hey

zed

Oh well I did it in the last one (g)

“Shooter WAS speakin’ to Scooter…” :O)

Jane, you’re gettin’ mighty rowdy now.

Love it! :o) :o) :o) :o)

maybe he could only utter 16 words

I guess we’re going to start call the preznut Charlie McCarthy now.

My blood pressure spikes every time I see a picture of Deadeye.
I absolutely loath him.

I submit that Dick Cheney and George bush still in office is proof positive that there is no God.

At least, not a just or loving one.

Jane writes:

But that seems just like the kind of neocon hairsplitting that launched us into full-scale war. It certainly qualifies as GOP logic.

Depends on what the meaning of “is” is…

ccmask @ 6

I guess we’re going to start call the preznut Charlie McCarthy now.

Awww! Don’t make poor Charlie feel bad.

W.C. Fields: “Well, Charlie McCarthy, the woodpecker’s pinup boy.”

Jane, your posts are filled with lots of moxie today and I certainly hope that’s how you are feeling…

semi-OT. If you missed the start of Sen Dodd’s visit, the replay is up and operational…

well this is interesting indeed

we find out that our very own vice president has lied to us?

this is too hard to beleive

yet we do like to point them out don’t we…it’s just so easy do.

simply record something cheney says, do a search on the google and there it is, why, he’s lied yet again.

the two are synonomous..cheney speaks, cheney lies…interchangeable

Jane, another excellent post!!! So when will Fitz be able to assert the ‘Go to Jail’, do not collect $200, to Reggie?

I find it amazing that the vice president of The United States of America is the type of man who is incapable of telling the truth.

Pick a subject. Any subject, important, trivial, nonsensical, it doesn’t matter….the man lies…..pathologically

Jane argue’s I can’t beleive my eye’s Lordy Lordy Whats this world comeing to!! Go Lady

solai @ 16

I find it amazing that the vice president of The United States of America is the type of man who is incapable of telling the truth.

Pick a subject. Any subject, important, trivial, nonsensical, it doesn’t matter….the man lies…..pathologically

IANA psychiatrist or psychologist by any stretch, but I think the pathological is correct. Don’t know the technical term but there are those who have a need to lie even when it’s not necessary.

here’s what we can do guys

we can create a new word, like we created “the freidman unit”

every lie we can call a dick cheney tale

bing…now THAT’S marketing for you

who’s with me on that?

perris @ 19

here’s what we can do guys

we can create a new word, like we created “the freidman unit”

every lie we can call a dick cheney tale

bing…now THAT’S marketing for you

who’s with me on that?

A cheney point?

Thank you, Jane, for another great post! Hope you are doing well.

And I agree with you about Fitzgerald.

No way he sits back indifferently and silently while Irving asks to be able to enjoy life fully on the outside while waiting for his illogical appeal attempt to work its way through the system.

Jane, I’m with you on Fitz asking Walton to send Scooter right to jail. I’m really curious about the letters of support that Jeffress is asking be kept under seal and not released. If, as is said, some of these are coming from current administration folks, I could easily see them backfiring on Libby, energizing Fitz, and getting Walton ticked off.

If you are awaiting sentencing, the one thing you don’t want is a ticked-off judge.

perris @ 19

here’s what we can do guys

we can create a new word, like we created “the freidman unit”

every lie we can call a dick cheney tale

bing…now THAT’S marketing for you

who’s with me on that?

We won’t get it confused with ‘cheney yourself’ will we?

Cheney’s a lying incompetent. Everything he’s touched has turned to shit. The decisions he made as SecDef to shrink and then privatize the armed services in the Bush One presidency left us critically unable to fully respond to the terrorism of the nineties. His purchase, while leading Halliburton, of OldBarBush’s family company, asbestos-lawsuit laden Dresser Industries, would have bankrupted Halliburton had they not immediately had the current cash flow from his Iraq War, and the opportunity to spinoff KBR.

The war and the occupation themselves, longtime dreams of Cheney, are, well — we know what they are. For more on Cheney, read here.

dakine01 @ 20

perris @ 19

here’s what we can do guys

we can create a new word, like we created “the freidman unit”

every lie we can call a dick cheney tale

bing…now THAT’S marketing for you

who’s with me on that?

A cheney point?

A “last throe.”

perris @ 19

here’s what we can do guys

we can create a new word, like we created “the freidman unit”

every lie we can call a dick cheney tale

bing…now THAT’S marketing for you

who’s with me on that?

So when my spouse drags his beer-fumed butt home at midnight and tells me he got off the golfcourse soooo late I should just say,

“Quit Cheneying me and call your lawyer.”

And when my son, wearing traces of chocolate around his mouth, says he didn’t eat my Mother’s Day Godiva treats, I might ask,

“Stop Cheneying right now, you’re grounded!”

perris @ 14

well this is interesting indeed

we find out that our very own vice president has lied to us?

this is too hard to beleive

I am shocked, shocked!

this joint is on fire, literally,
today — been off-the-grid, for
clients, all day today — GREAT
work here! love this one; loved
the letter re release of scooter-
support-letters. . .

i will go see what PACER turns up,
now that i am free, later tonight. . .

c o o l!

earlier (much), today — i offered
some of the false predictions mister
shooter made, three years ago, tomorrow,
re the patriot act. . . and iraq. . .

btw, didja’ guys notice that, in
halo 3, when one “pwned” 10 opponents
in a row — but ONLY if with a shotgun,
mind you — one would (for a time in mid-
may 2007 — now “de-bugged“) receive
a “CHENEYMANIA” medal/badge/award?!?!?!?

k e w l. . .

all this makes me feel
“sorta’ sullied and unusual. . .”
but, in a good way. . .

scooter listening to shooter
isn’t shooter talking to scooter. . .

w i l d.

just wild.

I do believe Fitz. has it in him to “sit idly by.” He’s demonstrated he has a talent for sticking to his own jurisdiction. Unless he’s specifically asked by the judge to weigh-in on Libby remaining free pending appeal, he won’t go there. He’s Mr. Detachment.

perris @ 19

here’s what we can do guys

we can create a new word, like we created “the freidman unit”

every lie we can call a dick cheney tale

bing…now THAT’S marketing for you

who’s with me on that?

I am, anyone that mar ket this guy out of office is OK by me.

lina @ 29

I do believe Fitz. has it in him to “sit idly by.” He’s demonstrated he has a talent for sticking to his own jurisdiction. Unless he’s specifically asked by the judge to weigh-in on Libby remaining free pending appeal, he won’t go there. He’s Mr. Detachment.

