After the contents of Jose Padilla’s seven taped conversations leaked to the New York Times, and before the actual trial began, Federal District Court Marcia Cooke’s imposed a gag order on both the prosecution and defense in the conspiracy case against Jose Padilla and two others: thou shalt not refer to in any manner, shape or form to Jose Padilla’s three-and-a-half years in a Naval brig in solitary confinement, where he was tortured and subjected to endless interrogations.
FBI Special Agent Russell R. Fincher of the FBI’s New York office who happened to meet the plane Jose Padilla at O’Hare International Airport May 8, 2002 was on the stand five years later, testifying that he was dead certain that when he heard an audio tape voice on the phone – he could positively identify it as belonging to Jose Padilla. As The Los Angeles Time’s Carol J. Williams reports it:
[FBI agent] Fincher made the statement even though he had no recording of the 5 year old interview to compare with the wiretap calls.
The agent wasn't allowed to say why he was so sure: He also interrogated Padilla during the defendant's 3 1/2 years in detention as an enemy combatant at the Navy brig in Charleston, S.C….
Fincher's assurances to the jury that he could identify Padilla's voice in the Arabic language recordings probably would have been more convincing if he could have mentioned the frequency and duration of conversations with Padilla recorded after his arrest. (Emphasis added.)
Because of Judge Cooke’s gag order, what the jury never heard was how Agent Fincher had listened on many occasions to Padilla during the three-and-a-half years of interrogations conducted at the Navy brig in Charleston, S.C. where Padilla was confined, questioned and tortured. Fincher also couldn’t make reference to the 27 existing videotapes of Padilla’s interrogations because those tapes have been consigned to silence – gagged, so to speak, presumably with the idea that jury members would be unable to listen/and watch them and judge for themselves. Wouldn’t it have been easy for the jurors to come to their own conclusions by first, listening to the tape of Padilla talking with his “co-conspirators” and then the tapes of the “confessions” he made during his stay in the brig?
Judge Cooke’s gag order has created a herd of “silent elephants in the courtroom .” These areas of silence also explain our bewilderment earlier over the way one witness for the prosecution, Yabba Goba, has apparently changed from a freedom fighter seeking to help his oppressed Muslim brothers in Kosovo to a “confessed terrorist.”
Yabba Goba,, now seeking leniency, was one of the Lackawanna Six – all of whom admitted they were guilty of providing material support or resources to a designated terrorist organization. The” resource” Goba provided consisted of himself, trained, as he contended, at a camp similar to the one Padilla was alleged to have attended. Goba and his compatriots could have fought the government’s accusations, but if they did, their lawyers were informed, they’d wind up exactly like Padilla, as an enemy combatant.
The political climate for Goba — and the Lackawanna Six — had been poisoned, just as it has been for Padilla. “One by one we’re hunting the killers down, setting the scene for a conviction,” President Bush said of Goba and the five others taken into custody. Deputy Attorney General Larry D. Thompson blanketed the nation with his fearmongering. “Terrorism and support of terrorists is not confined to large cities. It lurks in small towns and rural areas.” Remarks like that are, well, remarkably effective.
"The defendants believed that if they didn't plead guilty, they'd end up in a black hole forever," said Neal R. Sonnett, chairman of the American Bar Association's Task Force on Treatment of Enemy Combatants. "There's little difference between beating someone over the head and making a threat like that.” quoted byMichael Powell of the Washington Post
Two of the Lackawana six were veterans of the war in Bosnia. As such they offer a new perspective on the way yesterday’s allies can become today’s enemies. Robyn Blumner of the St, Petersburg Times noted in the indictment, that Padilla was alleged to have been part of a “North American support cell for a group of radical Islamic jihadists that ostensibly underwrote and provided recruits for terrorist activities in Kosovo, Chechnya and Somalia.”
The indictment accuses the defendants [Padilla, Hassoun and Jayyousi] of supporting Muslim terrorism in Kosovo in the late 1990s. At that time, Muslim fighters under the umbrella of the Kosovo Liberation Army were using violence to fight Serbian nationalists. It had been named a terrorist group by the United States, yet by 1999 the United States was working alongside the KLA, if not providing direct support to the group. That year, President Clinton initiated a NATO air war to end the ethnic cleansing of the Muslim population in Kosovo. After the hostilities ended, many in the KLA became part of the new government.
