
There comes a time in every trial when it becomes totally, and absolutely boring. That moment has arrived for the prosecution. They are now reading aloud to the jury transcripts of telephone conversations between the alleged conspirators.
Since the conversations are in code – zucchini, cucumbers, radishes -- perhaps the readers of FDL might be diverted by a break from the transcript and a peek into be interested in some real life spy games.
“So– you’d like to ...Start another CIA? ”
Here you can purchase “Spy Survival Handbook,” “Mircro Spy Kit X-2,” “Eye Link Communications,” “Spy Truth Detector,.” Voice Scrambler,”“Spy Pen,” and “Spy Camera.”
What is not available at Amazon (until you are 21 years old) are copies of the torture memos: “The President’s Constitutional Authority To Conduct Operations Against Terrorists and Nations Supporting Them” written by now Yale Law School Professor John Yoo or “Re: Standards of Conduct for Interrogation under 18 U.S.C. 2340 2340A ," written by Jay. S. Beebe, then with Bush’s Office of Legal Counsel but then, as a reward for his diligence, a lifetime appointment to the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.
The Roman statesman Cicero put it this way a very long time ago: silent enim leges inter arma – the law is silent in wartime. (Cited by Howard Zinn in Peter Irons’ “A People History of the Supreme Court .”
So – let us consider the law’s silence in terms of our current war on terror–and then what passes for law in wartime, which is, in the Padilla case, more aptly termed “noise.”
The law is silent, now, about the previous charges that Jose Padilla was a “dirty bomber.” The jury will hear none of that. The jury has also been deliberately prevented from hearing anything having to do with Padilla’s alleged plans for destroying U.S. apartment buildings. Consigned to the “silent” category, at least for now, are 87 taped confessions extracted from Padilla during his 1,000 plus days in solitary confinment, undergoing interrogation in the Charleston Naval brig. This is where, according to then-Deputy Attorney General James Comey, Padilla confessed to conspiring to blow up high rise apartment buildings via the use of gas stoves.
But Federal Judge Marcia Cooke, presiding over the Padilla trial, has issued a gag order. (A couple of years too late to stifle Comey’s exploding stove’s charges.) The jury will not be allowed to view those taped confessions, though the tapes have, in fact, been turned over to the defense. The jury as well as the defense won’t see tape number 88, the last taped taken. It’s..missing. Perhaps its in the same silent place as the missing 18 1/2 minutes of Nixon’s Watergate tapes? Some day we’ll have a lawyer of Dante Alighieri’s quality to categorize the levels of silence when justice must be carried out in the inferno of war..
The hard evidence in this conspiracy case (forget the “dirty bomb,” forget exploding apartment buildings) consists of 300,000 taped telephone conversations. Of those 300,000 exactly 230 taped phone conversations make up the evidence, the so-called “heart” of the “conspiracy.” Of those 230 conversations, 21 of those calls made reference to Padilla, with only seven phone calls with Padilla’s actual voice on the line. And those seven calls make no specific references to terrorist plans, ideas or thoughts-- unless the prosecution comes up with convincing proof that the word “zucchini” is code for destruction.
Another crucial piece of “hard evidence” is Padilla’s al Qaeda application form, originally in Arabic, produced by a disguised CIA agent. (See my “One of these is not like the other? ” column) ABC News has the five-page document in both English and Arabic. Remember, the CIA agent discovered the document only in Arabic but claimed to have made out Padilla’s birthday and nick name, Abu Abdallah Muhair. Very fortunate for someone who was given a truck load of documents and a non-Arabic reader., to encounter that form.
And who would have expected the Mujahadeem to have an application form that looks like it’s been developed by the al-Qaeda H.R. department? As Dinocrat ruefully notes, it’s “pretty funny if it weren’t for the annoying fact that these people want to kill us.”
These are some of Padilla’s answers from the translated form:
Field: Carpentry
Profession: Student
Religious subjects studied: Language and Quran
Can you return to your country? Yes, with no problems.