I believe that if a defendant asks to remain free pending appeal, the very first thing the judge usually does is to ask the prosecution for its opinion. With his well-deserved reputation for advance preparation, Fitz is probably weighing his response to that question very carefully.

We need an adjective for this sort of bull:

Bush Fears for Nation’s Soul

How does one describe this? And keep in mind that it must be a word that can be pronounced as one’s mouth hangs open in utter amazement.

Peterr @ 22

Jane, I’m with you on Fitz asking Walton to send Scooter right to jail. I’m really curious about the letters of support that Jeffress is asking be kept under seal and not released. If, as is said, some of these are coming from current administration folks, I could easily see them backfiring on Libby, energizing Fitz, and getting Walton ticked off.

If you are awaiting sentencing, the one thing you don’t want is a ticked-off judge.

I still think that Fred Thompson needs to explain why he supports a felon. If he wrote a letter he needs to release it now before he is court ordered to…

Okay so three weeks earlier Shooter was speaking to Scooter, maybe Scooter just couldn’t speak back.

Wasn’t there also a Cheney Christmas party that Scooter was spotted at? Rumor maybe

I’m inclined to agree with Marcy. I fear the closest anyone connected with the Administration will come to receiving their just desserts was the incident with the bird at the Bush presser.

Cozumel @ 34

Okay so three weeks earlier Shooter was speaking to Scooter, maybe Scooter just couldn’t speak back.

Wasn’t there also a Cheney Christmas party that Scooter was spotted at? Rumor maybe

So what exactly was in those visitor logs to Cheney’s residence, hmmmm??

edit: more to the point, what WAS NOT in those visitor logs?

Rayne @ 26

perris @ 19

here’s what we can do guys

we can create a new word, like we created “the freidman unit”

every lie we can call a dick cheney tale

bing…now THAT’S marketing for you

who’s with me on that?

So when my spouse drags his beer-fumed butt home at midnight and tells me he got off the golfcourse soooo late I should just say,

“Quit Cheneying me and call your lawyer.”

And when my son, wearing traces of chocolate around his mouth, says he didn’t eat my Mother’s Day Godiva treats, I might ask,

“Stop Cheneying right now, you’re grounded!”

one might confuse this with the other meaning of ‘cheney’.

Rayne @ 36

Cozumel @ 34

Okay so three weeks earlier Shooter was speaking to Scooter, maybe Scooter just couldn’t speak back.

Wasn’t there also a Cheney Christmas party that Scooter was spotted at? Rumor maybe

So what exactly was in those visitor logs to Cheney’s residence, hmmmm??

LOL BAAAAM!!! ; )

Has any recommendation been made as to the type of prison Libby will be sent to?

Rayne @ 36

Cozumel @ 34

Okay so three weeks earlier Shooter was speaking to Scooter, maybe Scooter just couldn’t speak back.

Wasn’t there also a Cheney Christmas party that Scooter was spotted at? Rumor maybe

So what exactly was in those visitor logs to Cheney’s residence, hmmmm??

edit: more to the point, what WAS NOT in those visitor logs?

Where’s the outrage!

solai @ 37

Rayne @ 26

So when my spouse drags his beer-fumed butt home at midnight and tells me he got off the golfcourse soooo late I should just say,

“Quit Cheneying me and call your lawyer.”

And when my son, wearing traces of chocolate around his mouth, says he didn’t eat my Mother’s Day Godiva treats, I might ask,

“Stop Cheneying right now, you’re grounded!”

one might confuse this with the other meaning of ‘cheney’.

Ah, but that’s what’s so perfect about it.

“Dude, you’ve been Cheneyed!!”

“She got you Cheneyed, man, been stepping out behind your back for months!”

“I’ll do the dishes, Mom, in a sec…[Not! Cheneyed that!]

JPL @ 33

Peterr @ 22

Jane, I’m with you on Fitz asking Walton to send Scooter right to jail. I’m really curious about the letters of support that Jeffress is asking be kept under seal and not released. If, as is said, some of these are coming from current administration folks, I could easily see them backfiring on Libby, energizing Fitz, and getting Walton ticked off.

If you are awaiting sentencing, the one thing you don’t want is a ticked-off judge.

I still think that Fred Thompson needs to explain why he supports a felon. If he wrote a letter he needs to release it now before he is court ordered to…

Could be a nice question to ask the Senator if/when he becomes a presidential candidate. Heard on the radio while running errands that he’s formed his exploratory committee.

“Senator, as one who is well known for being a strong law-and-order supporter, how is it that you could endorse a pardon or even leniency for a high-ranking federal official convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice? Will perjurers get a pass from the DOJ under a President Thompson?”

I should acknowledge that I share that h/t with ’sabra’ at Democratic Underground, whose linked comment there is where I happened to spot that NYPost blurb in April. Something made me tuck it away until now – as the June 5th day of reckoning draws nigh…

perris @ 19

here’s what we can do guys

we can create a new word, like we created “the freidman unit”

every lie we can call a dick cheney tale

bing…now THAT’S marketing for you

who’s with me on that?

I think we should call it the “Cheney Certification” – CC – and if something is CC’d, then it is absolutely, unmistakably, undeniably, balls-out wrong.

“Bush fears for nation’s soul” has got to one of the top ten creepiest, most terrifying things he’s said in his long, long nefarious career.

If Gitmo is good enough for “terrorists” before arrest, conviction, sentencing, appeal or even identification, then a federal prison should be more than enough for scooter.

I haven’t spoken to Cheney lately either. He’s on my no fly list anyway.

solai @ 39

Has any recommendation been made as to the type of prison Libby will be sent to?

have’t heard any. ME?, I’d recommend a room next to Padilla

fixing ital.

that is all.

Elliott @ 48

solai @ 39

Has any recommendation been made as to the type of prison Libby will be sent to?

have’t heard any. ME?, I’d recommend a room next to Padilla

Sounds good.

Anent the allegedly skimpy comms between VPOTUS and I”S”LJr — If U didn’t see it when I posted it — ‘WAY back before the latter’s (for the nonce) conviction as an Official Felon — maybe check out my http://tinyurl.com/yvu7pa … (give it time to load, that was a big string) :)

I took as a starting point Wolverine’s preceding excellent start in that far-away thread called “The Wrath Of Big Patrick Fitzgerald” (from Gordon Lightfoot’s original lyric of “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald” (which is itself visible on the web over at http://tinyurl.com/nhqh5 )).

