CBS News, April 15, 2007:
Despite the conviction of his former chief of staff in a high-profile trial, Vice President Dick Cheney said today that he has not had an opportunity to speak to his friend, I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, the highest-ranking official of the Bush administration to be convicted of federal crimes.
Oh really? From the NY Post :
March 21, 2007 -- THAT Vice President Dick Cheney spoke to Hudson Institute members Monday at the Union League Club. Asked about a possible pardon for Scooter Libby, he smiled and said, "You can imagine how I feel about that." Libby himself was seated in the front row.
Okay so three weeks earlier Shooter was speaking to Scooter, maybe Scooter just couldn't speak back. But that seems just like the kind of neocon hairsplitting that launched us into full-scale war. It certainly qualifies as GOP logic.
Emptywheel and I were arguing as to whether Patrick Fitzgerald will make the case that Libby ought to go directly to jail rather than stay out on bail pending appeal. Marcy thinks that Fitz won't take a position and I don't agree. If Libby is allowed to stay out on bail Fitzgerald's case is over, he remains the impervious firewall who can probably count on an eventual pardon from a winking, nodding Cheney and his ventriloquist's dummy sitting in the White House. I say Fitzgerald does not have it in him to idly sit by and watch that happen. He may not have included a "go straight to jail" recommendation in his sentencing memorandum but I can't help but believe he'll find some pretext to bring it up in court.
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Oh well I did it in the last one (g)
“Shooter WAS speakin’ to Scooter…” :O)
Jane, you’re gettin’ mighty rowdy now.
Love it! :o) :o) :o) :o)
maybe he could only utter 16 words
I guess we’re going to start call the preznut Charlie McCarthy now.
My blood pressure spikes every time I see a picture of Deadeye.
I absolutely loath him.
I submit that Dick Cheney and George bush still in office is proof positive that there is no God.
At least, not a just or loving one.
Jane writes:
Depends on what the meaning of “is” is…
ccmask @ 6
Awww! Don’t make poor Charlie feel bad.
W.C. Fields: “Well, Charlie McCarthy, the woodpecker’s pinup boy.”
Jane, your posts are filled with lots of moxie today and I certainly hope that’s how you are feeling…
semi-OT. If you missed the start of Sen Dodd’s visit, the replay is up and operational…
well this is interesting indeed
we find out that our very own vice president has lied to us?
this is too hard to beleive
yet we do like to point them out don’t we…it’s just so easy do.
simply record something cheney says, do a search on the google and there it is, why, he’s lied yet again.
the two are synonomous..cheney speaks, cheney lies…interchangeable
Jane, another excellent post!!! So when will Fitz be able to assert the ‘Go to Jail’, do not collect $200, to Reggie?
I find it amazing that the vice president of The United States of America is the type of man who is incapable of telling the truth.
Pick a subject. Any subject, important, trivial, nonsensical, it doesn’t matter….the man lies…..pathologically
Jane argue’s I can’t beleive my eye’s Lordy Lordy Whats this world comeing to!! Go Lady
solai @ 16
IANA psychiatrist or psychologist by any stretch, but I think the pathological is correct. Don’t know the technical term but there are those who have a need to lie even when it’s not necessary.
here’s what we can do guys
we can create a new word, like we created “the freidman unit”
every lie we can call a dick cheney tale
bing…now THAT’S marketing for you
who’s with me on that?
perris @ 19
A cheney point?
Thank you, Jane, for another great post! Hope you are doing well.
And I agree with you about Fitzgerald.
No way he sits back indifferently and silently while Irving asks to be able to enjoy life fully on the outside while waiting for his illogical appeal attempt to work its way through the system.
Jane, I’m with you on Fitz asking Walton to send Scooter right to jail. I’m really curious about the letters of support that Jeffress is asking be kept under seal and not released. If, as is said, some of these are coming from current administration folks, I could easily see them backfiring on Libby, energizing Fitz, and getting Walton ticked off.