“Legends in the Law” attorney Philip Lacovara — whose jobs have included “deputy solicitor general, counsel to Watergate special prosecutors Archibald Cox and Leon Jaworski” plus more than a dozen cases in the U.S. Supreme Court, including the biggie, United States v. Nixon in 1974 –is in a unique position to comment on the way labels can change.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. This is one reason why the UN is still having trouble coming up with a final draft of a Convention Against Terrorism. Many ‘emerging nations’ recall the ‘wars of national liberation’ that they fought to expel colonial powers. Their tactics often involved what could be called terrorism — organized violence directed at civilians or civilian infrastructure in order to achieve political change”
Lacavora has observed the way shifting alliances in Bosnia and Afghanistan re-defined freedom fighters as terrorists.
“In addition to the situation in Kosovo — by the way, I was a trial observer in 1984 at the Belgrade trial of of some intellectuals who were agitating for more autonomy for Kosovo — one should remember Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation. The US actively – albeit covertly – supported the Taliban in their military operations (and provided caches of weapons later used against us). Strategic considerations changed, and the Taliban freedom fighters became ‘terrorists.’ Of course, they were the same brutal and fanatic warriors then as they are now, but when they turned their wrath on the West — and the US in particular — their classification changed.
“The Padilla prosecution illustrates a truism of modern international politics. When a private citizen elects to support the military or quasi-military (‘militant’) activities of a foreign group, the person acts at his peril, even if he thinks that the group's interests coincide with those of the US government. In addition, the mere fact that the government chooses to work with or through that foreign group for the government's own strategic purposes does not license private citizens to involve themselves in those militant activities.”
The fact is that American no longer hear about beleaguered Muslims in places like Kosovo, even though they continue to be oppressed and murdered there. So anyone training to help those oppressed peoples no longer can wear the proud badge of freedom fighter. Such individuals, at least in the minds of the present Justice Department, like Goba and others, are clearly terrorists.
In the minds of American citizens (and the jury, the prosecution hopes) – that puts Goba (and by implication, Padilla) in the same category as the suicide bombers now blowing up our soldiers and innocent civilians in Iraq. That makes Goba guilty. That makes Padilla guilty. It becomes a trial by labels.
With so much of the evidence in this case consigned to lurking in silence, labels are all we have. Or can we expect the 12 good men and women in the Miami courtroom to have the dispassionate attachment to a concept of justice that Lacavora exhibits?
By the end of the summer, when the Padilla trial concludes, we’ll have the answer to that question. Or maybe you think you have the answer already.
(With Rachel M. Koch)
Lew can be reached at lew dot koch at gmail dot com.
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Bob in HI
Interesting.
Is this the sort of trial where jurors are able to ask questions?
What is the chance that some of the jurors already know about Padilla’s experiences?
If my country, the United States, was being occupied by a foreign invader, bent on killing my people and attempting to steal my country’s resouces. I’d fight them with everything I could get my hands on.
These trials are hardly what anyone would recognise as “justice”… they are nothing more than soviet type show trials.
Why even bother to have a trial.. the fix is in on these cases.
This country is essentially a fascist corporate state with hardly any rights for the individual.
We’re fucked and like lobsters we are being boiled alive and doing nothing about it.
Man, the more of these updates I read, the more convinced I am that, unfortunately, for even the whiff of justice in this case, the jury may have to nullify.
Thanks Lew very much!
TexBetsy at 3
The jury does NOT get to ask questions. They can take notes. As to what they know about Padilla’s “experiences” — in a cab from the Miami airport to my hotel, the cab driver, Jamaican I believe from his accent, asked what I was here for. I said I was here for the trial of Jose Padilla — and left it there. Instantly he responded, “Oh, the dirty bomber!”
If a cabbie knows, how the hell could a juror not. The Padilla story was front page news — and in the news for 5 1/2 years.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 4
damn subversive!
or is that
noble patriot!
This is what I thought back on about 9/12/2001. I wondered how Bush was going to handle it. He was able to make a decent differentiation for about a week– but then all too quickly, that attempt evaporated and we were back to the old standard of our guys are freedom fighters. Your guys are terrorists.
The language completely breaks down in modern Iraq, where it is clearly a matter of subjective opinion who is a freedom fighter, who is an insurgent, and who is a terrorist.