Even then, it was quite clear that VPOTUS was going to cut I”S”LJr away to sink, like so much anonymous seaweed, from underneath his ponderous keel…

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Nuts, where’s darkblack?

Need a little morph of this pic of Big Fat Liar…capice?

Rayne @ 41

solai @ 37

one might confuse this with the other meaning of ‘cheney’.

Ah, but that’s what’s so perfect about it.

“Dude, you’ve been Cheneyed!!”

“She got you Cheneyed, man, been stepping out behind your back for months!”

“I’ll do the dishes, Mom, in a sec…[Not! Cheneyed that!]

I say Cheney Cheney!

Emptywheel and I were arguing as to whether Patrick Fitzgerald will make the case that Libby ought to go directly to jail rather than stay out on bail pending appeal. Marcy thinks that Fitz won’t take a position and I don’t agree.

So, JH, I know why I think so, but what was EW’s reasoning behind her saying Fitzgerald won’t take a position?

ironranger @ 45

“Bush fears for nation’s soul” has got to one of the top ten creepiest, most terrifying things he’s said in his long, long nefarious career.

amen

Frankly, if he had one, I’d fear for his.

MEG @ 47

I haven’t spoken to Cheney lately either. He’s on my no fly list anyway.

LOL!

I keep thinking of the scene from Turow’s ‘Presumed Innocent’ where a meek accountant-like guy was sent to a tough prison to persuade him to talk. He was way out of his element and was beaten and sodomized. Not that I wish that on anyone, but, if Libby’s sent to a ‘white collar’ prison, then double the sentence.

Well, I don’t really consider speaking in front of an audience with Scooter in it having a conversation. Cheney could have mentioned the speech Scooter with scoots in the audience if he wanted to be perfectly honest, but I think calling Cheney a “liar” for the speech is overstating it. We’ve got enough on Cheney that this “lie” is just about the least bad thing the man has done.

Fitz “There is a cloud over the vice president . . . And that cloud remains because this defendant obstructed justice. There is a cloud over the White House. Don’t you think the FBI and the grand jury and the American people are entitled to straight answers?”

Darn tootin the F.B.I., the grand jury and the American people deserve straight answers. Whether we ever get any is still a question!

Dark Clouds over Cheney
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10569

TexBetsy @ 50

Elliott @ 48

have’t heard any. ME?, I’d recommend a room next to Padilla

Sounds good.

hey Hi! How are you feeling this fine day?

PBS NewsHour/ Gwen Ifill interviews Al Gore on his book, about 6:36 into the hour.

My question is this: if Libby has information he has not yet come forward with, which might result in an impact on an appeal (or sentence modification perhaps) would he be more likely, less likely, or whatever, to see it in his interests to be more candid and come forward while sitting in a jail cell or out on the streets?

solai @ 32

We need an adjective for this sort of bull:

Bush Fears for Nation’s Soul

How does one describe this? And keep in mind that it must be a word that can be pronounced as one’s mouth hangs open in utter amazement.

I saw that at Froomkin and I think he got taken on this one. Bush is really, really interested in immigration, right. That’s why he waited until the seventh year of his Presidency and a JAR of 28% to do anything about it.

Doing well, Elliott. Thanks for asking. Done with my 3rd set of injections and I have a bunch of scans on Friday to determine where they attack next.

But I seem to be doing pretty well.

The fact that Cheney still links 9/11 with Iraq demonstrates how serious this guy is about the regime change agenda in the middle east. With Addington and Elliot Abrams at his side the storm keeps expanding.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..002145.php

Looking at Gore on the NewsHour, thanks to Scarecrow, and Olbermann last night, leaves the impression that Mr. Gore is preparing to make a move.

Elliott: The only reason to listen to bush is to find out what horrendous thing he (or should I say cheney) might be up to next. The orwellian opposite strategy.

TexBetsy @ 64

Doing well, Elliott. Thanks for asking. Done with my 3rd set of injections and I have a bunch of scans on Friday to determine where they attack next.

But I seem to be doing pretty well.

Prayers?

OT F*cker Carlson is trying to bait Pat Buchanan into supporting Podheretz’s call to bomb Iran. Pat’s slapping him down.

Kathleen @ 68

TexBetsy @ 64

Doing well, Elliott. Thanks for asking. Done with my 3rd set of injections and I have a bunch of scans on Friday to determine where they attack next.

But I seem to be doing pretty well.

Prayers?

Please! (and yes, we are praying)

Is that NY Post link correct?

OT — kind of…

Thai Rak Thai party dissolved and ex-prime minister banned from politics for election fraud.

Jeepers. Would never happen here, but wow, what a daydream to think that could happen to the RNC if they get busted on RICO for caging and worse…

According to ATRIOS Gore’s book will debut at #1 on the NYT non-fiction bestseller list

So when my spouse drags his beer-fumed butt home at midnight

Rayne, you’ve got a way with words. :)

Lou Dobbs is going bonkers right now because of the NYT article that pointed out his racism. He calls it a scurrilous personal attack or something like that.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 62

My question is this: if Libby has information he has not yet come forward with, which might result in an impact on an appeal (or sentence modification perhaps) would he be more likely, less likely, or whatever, to see it in his interests to be more candid and come forward while sitting in a jail cell or out on the streets?

Is there any hope that he might flip? Even with the harshest of penalties, do you think that’s a possibility? Personally, I’ve been praying for that but with all the support he’s been given, I don’t see it happening.
I don’t think his supporters give a damn about Libby personally. It’s the machine that they’re protecting.

Peterr @ 31

lina @ 29

I do believe Fitz. has it in him to “sit idly by.” He’s demonstrated he has a talent for sticking to his own jurisdiction. Unless he’s specifically asked by the judge to weigh-in on Libby remaining free pending appeal, he won’t go there. He’s Mr. Detachment.

I believe that if a defendant asks to remain free pending appeal, the very first thing the judge usually does is to ask the prosecution for its opinion. With his well-deserved reputation for advance preparation, Fitz is probably weighing his response to that question very carefully.

Jane’s right about one thing though, if Scooter is not remanded pending appeal, he will never see the inside of a prison cell.

Martha Stewart was given the option of remaining out on bail pending appeal, but she did not have an pressure being applied on the President to pardon or commute her sentence.

Even so, there was a great deal of outcry at the time that MArtha was being treated better than other defendants because she is in a privledged class.

She solved that problem for everyone by voluntarily beginning to serve her time.

Allowing Libby to remain out on bail during pending appeal makes a mockery of te court system, the sacrifices made by covert agents who work for this nation, and of every single statemetn PatFitz ever made about why this prosecution was meaningful.

