
[Please welcome Ian back, and check out his regular digs over at the Agonist. That's my bookmark recommendation for the day! -- Pach]
On Saturday I talked about walking a mile in your enemies shoes. Today I want to extend that a bit by looking at the world as various of America's allies and friends do. But before I can discuss that properly, the scene needs to be set with a little bit of history.
The History of the Pax – Pax Britannia and Pax Americana
The Empire has lasted now, for almost 200 years. For the first 150 it was ruled from London – the glorious Pax Britannia, which stained the world's map red. By 1880, while Britain appeared to be going from strength to strength, the signs of rot were clear, British industrial dominance fading and falling to Germany and America. More and more of Britain's money went into maintaining a military lead, leaving other countries an opening to steal the true basis of modern power – a powerful and technologically advanced industrial economy.
The early twentieth century can be told in large part as the story of the fall of Britain, as the long war with Germany left Britain unable to sustain its empire or colonies. While the world was, in principle, largely decolonialized after WWII, in fact the empire largely fell into American hands. And if the United States, with over 50% of the world's production, ruled with a lighter hand, with fewer garrisons and more monetary incentives, still no one should mistake most of the non communist world in those years as anything but client states. Any who thought otherwise learned during the Suez crisis that even the mightiest could be brought to heel by the US.
The United States, from the end of WWII, to the fall of the USSR, built itself a large permanent military, the first in its history, and a massive military, industrial and intelligence infrastructure around it. The military itself was designed to fight a war in generally open ground against other conventional forces – it was designed, in fact, to fight for Europe against the Warsaw Pact. The US military can be seen as the armored spearhead of NATO – it is probably the best open field battle force in the world. This military is fantastically expensive – at this point it costs almost as much as the rest of the world's militaries combined. Even US intelligence services (notably incompetent) cost only about 20% less than the entire Chinese military.
The US military was not designed to fight in isolation from other NATO members. It is only one part of a combined military which is much greater than its parts – the spearhead. Without other NATO members to take up jobs such as garrison duty, anti-insurgency warfare, to fill out the infantry bulk, and so on, the US military is not particularly functional, except as a decapitation military. (If the US had gone into Baghdad, overthrown the government and left, everyone would still be quaking in fear.)
Meanwhile the US balance of trade and general economic position has been deteriorating. In large part one might blame this on US triumphalism after WWII – Keynes's proposal for Bretton Woods would have made imbalances in trade – including having too much of a trade surplus, something the system worked against. The US, not ever imagining itself as having a trade deficit, didn't like that idea and it wasn't enshrined in Bretton Woods or the Bretton Woods institutions (the IMF and World Bank being two that have outlived Bretton Woods itself) – having a trade deficit was to be a problem for the debtor nation only.
US economic weakness in it's particularly chronic nature, however, can be traced back to the mid 70's and early 80's, after the end of Bretton Woods. With the rise of the conservative movement, and the enshrinement of globalization as the technocratic consensus, marginal tax rates were put through the floor; capital controls were largely done away with; and the institutions and laws created to ensure the Great Depression could never happen again were removed in wave after wave of “reform” and “liberalization” till only a few great spars, such as Social Security, and Medicare, remain.
These economic policies lead to what I've called the long suck – a good thirty year period where middle and working class wages, in real terms, stagnated, while the rich became fantastically rich, corporations gobbled each other up, household debt skyrocketed and families made ends meet by moving to having two wage earners. Financialization of economies generally leads to fundamental weaknesses in the actual economy (since real reinvestment drops when you can make better returns playing paper games) and this is what happened to the US. As Kevin Phillips noted in “Wealth and Democracy” this is the general end-game pattern for hegemonic powers – followed by Spain, the Netherlands, Britain – and now, odds are, by the US.
When the USSR fell, however, US decline, while there for those who were willing to see it, was still far from clear. What happened then was US triumphalism – a certainty in US political circles that the US model, because it had “defeated” communism, was the best model possible and was working wonderfully. What the world needed was more laissez-faire capitalism, more free trade deals (better understood not as free trade deals but as agreements to allow capital to move freely) and so on.
