james @ 29

I’ve got a bridge you might be interested in…..

Is it more about ‘controlling the money’ than “giving the assistance?’ Is this a ’spigot’ that can be used to financially assist emerging Countries?

Is the Neocon intent to ‘politically’ control which Countries emerge from crushing poverty, disease and ignorance by tying the money to ideological conformance?

Fer cryin out loud, the World Bank loans money to countries who can’t pay back and assumes control of that country.

The Power Elite run and rule the world.

And the Bushies and American Politicians and their family’s are all a part of it.

All this noise of ethics and morals that SHOULD be is becoming pathetic to read.

It’s a nasty, ugly dirty and evil phreakin world out there, in YOUR lives, and you want to scold the guy with the gun to yer head about being nice.

We deserve whatever we get, given this level of roll over and play dead we have assumed.

Nova Scotia.

This article by Hartman just about says it all about the Repugs plan.
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/23130

Good read.

Explains how the Pub’s are exploiting the Dem’s SOCALLED strategy to make the Pub’s OWN the war. Blowback big time it appears, the dem’s are being OWNED and PLAYED in SUCH a pathetic manner.

Shoulda gone for the jugular, day one.

Now, it’s all over. Unitary Executive will come to play a few weeks or a month or two before the elections, the dem’s WILL look like they were surrender monkey’s in ‘07, and when elections ARE held, the Pub’s will cakewalk in.

Man, Nova Scotia sure is lookin good.

Where is John Yoo working again? Berkeley? Stanford? I can’t believe it.

Berkeley – and it shames the UC and Boalt.

Deep EPU but

Welcome to that newfangled word I like to call “complicity.”

I just don’t understand the rationale for who comes under fire and who gets the free pass.

Someone like Comey was much more actively and directly involved (Padilla, Higazy, Arar) in complicity to allow or coverup torture and has yet to call a spade a spade on what has been done; Goldmith even has his name on the draft memo to ditch Article 49 protections and worked hand in glove with Haynes – etc.

But they get halos and Zelikow gets rocks thrown?

For my part – yeah, I do blame the lawyers. I blame others too, but legal cover and the unbroken line of Prosecutors who said: don’t worry- we won’t prosecute you for disappearing people and abusing them under Presidential orders – those were SOLICITATIONS to bad behavior.

thank you mary!

i tried to bring this up earlier in the thread (although not so well as you), see my 95. no free pass from me (heck, i think i’m complict for paying my taxes).

kathleen – Why is the World Bank job so important to the Neocons? Ostensibly, the WB serves the world’s poor – not a traditional Neocon concern.

What gives?

Gnome de Plume @ 73

Badwater @ 67

There’s no need to win arguments when your dad fixes all problems for you. Too bad George H.W. Bush won’t step up now and fix his son’s biggest screwup.

He tried – it was the Iraq “solutions” group that he had consigliere Baker put together, but frogblaster threw a hissy fit and ran the other way.

Sandbox with lots of oil underneath!

ACLU files suit against Boeing subsidiary, saying it enabled secret overseas torture

NEW YORK – A Boeing Co. subsidiary accused by the American Civil Liberties Union of facilitating torture by providing services to the CIA for secret overseas flights said it does not, as a rule, inquire about its customers’ business.

The ACLU filed a lawsuit Wednesday claiming Jeppesen Dataplan, Inc., enabled the clandestine transportation of three terrorism suspects to secret overseas locations where they were tortured and subjected to other “forms of cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment.[…]”

I’m very confident that more than a few people at Boeing, Halliburton, and other mainstays of the military industrial complex have considered the numerous ways in which CIA “renditions” could be turned into “competitive advantage.”

Welcome to that newfangled word I like to call “complicity.”

I just don’t understand the rationale for who comes under fire and who gets the free pass.

Someone like Comey was much more actively and directly involved (Padilla, Higazy, Arar) in complicity to allow or coverup torture and has yet to call a spade a spade on what has been done; Goldmith even has his name on the draft memo to ditch Article 49 protections and worked hand in glove with Haynes – etc.

But they get halos and Zelikow gets rocks thrown?

For my part – yeah, I do blame the lawyers. I blame others too, but legal cover and the unbroken line of Prosecutors who said: don’t worry- we won’t prosecute you for disappearing people and abusing them under Presidential orders – those were SOLICITATIONS to bad behavior.

Thanks for the info. BTW, I’ve never heard the Eastern Orthodox (Russian, Greek etc.) referred to as a Catholic church; is this in fact so?

I know Roman Catholics refer to them as “Catholic.” Whether they do it as much, I don’t know. IIRC, their liturgy is about three hours long, lots of singing, lots of incense. It’s the complete opposite of “sola scriptura.”

John Paul II allowed a Roman Catholic to fulfill their weekly liturgical obligation at an Eastern Rite liturgy (Ratzinger, Benny 16 agrees completely). It means that Rome recognizes that validity of the ordination of Eastern-Rite priests.

Rome’s canon law also respects validity of Baptism as administered by “reformed” Protestant ministers. It requires fewer dispensations for a Roman Catholic to marry a baptized Xtian than someone who was never baptized.

Uniate Churches is another term, and I’m sure I don’t understand all the ramifications. What unifies all Xtians is that they believe that Jesus reveals God. The earliest group was referrred to as “followers of the Nazarean,” and they were exclusively good pious Jews who continued to attend Temple. For reasons we don’t fully understand that relationship became strained, probably as a result of increasing friction with the Romans, especially Nero, iirc. After the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70 and 125 ce, all that remained of Xtianity was a Greek version, which was Paul’s interpretation. Paul is really nearly the stature of Jesus and he gets an unfair rep imvho as a misogynist. For his day and judged against his peers, he was a radical feminist and a really terrific theologican. Xtianity endured many heresies as it evolved, but the two largest schisms are the Eastern and then the Western (Luther).

Roman Catholics, especially the popes, tend to forget that they are Xtians before they are Roman Catholics.

I am intrigued by your view of 16th century Christianity. I’ve never heard this before. And I was raised as a Lutheran (go figure! – but that’s behind me now).

I was raised Roman Catholic and studied to be a priest. If you want to see what Luther was up against, visit a non-Roman Catholic Church aka “eastern-rite” aka Ukranian Catholic, Russian Orthodox…. Luther was the Western Schism. The Eastern Schism @1378 – 1417 was between the Bishop of Rome and the eastern Patriarchs who have always rejected the bishop of Rome’s authority. On this issue they agreed completely with Luther. Liturgically, however, they completely rejected Luther’s sola scriptura and the icons aka false idols that were so central to Xtianity before Luther. Once you see those non-Roman Catholic churches, imvho it’s easier to see how much Luther, Calvin and others impacted Roman Catholicism theologically and liturgically. FWIW, non-Roman Catholics agree with Luther wrt celibacy which is optional, not required. AFAIK, they still hold onto a male only priesthood. The last two RC popes (assh*les) have been much more interested in ecumenism with the Eastern rite than with the reformers aka Protestants.

Thanks for the info. BTW, I’ve never heard the Eastern Orthodox (Russian, Greek etc.) referred to as a Catholic church; is this in fact so?

-MS