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		<title>By: Stagger Lee</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/31/no-fence-high-enough/#comment-730207</link>
		<dc:creator>Stagger Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 00:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wish I could afford a Harley, unfortunately I have to pay for my and my families health insurance.&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe I can go to Mexico and sneak back in and a couple of years I too can have a Harley.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I could afford a Harley, unfortunately I have to pay for my and my families health insurance.<br />
Maybe I can go to Mexico and sneak back in and a couple of years I too can have a Harley.</p>
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		<title>By: Elana from DMI</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/31/no-fence-high-enough/#comment-729915</link>
		<dc:creator>Elana from DMI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 21:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-729574&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kirk murphy @ 47&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-729499&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Elana from DMI @ 15&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Its an important question. I know that the think tank I work for put together a two part litmus test to see whether proposed immigration legislation would help the American middle class and all the people working their way into the middle class. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.drummajorinstitute.org/library/35.html&quot;&gt;http://www.drummajorinstitute.org/library/35.html&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;There is a way to build an immigration policy that works for all of us. &lt;em&gt;Certainly addressing the trade crisis that contributes to the current situation is key (gooooo Tula!)&lt;/em&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Elena, thanks for closing the circle.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Trade crisis” - &lt;b&gt;love&lt;/b&gt; that phrase.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Congrats to the wordsmith.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And Tula, good on ‘ya for fighting the Trade fight.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The only thing we have to fear from the Trade crisis is losing our jobs, industries, national wealth - and our health.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for fighting back.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I blush. Yer too kind (and feel free to use that phrase freely)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-729574"><em>kirk murphy @ 47</em></a></p>
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<p><a href="#comment-729499"><em>Elana from DMI @ 15</em></a></p>
<p>Its an important question. I know that the think tank I work for put together a two part litmus test to see whether proposed immigration legislation would help the American middle class and all the people working their way into the middle class. <a href="http://www.drummajorinstitute.org/library/35.html">http://www.drummajorinstitute.org/library/35.html</a>.</p>
<p>There is a way to build an immigration policy that works for all of us. <em>Certainly addressing the trade crisis that contributes to the current situation is key (gooooo Tula!)</em>.</p>
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<p>Elena, thanks for closing the circle.</p>
<p>“Trade crisis” &#8211; <b>love</b> that phrase.</p>
<p>Congrats to the wordsmith.</p>
<p>And Tula, good on ‘ya for fighting the Trade fight.</p>
<p>The only thing we have to fear from the Trade crisis is losing our jobs, industries, national wealth &#8211; and our health.</p>
<p>Thanks for fighting back.</p>
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<p>I blush. Yer too kind (and feel free to use that phrase freely)</p>
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		<title>By: Bearpaw</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/31/no-fence-high-enough/#comment-729626</link>
		<dc:creator>Bearpaw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 19:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-729593&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kirk murphy @ 53&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Any self-described expert doing more than idly speculating on the role of genetic factors in social interactions is either selling a book or writing a grant proposal.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Love it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are you in academia - that insight is just perfect?&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks.  I’ve never technically worked in academia, just sorta skirted around the edges a lot.  I’ve got a science background and I’ve worked with enough medical genetics researchers to know how badly the topic of genetics is handled in the popular press.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most sociobiology “theories” would be funny, if people didn’t take them so seriously.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-729593"><em>kirk murphy @ 53</em></a></p>
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<blockquote><p>Any self-described expert doing more than idly speculating on the role of genetic factors in social interactions is either selling a book or writing a grant proposal.</p>
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<p>Love it.</p>
<p>Are you in academia &#8211; that insight is just perfect?</p>
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<p>Thanks.  I’ve never technically worked in academia, just sorta skirted around the edges a lot.  I’ve got a science background and I’ve worked with enough medical genetics researchers to know how badly the topic of genetics is handled in the popular press.</p>
<p>Most sociobiology “theories” would be funny, if people didn’t take them so seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: spurious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/31/no-fence-high-enough/#comment-729617</link>
		<dc:creator>spurious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-729615&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;kirk murphy @ 59&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The use of religion as an epithet at 12:14 is extremely offensive.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Troll alert.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-729615"><em>kirk murphy @ 59</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The use of religion as an epithet at 12:14 is extremely offensive.</p>
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<p>Troll alert.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/31/no-fence-high-enough/#comment-729615</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 19:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The use of religion as an epithet at 12:14 is extremely offensive.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;[Mod: &lt;em&gt;got it, thanks&lt;/em&gt;]&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The use of religion as an epithet at 12:14 is extremely offensive.</p>
<p>[Mod: <em>got it, thanks</em>]</p>
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		<title>By: spurious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/31/no-fence-high-enough/#comment-729607</link>
		<dc:creator>spurious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 19:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-729575&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bearpaw @ 48&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Any self-described expert doing more than idly speculating on the role of genetic factors in social interactions is either selling a book or writing a grant proposal.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;:~)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-729575"><em>Bearpaw @ 48</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Any self-described expert doing more than idly speculating on the role of genetic factors in social interactions is either selling a book or writing a grant proposal.</p>
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<p>:~)</p>
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		<title>By: Other Pat</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/31/no-fence-high-enough/#comment-729602</link>