The Russian Bear
The model was tried, in full, in a surprising place – Russia. The “shock therapy” of privatizing as much as possible, as fast as possible, lead to violence, corruption and a massive drop in Russia's standard of living and indeed, life expectancy. State enterprises were sold of for cents on the dollar, largely to connected insiders, and in those cases where ownership was more widely spread, it was quickly concentrated in a few hands by making shareholders “offers they couldn't refuse”. Not unless they wanted their legs in casts.
Meanwhile NATO crept further and further towards the Russian border, while America bought as much influence as it could in the various post-Soviet Republics. The game was about oil – in many of the new Republics were believed to be some of the largest remaining unexploited reserves, and in others – the rights-of-ways necessary for oil pipelines.
Russia experienced this as a crushing humiliation and to this day many of them believe that the advice given them was deliberately bad – that Americans knew that “shock therapy” would be a disaster, and that's why they did their best to make Russia swallow the pill.
What happened was predictable. The hard men took over again. The question was always when and who, rather than if – personally I had thought the military would start lining people up, but it turned out to be the intelligence services who took over. They put the most important parts of the economy (those that generate foreign currency, most notably fossil fuel extraction) back under state control, and either destroyed or brought under control the oligarchs and the press, and while they maintained the forms of democracy, the state became far more authoritarian.
It should be understood by Westerners that this wasn't unpopular – not even close. Putin is extremely popular in Russia and so are his policies. People were tired of declining standards of living, of rampant crime, of corruption and of massive rises in inequality. They were looking for someone to do something. And while Putin hasn't solved everything, or even close, Russians are better off under his reign than they were under the liberalized western regime that preceded him.
In the early 2000's the color revolutions swept through ex-Soviet states, putting in place anti-Moscow governments. The color movements were funded by large amounts of American and European money and were seen by Moscow as puppets for Western interests. Moscow was infuriated, and step by step, they have worked to bring places like Georgia back under control – primarily through the use of oil as a weapon. If you want your houses heated and your cars to run, you will make nice with Russia.
What Russia has learned is that when your enemies are making a mistake you help them along and that the lesson of Afghanistan can so easily be turned on the US. So Russia has used the rhetoric of terrorism and Putin has egged Bush on. In the 2004 elections Putin did what he could to help Bush get reelected, then went and armed Syria and Venezuela; turned the spigot off on Georgia and Europe and generally made clear that if NATO wants to run right up to Russia's border there will be a price to be paid. Russia fell in large part by being bled white by Afghanistan – their goal now is help the US bleed itself white however it can, so that it can no longer afford its ambitions in what Russia regards as its sphere of influence.
China
China has modernized and industrialized the old fashioned way – behind barriers intended to keep its products cheap and to keep foreign goods largely uncompetitive in its internal markets, while trading with already industrialized nations – most notably the United States. There is little of “globalization” about the Chinese economic miracle, and they would tell you so themselves – instead they have pursued mercantalist policies used by every industrializing nation larger than a city state since the 19th century. Their military is weaker than the US's, their economy is still weaker than the US's, but they burn with the vitality of a nation on the rise and they are playing a very bad hand very well. Throughout the world they are locking down all the energy reserves they can, aided by a resolute policy of non-interference. How you run your country is your business as far as China is concerned, and they are happy to do business with countries like Ethiopia, Darfur and Iran and raise no concerns about how much blood is mixed in with the oil.
At one time if you wanted modern goods your choice was to do business with the West, on their terms, or do without. Today, most of what a third world nation wants can be provided by China, cash on the barrelhead, and no interference with your internal affairs. This has lead to a huge loss of clout for the US, especially in Africa, where China is gobbling up oil reserves, at a premium, as fast as it can.
China is in a position to destroy the US dollar hegemony at any time it chooses, but is unwilling to do so as long as Americans are willing to ship jobs and basic industry to China in exchange for a couple of points off the CPI and excellent profits for offshoring companies. In an ideal world it would be in China's interest to arrange a soft landing for the US, but in the world as it is, the Chinese decision is about when losing their massive investment in US dollars and assets will be offset by the cost of continuing to prop up the US economy when US citizens have a negative savings rate, and when the cost savings for buying energy in a properly valued Yuan will exceed the value of exporting to the US.