Have you traveled to countries other than Afghanistan (optional) : Yes
What are they? Egypt, to study - Saudi Arabia for Hajj- Yemen, as a way to go through for Jihad
How can we be sure this form was filled out by Padilla? Padilla’s fingerprints are on the document now? As Carol J. Williams of the Los Angeles Times points out:
John Morgan, the fingerprint analyst, who is now with the Secret Service, testified [for the prosecution] that he examined the application form in August — more than six years after Padilla allegedly filled it out and 5 1/2 years after the FBI obtained it. (Emphasis added)
Does any one have to point to the three and a half years Padilla spent in the brig, often blindfolded subject to torture. Is it a stretch to imagine someone holding a pack of papers out to Padilla and ordering him to “take it?”
The “hard evidence” thus far doesn’t seem to challenge Judge Cooks’s first take at the pretrial hearing, that the prosecution is “very light on facts,” facts that would substantiate the accusation that Padilla, indeed, conspired with Asham Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi to “murder, kidnap and maim” people overseas and provide support to terror groups. So far the jury has:
1. An alleged al-Quaeda recruitment application questionnaire in which Padilla gave his birthday and assumed Arabic name;2. Fingerprints on the al Quaeda application found six years after Padilla allegedly filled it out and 51/2 years after the FBI obtained it, and produced 3 1/2 years after Padilla was held with no charges placed against him, blindfolded and chained in the brig. (We’re putting aside the allegations of torture.)
3. The testimony of confessed and convicted prosecution Yahba Goba, one of the Lackawanna Six who went to al Qaeda military camp (different from the one Padilla allegedly visited) where he, Goba, learned to fire automatic rifles and set off explosions. (More Friday)
And to come in the days and weeks to come:
Seven taped phone calls with Padilla’s actual voice, though his actual voice speaks of getting zuchinni;
Very light on facts, indeed.
What the prosecution doesn’t need to put into evidence are those “silent elephants” in the courtroom, the ones the jurors promised not to acknowledge or take into consideration when they eventually decided the case, the silent elephants they are, sadly, all to familiar with:.
- Charges in every media outlet throughout the world that Jose Padilla had planned to explode dirty bombs.
- Charges in every media outlet throughout the world that Jose Padilla had confessed to a plan to blow up high rise apartment buildings by exploding stoves.
“Silent enim leges inter arma“ The silence of the law in wartime , the silence Cicero referred to, has become deafening here in the United States. Does anyone seriously believe that the jury can ignore it? Can justice be blind and deaf?
(With Rachel M. Koch)
Lew can be reached at lew dot koch at gmail dot com.
Please note that two figures in last Friday's column have been corrected as follows:"the eight, 123-foot Coast Guard cutters, built at a cost of $34 million" (the original read "billion") and "The Coast Guard now claims it will seek damages from Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman for eight failed patrol boats amounting to $60-100 million." (the original read "billion")
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Lewis and Rachel!
Zed?
edit:
Nope, but congrats npb! (and how we can help with the litigation phase of kicking multimillionaire Eastwood’s wizened pampered ass out of the lovely forests in yuor hood?
And Lew - bless you and Rachel.
The eco-vandal trials in Eugene are in sentencing phase.
After formal convictions, the US Attorney
Jane! Christy! Pach! punaise!
FIREDOGLAKE!
kirk murphy @ 2
Aw heck kirk - I thought I had a grand slam zeddo. That’ll teach me. grin….
Madness, madness, madness
I’m ready! Playing on my Boise - Glenn Gould, “State of Wonder” — The Complete Goldberg Variations, recorded 1955 and 1981 — and they are a wonder to listen to — each so very, very different, played at different stages in his career So — fire away.
My question, Lew, is: how can any prosecution go forward in front of a judge who’s said the case is “very light on facts?” I do not understand what other implements the prosecution intends to use, absent facts, to convince the jury.
How often does he mention zucchini?
Does Padilla have a Defense Atty worth a damn?
And just for the record…I hope we’re not being monitored for zucchini references. I think we had about 200 comments a few days ago on what to do with all the zucchini come harvest time.
solai @ 11
you’re doomed, solai
TeddySanFran@8
Judge Cooke is a very interesting judge. The question is — with very little experience in the bench — and herself light in terms of legal education and practice — could she have enough courage to let the prosecution present it’s entire case and rest — and the defense stand and ask the judge to dismiss the case on the grounds that there is so little evidence that she herself is directing a verdict of NOT GUILTY. It happens. In many ways I think that’s what SHOULD HAPPEN, not only on the sheer lack of evidence, but for the issues the judge’s fully understands, the “noise” I referred to in the courtroom, the torture, the prejudice engendered by the “Justice” Department. But it would take great, great courage. I have covered cases –”The Conspiracy 8″ case, where the judge was totally determined to have the jury bring in a verdict of guilty. And so they did. And of course, all of it was thrown out on appeal.