If he sits by and allows Walton to continue bail without offering a peep of protest, he will completely undercut his own work thus far.

I doubt he is so foolish.

However, I don’t know that Walton wil necessarily force him to take a position. I think the pre-sentence manipulations may have backfired on Team Libby.

I think walton’s whole “let’s rebrief this and tell me why I shouldn’t release the letters Prior to sentecing” after denying their motion to suppress the letters, tells me he is pissed and only making sure he does not step into a trap and create an error.

That’s why everyone gets to brief again.

Walton is bulletproofing himself.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Cheney came up with some absurd reading of the Constitution granting him the authority to pardon Libby himself.

Tithonia @ 74

So when my spouse drags his beer-fumed butt home at midnight

Rayne, you’ve got a way with words. :)

You can imagine what the occasionally beer-fumigated golfer says about my, um, talents…heh.

Kathleen @ 65

The fact that Cheney still links 9/11 with Iraq demonstrates how serious this guy is about the regime change agenda in the middle east. With Addington and Elliot Abrams at his side the storm keeps expanding.

http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..002145.php

From item 171 on Dick Cheney from my scandals list:

Cheney understands that sometimes lies must be used to serve a higher truth and that even after being exposed they still have power, hence the repetition of even the most thoroughly debunked assertions, like the connection between Saddam and al Qaeda.

Cheney’s interest is not in the truth but in getting a particular message across. If a lie will do to do that, . . .

solai @ 39

Has any recommendation been made as to the type of prison Libby will be sent to?

That is decided by the Bureau of Prisons. The Judge doesn’t get to pick.

dakine01 @ 69

OT F*cker Carlson is trying to bait Pat Buchanan into supporting Podheretz’s call to bomb Iran. Pat’s slapping him down.

I knew I was in trouble four years ago when I found myself thinking Pat Buchanan was standing in the middle….thats how far to the right “wrong” our nation is still swinging.

Podheretz is a terroist!

Another thing Bush said today was that those that don’t agree w/ his immigration policy are not doing what’s best for America (paraphrased).
So, now he’s calling his base traitors. Wonder how they like it.

looseheadprop @ 81

solai @ 39

Has any recommendation been made as to the type of prison Libby will be sent to?

That is decided by the Bureau of Prisons. The Judge doesn’t get to pick.

Isn’t the Bureau of Prisons a part of DOJ?

RUT ROH

looseheadprop @ 81

solai @ 39

Has any recommendation been made as to the type of prison Libby will be sent to?

That is decided by the Bureau of Prisons. The Judge doesn’t get to pick.

I hear Leavenworth is nice this time of year.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 62

My question is this: if Libby has information he has not yet come forward with, which might result in an impact on an appeal (or sentence modification perhaps) would he be more likely, less likely, or whatever, to see it in his interests to be more candid and come forward while sitting in a jail cell or out on the streets?

Oh in jail. If he is free, what’s his incentive?

perris @ 19

here’s what we can do guys

we can create a new word, like we created “the freidman unit”

every lie we can call a dick cheney tale

bing…now THAT’S marketing for you

who’s with me on that?

Crappy Obfuscating Cheney Kickers

Rayne @ 36

Cozumel @ 34

Okay so three weeks earlier Shooter was speaking to Scooter, maybe Scooter just couldn’t speak back.

Wasn’t there also a Cheney Christmas party that Scooter was spotted at? Rumor maybe

So what exactly was in those visitor logs to Cheney’s residence, hmmmm??

edit: more to the point, what WAS NOT in those visitor logs?

So where’s the legislation fixing this nonsense? These people potentially have another 19 months in office.

itwasntme @ 58

Well, I don’t really consider speaking in front of an audience with Scooter in it having a conversation. Cheney could have mentioned the speech Scooter with scoots in the audience if he wanted to be perfectly honest, but I think calling Cheney a “liar” for the speech is overstating it. We’ve got enough on Cheney that this “lie” is just about the least bad thing the man has done.

Well, to say “there hadn’t been occasion to speak with Scooter” really leaves one with the impression that they had not been in a room together lately. And do you really think that BigTime and Scooter didn’t have a little chat before or after the speech? These events are usually accompanied by a VIP reception, to which both could be presumed to be invited.

It ain’t Shooter’s biggest lie, no, but it’s a lie. Of course, Bob “my brother’s a Dubya Ambassador” Scheiffer is unlikely to call Shooter on it, though.

dakine01 @ 69

OT F*cker Carlson is trying to bait Pat Buchanan into supporting Podheretz’s call to bomb Iran. Pat’s slapping him down.

Tucker and Buchanan. The battle of the titans.

Hugh @ 85

looseheadprop @ 81

That is decided by the Bureau of Prisons. The Judge doesn’t get to pick.

I hear Leavenworth is nice this time of year.

That has a nice ring to it.

You can now watch the Dodd vlog video.

Pretty cool.

Elliott @ 56

MEG @ 47

I haven’t spoken to Cheney lately either. He’s on my no fly list anyway.

LOL!

mine: oaf lie list.

Loo Hoo. @ 88

Rayne @ 36

So what exactly was in those visitor logs to Cheney’s residence, hmmmm??

edit: more to the point, what WAS NOT in those visitor logs?

So where’s the legislation fixing this nonsense? These people potentially have another 19 months in office.

Like they’d respect a law that might get them in trouble. Not this crowd.

solai @ 32

We need an adjective for this sort of bull:

Bush Fears for Nation’s Soul

How does one describe this? And keep in mind that it must be a word that can be pronounced as one’s mouth hangs open in utter amazement.

What the (mouth hangs open) F?

Cheneyism: definition, at least there’s no blue dress involved.

A US Presidential pardon would have no standing in a future war crimes trial at The Hague. Something to keep in mind.

itwasntme @ 58 – Part of the backstory here is that the Hudson Institute is a neocon incubator establishment that employs Scooter Libby (and has ever since he “resigned” from the OVP upon indictment). And the cozy environs of this meeting of HI members who invited Libby’s former boss to speak to them was evidently a collegial club setting. The likelihood of Libby and Cheney somehow managing to completely avoid speaking to each other in that informal environment and at such close quarters seems slim to none to me.

So where’s the legislation fixing this nonsense? These people potentially have another 19 months in office.

I think this already violates a law. The same one they violated by using the alternate email address.

Loo Hoo. @ 88

So where’s the legislation fixing this nonsense? These people potentially have another 19 months in office.