China's problems are not small – most of the country is still 3rd world, there is widespread corruption and violence and job riots are very common. But because China is riding the ragged edge; because the Communist Party is well aware that it could lose power; there is a huge drive to make the economy work for as many people as possible.
If that economy does not work for enough people; if economic growth stalls out, then the ruling class is at great risk. In such a case one should expect that their response will be to find external enemies – and the three most likely enemies are Taiwan, Japan and the United States. A failure of the Chinese miracle would not endanger just China, but all nations around it, and could very easily end in a war which involves the US.
Japan
Probably the US's most loyal ally, Japan is firmly tied into the US military and trade spheres. Japan's trade is still very dependent on the US, their security is underwritten by the US, and a Pacific dominated by China is very frightening when for many Chinese the Rape of Nanking happened yesterday.
Japan's response to US weakness has been a continued attempt to prop them up through monetary policy and a nervous sidestep towards further expansion of their own military, which is already much larger than the Constitution should supposedly allow. Politicians continue to lay the groundwork for rewriting the constitution, and trade with other nations is quietly expanded to reduce the risk of US exposure.
Iran
Persia sees itself as a great nation and believes it should be a great power in its own region. The post 9/11 world has been good for Iran – the hated secular government of Iraq was overthrown and its allies are largely in charge of the Iraqi government; the Sunni government of Afghanistan was destroyed as well, and the western provinces have fallen under Iranian influence. The rise in the price of oil has likewise lead to a huge influx of hard money which can be used to support Iranian proxies such as Hezbollah, and to buy influence.
However the continued enmity of the United States and its unwillingness to accept peace with Iran, no matter what Iran offers (and Iran had offered to end its nuclear program and support the US in Iraq and Afghanistan) has put Iran on edge. In the face of the declared intention of the United States not just for Iran to end its nuclear program, but for regime change, and in the face of repeated provocations such as the kidnapping of Iranian diplomats, Iran's hardliners and Mullahs have been greatly strengthened and so long as the US is in Iraq the Iranians have many Americans effectively hostage. The late crisis over the seized British marines, which caused a spike in the price of oil and thus a spike in Iranian oil revenues, was a reminder to the West of who is on the sticky end of the oil wicket.
Iran now maneuvers against the US's main allies in the region – Saudi Arabia and Israel, in a game to determine who has the most influence in the Middle East. With an ally in Hezbollah; with a strategic alliance with Syria, with near control of the Iraqi government, and with their status as a benefactors of the Palestinians, Iranian prestige is on the rise even as the power and influence of America's allies in the region is falling
Britain
Once the most loyal of America's allies, America's empire is, in many respects, a continuation of the British Pax. Since WWII Britain has mostly been willing to do whatever it took to maintain the “special relationship”. But the Iraq war, opposed by the majority of Brits even when Blair took Britain in, combined with Bush's complete unwillingness to give Blair anything at all for his extreme loyalty, has left Britain looking upon the special relationship with a jaundiced eye. It's one thing to be someone's lackey, it's another thing to get nothing at all for it.
As the center of financial gravity shifts away from New York (caused by a number of factors, including the US's unfriendliness to foreign visitors, the spread of technology and especially by the US's negative savings rate) it also becomes less necessary for Britain to be a key part of the American Pax. London's role as a financial center no longer requires America's ok, and the nations with great reserves to spend are in the Middle and Far East.
With even the Conservative party leader murmuring about an end to the special relationship it seems likely that its day is at an end. The extent to which this is a disaster for the US is impossible to overstate and is perhaps the most important long term damage the Bush administration has done to America's relations. Whether Britain, traditionally torn between the US and Europe, will fall more into the European sphere, or if they will chart an independent course as a financial center, remains to be seen.
Al-Qaeda
What bin Laden wanted when he brought down the Towers was to sting the sleeping giant into invading Afghanistan. In Afghanistan the Russian bear had been bled white, and crawled home to die, and bin Laden hoped for a repeat.