If you are awaiting sentencing, the one thing you don’t want is a ticked-off judge.
perris @ 19
We won’t get it confused with ‘cheney yourself’ will we?
Cheney’s a lying incompetent. Everything he’s touched has turned to shit. The decisions he made as SecDef to shrink and then privatize the armed services in the Bush One presidency left us critically unable to fully respond to the terrorism of the nineties. His purchase, while leading Halliburton, of OldBarBush’s family company, asbestos-lawsuit laden Dresser Industries, would have bankrupted Halliburton had they not immediately had the current cash flow from his Iraq War, and the opportunity to spinoff KBR.
The war and the occupation themselves, longtime dreams of Cheney, are, well — we know what they are. For more on Cheney, read here.
dakine01 @ 20
A “last throe.”
perris @ 19
So when my spouse drags his beer-fumed butt home at midnight and tells me he got off the golfcourse soooo late I should just say,
“Quit Cheneying me and call your lawyer.”
And when my son, wearing traces of chocolate around his mouth, says he didn’t eat my Mother’s Day Godiva treats, I might ask,
“Stop Cheneying right now, you’re grounded!”
perris @ 14
I am shocked, shocked!
this joint is on fire, literally,
today — been off-the-grid, for
clients, all day today — GREAT
work here! love this one; loved
the letter re release of scooter-
support-letters. . .
i will go see what PACER turns up,
now that i am free, later tonight. . .
c o o l!
earlier (much), today — i offered
some of the false predictions mister
shooter made, three years ago, tomorrow,
re the patriot act. . . and iraq. . .
btw, didja’ guys notice that, in
halo 3, when one “pwned” 10 opponents
in a row — but ONLY if with a shotgun,
mind you — one would (for a time in mid-
may 2007 — now “de-bugged“) receive
a “CHENEYMANIA” medal/badge/award?!?!?!?
k e w l. . .
all this makes me feel
“sorta’ sullied and unusual. . .”
but, in a good way. . .
scooter listening to shooter
isn’t shooter talking to scooter. . .
w i l d.
just wild.
I do believe Fitz. has it in him to “sit idly by.” He’s demonstrated he has a talent for sticking to his own jurisdiction. Unless he’s specifically asked by the judge to weigh-in on Libby remaining free pending appeal, he won’t go there. He’s Mr. Detachment.
perris @ 19
I am, anyone that mar ket this guy out of office is OK by me.
lina @ 29
I believe that if a defendant asks to remain free pending appeal, the very first thing the judge usually does is to ask the prosecution for its opinion. With his well-deserved reputation for advance preparation, Fitz is probably weighing his response to that question very carefully.
We need an adjective for this sort of bull:
How does one describe this? And keep in mind that it must be a word that can be pronounced as one’s mouth hangs open in utter amazement.
Peterr @ 22
I still think that Fred Thompson needs to explain why he supports a felon. If he wrote a letter he needs to release it now before he is court ordered to…
Okay so three weeks earlier Shooter was speaking to Scooter, maybe Scooter just couldn’t speak back.
Wasn’t there also a Cheney Christmas party that Scooter was spotted at? Rumor maybe
I’m inclined to agree with Marcy. I fear the closest anyone connected with the Administration will come to receiving their just desserts was the incident with the bird at the Bush presser.
Cozumel @ 34
So what exactly was in those visitor logs to Cheney’s residence, hmmmm??
edit: more to the point, what WAS NOT in those visitor logs?
Rayne @ 26
one might confuse this with the other meaning of ‘cheney’.
Rayne @ 36
LOL BAAAAM!!! ; )
Has any recommendation been made as to the type of prison Libby will be sent to?
Rayne @ 36
Where’s the outrage!
solai @ 37
Ah, but that’s what’s so perfect about it.
“Dude, you’ve been Cheneyed!!”