The safe way for her is to let the jury make the decision. That is, at the end of the day, what I expect.
Where is Kafka when we need him? Christ! I’m going to go back to doing honest work reviewing books by useful idiots to the Neocons. Padilla is a tragedy of the first proportion. It will be the real test of the Roberts Supreme Court.
Hi npb!
(my zed stategy - first the ?zed.
If the zero comes, then I claim the zed on behalf of Mother of the Felines, Queen of my home.)
PS - and can’t figure out how I mangled my comment 02 above, but that’s just me… ;[
Is the judge a GW Clusterfuck appointee?
Oilfieldguy at 10
As a matter of fact his attorneys are quite good. Andrew Patel has been with Padilla almost from the first week on. And he has benefited from serious advice from some of the best attorneys in the nation who have chipped in with their advice and counsel FREE. (Padilla’s lawyer’s bills could have easily run into the millions.) It was only on a minor legal question — who to sue — the President and Rumsfeld or the Superintendent of the Brig that Padilla’s case failed to be dismissed, like Hamdi’s was. But it was six of one and a half dozen of another. One hundreds lawyers would have come down fifty on one side of the question and fifty on the other. This was all NEW territory, and so little precedent, and what there was went back to World War 2, and then the Civil War.
Seriously, how many times did he mention zucchini?
I’m not denying that the way this was handled is reprehensible (and should be illegal) but do his vegetable references seem suspicious?
Lew Koch says:
May 30th, 2007 at 6:28 pm
The safe way for her is to let the jury make the decision. That is, at the end of the day, what I expect.
Yep. Saw a judge say practically the same thing two weeks ago. Then she sent it to the jury.
For west coast pups - Gwen Eiffel interviewing Al Gore now on PBS.
ReElect President Gore 2008 - accept on substitutes.
A zuchini is a very dangerous vegetable- sinister- sleek- nefarious- and the evidence can be eaten.
rwcole @ 21
Not to mention its suggestive and prurient shape!
rwcole at 16
The judge is a black woman who began her legal career as a public defender.She has not attracted negative attention from academic the academic community or the bar, Judge Cooke then became a prosecutor and caught Jeb Bush’s eye. She has run a very strict (too strict a courtroom in my opinion — reporters being prevented from speaking to the prosecution or defense WHEN THE JURY IS OUT OF THE COURTROOM! She is frighten of the case being inadvertently tainted. That’s nerves. But no one really has a “take” on her.
Lew, Thanks.
She caught Jeb’s eye- did that result in her being in her present position?
Knut Wicksell @ 14
Gimme a break. Kafka would never have eaten zucchini.
(More seriously, this is such a travesty.)
Teddy
Yes- that too. It’s the perfect weapon- use it and eat it. No evidence!!!
(Like the “ice dart” in an old batman comic”.)
solai at 18
What am I to make of spending $3500 on zucchini?
But where can I go with my suspicions. It’s supposed to be “beyond a reasonable doubt.” Until they can link Padilla’s voice or at least somebody’s voice going “Snicker, snicker, zucchini means rockets” then you’re left with no evidence,
Doubts? Sure but you can’t convict (or you’re supposed to convict on doubts.
I believe Mr. John Yoo is a law professor at U. California Berkley, not Yale.
Padilla was actually selling marital aids- since this is illegal in many gooper states- he took the fifth- so they kicked the shit out of him…
How many people in america think that the Clusterfuckers did NOT kick the shit out of him? Raise yer hands- come on now- don’t be shy. Higher now!!
Tim- Yes- Bolte Law.
It isn’t clear which of the Clusterfuckers interrogated this guy- but there are mountain bike tracks on his nuts.
Yoo’s profile from Boalt
http://www.law.berkeley.edu/fa.....?facID=235
Lew,
Thank you for the response regarding defense counsel. You wandered abit into the deep weeds in relation to the dismisal angle, but that is my fault and not yours.
I have viewed this case on the periphery for quite some time, namely the Presidents ability to throw an American citizen in jail absent of charges, declaring him an “illegal combatant” and claiming extra-constitutional authority.