There are parallels with Israel/Palestine, too. According to Israelis, apparently any Palestinian who defends his home and his family is a terrorist if he uses anything but his bare hands. In both Palestine and Iraq, the Occupying power can bulldoze any house at any time for any reason it chooses– and then blames the destruction on “terrorists,” when the real terrorists are the occupying forces.
But I digress, because I do have a question for Lew: Does the gag order mean that the defense cannot ask about the circumstances under which evidence was obtained, even when it is likely that those circumstances were prejudicial to the defendant?
Just as an example, suppose a tape is played where the defendant can clearly be heard to state, “I did it! I did it! I plotted to bomb the American Embassy!” but the defense is not allowed to point out that at the time, the defendant’s thumb was clamped by a pliers and pressure was being excruciatingly applied (or name your favorite torture technique from “24″)? If so, how can this be anything but a travesty of justice? And cannot this be used as grounds for appeal?
Bob in HI
Lew Koch @ 7
But was his torture on the news?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0MQxudKT4U
TexBetsy @ 8
;0)
SanderO @ 5
That’s very much the way it was with the Lakawana (sic) group. They weren’t going to get justice. They weren’t going to get anything. They were guilty of youthful stupidity but none of them was a terrorist. Now they sit in jail, railroaded. Again, an astonishing result.
Bob at 9 –
The gag order basically forbids the attorneys for either side from making reference to, or alluding to anything having to do with the 3 1/2 years he spent the Naval Brig in solitary confinement. To bring it, or any of the other charges against him other than the ones currently being heard — conspiracy — is to trigger a mistrial and probably a severe censure from the Judge — who I am beginning to think want the jury to have the final say. The jurors will hear nothing about dirty bombs or blowing up high rises by exploding gas stoves.
The people who should be on trial for treason etc., are Rove, Cheney, Rice, Hughes, Rumsfeld and others.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 15
Hear Hear!!!
Who the hell does Bush think he’s fooling with this Padilla farce?
Oklahoma kiddo at 17
We’ll see how fooled Joe and Jane Citizen are when they hold the national elections.
If Bush, Rove and Cheney didn’t have a Padilla, they’d have to invent one. Perhaps that’s what they did with Padilla. Who’s to say?
Lew Koch @ 18
Or when Abu is replaced, I hope.
OT —-
I was in medical tests listening to banging and lying still this afternoon.
Do we know why Bartlett resigned?
Mark Shields and David Brooks did another one of their standup routines on the NewsHour. Shields established is liberal credentials by agreeing that Bush had really changed on global warming (even though his initiatives to date are voluntary and to be agreed upon just days before he leaves office). Shields followed up on this by calling McCain a great guy. Moving on to immigration, Bush too received kudos from him. He then belittled conservative pundits for criticizing Bush for it. Brooks really didn’t have to say too much since Shields was doing his job for him.
Washington Week now up and Dale McMannis is trying to show how well he can regurgitate the CW. Bush gets praise for his talk on global warming and for his actions in Darfur. Wow, I’m glad we don’t have to worry about those two issues anymore.
Maybe they could change the title to Washington Weak. It would be a lot more accurate.
TexBetsy @ 21
I’ll give you a hint: think “golden oldies”.
Lew Koch @ 18
And the media does the heavy lifting again. But that’s doesn’t excuse Joan and John Q. Public for being stupid.
TexBetsy @ 21
Best wishes. Re Barlett, the water on deck was lapping at his toes.
Call your reps demand investigation into record breaking oil profits.
Now this is an issue most Americans can get behind. Forget being concerned about the hundreds of thousand of dead, injured and displaced in Iraq…we want our fucking bloody oil!
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/060107T.shtml
I wonder if Padilla has any family that will be there for the trial.
TexBetsy @ 21
Nope.
But the weekend is young….
Dump watch! :)
As long as Rove and Cheney are still in the WH, nothing will change.
Loo Hoo at 27
Padilla’s mother was there for the first day of trial, accompanied by two unidentified women. The next day she was not there.
I wanted to ask about that as well but the damn gag order has prevented Padilla’s lawyer, normally very helpful, to clam the hell up.
Hugh @ 22
That really was pathetic about Bush on global warming. The White House didn’t just ignore the problem, the actively worked against the very facts of the matter. Poor little Bushie, he’s doing the right thing now [as if!] and nobody appreciates him. waa waa waa-waa-waa
Jason Leopold interview with Iglesias
http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/053007J.shtml
Thing of it is, if I were to visit Iran, upon my return, chances are I’d be arrested. For who knows what.
