan River</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/01/its-the-math-stupid/#comment-731884</link>
		<dc:creator>Milan River</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 21:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi PJ Evans&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;What did your friend do the 2 years he was in east central Ohio? Just wondering bc I live here, and my peers live nice lives, have degrees, don’t really care if their neighbors’ laundry is whiter, and know not to back up on a highway.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi PJ Evans</p>
<p>What did your friend do the 2 years he was in east central Ohio? Just wondering bc I live here, and my peers live nice lives, have degrees, don’t really care if their neighbors’ laundry is whiter, and know not to back up on a highway.</p>
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		<title>By: P J Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>P J Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;kirk @ 134&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;One of my friends describes Ohio as the armpit of the universe, a state where people who miss their exit on the interstate will &lt;em&gt;back up&lt;/em&gt; to get to it, and housewives worry about whose laundry is whiter. (He spent two years in east-central Ohio.)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know if that’s better or worse than central PA.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kirk @ 134</p>
<p>One of my friends describes Ohio as the armpit of the universe, a state where people who miss their exit on the interstate will <em>back up</em> to get to it, and housewives worry about whose laundry is whiter. (He spent two years in east-central Ohio.)</p>
<p>I don’t know if that’s better or worse than central PA.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:36:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi spinn -&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If you refresh, my 126 on the Noonbot may help - at least you’re not alone!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi spinn -</p>
<p>If you refresh, my 126 on the Noonbot may help &#8211; at least you’re not alone!</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/01/its-the-math-stupid/#comment-731830</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-731728&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brisingamen @ 80&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-731710&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;P J Evans @ 62&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Solai @ 49&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You left out the really interesting part: the punitive fine that’s being called ‘reparations’. Apparently the people who are pushing it think that the undocumented never pay any taxes or fees, and should do that, in spades, before they can come in legally. At the same time as they’re pushing this, they’re complaining that the undocumented are committing identity theft by using SSNs that haven’t been issued to them legally.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Um, seems to be a contradiction there, guys. SSDI is a big chunk out of a paycheck, alogn with income tax, and if you have a number on the W4, it’s coming out automagically. But maybe none of y’all that are pushing this has ever filled out a W4.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;PJ Evans, the complaints I’ve heard (from health care professionals) aren’t “they aren’t paying taxes.” It’s “They are filling up our emergency rooms, hospitals, and welfare offices and are using funds and resources that should be going to our own citizens.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;FWIW&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Twenty-two years as a physician.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Eighteen in LA&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Taught with LA County ER doc.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Trained in LA County Psych ER.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Years at UCLA&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Ex-spouse at Cedars.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And the staff everywhere was a big melting-pot - from all over the world.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The health professionals I worked and trained with weren’t expressing the ugly racist nativist sentiments you relate.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Believe me.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt; I would have remembered - and so would they.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don’t know where in the nation you are.  If your statements are accurate, I’m so glad I’m not residing there.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Reminds me of the very racist boys from rural PA who were at my med school in Philly.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Was it James Carville who described Pennsylvania as Pittsburg at on end and Philadelphia at the other with Alabama in the middle?)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Blergh.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-731728"><em>Brisingamen @ 80</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-731710"><em>P J Evans @ 62</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Solai @ 49</p>
<p>You left out the really interesting part: the punitive fine that’s being called ‘reparations’. Apparently the people who are pushing it think that the undocumented never pay any taxes or fees, and should do that, in spades, before they can come in legally. At the same time as they’re pushing this, they’re complaining that the undocumented are committing identity theft by using SSNs that haven’t been issued to them legally.</p>
<p>(Um, seems to be a contradiction there, guys. SSDI is a big chunk out of a paycheck, alogn with income tax, and if you have a number on the W4, it’s coming out automagically. But maybe none of y’all that are pushing this has ever filled out a W4.)</p>
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<p>PJ Evans, the complaints I’ve heard (from health care professionals) aren’t “they aren’t paying taxes.” It’s “They are filling up our emergency rooms, hospitals, and welfare offices and are using funds and resources that should be going to our own citizens.”</p>
<p>FWIW</p>
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<p>Twenty-two years as a physician.</p>
<p>Eighteen in LA</p>
<p>Taught with LA County ER doc.</p>
<p>Trained in LA County Psych ER.</p>
<p>Years at UCLA</p>
<p>Ex-spouse at Cedars.</p>
<p>And the staff everywhere was a big melting-pot &#8211; from all over the world.</p>
<p>The health professionals I worked and trained with weren’t expressing the ugly racist nativist sentiments you relate.</p>
<p>Believe me.</p>
<p> I would have remembered &#8211; and so would they.</p>
<p>I don’t know where in the nation you are.  If your statements are accurate, I’m so glad I’m not residing there.</p>
<p>Reminds me of the very racist boys from rural PA who were at my med school in Philly.</p>
<p>(Was it James Carville who described Pennsylvania as Pittsburg at on end and Philadelphia at the other with Alabama in the middle?)</p>
<p>Blergh.</p>
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		<title>By: spinn</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/06/01/its-the-math-stupid/#comment-731821</link>
		<dc:creator>spinn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Please, for my sanity, someone go read this.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.spinnwebe.com/wp/2007/06/01/oh-now-its-a-problem/&quot;&gt;http://www.spinnwebe.com/wp/20.....a-problem/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m just really cheesed off that Noonan’s all shocked and surprised that Bush &amp; co. are using the same tactics on their conservative opposition that they’ve been using on liberals for years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please, for my sanity, someone go read this.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spinnwebe.com/wp/2007/06/01/oh-now-its-a-problem/">http://www.spinnwebe.com/wp/20&#8230;..a-problem/</a></p>
<p>I’m just really cheesed off that Noonan’s all shocked and surprised that Bush &amp; co. are using the same tactics on their conservative opposition that they’ve been using on liberals for years.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Schacht</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Schacht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 20:28:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-731741&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;LibertyLee @ 92&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-731733&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;mui @ 83&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
*shudder* that must have been ugly.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;It really was.  I usually listen and I had to switch to Glenn Beck because of her vitrio.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Liberty,&lt;br /&gt;
I’m glad we have you to talk to. I tried listening to Glenn Beck once and could only stand it for about 30 seconds before my stomach started tying up in knots. Maybe its because every 10 seconds another ERROR! sign pops up in my mind, so that by the time a minute has elapsed, there are so many ERROR! signs bobbing and weaving all over the place that it no longer makes any sense to try to follow his so-called “reasoning.” I think its people like Glenn Beck that Al Gore had in mind when he wrote his latest book.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-731733"><em>mui @ 83</em></a></p>
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*shudder* that must have been ugly.</p>
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<p>It really was.  I usually listen and I had to switch to Glenn Beck because of her vitrio.</p>
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<p>Liberty,<br />
I’m glad we have you to talk to. I tried listening to Glenn Beck once and could only stand it for about 30 seconds before my stomach started tying up in knots. Maybe its because every 10 seconds another ERROR! sign pops up in my mind, so that by the time a minute has elapsed, there are so many ERROR! signs bobbing and weaving all over the place that it no longer makes any sense to try to follow his so-called “reasoning.” I think its people like Glenn Beck that Al Gore had in mind when he wrote his latest book.</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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