In other words, the President can throw any American citizen in jail without charges and without benefit of counsel for no other reason than he felt like it.
He has siezed the power to break the law.
Padillas attorney has a big ol’ fukkin mountain in front of him, and a whole bunch of people hoping he can restore the constitution.
The trial of the ages, and no less.
OT but might be of interest. It looks like the Thailand justice system has managed to do what Americans only wish we could.
Thai court disbands Thaksin’s party
Good evening everyone.
Who was the fascist lawyer from UCLA who came out to adise the Florida legislature durin the 2000 election gooper riot?
Well, there’s 2 issues here. One being the way he was detained, tortured, denied due process etc. There is no defense for that. And I am outraged and saddened that that could happen in the U.S.
The second issue being if he’s guilty of plotting a terrorist attack. I don’t know the evidence. You’ve told us it’s thin, but I haven’t been able to make an independent judgement on that.
But do not misunderstand. Nothing justifies the treatment that he has suffered through for the last few years.
Good evening lolo!
rwcole @ 21
The spooks mistook zuch for nuke because they really really wanted it to be true.. (what was it a truck load of nuke zuchs?)
Tim Burke at 30
Correct. He was educated at Yale. Sorry
I appreciate Lew’s birds eye view of this trial. It would be wonderful f he could score an actual interview with defense counsel.
Oilfieldguy at 33
You gotta get Glenn Greenwald’s “How would a Patriot Act” Go to Amazon now, Do not pass go.
He has the same take as you.
Dammit! I forgot to eat again today. Signing off.
*poof*
Tim Burke @ 32
So when’s Joannie Caucus Redfern going to blast her alma mater for hiring Yoo?
And how many folks even get the joke?
Oilfieldguy @ 43
Forgot to eat??……Again?????
Lew Koch @ 42
Teehee,
done read it Lew. Where do you think I got such perverted views of habeus corpus and innocent until proven guilty and shit.
Now, off to eat sumthin. And no, not anyone you know.
*poof*
dakine01 @ 44
There are a lotta of Bears checking out da lake IMHO.
Oilfieldguy @ 43
Nighty night oilfieldguy. Sweet dreams after you eat.
dakine01 @ 44
***
Doonesbury! (IIRC)
solai at 37
Oh boy yes! There are things I believe he wanted to do that are way, way outside the pale. And that’s my reporter’s gut talking (which, thank the goddesses) have never led me astray. Which is why I got into Padilla in the first place. “Dirty Bomber?” I thought when Ashcroft made his announcement. I KNOW where this punk lives; I know his friends. Thug yes, oh yes. But what they accused him of — the dirty bombs, the high rise apartment explosions — in his DREAMS! As far as what I “think” (and not “know”) Padilla is a chump with delusions.
CD @ 50
Ding!
This whole thing frightens me to no end, and given the current makeup of the court, I don’t see much hope other than a truly good President.
“Good president”? Well then there is no hope- best we can hope for is a president whose bread is buttered on exactly the opposite side from this piece of shit.
I wish I could forget to eat sometimes……
Hi mods -
please delete my 46.
Time to restart the browser and OS. apologies.
crike.
[Mod Note; we were wondering about that one.]
Tithonia @ 55
Me too. Opposite problem, I’m afraid. It’s more ‘how many have I already eaten?’
Will J. @ 52
Pardon, but why are you so sure he’ll be convicted, if the evidence is that thin (zucchinilike)?
Um, if I say that I have the same problem yet I’m still about 165-170, will I be lynched?
Lew Koch @ 51
Well, we said it before. You don’t pick a boy scout for this type of experimental case.
165
How many stone is that?
Man in the Mists @ 59
not if you’re 5 feet tall
Torturing boy scouts doesn’t go over well in Peoria.
Will at 58
I think given the climate Bush has deliberately engendered the past five years, are there enough brave souls on the jury to face their peers and say, “Damn straight — the government didn’t have the goods and I voted not guilty.” How difficult is it in this climate of hysteria (Code Orange, Code Yellow — whatever) to vote that the evidence the government placed before us — proved zilch? I know all those movies — where the jury does the right thing. Problem is, they’re all movies.