Padilla’s lawyer at one point said that he was unfit to stand trial because of the torture. What is the status of that, Lew?
[FBI agent] Fincher made the statement even though he had no recording of the 5 year old interview to compare with the wiretap calls.
The agent wasn’t allowed to say why he was so sure: He also interrogated Padilla during the defendant’s 3 1/2 years in detention as an enemy combatant at the Navy brig in Charleston, S.C….
Jeez, what a farce of a trial. Since no one can talk about Padilla’s incarceration and interrogation techniques, it has devolved into a contest as to who can just plain make up the more believable shit.
Though I know they’ll never learn about this trial, it makes me feel even more sorry for those currently in Gitmo. After that kind of treatment, there’s no possibility of a fair trial. The government couldn’t win in a real court, and the inmate/defendant can’t win in a military court.
Thank you, Lew, for the trial updates. It is amazing to me that the government seems to be doing everything it can through its misfeasance and malfeasance to turn Padilla who is a pretty despicable character into a sympathetic figure.
just stopping by for a sec —
re: this snippet from Hugh’s #22:
regurgitate the CW
can someone please tell me what CW means? thanks!
kathleen @ 32
On the video Iglesias says he believes there is an e-mail that is a “smoking gun” pointing towards Rove.
LoudounLib @ 37
Current Wisdom
LoudounLib @ 37
Convential Wisdom
Want to send a message of goodwill to the world? Arrest George Bush and Dick Cheney and Karl Rove.
thanks Hugh and Elliott! thought it might have something to do with “conservative” — but then again I guess it does ;-)
oh, and Lew, thanks again for yet another interesting post!
LoudounLib @ 43
yet always disquieting
Loo Hoo at 34
Judge Marcia Cooke decided that Padilla was sane and could aid his lawyers on his behalf. That’s done and gone and no longer part of the trial. To be honest, I watched Padilla interact with this two “co-conspirators.” While the communication was modest, there was no indication as far as I could detect, that Padilla was in anyway impaired. That may just mean he’s tough as hell and they just couldn’t break him. It was worth the effort though, just to get somebody from the Naval brig on the stand. No fireworks, alas.
News on the kid who shot the monster pig. Turns out it wasn’t a wild raging hog- it was a pet- raised by a guy who bought it for his wife’s birthday…The hog is still becoming sausage.
Elliott — true, that
Lew,
Anything remarkable about Padilla’s demeanor this week?
Elliott @ 48
nevermind! :)
Will Padilla serve more time than Libby?
British boycott of Israeli Academics
http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iow…..ycott.html
LoudounLib at 43 & 44
Thanks…that is exactly the feeling I’d like to leave the reader with.
Will a future Justice Department be able to go back and look at this case with impartiality?
Kathleen at 38
Greg palast has close to 500 emails (that the RNC said got destroyed)involving the USAs, Palast had a meeting with Congressman Conyers recently.
Hollywood shooting a new film “Jailtime for Gonzo”—wanted Ronnie fer the lead.
Loo Hoo at 53
That is a wonderful question and one I’ve been considering for a week now. I have some very definite thoughts on that — and will share when I have them in order.
Here’s a link
Bradblog
Great picture. The link with Philip Lacovara’s name is fascinating. All kinds of things about the Watergate trial et seq that were new to me.
Part of the way that I read the pleadings from Padilla’s lawyers on the torture were that he has such a complete and devout fear of being returned to the So Car brig that he will not really help his lawyers out with info – in other words, that the experience has left him willing to mount an ineffective defense or no defense and go to prison as a much preferrable alternative to going back to the So Car brig.
So while he might be “sane” he’s not really rational vis a vis his ability to assist with his defense. But as Lew has indicated, that ship has left the port (along with the torture based arrest warrants – which have been upheld)
What’s up with this Bush by passes the Israeli lobby?
At JTA
Bush releases money to Abbas
President Bush bypassed Congress to release funds to Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.
In a memorandum sent Friday afternoon to U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice authorizing the release of the funds, Bush cites national security to waive a number of laws that require him to vet such assistance with Congress. He does not cite a sum, but describes the money as designated “for the administrative and personal security costs of the Office of the President of the Palestinian Authority; for the activities of the President of the Palestinian Authority to promote democracy, peaceful resolution of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the rule of law and to fulfill his duties as President, including, among other things, to maintain control of the management and security of border crossings and to foster the Middle East peace process.”