He didn't quite get he wanted – the US invasion of Afghanistan was both successful and very light. The result of using proxies to do most of the fighting was that bin Laden survived – and the US wasn't drawn into a debilitating war of attrition in Afghanistan.
One suspects that bin Laden may have had some dark nights then, but Allah moves in mysterious ways, and the US, with over 70% of Americans convinced through big lie propaganda that Iraq was behind 9/11, went on and did what al-Qaeda wanted – got itself bogged down in a nasty guerrilla war. Win/win for bin Laden, since the secular regime of Saddam wasn't one he had much time for.
Bin Laden's basic thesis is this – the reason that Islamic insurgencies have lost in places like Egypt is because the US has been propping up such states with money, military and intelligence aid. A standard rule in Islam is that you fight the local bad ruler first – you shouldn't be running off attacking far enemies. But bin Laden argued that the local enemy couldn't be defeated, the new Islamic states couldn't be created, so long as the US was propping up states like Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Israel.
However, as long as the US stayed the “far enemy” it couldn't really be defeated. US troops needed to be drawn into a nasty ground war where they could be bled white. More than that, they needed to be drawn in so that Muslims as a whole could learn the lesson that they could be defeated. When Arabs went to Afghanistan in the eighties, they tended to go expecting to die. The Afghanis, on the other hand, had care for their own lives, because they expected, over time, to win.
Taught by two centuries of having their butts kicked repeatedly by the west that they couldn't win, Muslims needed to learn that Americans, westerners, bleed and die. A new generation of Jihadis needed to be forged in the crucible of war, and the Muslim world as a whole needed to see that you could fight the US and win.
Al-Qaeda got that, at the cost of taking a huge beating. They spent the last six years reconstituting themselves, and reports are now that they are operational again. As such the next state remains creating bases of operations in which they can safely train and operate. A good chunk of Iraq is pretty much under their control, the Pashtun region of Pakistan is safe to operate in, and Somalia is looking like a promising place.
But the longer term game is to turn two key pieces – Pakistan, with its nukes, and Saudi Arabia, holy of holies – with its huge oil reserves. Get nukes and you can have a safe staging ground; get that much oil, and the world is forced to deal with you.
Bin Laden still has a very weak hand. But so far the fates have favored him and worked to his advantage. The US is losing in Iraq; it is losing in Afghanistan, it has turned Somalia into a nesting ground. Pakistan is weak and tottering on the edge of civic collapse, with the US friendly government very much at risk, and the possibility that a sympathetic government could come to power.
Truly, bin Laden must think that Allah does provide, for truly, the world appears to work towards bin Laden's end.
The View From There...
There are, of course, many other important players we could and probably should discuss. Nonetheless the key point is that the US finds itself weakening, and perversely be more and more isolated yet dependent on other players. The relationship with China is, at best, co-dependent. Britain, a true ally, is likely to cease being a very reliable ally soon. Russia is hostile, and Japan is dependent. Al-Qaeda has been having a number of very good years. Iran was willing to give the US everything it wanted except for its rulers to step down, and a refusal to accept that surrender led Iran to conclude, quite logically, that nothing they could do would appease the US and that they must act as if war is inevitable.
In most of these cases, simply understanding the motivations and world view of the other players could have avoided these problems. England deserved to receive something for its loyalty. Invading Iraq was playing into al-Qaeda's hands. Interfering in Russia's close sphere of influence was the equivalent of bear baiting (imagine China spending money and men and getting a Chinese friendly/US hostile government installed in Canada or Mexico).
Understanding how other nations thought, what their interests were, would not have just helped keep allies like England happier, it could have helped defeat enemies like al-Qaeda, gotten the majority of what the US wanted from Iran; and avoided turning Russia into an angry rival.
Turns out seeing the world through they eyes of others has hard practical applications and that not doing it can really hurt you. Because, much as we all might like to think so, we don't create our own reality all by ourselves. Others have input, and if we want it to work out well for us, we'd best understand what they want, and why.
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Ian!
Cool. And please forgive this OT link but it seems Bush doesn’t want meatpackers to test for mad cow disease. It seems the big meat packers think it might catch on and cost too much…
Ian!