Will you be giving us the phone transcripts?
rwcole: Apparently 165 lbs is 11.785714 stones.
solai: Umm, yes! Yes, I’m only 5 feet tall. >.>
*scrunches legs and sidles towards the door…*
solai at 64
I have very few, and the ones I have, thanks to the New York Times, are the ones that have Padilla on the line and I have only exerpts
Man- 11.78 eh- not so bad. Fullbacks go at 18 stone or so.
This might have been a good case to waive the jury trial and put it all on the judge.
“Hey man- seen any good zucchini lately?”
the problem is taking guys w/ bad intentions and rich fantasy lives like padilla appears to be and using them to gut the protections for all of us. no reason to have a lot of sympathy for padilla, but that doesn’t mean that what we did (or paid to have done) to him is at all acceptable. one is stupidity and assholeness, the other is war crimes. and jose padilla does not appear to be the war criminal in this picture …
OT, but maybe not so OT. Some have been worried about someone declaring martial law. I am not, but still not so happy about this, and possibly it may be of interest?
“Blackwater also plans to set up a military training center, called “Blackwater West,” in Potrero, a small town 45 miles to the east of San Diego. More than half of the registered voters of Potrero signed a petition opposing Blackwater’s plans and the county planning commission’s preliminary approval for the Blackwater facility. Blackwater pressured local officials to use local police and sheriffs to intimidate protestors attending a county planning commission meeting on the project. Democratic US Representative Bob Filner is looking for ways to block the project.
Blackwater is headquartered in Moyock, North Carolina on an expansive former military base. Blackwater is owned by the Prince Group, headed by Erik Prince, whose sister is married to former Michigan GOP gubernatorial candidate and Amway heir Dick DeVos. Blackwater and Prince Group are a bevy of Christian right wingers, including General Counsel Joseph Schmitz, former Pentagon Inspector General and the son of the late racist GOP and John Birch Society congressman John Schmitz, Sr. and brother of convicted Washington state school teacher pedophile Mary Kay Letourneau. Joseph Schmitz’s brother, John Schmitz, Jr. is married to the sister of Columba Bush, the wife of former Florida Governor Jeb Bush. Gary Jackson, Blackwater’s president, steered Blackwater campaign contributions to three GOP congressmen who have been embroiled in major ethical scandals: former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, former House Armed Services Committee Chairman Duncan Hunter, and former House Appropriations Committee Chairman Jerry Lewis.” (I copied this from a commenter but don’t recall which site, sorry).
Sorry for the miss-hit at #66. Let me gather my thoughts. I have very few transcripts and they are courtesy of The New York Times to whom they were leaked. I can tell from the coverage (down to near zero as far as yesterday and today is) there is nothing newsworthy. I was at the trial at the beginning. I may return for the opening of the defense and the jury verdict. I have had lengthy conversations with the reporters covering the trial. I have their stories as well as their personal emails to me about what is and what is not happening. But these are some very, very, very good reporters who are damn careful with every “allegation” being just that — an allegation and not proof because someone with a government title says so. These are tough and very smart reporters. I’ve quoted many - the AP, LA Times, Christian Science Monitor, Miami Herald — damn good people.
Hunter is the guy who’s helpin ta get the new California training base set up. Piece of shit!!
Lew,
Following your work with interest. I’d say Padilla is now a chump with hallucinations.
This case has astounded me for the lack of outcry on the part of the public. What it says to us is that anyone can be picked up and held for any reason. This is what totalitarian regimes do. This is Stasi behavior.
Yet week after week, nothing. No concern.
mulligatawny - check out Jeremy Scahill’s new book - Blackwater. Lots to learn there.
OT
Teevee tonight:
Charlie Rose does Wolfowitz or is that Wolfowitz does Charlie Rose, anyway…
Siun @ 75
You know, their logo gives me the creeps. That bear claw, or whatever that is.
lee5 at 70
I have a full and solid psychoanalytical analysis on why Padilla has behaved the way he has. The analysis is based on the theories of Heinz Kohut. Very dense indeed. I once worked for one year on an interview with him for Psychology Today Magazine (when it was being run by T George Harris and was a wonderful placve.) I just had huge problems bringing his words to the place where magazine readers were. I used those same theories (without the detailed words of Kohut) in a speech at NASA to explain why hackers attacked their computers.