I have just one thing to say to that, Loo Hoo
PELOSI 2007

lhp, I thought something was afoot in the re-brief as well. Did Walton mistakenly ask for, or did he get, only opinions about releasing the letters after? And now he needs to go back and cover releasing them prior to sentencing? Or is he just pissed off at Irve’s team, being late and all?

It seemed weird to me to get opinions, and then ask for a re-brief on the narrow subject of prior.

Sorry folks — Leavenworth is a military prison.

But there’s a cell down in Alabama (IIRC) where Attorney General John Mitchell spent some time back in the 1970s. I don’t know if it’s occupied right now, but I’m sure for someone of Libby’s stature, the warden could find the current occupant a new cell and get it spruced up for Irving.

Kathleen @ 82

dakine01 @ 69

OT F*cker Carlson is trying to bait Pat Buchanan into supporting Podheretz’s call to bomb Iran. Pat’s slapping him down.

I knew I was in trouble four years ago when I found myself thinking Pat Buchanan was standing in the middle….thats how far to the right “wrong” our nation is still swinging.

Podheretz is a terroist!

Buchanan’s an isolationist all the way. He was adamantly against the invasion of Iraq and is reacting the same way about Iran…Other than that he’s also still a wing-nut apologist.

TeddySanFran @ 90

dakine01 @ 69

OT F*cker Carlson is trying to bait Pat Buchanan into supporting Podheretz’s call to bomb Iran. Pat’s slapping him down.

Tucker and Buchanan. The battle of the titans.

corrected your typo
Tucker and Buchanan. The battle of the titans pissants.

On Hardball they’re talking about the TB guy being allowed to fly (as opposed to being on a no-fly list).
Another failure by Homeland Security and another example of the repubs failing to keep us safe.

It certainly qualifies as GOP logic.

Pretzel logic…

Jane Hamsher @ 92

You can now watch the Dodd vlog video.

Pretty cool.

thank you, Sweet Baby Jane!

solai @ 105

On Hardball they’re talking about the TB guy being allowed to fly (as opposed to being on a no-fly list).
Another failure by Homeland Security and another example of the repubs failing to keep us safe.

Y’know, he apparently wasn’t told not to fly, and it was for his wedding and honeymoon. I’m not wild about letting Julie Gerberding lock people up, too. Just sayin’

The repubs only use government for 2 things:
-increase their wealth
-increase their power
That’s it. I can’t think of one thing done in the last 6 years that didn’t have one of these stated results.

punaise @ 93

Elliott @ 56

LOL!

mine: oaf lie list.

Man, that would be a very long list.

pow wow @ 98

itwasntme @ 58 – Part of the backstory here is that the Hudson Institute is a neocon incubator establishment that employs Scooter Libby (and has ever since he “resigned” from the OVP upon indictment). And the cozy environs of this meeting of HI members who invited Libby’s former boss to speak to them was evidently a collegial club setting. The likelihood of Libby and Cheney somehow managing to completely avoid speaking to each other in that informal environment and at such close quarters seems slim to none to me.

If either Scooter or Shotter thought there was some impropriety in being seen together Scooter could have skipped the talk or Cheney’s office could have simply informed the Hudson Institute of a potential appearance of something untoward and the Institute could have warned Scooter off. None of this happened so I agree that the idea that they just blew kisses to each other but didn’t talk is typical Republican BS.

Now Heckuva job Brownie is on Hardball.

Tweety told Brownie that it was great to have him back.

Peterr @ 102

Sorry folks — Leavenworth is a military prison.

But there’s a cell down in Alabama (IIRC) where Attorney General John Mitchell spent some time back in the 1970s. I don’t know if it’s occupied right now, but I’m sure for someone of Libby’s stature, the warden could find the current occupant a new cell and get it spruced up for Irving.

I wiki’ed Leavenworth.

It is the site of a large federal prison and several smaller prisons, including the military’s primary prison, the United States Disciplinary Barracks.

Alice @ 97

A US Presidential pardon would have no standing in a future war crimes trial at The Hague. Something to keep in mind.

Ahhh. Fresh air!

Alice @ 97

A US Presidential pardon would have no standing in a future war crimes trial at The Hague. Something to keep in mind.

I wonder if Dubai has any Extradition obligations to the International Court??? Considering it would have to be the safest place for him in ‘09 and he would naturally follow his ‘National Allegiance’ Halliburton!!!

Peterr @ 102

Sorry folks — Leavenworth is a military prison.

But there’s a cell down in Alabama (IIRC) where Attorney General John Mitchell spent some time back in the 1970s. I don’t know if it’s occupied right now, but I’m sure for someone of Libby’s stature, the warden could find the current occupant a new cell and get it spruced up for Irving.

Or maybe he could bunk with Cunningham.

Loo Hoo. @ 115

Alice @ 97

A US Presidential pardon would have no standing in a future war crimes trial at The Hague. Something to keep in mind.

Ahhh. Fresh air!

The US is not a signatory to treaty creating the International Criminal Court so its citizens are not subject to it. Scooter scoots.

Loo Hoo. @ 117

Peterr @ 102

Sorry folks — Leavenworth is a military prison.

But there’s a cell down in Alabama (IIRC) where Attorney General John Mitchell spent some time back in the 1970s. I don’t know if it’s occupied right now, but I’m sure for someone of Libby’s stature, the warden could find the current occupant a new cell and get it spruced up for Irving.

Or maybe he could bunk with Cunningham.

Rather see him with Bubba and Joe Druggie.

OT from TalkLeft, Libby team response for release of letters. I hadn’t seen it here earlier (or missed it if already posted).

When is the CBC/FoxNews debate that everyone is backing out of? Still in are Biden, Kucinich and Gravel. I’m with Kos, that debate should be great. I’d like it even better if Biden backed out. Kucinich and Gravel vs FoxNews would be very entertaining.

Hugh @ 118

Loo Hoo. @ 115

Ahhh. Fresh air!

The US is not a signatory to treaty creating the International Criminal Court so its citizens are not subject to it. Scooter scoots.

NO! say it ain’t so!

Just wandered in; so have not read through the other comments yet; but, Fitzgerald does not necessarily have to argue the point. There is a pretty strong presumption that the defendant should be remanded to custody after sentencing and during pendency of the appeal. Basically, the trial judge needs to be convinced that the defendant has good appeal grounds and has a good chance of being successful. I find it hard to believe that Walton believes this in light of the meticulous way he handled touch issues throughout the case.

All of these guys are going to get what Andrew Card got. Booed in public.