The money is in addition to $59 million Congress already authorized earlier this year to bolster forces loyal to Abbas, a relative moderate who is struggling for power with the government led by Hamas, a terrorist group. Bush adds the caveat that the money is not to reach Hamas by any means.
In the same memorandum, Bush also authorizes assistance for non-governmental organizations assisting the Palestinians, again citing national security to waive laws requiring him to vet such funds with Congress.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 33
Because…
For being…
They can…
If a foreign country wants to attack this country, do we really think they’ll use some hapless clown like Padilla. If the Russians had wanted to kill Kennedy, would they have used Oswald. I mean really!
Ironyesc8psem @ 54
I believe Conyers and Palast have been working together for awhile. Ohio 2004
Oklahoma kiddo @ 61
They have to maintain the charade, no other choice
Will Padilla serve more time than Libby?
Padilla has already served more time than was handed out for the sleeping bag beating/suffocation killing; the Dilawar beating death; and I’m sure when you tack on Libby’s time you will still be well under the time Padilla has served.
Our leaders have been workin hard to protect us by capturing terrorists. Padilla was as close as they can get. There are reportedly millions of Al Queda operatives in the world and our govt gets one nut case with a shoe bomb and a nut case who was gonna blow up apartment buildings with cooking stoves.
It ain’t just about corruption- these guys stink at catchin people- that’s what this shit is REALLY about.
kathleen @ 59
It’s really self-explanatory. Bush is releasing money to Fatah so it will be stronger vis a vis Hamas. You can see this as another step in stoking the Palestinians low grade civil war.
When does Padilla get a chance to sue ol Clusterfuck?
Mary at 58
Once again nails it. We don’t know to what extent Padilla has been fractured. But now that you’ve raised the issue, let me say that I damn well want to see those 87 taped interrogations of Padilla, now in the hands of the defense, but sequestered, hidden away lest the jury be “tainted.” But the instant the jury retires, I want to see those tapes. Every one. Including the “missing” tape of his last interrogation. The public deserves to see its government in action.
Hugh @ 22
DING!
OT: The Torrance, CA, funeral of kidnapped and killed young soldier Joseph Anzack is happening right now. (Live video)
On June 19th. I believe it is, the Israeli PM is coming to Washington to confer with Bush. Confer? About what?
Lew Koch @ 68
Would you really be able to see them?
Try this one a little more info
Daily Kos
rwcole at 67
Sue? Not a chance until this “Justice” Department changes. And even then, a long, long shot. The digging into the all the shit contained in the Padilla case — well, it would make the Church Committee Report seem like a walk in the park.
The GWOT is such a fake marketing rachet it’s amazing. 6 years on this nation has caught and tried or sent to prison a bunch of losers… This is what our billions and billions of dollars are going for… to make us safe from these slackers?
How about catching some of those white collar terroists… the ones who terorize working people?
Nitpicking wrt to the Taliban: they were not in Afghanistan during the Soviet Occupation. They showed up during the infighting amongst the mujahadeen factions after the Soviets bailed.
rwcole at 67/Add One
Consider the names totally caught up with Padilla? Well, Bush, Ashcroft, Rumsfeld for the opening three. Oh, the secrets there! Be still, my heart…
SanderO @ 75
sign me up for that
This is such a sickening situation. One day — the truth, the whole truth will out. And when that day happens, we will look at ourselves as a people and say, how could this happen in our great country? Like the “good” Germans did after WWII.
The sad truth is that we don’t have to know every single detail to know it is very bad. And that we as a culture, sat back, went shopping, and did not one damn thing.
It still shocks me how many peoples eyes glaze over when I try to talk about this kind of thing beyond a few sentences. People are happy in their willful ignorance, because it frees themselves between making a choice to try to do something or living with themselves.
Lew….I want to call this surreal – but that would be dissociation.
“Enemy” status.
Terror enhancements.
“eco-terrorist“.
Navy Brig. Diego Garcia. Bagram Air Base.
SHAC7.
Homeland Security.
Green Scare.
How do I leave Oceania?
Dru at 76
Yes, nitpick, please
Mullah Mohammad Umar, a cleric who fought as a Mujahedeen, created his Islamic Afghanistan rule as Taliban.
Ironyesc8psem @ 73
Try this one a little more info
Daily Kos
I’d feel a little better if he’d taken it to Leahy or Waxman. The performance of Conyers’ committee has been underwhelming of late.