It takes a hell of a long time to “set up” and I’m not sure a blog is the place to lay these out. Perhaps in the book I’m thinking about…:-)
Lew Koch @ 63
Never know. Winds are changing. I was just listening to Anderson Cooper while cleaning up the kitchen, and he mentioned Cheney having his visitor records out of reach and the DCMadame scandal in the same sentence. Could be that 70% of Americans are actually sane.
rwcole @ 73
Isn’t he your rep, rw?
kirk murphy @ 55
Ian at 74
“a chump with hallucinations.” yes, exactly. The problem for me becomes what series of events have occurred that have set those hallucinations off? It goes back to childhood and on into adulthood, and the traumas experienced by the individual can also be experienced by “people,” like-minded individuals living under the same circumstances, suffering the same trauma, day after day, until they say they are forced to believe thety are worthless, or rage, almost out of control, with desperate, almost suicidal anger. Wr have seen that in Padilla’s history (murder, shooting a pistol at some driver who cut him off.)
Okay, tell me where I’m wrong.
As I see it, this trial is not the issue. This trial is the way it’s supposed to be. He’s been charged, evidence will be presented and he will be judged by a jury. This trial is the way it’s supposed to be.
The outrage is not what is happening now. The outrage is what has happened during the last few years.
If you think I’m missing something feel free to say so. I’m open to disagreement.
Lew,
thanks for your reporting, and being here.
What I don’t quite get, Padilla was broken years ago, what is the reason for all this? A kind of show trial? Sorry if this question sounds naive, have only followed it here and there.
solai: I believe the problem is that due to the serious lack of evidence (despite spending five years “collecting” it), this trial shouldn’t be held in the first place. By all rights, Padilla should have been released years ago.
LooHoo- No I’ve got one of the other fascists- Bilbray…Would love ta see a clean sweep- including Issa…but that’s a dream
Padilla didn’t have WMD- but he wanted some- and if he had some- he might have used em- so invade him- I mean convict him- it’s the 1% doctrine that we now run the country on.
I’ve got Issa. I knew you were around here somewhere, rw.
Man in the mists .. I just finished reading One Percent Doctrine and there are so many examples of them not stopping even when it’s clear the “intel” is not right and the target is not the terrorist they claim… one of their big catches was seriously mentally ill and the FBI knew he was unable to give info but the CIA and friends tortured him for years just in case they could get a tidbit to please W who loves this stuff … I mean, he asks about how they are getting the info and was asking for daily updates of the progress of the “interrogations”
Padilla had the misfortune of showin up when Ashcrack needed ta show the merican people he was protectin em- tough luck.
Siun- I just finished it too. Pretty good book- especially the parts where we learn how the—er—unusual qualities of this president have fucked up policy and the management of the govt.
where is the zed??????? where is trex???????
patience is a virtue, cassie :)
RW … nodding, the really sick fascination of W for torture is hard to read but important, eh?
Suzanne @ 93
I HATE PATIENCE !!!!!!!!!!
Siun
Yeah- and how he couldn’t listen to a briefing unless it was done by an “operative” so that he could talk about cool spy shit. That’s our prez- wore a cowboy hat too I’ll wager.
Cassie, you never know when age and treachery might overcome youth and skill ;-)
Man in the Mists @ 84
Ok, I need to revise what I said. If the evidence is too thin to even prosecute (which is Lew’s point) then I stand corrected.
yep RW … and boots I’m sure!
OT-Daily Show rerun w/ Al Gore is on.
solai at 83 and mulligatawny at 84
If the current charges against Padilla had been the ones first filed, I’d have no problem at all. But that’s not the reality. He was, like no other citizen I can think of, vilified by President Bush and Attorney General Ashcroft. His rights as an American citizen were wiped away with one brush stroke and he was incarcerated, without a lawyer or a public trial. He was, as you all know, our “dirty bomber” and there he remained, for two years.
Then, suddenly those charges disappear, as if they had never existed. But now Padilla is “guilty” of new charges, blowing up high rises apartment buildings. How do we know he’s guilty? Why the Deputy Attorney General, the second highest law administration in the nation, tells us its so, tells us that Padilla has admitted it. But this second highest official — Robert Comey — says he can’t use Padilla’s confessions because Padilla didn’t have a lawyer. What Comey fails to tell us is how they obtained that confession. Did his interrogators just ask nice? Or did they have to use a little more, er, persuasion.