I’ll be surprised if Fitz doesn’t take the position that Libby should go to jail now. Just my gut. But hey, why not? Take that position and let Walton make the call.

in re: Libby letter release response: IANAL, but it looks like the Libby team is hanging every thing on “private citizens” writing letters in support of Libby without disclosing that these same “private citizens” are also likely to be public officials.

Or I may be an idiot.

dakine01 @ 126

in re: Libby letter release response: IANAL, but it looks like the Libby team is hanging every thing on “private citizens” writing letters in support of Libby without disclosing that these same “private citizens” are also likely to be public officials.

Or I may be an idiot.

Is (c) ALL OF THE ABOVE an option? LOL

ccmask @ 124

All of these guys are going to get what Andrew Card got. Booed in public.

that’s worth something. How often will the Card family play the happy video where he receives his honorary degree?

ccmask @ 124

All of these guys are going to get what Andrew Card got. Booed in public.

Hopefully the Avenging Sparrow will shit on them all too.

-GSD

Elliott @ 128

ccmask @ 124

All of these guys are going to get what Andrew Card got. Booed in public.

that’s worth something. How often will the Card family play the happy video where he receives his honorary degree?

They need to have bigger consequences than that.

Whats amazing about Cheney’s lying is he’s been called on it repeatedly and just blusters his way through.
Nobody seems to have the guts to cut him off and call him a liar to his face.
I’d PAY to see that just once.

Gitmo- send the fucker to Gitmo.

Sorry I missed the Dodd vlog in real time (will catch up).

But Huffpo just posted that Dodd and Richardson have also pulled out of FOX debate.

At this rate Fox News in danger of becoming marginalized. Bye-bye Faux news.

late to the party, but still going to post:
just heard on air america, someone spewing MY
talking point: that cheney is being wound down.
(cia asked to destroy log at vp res., the cute i-am-my-own grandpa photos, etc.) cheney will leave before sept. of medical issues, jeb will take over the vp for the good of the country(!) and then be asked to run for pres.

This guy is out of his mind.

AP – President Bush envisions a long-term U.S. troop presence in Iraq similar to the one in South Korea where American forces have helped keep an uneasy peace for more than 50 years, the White House said Wednesday.

TexBetsy @ 127

dakine01 @ 126

in re: Libby letter release response: IANAL, but it looks like the Libby team is hanging every thing on “private citizens” writing letters in support of Libby without disclosing that these same “private citizens” are also likely to be public officials.

Or I may be an idiot.

Is (c) ALL OF THE ABOVE an option? LOL

Of course! ;})

Where do we get a 300 pound sparrow?

ccmask @ 124

All of these guys are going to get what Andrew Card got. Booed in public.

By the time we leave Iraq (some say fight our way out) the neocons will be so hated that they will have to hide. Especially members of this administration. Remember the idea (less than a year ago) that Condi should run for pres.? That’s not looking to good anymore.

solai @ 109

The repubs only use government for 2 things:
-increase their wealth
-increase their power
That’s it. I can’t think of one thing done in the last 6 years that didn’t have one of these stated results.

How right you are. Unfortunately when you have rush or boortz preaching on talk radio most people in the south don’t get it..

dakine01 @ 120

OT from TalkLeft, Libby team response for release of letters. I hadn’t seen it here earlier (or missed it if already posted).

And here is an Amicus Brief we filed on behalf of all bloggers in direct response to the Libby mockery of bloggers and attempt at secrecy you linked to. http://proctoringcongress.blogspot.com/

stagemom @ 134

late to the party, but still going to post:
just heard on air america, someone spewing MY
talking point: that cheney is being wound down.
(cia asked to destroy log at vp res., the cute i-am-my-own grandpa photos, etc.) cheney will leave before sept. of medical issues, jeb will take over the vp for the good of the country(!) and then be asked to run for pres.

That little scenario gives me nightmares.

Did someone mention “Fresh Air”?

TexBetsy @ 130

Elliott @ 128

that’s worth something. How often will the Card family play the happy video where he receives his honorary degree?

They need to have bigger consequences than that.

you mean like Leavenworth?

TexBetsy @ 122

NO! say it ain’t so!

From wiki:

However, a number of states, including China, India and the United States, are critical of the Court and have not joined.

The Court can generally only exercise jurisdiction in cases where the accused is a national of a state party [to the treaty], the alleged crime took place on the territory of a state party, or a situation is referred to the Court by the United Nations Security Council.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 135

This guy is out of his mind.

AP – President Bush envisions a long-term U.S. troop presence in Iraq similar to the one in South Korea where American forces have helped keep an uneasy peace for more than 50 years, the White House said Wednesday.

Huh? I thought he envisioned out in three months, flowers, candy, and Iraqi oil paying for the whole mother.

OT, but I can’t help but notice how the MSM is falling in love with Fred Thompson. News readers and pundits seem to be running around with woodies for another Republican actor. McLuhan said the “medium is the message”, I say “the media is the problem”

Bustednuckles @ 131

Whats amazing about Cheney’s lying is he’s been called on it repeatedly and just blusters his way through.
Nobody seems to have the guts to cut him off and call him a liar to his face.
I’d PAY to see that just once.

I really wish Cheney had gotten to testify at Scooter’s trial. Oh, well, I still can dream about it.

Never fear- Jebby wouldn’t pull 35% of the population next year. His big brother fucked up the White House-and no Bushes will be allowed.

Bush for VP would be the best thing that could possibly happen.Couldn’t possibly get that lucky.

rwcole @ 137

Where do we get a 300 pound sparrow?

Or how do we teach pigs to fly?

Peterr @ 147

Bustednuckles @ 131

Whats amazing about Cheney’s lying is he’s been called on it repeatedly and just blusters his way through.
Nobody seems to have the guts to cut him off and call him a liar to his face.
I’d PAY to see that just once.

I really wish Cheney had gotten to testify at Scooter’s trial. Oh, well, I still can dream about it.

Maybe Timmy Boy will call Cheney out on his, oh he’s Cheney’s go to guy, nevermind.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 135

This guy is out of his mind.

AP – President Bush envisions a long-term U.S. troop presence in Iraq similar to the one in South Korea where American forces have helped keep an uneasy peace for more than 50 years, the White House said Wednesday.

I can’t imagine this moronic quote will be used in the next Al Qaeda video about the US’s desire for a permanant occupation if Iraq.

Talk about getting US troops killed.

-GSD

P.S. The Bush plan of supporting the US troops in the field now involves sending amputees back into battle.

FRobert Barbare @ 133

But Huffpo just posted that Dodd and Richardson have also pulled out of FOX debate.