Next time call Bernie Kerik. You shmuck.
HARTFORD, Conn. — A legislative leader was arrested Friday on charges that he tried to have a businessman at the center of a federal racketeering probe arrange to rough up someone the senator believed was abusing a relative.
State and federal authorities said Senate Minority Leader Louis DeLuca in 2005 sought help from James Galante, a Danbury trash hauler currently awaiting trial on 72 counts of tax fraud, racketeering, threatening and extortion.
DeLuca, a Republican from Woodbury, was booked on a misdemeanor charge Friday of second-degree conspiracy to commit threatening. He was scheduled to be arraigned Monday in Waterbury Superior Court.
Dru — you are quite right about the Taliban. And they arrived rather late on the scene, and didn’t consolidate power until the late 90s (98, I believe). There was a lot of outcry on the part of human rights activists about that situation as well…warning of what would happen if the Taliban were able to take over completely. And once again, the world sat back and did not pay attention. It is worth noting that they were largely funded by 2 US allies, Pakistan, and most esp Saudi Arabia. Seems that if the US and other western allies really wanted to, they could’ve called in some diplomatic favors and gotten the Saudis to stay out of the situation.
Anybody who thinks this is not a religous and ethnic crusade, take a look at Cat Stevens.
jayt @ 82
I’d feel a little better if he’d taken it to Leahy or Waxman. The performance of Conyers’ committee has been underwhelming of late.
I haven’t seen anything totally explosive from any of the committees
Woodhall Hollow at 87
Exactly.
Did you hear the one about the donkey who screwed the elephant?
Ironyesc8psem @ 86
I haven’t seen anything totally explosive from any of the committees
Actually, there has been quite a lot of controversy over at DK wrt the Palast claims.
Link
My personal inclination is to take what Palast says about these emails with a grain of salt until we learn something from Conyers directly.
Lew Koch @ 14
Lew,
I meant to refer to the evidence used in the charges filed against him for *this* trial. If the prosecution says “we’ve got evidence that Padilla said/did X”, is the defense able to impugn the integrity of the evidence by asking how and under what conditions it was obtained? Or is it forbidden to do that?
Thanks,
Bob in HI
Bob Schacht at 90
The “evidence” is in taped conversations of Padilla, seven of them, talking about zucchini or other stuff the government claims is “code.” But code for what? That’s the case. Period. Unlock the code. Get a decoder ring! There isn’t anything else the prosecution referred to in its opening presentation to the jury.
“the Bigot and the Boycott”
http://www.counterpunch.org/jensen06012007.html
maybe the only good thing that will come from the Padilla trial is that there has now been at least one federal judge who has essentially said – “look, I know how you bastards got your ‘evidence’, and I’m not letting it in…”
kathleen at 90 (and others)
I’m unclear about what boycotting Israeli academics has to do with Jose Padilla.
National Review editors (along with many other neogotiators) still have their sites on Iran
http://article.nationalreview……U4MGFiYzg=
Creative Destruction Ledeen still wants Iran.
http://article.nationalreview……Q0MDFiYjc=
Byron York continues to refuse to admit how serious outing Plame was. Denial is powerful poison!
Still batting for Libby
http://article.nationalreview……g2YWYzNTU=
Lew, I hope this is not wholly OT wrt Padilla – if so, please tell me.
In the eco-vandalism cases the prosecution requested – and the Judge Aiken granted – “terrorism enhancements” after the jury’s verdict.
The TE’s exist in a universe free of the jury (of the defendants’ peers – or anyone) and orbiting around the Judge.
The US Attorney decides whether to call for terror “enhancements”.
Be grateful they can’t call for capital “enhancement”.
Thus far.
So they’re discretionary and post-verdict. And what are the TE’s for?
Savoie is the last sentenced of the eco-vandals who cooperated with prosecutors.
Four “non-cooperating” defendants reached plea agreements in which they accepted personal responsibility yet did not provide or agree ot provide info re others.
They have accepted their responsibility and admitted their guilt.
And Judge Aiken has it in for them:
Mourning in America
hatn’t been followin’ close, lew, but it sher sounds like a ’show trial’ to me…
bu’waddoIno?