“She got you Cheneyed, man, been stepping out behind your back for months!”
“I’ll do the dishes, Mom, in a sec…[Not! Cheneyed that!]
JPL @ 33
Could be a nice question to ask the Senator if/when he becomes a presidential candidate. Heard on the radio while running errands that he’s formed his exploratory committee.
“Senator, as one who is well known for being a strong law-and-order supporter, how is it that you could endorse a pardon or even leniency for a high-ranking federal official convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice? Will perjurers get a pass from the DOJ under a President Thompson?”
I should acknowledge that I share that h/t with ’sabra’ at Democratic Underground, whose linked comment there is where I happened to spot that NYPost blurb in April. Something made me tuck it away until now - as the June 5th day of reckoning draws nigh…
perris @ 19
I think we should call it the “Cheney Certification” - CC - and if something is CC’d, then it is absolutely, unmistakably, undeniably, balls-out wrong.
“Bush fears for nation’s soul” has got to one of the top ten creepiest, most terrifying things he’s said in his long, long nefarious career.
If Gitmo is good enough for “terrorists” before arrest, conviction, sentencing, appeal or even identification, then a federal prison should be more than enough for scooter.
I haven’t spoken to Cheney lately either. He’s on my no fly list anyway.
solai @ 39
have’t heard any. ME?, I’d recommend a room next to Padilla
fixing ital.
that is all.
Elliott @ 48
Sounds good.
Anent the allegedly skimpy comms between VPOTUS and I”S”LJr — If U didn’t see it when I posted it — ‘WAY back before the latter’s (for the nonce) conviction as an Official Felon — maybe check out my http://tinyurl.com/yvu7pa … (give it time to load, that was a big string) :)
Even then, it was quite clear that VPOTUS was going to cut I”S”LJr away to sink, like so much anonymous seaweed, from underneath his ponderous keel…
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Nuts, where’s darkblack?
Need a little morph of this pic of Big Fat Liar…capice?
Rayne @ 41
I say Cheney Cheney!
So, JH, I know why I think so, but what was EW’s reasoning behind her saying Fitzgerald won’t take a position?
ironranger @ 45
amen
Frankly, if he had one, I’d fear for his.
MEG @ 47
LOL!
I keep thinking of the scene from Turow’s ‘Presumed Innocent’ where a meek accountant-like guy was sent to a tough prison to persuade him to talk. He was way out of his element and was beaten and sodomized. Not that I wish that on anyone, but, if Libby’s sent to a ‘white collar’ prison, then double the sentence.
Well, I don’t really consider speaking in front of an audience with Scooter in it having a conversation. Cheney could have mentioned the speech Scooter with scoots in the audience if he wanted to be perfectly honest, but I think calling Cheney a “liar” for the speech is overstating it. We’ve got enough on Cheney that this “lie” is just about the least bad thing the man has done.
Fitz “There is a cloud over the vice president . . . And that cloud remains because this defendant obstructed justice. There is a cloud over the White House. Don’t you think the FBI and the grand jury and the American people are entitled to straight answers?”
Darn tootin the F.B.I., the grand jury and the American people deserve straight answers. Whether we ever get any is still a question!
Dark Clouds over Cheney
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=10569
TexBetsy @ 50
hey Hi! How are you feeling this fine day?
PBS NewsHour/ Gwen Ifill interviews Al Gore on his book, about 6:36 into the hour.
My question is this: if Libby has information he has not yet come forward with, which might result in an impact on an appeal (or sentence modification perhaps) would he be more likely, less likely, or whatever, to see it in his interests to be more candid and come forward while sitting in a jail cell or out on the streets?
solai @ 32
I saw that at Froomkin and I think he got taken on this one. Bush is really, really interested in immigration, right. That’s why he waited until the seventh year of his Presidency and a JAR of 28% to do anything about it.
Doing well, Elliott. Thanks for asking. Done with my 3rd set of injections and I have a bunch of scans on Friday to determine where they attack next.