At this rate Fox News in danger of becoming marginalized. Bye-bye Faux news.

Faux should sponsor a pool next time they want to do a debate–last candidate to pull out wins a million dollars. Sort of a reverse American Idol

Let’s see- how big was that pig the kid shot? 1200 pounds or so? Such a pig could take perhaps a 24 pound dump- now that would be a great spectacle- maybe for the fourth of July.

new thread…

rwcole @ 137

Where do we get a 300 pound sparrow?

A harmless little bunny ought to do the trick.

Fred Thompson…shut up and act.

-GSD

Rayne @ 36

Cozumel @ 34

Okay so three weeks earlier Shooter was speaking to Scooter, maybe Scooter just couldn’t speak back.

Wasn’t there also a Cheney Christmas party that Scooter was spotted at? Rumor maybe

So what exactly was in those visitor logs to Cheney’s residence, hmmmm??

edit: more to the point, what WAS NOT in those visitor logs?

darth’s wife’s name?

Kucinich to debate himself on Faux.

Elliott @ 128

ccmask @ 124

All of these guys are going to get what Andrew Card got. Booed in public.

that’s worth something. How often will the Card family play the happy video where he receives his honorary degree?

I don’t know about them but I watched it half a dozen times myself. And my friends at work.

bmaz @ 140

dakine01 @ 120

OT from TalkLeft, Libby team response for release of letters. I hadn’t seen it here earlier (or missed it if already posted).

And here is an Amicus Brief we filed on behalf of all bloggers in direct response to the Libby mockery of bloggers and attempt at secrecy you linked to. http://proctoringcongress.blogspot.com/

It still cracks me up that they actually whined about being mocked!

I think it is very unfair that the letters in defense of Libby should be kept secret. I find the argument weak that they might be mocked by bloggers. It’s not like it’s really our fault that they are so eminently mockable. I mean if they were serious, honest people instead of grasping ideologues whose sense of entitlement is only equaled by their overblown egos, there would be nothing to mock.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 135

This guy is out of his mind.

AP – President Bush envisions a long-term U.S. troop presence in Iraq similar to the one in South Korea where American forces have helped keep an uneasy peace for more than 50 years, the White House said Wednesday.

Having served a year in the Western Corridor, and thinking about a prolonged presence, if only to guard the largest Embassy, leaves me to wonder if a ‘75 Saigon evacuation of our embassy pic will arise!!! Similarly, an ‘79 Iranian hostage scenario that occurred right next door!!!

TexBetsy @ 141

stagemom @ 134

late to the party, but still going to post:
just heard on air america, someone spewing MY
talking point: that cheney is being wound down.
(cia asked to destroy log at vp res., the cute i-am-my-own grandpa photos, etc.) cheney will leave before sept. of medical issues, jeb will take over the vp for the good of the country(!) and then be asked to run for pres.

That little scenario gives me nightmares.

I thought there was some sort of automatic succession thingie when a VP steps down.

JPL @ 73

According to ATRIOS Gore’s book will debut at #1 on the NYT non-fiction bestseller list

Great news – I was happy to see they were selling well at our local Costco and bought a copy too. Only read four chapters so far but it is beautifully written and feisty declarative sentences.

ReElect President Al Gore in 2008!
Accept no substitutes.

Look, people can’t stand Bush and Jeb’s name NEVER even registers 1% in polling.

I think that scenario is as far from likely as anything imagineable.

The Bush name is toxic…toxic…..toxic and appointing his brother won’t win any more points for people who already think Bush acts like a king.

-GSD

JPL @ 139

solai @ 109

The repubs only use government for 2 things:
-increase their wealth
-increase their power
That’s it. I can’t think of one thing done in the last 6 years that didn’t have one of these stated results.

How right you are. Unfortunately when you have rush or boortz preaching on talk radio most people in the south don’t get it..

With the South, or Southern states so closely divided between Republican and Democrat, just where do you get that “most people in the south don’t get it”?

The south, for better or worse has for the most part, determined the outcomes of most presidential elections. It would be a very big mistake for any party to write off the South.

Consider me as one of those “most people” who DO get it. I also get your bias. It is not becoming.

dakine01 @ 126

in re: Libby letter release response: IANAL, but it looks like the Libby team is hanging every thing on “private citizens” writing letters in support of Libby without disclosing that these same “private citizens” are also likely to be public officials.

Or I may be an idiot.

LOL – you/we know you are not an idiot – but did you know that Bush is an idiotic idiot!

Hugh @ 161

I think it is very unfair that the letters in defense of Libby should be kept secret. I find the argument weak that they might be mocked by bloggers. It’s not like it’s really our fault that they are so eminently mockable. I mean if they were serious, honest people instead of grasping ideologues whose sense of entitlement is only equaled by their overblown egos, there would be nothing to mock.

Saying they’ll be “mocked” really makes one wonder what’s there, so ripe for mockery.

I resent regionalism. It’s just another “ism”. And I will take pains to fight against.

Is the sentencing hearing open to the public? If so, will Walton render a decision on the spot or take it under advisement?

TeddySanFran @ 168

Hugh @ 161

I think it is very unfair that the letters in defense of Libby should be kept secret. I find the argument weak that they might be mocked by bloggers. It’s not like it’s really our fault that they are so eminently mockable. I mean if they were serious, honest people instead of grasping ideologues whose sense of entitlement is only equaled by their overblown egos, there would be nothing to mock.

Saying they’ll be “mocked” really makes one wonder what’s there, so ripe for mockery.

And, as Elliott and others have pointed out, how perfectly baby-ish of them to fear mockery. Poor widdle things, somebody might point and laugh.

If everybody who had a reason to suspect that someone, somewhere might mock them for something, anything at all, were to keep their heads down, nobody would ever leave the house.

The founders are spinning in their graves at the announced cowardice of these folks — which of course is just a cover for another type of fear: fear of being found out. No wonder they don’t believe FDR’s “only thing to fear is fear itself.” They’re afraid of the sunshine which would reveal themselves to be the craven individuals they surely are.

Where Libby may be ‘housed’–
looseheadprop says Judge Walton does not decide-the Bureau of Prisons decides. The Bureau of Prisons falls under the Department of Justice. Wonderful. So, basically, Gonzales will decide where Libby goes, if he goes?

OT – just saw on Talking Points Memo that Tim Griffin, USA in Arkansas (and RoveMonkey) has resigned effective Friday. Wonder if he’s going to work for Fred Thompson.

go directly to jail. do not pass go. do not collect $200.