Now even El Baradei calling the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots who have been pushing for pre-emptive military action in Iran “crazies” Yes!
http://rawstory.com/showoutart…..338347.htm
“Crime in Italy”(Niger Documents) these zealots with yellowcake all over their faces have been all over the MSM the last four years repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran’s “alleged” nuclear weapons program. Most of these claims have gone unchallenged
El Baradei has been asking for years for the “inflammatory rhetoric on both sides to be turned down.
Lew Koch @ 94
I think the topic is “elephants in the room”
Here is another Elephant in the room “The U.S. Liberty”
http://antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11042
rwcole @ 65
I think Bush can’t allow a proper fair trial because it would be a trial on Guantanamo Bay prison and on the Bush administration itself — and Dubya knows he would be found guilty while Padilla would go free.
No, I don’t think they’re bad at catching real terrorists. I think it’s quite possible Al Qaeda is only an arm of the Saudi government and is not our enemy. So, we have a serious desire to NOT capture bin Laden. That certainly explains a lot more than other theories, doesn’t it?
Of course, Al Qaeda could easily have had leaders friendly to us, but still populated by serious jihadists who were led to do terrorist things. Whether Atta & Co were really Al Qaeda or just free-lancers and whether they were seriously trying to ram the WTC or had another plan isn’t at all clear.
The only answer to these important questions is to study the 9/11 attack more and more until we really nail it down and know for a fact whether it was Al Qaeda who knocked down the towers and killed nearly 3000 people. And, on top of that we need to know whether that attack was directed to occur by only Al Qaeda or if their orders came from somewhere else (with relations to PNAC or elsewhere).
We can’t go on doing things and expect good results without knowing the basic facts upon which to base our activities. It’s insanity to keep killing without having thought this through. Fear and animal hatred will only last a while and when it’s spent then we may find ourselves to be nothing more than war criminals. We have to stop and reassess.
None of the Republican presidential candidates wants to stop if they can use the war to get elected. That’s plain scary.
Hillary and Barack say withdraw, but Hillary (at least) says withdrawal includes keeping about 20,000 troops there forever. That’s just lying to the public and I find it unacceptable. I don’t know Obama’s position on the permanent bases in Iraq.
Bush says he’s setting us up to never be able to leave Iraq until our destiny is achieved. Of course, he doesn’t say what that destiny is and he isn’t asking if we want to go along for that ride.
I wonder if Hillary and Obama are planning on that long occupation to avoid being called quitters or losers or traitors during a campaign. That would make them every bit as disgusting as the Republican candidates — using hawkish language on Iraq to get elected. How many kids have to die for them to be satisfied?
First we need to leave Iraq COMPLETELY.
Second, we need to take a rest and study 9/11 more thoroughly.
Third, we need to reset our foreign policy.
And, all the presidential candidates need to state their vision for the future of America, so we don’t all have to go on some unspecified ride to our ‘destiny’ without our consent.
Lew Koch @ 81
Ok, one more then; the Taliban didn’t actually turn on or attack the west; they refused to hand over their “guests” who did. Up ’til then they were happily counting their money (43 million from the US?), eradicating poppies and looking forward to doing business on a pipeline deal;they were probably amazed to find that their Pashtun code of hospitality landed them in the forefront of the “GWOT”.
BTW, thanks for this post; I haven’t kept up with the horrible details of the Padilla situation, this helps.
“The fact is that American no longer hear about beleaguered Muslims in places like Kosovo, even though they continue to be oppressed and murdered there. So anyone training to help those oppressed peoples no longer can wear the proud badge of freedom fighter.”
Could you supply evidence for this statement, please? Kosovo is currently under UN administration and occupied by Nato troops. The interim governmental structures, as far as I can tell from poking around a bit on the internet, are dominated by ethnic Albanians who are Muslim.
So evidence, please.
larry birnbaum at 102
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor…..332586.stm
Kathleen at 99
You’re discussing something that happened 40 years ago, an event that there is serious disagreement over and that people interpret differently. Padilla is 2002 and this trial is now.
Lew, please. This is the dateline of the article you pointed to:
Tuesday, May 4, 1999 Published at 13:26 GMT 14:26 UK
It’s clear the government has done a number of things wrong both in their treatment of Padilla and of the law. If that’s your point, you can make it without these kinds of distortions and exaggerations. If your point is that Padilla did nothing wrong, and that his (or anyone else’s) training at a jihadist camp in Afghanistan under the Taliban regime is of no account, well, that’s as ridiculous as the government’s position in this case.