But I seem to be doing pretty well.
The fact that Cheney still links 9/11 with Iraq demonstrates how serious this guy is about the regime change agenda in the middle east. With Addington and Elliot Abrams at his side the storm keeps expanding.
http://www.thewashingtonnote.c.....002145.php
Looking at Gore on the NewsHour, thanks to Scarecrow, and Olbermann last night, leaves the impression that Mr. Gore is preparing to make a move.
Elliott: The only reason to listen to bush is to find out what horrendous thing he (or should I say cheney) might be up to next. The orwellian opposite strategy.
TexBetsy @ 64
Prayers?
OT F*cker Carlson is trying to bait Pat Buchanan into supporting Podheretz’s call to bomb Iran. Pat’s slapping him down.
Kathleen @ 68
Please! (and yes, we are praying)
Is that NY Post link correct?
OT — kind of…
Thai Rak Thai party dissolved and ex-prime minister banned from politics for election fraud.
Jeepers. Would never happen here, but wow, what a daydream to think that could happen to the RNC if they get busted on RICO for caging and worse…
According to ATRIOS Gore’s book will debut at #1 on the NYT non-fiction bestseller list
Rayne, you’ve got a way with words. :)
Lou Dobbs is going bonkers right now because of the NYT article that pointed out his racism. He calls it a scurrilous personal attack or something like that.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 62
Is there any hope that he might flip? Even with the harshest of penalties, do you think that’s a possibility? Personally, I’ve been praying for that but with all the support he’s been given, I don’t see it happening.
I don’t think his supporters give a damn about Libby personally. It’s the machine that they’re protecting.
Peterr @ 31
Jane’s right about one thing though, if Scooter is not remanded pending appeal, he will never see the inside of a prison cell.
Martha Stewart was given the option of remaining out on bail pending appeal, but she did not have an pressure being applied on the President to pardon or commute her sentence.
Even so, there was a great deal of outcry at the time that MArtha was being treated better than other defendants because she is in a privledged class.
She solved that problem for everyone by voluntarily beginning to serve her time.
Allowing Libby to remain out on bail during pending appeal makes a mockery of te court system, the sacrifices made by covert agents who work for this nation, and of every single statemetn PatFitz ever made about why this prosecution was meaningful.
If he sits by and allows Walton to continue bail without offering a peep of protest, he will completely undercut his own work thus far.
I doubt he is so foolish.
However, I don’t know that Walton wil necessarily force him to take a position. I think the pre-sentence manipulations may have backfired on Team Libby.
I think walton’s whole “let’s rebrief this and tell me why I shouldn’t release the letters Prior to sentecing” after denying their motion to suppress the letters, tells me he is pissed and only making sure he does not step into a trap and create an error.
That’s why everyone gets to brief again.
Walton is bulletproofing himself.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Cheney came up with some absurd reading of the Constitution granting him the authority to pardon Libby himself.
Tithonia @ 74
You can imagine what the occasionally beer-fumigated golfer says about my, um, talents…heh.
Kathleen @ 65
From item 171 on Dick Cheney from my scandals list:
Cheney’s interest is not in the truth but in getting a particular message across. If a lie will do to do that, . . .
solai @ 39
That is decided by the Bureau of Prisons. The Judge doesn’t get to pick.
dakine01 @ 69
I knew I was in trouble four years ago when I found myself thinking Pat Buchanan was standing in the middle….thats how far to the right “wrong” our nation is still swinging.
Podheretz is a terroist!
Another thing Bush said today was that those that don’t agree w/ his immigration policy are not doing what’s best for America (paraphrased).
So, now he’s calling his base traitors. Wonder how they like it.
looseheadprop @ 81
Isn’t the Bureau of Prisons a part of DOJ?