Mrs. K8 @ 21

Thank you, Jane, for another great post! Hope you are doing well.

And I agree with you about Fitzgerald.

No way he sits back indifferently and silently while Irving asks to be able to enjoy life fully on the outside while waiting for his illogical appeal attempt to work its way through the system.

{{{{{{{{{{{{{Mrs. K8! }}}}}}}}}}}}}
Missed you and missed you, hope you and Mr. K8 are well.

Hugh @ 118

Loo Hoo. @ 115

Ahhh. Fresh air!

The US is not a signatory to treaty creating the International Criminal Court so its citizens are not subject to it. Scooter scoots.

Sad here :(

Hugh, would this also apply to prosecutions in Germany and Belgium (or other nations) which – IIRC – allow prosecution in their national courts for war crimes/human rights crimes comitted anywhere on the planet?

(hopeful questioning face)

PS – just re-joining Lake…reading upthread. Apologies if already answered.

TiredFed @ 174

go directly to jail. do not pass go. do not collect $200.

Love it.

707, TiredFed.

“Pants on fire…”

OT ~ And it’s not even Friday: Rove-Protege Tim Griffin Resigns As U.S. Attorney

Hugh @ 85

looseheadprop @ 81

That is decided by the Bureau of Prisons. The Judge doesn’t get to pick.

I hear Leavenworth is nice this time of year.

ah. ten years in Leavenworth (or maybe 11 years in twelveworth). whatever.

Oklahoma kiddo @ 66

Looking at Gore on the NewsHour, thanks to Scarecrow, and Olbermann last night, leaves the impression that Mr. Gore is preparing to make a move.

Not too soon, Al, don’t waste energy.

Jane Hamsher @ 92

You can now watch the Dodd vlog video.

Pretty cool.

way cool Jane. left my comments at the end. very impressive.

HotFlash @ 181

Oklahoma kiddo @ 66

Looking at Gore on the NewsHour, thanks to Scarecrow, and Olbermann last night, leaves the impression that Mr. Gore is preparing to make a move.

Not too soon, Al, don’t waste energy.

sorry to say (I ascribe to the “accept no substitutes” crowd), but Al is selling his new book. he’s on the tour now.

stagemom @ 134

late to the party, but still going to post:
just heard on air america, someone spewing MY
talking point: that cheney is being wound down.
(cia asked to destroy log at vp res., the cute i-am-my-own grandpa photos, etc.) cheney will leave before sept. of medical issues, jeb will take over the vp for the good of the country(!) and then be asked to run for pres.

What the hey. I say not, $50 to FDL and a dinner (time/place to be determined)

kirk murphy @ 177

TiredFed @ 174

go directly to jail. do not pass go. do not collect $200.

Love it.

707, TiredFed.

I was “the bank.”

kirk murphy @ 176

Hugh, would this also apply to prosecutions in Germany and Belgium (or other nations) which – IIRC – allow prosecution in their national courts for war crimes/human rights crimes comitted anywhere on the planet?

It’s complicated. I was wrong to say that US citizens could not be tried before the ICC. It is just extremely unlikely. US nationals could come before the ICC at least in theory if they committed crimes in a country which is a signatory to the ICC. This has never happened and is unlikely to happen for two reasons.

The principal way the US has gotten around the ICC is by article 98 or bilateral agreements which stipulate that US nationals will not be referred to the ICC. The US has about 100 such agreements. Some, however, are restricted to US military personnel only and many are with non-signatory countries.

The second way the US has addressed this problem is through a different kind of diplomatic pressure. Because the political costs of such a prosecution vis a vis the US would be extremely high, countries such as Germany defer prosecutions to our legal system which will, in fact, choose not to make them.

Belgium, for its part, can assert universal jurisdiction but that is different from actually practising it. The principle is very controversial and so it is easier to squelch such prosecutions than face an angry US.

Hugh, thank you so much for your learned opinion.

Your willingness to share your professional skills (and billable hours :) with the Lake is a very generous gift.

Hope I’m not presumptious to puruse this question, but do Germany (or other nations) assert jurisdiction over extra-national human rights crimes?

I’m curious about mapping other nations’ jurisdictional assertions against overseas US military/NSA/spook assets.

If my query is off the mark, please feel free to ignore.

rwcole @ 158

Kucinich to debate himself on Faux.

With ‘I never met a camera I didn’t like’ Biden ; )

A little taste of how the Neocon Royalty pamper their Superior Intellects when ‘on location’ in NYC [Duck Liver Mousse on Water Crackers anyone?]:

The Club contains 60 bedrooms for members and guests, a variety of meeting rooms for business and social functions, and one of the most extensive club reference and lending libraries in New York City. The Union League is also home to a distinguished art collection and an art gallery with rotating exhibits. The fitness center features all the amenities of a first class sports club, including international squash courts.

The Club Today

The Union League is a social club providing its members and guests with a quiet sanctuary and relief from the hustle of the city. The dining rooms reflect a subdued elegance with a chef and wine cellar that compare favorably with any in the city or, members can drop by the grill for a light lunch or supper. Members gather cordially for social events, theatre evenings, wine tastings or just to meet friends for a convivial drink at the bar. An active speaker program includes Public Affairs forums which have hosted outstanding speakers on current events since the 1880’s as well as library events with notable authors.

http://www.unionleagueclub.org…..eid=205548

There needs to be the tie back to the “funders” to cut these people loose.

I say Fitz is an over-rated wus, and he will not take a position of go to jail NOW.

As I stated in Wilson? Yeah! Fitz? Feh!:

“Next time you hear someone sing the praises of Fitz, the special prosecutor remember he didn’t get the guys who ruined the career of the patriotic Mrs. Wilson, and he let the guilty guys wriggle off the hook.”

In Relevant Conduct and Scooter’s Sentence I offer my analysis to the effect that Scooter is looking at substantially more than Fitzgerald is asking for. Please check it out.

“… and tell ‘em Big Mitch sent ya!”

JH’s suppositions seem correct. Libby will never serve a day in jail (remain free on bond pending appeal) and will be pardoned during the appellate process. The pardon is simply a matter of timing as to when the pardon will least interfere with the goings on of the Bush administration.

Dear Jane, Let’s all take a vow not to be shocked for one month. At first, it will hurt like heck. Some of us may not be able to endure it. But as time goes on, it will get easier and easier and, by the end of the month a few of us may have kicked being shocked altogether. Don’t you think it’s at least worth a try? Yrs, Handel Glassberg, President, The Playdo Institute