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		<title>By: The Crux</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/30/from-waterboarding-to-toothpaste-ads/#comment-727505</link>
		<dc:creator>The Crux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 21:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The ACLU said today that it will sue a Boeing subsidiary for helping the CIA to secretly abduct suspects and take them overseas, where they were allegedly tortured–according to a post on &lt;a href=&quot;http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/&quot;&gt;Buck Naked Politics&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ACLU said today that it will sue a Boeing subsidiary for helping the CIA to secretly abduct suspects and take them overseas, where they were allegedly tortured–according to a post on <a href="http://bucknakedpolitics.typepad.com/buck_naked_politics/">Buck Naked Politics</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: ~itunkala</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/30/from-waterboarding-to-toothpaste-ads/#comment-727332</link>
		<dc:creator>~itunkala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 19:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;OT, but as related as Mr Thompson is to the GOP candidates (just a matter of time) …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003315.php&quot;&gt;http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003315.php&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT, but as related as Mr Thompson is to the GOP candidates (just a matter of time) …</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003315.php">http://www.tpmmuckraker.com/archives/003315.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Adie</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/30/from-waterboarding-to-toothpaste-ads/#comment-727019</link>
		<dc:creator>Adie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 16:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;108…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;…mourning dove, red-tailed hawk, red-shouldered hawk, sharp-shinned hawk, pileated woodpecker, great horned owl, wood thrush, cowbird, chimney swift, barn swallow, turkey vulture, ovenbird, killdeer, meadow vole, gray tree frog, dutchman’s breeches, trout lily, spring beauty, trillium, mayapple, dentaria, beebalm, milkweed, milkweed tiger moth, monarch, deptford pink, staghorn sumac, jewelweed, poison ivy, hawkweed, daisy fleabane, oxeye daisy, butterflyweed, burdock, trumpet vine, hazelnut, pussy willow, American walnut, wild cherry, pignut &amp; shagbark hickory, sugar maple, American beech, damselflies, elderberry, thistles, crabapple, ragweed, goldenrod, dogwoods, ash, viburnum, blackberries, blueberries, wild strawberries, black raspberries, wood lily - [oops], …&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;yellow ribbon…&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>108…</p>
<p>…mourning dove, red-tailed hawk, red-shouldered hawk, sharp-shinned hawk, pileated woodpecker, great horned owl, wood thrush, cowbird, chimney swift, barn swallow, turkey vulture, ovenbird, killdeer, meadow vole, gray tree frog, dutchman’s breeches, trout lily, spring beauty, trillium, mayapple, dentaria, beebalm, milkweed, milkweed tiger moth, monarch, deptford pink, staghorn sumac, jewelweed, poison ivy, hawkweed, daisy fleabane, oxeye daisy, butterflyweed, burdock, trumpet vine, hazelnut, pussy willow, American walnut, wild cherry, pignut &amp; shagbark hickory, sugar maple, American beech, damselflies, elderberry, thistles, crabapple, ragweed, goldenrod, dogwoods, ash, viburnum, blackberries, blueberries, wild strawberries, black raspberries, wood lily &#8211; [oops], …</p>
<p>yellow ribbon…</p>
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		<title>By: do-si-do</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/30/from-waterboarding-to-toothpaste-ads/#comment-727000</link>
		<dc:creator>do-si-do</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 16:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Good morning, anyone here in epu land?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Just wanted to comment that I don’t believe our thugs in command give a hoot in hell about winning a war as much a waging war.  They don’t care about gaining intelligence.  I think they just want to beat on people.  And get people killed.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Because they can.   That’s it.  The USA is now just a 200lb gorilla.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good morning, anyone here in epu land?</p>
<p>Just wanted to comment that I don’t believe our thugs in command give a hoot in hell about winning a war as much a waging war.  They don’t care about gaining intelligence.  I think they just want to beat on people.  And get people killed.  </p>
<p>Because they can.   That’s it.  The USA is now just a 200lb gorilla.</p>
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		<title>By: HotFlash</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/30/from-waterboarding-to-toothpaste-ads/#comment-726960</link>
		<dc:creator>HotFlash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 15:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-726749&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 93&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;torture does work in one respect…&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;it can be quite successful in terrorizing the target population.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;i think we need to address this one head on - explicitly and openly: do we really want to terrorize muslims? why? what does it achieve? is it wise?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;once again, the answer is that our policy has been both immoral &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; stupid.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We are also the target population.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-726749"><em>selise @ 93</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>torture does work in one respect…</p>