No matter, because the case, along with that of another terror suspect, is wending its way to the Supreme Court at the same time. Lo and behold, the Supreme Court frees the other man and tell Padilla’s lawyers to file again and they’ll release him. The SC even gives Padilla’s lawyers a road map on how to get their client out of jail.
And then “magic” occurs, not only have the dirty bomber charges disappeared in the wind, so have those charges of blowing up high rises.
Poof, they’re gone, and brand new ones are filed, just in time to escape the freedom promised by the Supreme Court.
In Chicago, this kind of thing is called “a fix.”
Cassie hon … gotta say, I know that the other night when I had a post up and you popped in to say “where’s trex, when’s trex, etc” it wasn’t a great feeling for me as a writer.
I was just thinkin bout them boots–I can picture the scene. The book said that analysts got so they had to sort of pretend to be operatives in order to brief Clusterfuck- an Cheney came up with a new doctrine that said that it was best if Clusterfuck didn’t really KNOW anything. Clusterfuck signed off on the ignorance thing.
Siun @ 102
Oh. I didn’t think of that. Sorry. I will click quietly.
The guy was goin ta blow up apartment buildings by leavin the ovens on?? That’s IT? Right outa the Al Queda manual?
Lew — Where did you get that image at the top of the post?
rwcole @ 105
Will that really blow it up? How many ovens do you need?
With the right dinner he could have just farted the damned apartments down…makes about as much sense.
Yep RW … amazing to read that they all played along with W’s little games.
I wasn’t always a fan of Susskind’s writing this time (thought the ONeil book was better on that score) but the material is astonishing and important.
If ya put zucchinis in them ovens- it just might work- how many zucchinis would it take?
Hi everyone.
Lew, after following the case and trying to stay informed, I think your coverage may be the definitive work on the case to date. Siun? Thanks for the piece on Malalai Joya the other day. Incredibly inspirational.
Hi, Cassie.
Cassie … that’s a good idea.
Siun- I liked the O Neil book better too- I can’t forget the story of his first official meeting with the President Dufus.
Could a guy get convicted of say- “planning” to blow up a building with a bottle of vinegar?
RonD - thanks to Joya … she gives me hope.
And for folks who didn’t see it, check the post and write those letters!
Malalai Joya
Evenin’ Ron
ONeil’s an interesting guy … he did some amazing stuff on environmental issues at Alcoa … I used to deal with some of the Alcoa people on sustainability topics and it was impressive to see how far ahead of so many companies they were.
rwcole @ 110
Three plus tomato sauce and garlic. Takes an hour.
Well.. if the case starts going too badly for the shrubestapo they can always pull a Hamdi and announce a deal whereby the US-born Padilla can be stripped of his US citizenship and banished in lieu of trial or judicial process. Heck, they did that before — a blatent violation of the ICCPR — in banishing the US born Hamdi to Saudi Arabia.
Yeah- well that would be american Zucchini- what about middle eastern zucchini?
Leahy and Conyers broaden their investigation:
http://www.realcities.com/mld/.....301116.htm
SK @ 95
‘Give me patience, right now‘?
I know that feeling
rwcole @ 120
Do they sell that in Texas?
Birthday therapod upstairs
Please read pgs 115 -118 and discover how Padilla’s name first surfaced. It was through the continued and depraved torture of Abu Zubayah. This was no “ticking bomb” situation — Zubatdah said anything his interrogators wanted him to say. Somethings completely unreal and others, Padilla’s name for example, real. What does not check is that Zubaydah offers Padilla’s name in May, 2002. Padilla is arrested on May 8. But the Department of Defense later offers a federal judge in New York a seven page single spaced document of Padilla’s years in the Middle East. Years! They had his ass under observation for a very long time!
Peterr
That’s one of Dore’s illustrations for Dante’s Inferno. I think those are the avaricious, in their lead-lined cloaks. (I’ts been a while since I read an edition with those pictures.)
That’s very interesting Lew … I’ll go reread those pages.
Meanwhile, on page A8 of tomorrow’s WaPo, we learn that another Gitmo detainee has died, apparently a suicide.
Total # of detainees that have been held at Gitmo: 775.
Total # currently at Gitmo: about 380.
Total # of suicide attempts: over 40, as of last year.
Total # of successful suicides: Four.
Total # of detainees who have had charges filed against them under the Military Commissions Act of 2006: Three.