RUT ROH
looseheadprop @ 81
I hear Leavenworth is nice this time of year.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 62
Oh in jail. If he is free, what’s his incentive?
perris @ 19
Crappy Obfuscating Cheney Kickers
Rayne @ 36
So where’s the legislation fixing this nonsense? These people potentially have another 19 months in office.
itwasntme @ 58
Well, to say “there hadn’t been occasion to speak with Scooter” really leaves one with the impression that they had not been in a room together lately. And do you really think that BigTime and Scooter didn’t have a little chat before or after the speech? These events are usually accompanied by a VIP reception, to which both could be presumed to be invited.
It ain’t Shooter’s biggest lie, no, but it’s a lie. Of course, Bob “my brother’s a Dubya Ambassador” Scheiffer is unlikely to call Shooter on it, though.
dakine01 @ 69
Tucker and Buchanan. The battle of the titans.
Hugh @ 85
That has a nice ring to it.
You can now watch the Dodd vlog video.
Pretty cool.
Elliott @ 56
mine: oaf lie list.
Loo Hoo. @ 88
Like they’d respect a law that might get them in trouble. Not this crowd.
solai @ 32
What the (mouth hangs open) F?
Cheneyism: definition, at least there’s no blue dress involved.
A US Presidential pardon would have no standing in a future war crimes trial at The Hague. Something to keep in mind.
itwasntme @ 58 - Part of the backstory here is that the Hudson Institute is a neocon incubator establishment that employs Scooter Libby (and has ever since he “resigned” from the OVP upon indictment). And the cozy environs of this meeting of HI members who invited Libby’s former boss to speak to them was evidently a collegial club setting. The likelihood of Libby and Cheney somehow managing to completely avoid speaking to each other in that informal environment and at such close quarters seems slim to none to me.
I think this already violates a law. The same one they violated by using the alternate email address.
Loo Hoo. @ 88
I have just one thing to say to that, Loo Hoo
PELOSI 2007
lhp, I thought something was afoot in the re-brief as well. Did Walton mistakenly ask for, or did he get, only opinions about releasing the letters after? And now he needs to go back and cover releasing them prior to sentencing? Or is he just pissed off at Irve’s team, being late and all?
It seemed weird to me to get opinions, and then ask for a re-brief on the narrow subject of prior.
Sorry folks — Leavenworth is a military prison.
But there’s a cell down in Alabama (IIRC) where Attorney General John Mitchell spent some time back in the 1970s. I don’t know if it’s occupied right now, but I’m sure for someone of Libby’s stature, the warden could find the current occupant a new cell and get it spruced up for Irving.
Kathleen @ 82
Buchanan’s an isolationist all the way. He was adamantly against the invasion of Iraq and is reacting the same way about Iran…Other than that he’s also still a wing-nut apologist.
TeddySanFran @ 90
corrected your typo
Tucker and Buchanan. The battle of the
titanspissants.On Hardball they’re talking about the TB guy being allowed to fly (as opposed to being on a no-fly list).
Another failure by Homeland Security and another example of the repubs failing to keep us safe.
Pretzel logic…
Jane Hamsher @ 92
thank you, Sweet Baby Jane!
solai @ 105
Y’know, he apparently wasn’t told not to fly, and it was for his wedding and honeymoon. I’m not wild about letting Julie Gerberding lock people up, too. Just sayin’
The repubs only use government for 2 things:
-increase their wealth
-increase their power
That’s it. I can’t think of one thing done in the last 6 years that didn’t have one of these stated results.
punaise @ 93
Man, that would be a very long list.
pow wow @ 98
If either Scooter or Shotter thought there was some impropriety in being seen together Scooter could have skipped the talk or Cheney’s office could have simply informed the Hudson Institute of a potential appearance of something untoward and the Institute could have warned Scooter off. None of this happened so I agree that the idea that they just blew kisses to each other but didn’t talk is typical Republican BS.
Now Heckuva job Brownie is on Hardball.
Tweety told Brownie that it was great to have him back.