<p>it can be quite successful in terrorizing the target population.</p>
<p>i think we need to address this one head on &#8211; explicitly and openly: do we really want to terrorize muslims? why? what does it achieve? is it wise?</p>
<p>once again, the answer is that our policy has been both immoral <em>and</em> stupid.</p>
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<p>We are also the target population.</p>
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		<title>By: Rayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 15:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-726786&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mandrake @ 117&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
And thank you for pointing out how difficult day-to-day life is for some of us and how, being sensitive to our environment and to the suffering of other human beings and creatures, sometimes the realities of what’s going on in the larger scheme of things is just hard to bear.  I have not just sat back and done nothing, I really have tried to make a difference as I know you have (and much more successfully, you can see the results before your eyes), but still get discouraged from lack of comraderie.  No one around me seems to get it, except for my folks.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Mandrake, I don’t know where you are or what your circumstances are — but have you checked the MeetUp.com website to see whether there are groups near you that might be like-minded?  You’d be surprised at what’s out there.  (Heck, depending on where folks are, they might even find me…)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m certain that taking this step is what kept me from going absolutely bonkers in the depths of 2003-2004.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-726786"><em>Mandrake @ 117</em></a></p>
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And thank you for pointing out how difficult day-to-day life is for some of us and how, being sensitive to our environment and to the suffering of other human beings and creatures, sometimes the realities of what’s going on in the larger scheme of things is just hard to bear.  I have not just sat back and done nothing, I really have tried to make a difference as I know you have (and much more successfully, you can see the results before your eyes), but still get discouraged from lack of comraderie.  No one around me seems to get it, except for my folks.</p>
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<p>Mandrake, I don’t know where you are or what your circumstances are — but have you checked the MeetUp.com website to see whether there are groups near you that might be like-minded?  You’d be surprised at what’s out there.  (Heck, depending on where folks are, they might even find me…)</p>
<p>I’m certain that taking this step is what kept me from going absolutely bonkers in the depths of 2003-2004.</p>
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		<title>By: mui</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/30/from-waterboarding-to-toothpaste-ads/#comment-726895</link>
		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 15:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-726805&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;pointecoupeedemocrat @ 121&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-726786&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mandrake @ 117&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, Paxil was not good for me but it has helped my mom immensely with anxiety that she has dealt with for many decades.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And thank you for pointing out how difficult day-to-day life is for some of us and how, being sensitive to our environment and to the suffering of other human beings and creatures, sometimes the realities of what’s going on in the larger scheme of things is just hard to bear.  I have not just sat back and done nothing, I really have tried to make a difference as I know you have (and much more successfully, you can see the results before your eyes), but still get discouraged from lack of comraderie.  No one around me seems to get it, except for my folks.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;my comment was not a judgment.  i just offered my personal assessment of PAXIL.  it helped me too, but i am at the point of receiving diminishing returns.  after all, it has been four years.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I understood that. People’s chemistry is very individual IMHO. What works for one person, does not work for another. A lot of people can take Prozac and family, but I had a friend who buckled under the anxiety he got on it. I also had a friend who is so bipolar, not even 8 differnet meds could make a dent on the mania. What works for some, is just plain evil on others. Not all doctors understand that. Patients have to educate because they are the guinea pigs so to speak. New meds = new side effects.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-726805"><em>pointecoupeedemocrat @ 121</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-726786"><em>Mandrake @ 117</em></a></p>
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<p>Yes, Paxil was not good for me but it has helped my mom immensely with anxiety that she has dealt with for many decades.</p>
<p>And thank you for pointing out how difficult day-to-day life is for some of us and how, being sensitive to our environment and to the suffering of other human beings and creatures, sometimes the realities of what’s going on in the larger scheme of things is just hard to bear.  I have not just sat back and done nothing, I really have tried to make a difference as I know you have (and much more successfully, you can see the results before your eyes), but still get discouraged from lack of comraderie.  No one around me seems to get it, except for my folks.</p>