More successful suicides than charges filed. I’m tempted to add some snark, but don’t trust myself on that right now.
This.
Must.
End.
P J Evans @ 126
Thanks! I knew it looked familiar, but I couldn’t place it.
Peterr @ 128
I suppose we must just take their word that these were in fact “suicides” as opposed to “suicide-ed”.. .or is there a difference anymore?
Blub @ 130
Hard to tell sometimes.
I did note that the WaPo reported in the passive voice in their lead paragraph: “A Saudi detainee at the U.S. military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was found dead in his cell from an apparent suicide yesterday afternoon, military officials said.”
Peter
I felt The Inferno was appropriate.
ya know, if I were Padilla I’d probably take Hamdi-like exile if it was offered. I mean, living abroad would still be infinitely better than a few decades in a subterranean steel box of a sensory deprivation tank in Florence, CO… where they transferred the hapless John Walker Lindh after promising that he would be allowed to serve his time at a medium security prison near his parents.
Lew Koch @ 132
In my professional theological opinion, I don’t think I’m going out on a limb to say that there’s a special circle of hell waiting for the folks who dreamed up a lot of the US policies around Iraq, Gitmo, Abu G, etc.
And all they’ll need to do is apply the manuals that the residents of that circle wrote themselves.
This is a quote from page 117 of Suskind’s One Percent Doctrine.
They’ve just pulled the name of Padilla from Zubaydah via torture. Here it is
“Imagine him sitting with a lawyers, “John McLaughlin [a CIA Deputy to Tenent] said at one five o’clock meeting in May where the modest disclosures from Zubaydah were discussed. “That would have been an utter cop-out. We wiukd never know what we missed>”
An utter and complete lie. This is the man,(among many) who should be under indictment, with a lawyer of course.
(MOD NOTE: removed at commenter’s request)
oh.. I’m so sorry.. I meant to post that someplace else… Moderator.. can you remove that last post?
Blub at 136
For a long moment there I…I thought I had…entered…The Twilight Zone.
I’m really sorry about that. I’m posting stuff on another blog that also uses the same WordPress interface, and I got confused. Please please please do remove 136.
blub, i fixed it for you - refresh your page and 136 is removed by commenter’s request
Suzanne,
Thank you so much
Lew Koch @ 78
interesting … would love to hear more.
Lee at 142
Send me an e-mail, please at my gmail account.
Thanks
What do you mean ‘us’, white man?
I’m not a Christian, I’m not an Imperialist, and I’m barely tolerant of capitalism.
What, they want to kill me ‘for my freedom’?
people always vilify those the wrongly hurt. Padilla isn’t guilty because he did anything, he’s guilty because he was tortured.
Sad.
Monday, April 30, 2007
Senator Feinstein Introduces Legislation to Close Detention Facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
-Bill requires transfer of Guantanamo Bay detainees to other detention facilities-
Washington, DC – U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) introduced legislation today to close the Department of Defense detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, within one year of the bill’s enactment.
It is the first measure introduced in the Senate to close the Guantanamo Bay facility.
Senator Feinstein, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee, is deeply concerned that open-ended detentions and documented reports of detainee abuse at Guantanamo Bay have tarnished America’s reputation and complicated our efforts to fight global terrorism.
John Yoo at Yale? He gets rewarded for writing the most legally questionable and morally repugnant memoranda in the history of the Justice Department? I guess the Bush family tree dropped a few road apples on their alma mater. Next time a rightwing pundit starts yapping about academe’s “liberal bias”, I think I’ll throw up in his/her face.
rwcole @ 87
The idea of a 1% doctrine is convenient nonsense as it’s applied nowhere else in our society. There’s well more than a 1% chance of death by plane / train / car crash but “safety” measures sufficient to stop them aren’t taken. Well more than a 1% chance that obesity or obesity related illness will kill large numbers of Americans but we go right on selling high fructose corn syrup, not checking the meat for E-Coli or mad cow and so on. I can go on with this list but we all know that life is fraught with situations where there is well more than a 1% chance of dying in any given situation.
This is about power and money. An investigation is yet to be done about who is getting rich off Iraq. Robert Greenwald has started the process but his evidence right now is largely anecdotal and observational. We don’t have access to Cheney’s bank accounts any more than we have to the log of visitors who came to see him. But I submit it would all make for interesting reading.