		<dc:creator>Other Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 19:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-729569&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brisingamen @ 42&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-729549&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;spurious @ 32&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;What right way?  For a hungry poor person in Mexico with no relatives who are US citizens, there is effectively no legal way.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know Somalis here in Columbus, Ohio that didn’t have a dime when they arrived, but they filed the proper paperwork and got their green cards. &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;If it were up to me, I’d have the US companies and agri-business apply to the State Department for a permit to hire guest-workers, and then &lt;b&gt;the company&lt;/b&gt; would go down to Central and South America, hire folks there, and bring them back. Wouldn’t cost the workers a dime.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So many of those seeking workers are not from large companies. I’d guess they’d require anyone joining them on a trip to the U.S. to pay for the pleasure, rather than the company absorbing the cost. The lure to begin with is cheap labor with no strings attached.&lt;br /&gt;
I know this wouldn’t be a short-term help, but it does seem we need to help the home countries so that their residents aren’t quite so desperate for survival.&lt;br /&gt;
This, clearly, is a heart-wrenching, no-easy-answer situation that calls for that rare combination of compassion and smarts: wisdom.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-729549"><em>spurious @ 32</em></a></p>
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<p>What right way?  For a hungry poor person in Mexico with no relatives who are US citizens, there is effectively no legal way.</p>
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<p>I know Somalis here in Columbus, Ohio that didn’t have a dime when they arrived, but they filed the proper paperwork and got their green cards. </p>
<p>If it were up to me, I’d have the US companies and agri-business apply to the State Department for a permit to hire guest-workers, and then <b>the company</b> would go down to Central and South America, hire folks there, and bring them back. Wouldn’t cost the workers a dime.</p>
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<p>So many of those seeking workers are not from large companies. I’d guess they’d require anyone joining them on a trip to the U.S. to pay for the pleasure, rather than the company absorbing the cost. The lure to begin with is cheap labor with no strings attached.<br />
I know this wouldn’t be a short-term help, but it does seem we need to help the home countries so that their residents aren’t quite so desperate for survival.<br />
This, clearly, is a heart-wrenching, no-easy-answer situation that calls for that rare combination of compassion and smarts: wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: RockPaperScizzors</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/31/no-fence-high-enough/#comment-729601</link>
		<dc:creator>RockPaperScizzors</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 19:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;US government status quo, “treat the symptom; illegal immigration, not the problem; foreign governmental corporate policies.”  The question is how much aid do we the taxpayers provide to the countries whose citizens are illegally crossing our borders? What standards, fines, and obligations are incurred by these countries governments? It seems that Mexico, Central America, Latin America are not sanctioned due to the american (global) corporate duplicity of cheap labor, dirt wages, zero environmental/health regulations and under the table payola to the wink and nod governments complicity. The corporations ultimate goal of destroying american worker wages, benefits, and unions by supporting illegal immigrants and guest worker programs in the US. This will be the downfall of the middle class.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>US government status quo, “treat the symptom; illegal immigration, not the problem; foreign governmental corporate policies.”  The question is how much aid do we the taxpayers provide to the countries whose citizens are illegally crossing our borders? What standards, fines, and obligations are incurred by these countries governments? It seems that Mexico, Central America, Latin America are not sanctioned due to the american (global) corporate duplicity of cheap labor, dirt wages, zero environmental/health regulations and under the table payola to the wink and nod governments complicity. The corporations ultimate goal of destroying american worker wages, benefits, and unions by supporting illegal immigrants and guest worker programs in the US. This will be the downfall of the middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: spurious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/31/no-fence-high-enough/#comment-729596</link>
		<dc:creator>spurious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 19:11:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-729569&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Brisingamen @ 42&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-729549&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;spurious @ 32&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;p&gt;What right way?  For a hungry poor person in Mexico with no relatives who are US citizens, there is effectively no legal way.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I know Somalis here in Columbus, Ohio that didn’t have a dime when they arrived, but they filed the proper paperwork and got their green cards.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The number of people permitted on immigration visas varies by country, and also by category (immediate family member, refugee, etc.).  The waiting time for a non-refugee applicant with no immediate family who are US citizens to obtain a green card might be decades long.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-729569"><em>Brisingamen @ 42</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-729549"><em>spurious @ 32</em></a></p>
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<p>What right way?  For a hungry poor person in Mexico with no relatives who are US citizens, there is effectively no legal way.</p>
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<p>I know Somalis here in Columbus, Ohio that didn’t have a dime when they arrived, but they filed the proper paperwork and got their green cards.</p>
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<p>The number of people permitted on immigration visas varies by country, and also by category (immediate family member, refugee, etc.).  The waiting time for a non-refugee applicant with no immediate family who are US citizens to obtain a green card might be decades long.</p>
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		<title>By: kirk murphy</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/31/no-fence-high-enough/#comment-729593</link>
		<dc:creator>kirk murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 19:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;RW, I sure agree - population genetics just amaze me.  Tracing the history of our species around the globe and across time from the outliine of our genes..just incredible.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bearclaw&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Any self-described expert doing more than idly speculating on the role of genetic factors in social interactions is either selling a book or writing a grant proposal.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Love it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Are you in academia - that insight is just perfect?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RW, I sure agree &#8211; population genetics just amaze me.  Tracing the history of our species around the globe and across time from the outliine of our genes..just incredible.</p>
<p>Bearclaw</p>
<blockquote><p>Any self-described expert doing more than idly speculating on the role of genetic factors in social interactions is either selling a book or writing a grant proposal.</p>
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<p>Love it.</p>
<p>Are you in academia &#8211; that insight is just perfect?</p>
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