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<p>my comment was not a judgment.  i just offered my personal assessment of PAXIL.  it helped me too, but i am at the point of receiving diminishing returns.  after all, it has been four years.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I understood that. People’s chemistry is very individual IMHO. What works for one person, does not work for another. A lot of people can take Prozac and family, but I had a friend who buckled under the anxiety he got on it. I also had a friend who is so bipolar, not even 8 differnet meds could make a dent on the mania. What works for some, is just plain evil on others. Not all doctors understand that. Patients have to educate because they are the guinea pigs so to speak. New meds = new side effects.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandrake</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/30/from-waterboarding-to-toothpaste-ads/#comment-726838</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 14:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;pointe @121:  I understand. Different things work for different people.  You shouldn’t continue with something that’s not working for you.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pointe @121:  I understand. Different things work for different people.  You shouldn’t continue with something that’s not working for you.</p>
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		<title>By: mui</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/30/from-waterboarding-to-toothpaste-ads/#comment-726814</link>
		<dc:creator>mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 14:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-726795&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Scarecrow @ 119&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-726769&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;selise @ 109&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;if anyone is capable of more outrage - read &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/30/83136/1842&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;otherwise, i recommend avoidance.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for spotting that one. Should draw lots of attention from the blogosphere.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Norman Podhoretz is an ugly, ugly man.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-726795"><em>Scarecrow @ 119</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-726769"><em>selise @ 109</em></a></p>
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<p>if anyone is capable of more outrage &#8211; read <a href="http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/30/83136/1842">this</a>.</p>
<p>otherwise, i recommend avoidance.</p>
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<p>Thanks for spotting that one. Should draw lots of attention from the blogosphere.</p>
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<p>Norman Podhoretz is an ugly, ugly man.</p>
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		<title>By: pointecoupeedemocrat</title>
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		<dc:creator>pointecoupeedemocrat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 14:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-726786&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mandrake @ 117&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-726765&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;egregious @ 106&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;pointecoupee—Sorry you had a difficult time with paxil. It’s not for everyone.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But Paxil, and later Wellbutrin, probably saved my life.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;This is a tough time for those of us who get depressed just from normal life.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Yes, Paxil was not good for me but it has helped my mom immensely with anxiety that she has dealt with for many decades.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And thank you for pointing out how difficult day-to-day life is for some of us and how, being sensitive to our environment and to the suffering of other human beings and creatures, sometimes the realities of what’s going on in the larger scheme of things is just hard to bear.  I have not just sat back and done nothing, I really have tried to make a difference as I know you have (and much more successfully, you can see the results before your eyes), but still get discouraged from lack of comraderie.  No one around me seems to get it, except for my folks.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;my comment was not a judgment.  i just offered my personal assessment of PAXIL.  it helped me too, but i am at the point of receiving diminishing returns.  after all, it has been four years.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-726786"><em>Mandrake @ 117</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-726765"><em>egregious @ 106</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>pointecoupee—Sorry you had a difficult time with paxil. It’s not for everyone.</p>
<p>But Paxil, and later Wellbutrin, probably saved my life.  </p>
<p>This is a tough time for those of us who get depressed just from normal life.</p>
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<p>Yes, Paxil was not good for me but it has helped my mom immensely with anxiety that she has dealt with for many decades.</p>
<p>And thank you for pointing out how difficult day-to-day life is for some of us and how, being sensitive to our environment and to the suffering of other human beings and creatures, sometimes the realities of what’s going on in the larger scheme of things is just hard to bear.  I have not just sat back and done nothing, I really have tried to make a difference as I know you have (and much more successfully, you can see the results before your eyes), but still get discouraged from lack of comraderie.  No one around me seems to get it, except for my folks.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>my comment was not a judgment.  i just offered my personal assessment of PAXIL.  it helped me too, but i am at the point of receiving diminishing returns.  after all, it has been four years.</p>
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