Great work.
Brilliant, simply brilliant.
It seems that in a world full of professional pok*r players and con men, Bush is the clueless mark floundering around. Any good plays he may make are immediately offset by some beginner’s move that is pure idiocy.
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wow, amazing post Ian!
Oh shoot. Sorry mods. I used a no-no talking about things in a g*mbling metaphor… Please forgive me…
But…but..I thought they hated us for our freedom!
Excellent analysis, Ian. And all in one place, boiled down into very concise language.
Thanks.
British industrial dominance fell to Germany and Britain?
Wow!
Do we get credits towards a Masters Degree in history for reading this?
Just Wow.
I was just last week pointing someone to the Wikipedia entry on the collapse of the British Empire, but what Ian’s written here does a much better job of laying it out. The parallels between the decline of the United States Empire and the British Empire are quite stark. I do love these threads from Wikipedia, however:
It’s spooky how Reaganism and the modern GOP are doing exactly to America what caused the British Empire to collapse. I do, however, like to compare our future fate more to that of the Dutch, who lost their massive empire and became just another country in the world. The good news for us, I guess, is that countries manage to survive and even thrive after they become non-superpowers.
I want to extend that a bit by looking at the world as various of America’s allies and friends do.
Nice post, but I could do the same by watching Miss America getting booed during the Miss Universe Pagent…
This is a WONDERFUL piece, and should be required reading for everyone who is interested in the survival of this country. This and George Kennon’s American Political History (which is a short paperback, and unfortunately out of print…check Amazon). It is an excellent primer on how nations fall. And the Democrats has better take notice!
Brief ThinkProgress post: CIA ordered analysts to cherry-pick intel for Iraq war
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Outstanding!Simply outstanding!
looseheadprop @ 11
No. We get to keep our country if we pay attention to the lessons it has to teach! And I agree. Just wow!
Ian Welsh writes
This in a nutshell is why the off-shoring of jobs, the trade deficit, and the deficit spending in DC are ALL security issues for the US. Of course, we know from experience and actions what the security of the US means to BushCo, regardless of the rhetoric they employ.
Drive by …
Tangentially related
The Pentagon’s New Map
And on topic …
DoD report on PRC (Peoples Republic of China) Defense capabilities
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Well done, Ian. Very succinctly and adroitly presented.
looseheadprop @ 11
You’ve written an outstanding post, Ian; I agree with lhp’s assessment.
BTW, folks, if you don’t have Ian’s home, The Agonist, in your bookmarks, you really should.
cynic @ 14
“This is a WONDERFUL piece, and should be required reading for everyone who is interested in the survival of this country.” And let us hope our congresscritters of every stripe read this carefully.
I trust it is kosher to cut and paste this post with attribution to fdl and the author and send it to our state and federal representatives here, there and everywhere.
Thank you Ian for your essential writing.
OT - chimpy picks Robert Zoellick as Wolfowitz replacement
Pachacutec @ 22
Thanks Pach!
spinn @ 10
Corrected (America and Germany). Thanks for the catch.
With regard to Iranian influence in Afghanistan, by eastern provinces…do you mean western? Or are you saying that Iranian influence has now made significant headway in the eastern provinces of Afghanistan since the American intervention?
I’m not overly concerned about China. They have never failed, in their history, to collapse under the weight of their own internal strife. I don’t see China’s current capitalism-without-democracy experiment to last many more years, the disparities between the industrialized cities and the millions of poor in the countryside is just too great. We don’t hear about the daily violent protests in northern cities, but the little I’ve seen indicates it’s really bad.
puppethead @ 12
The counter-example is Spain, which went into steep decline and turned into a backwater when they lost their empire. While Britain seems like a better model, you can argue that Spain fits as well - Britain, after all, didn’t go into both balance of payment and balance of trade deficit until much later in the game. The US is in both relatively early.
The real question, though, is the hollowing out of the middle class. All three empires had it happen, but in Spain it went too far to be recovered from. The US isn’t there yet, but the damage is much more severe than most people realize.
parrot @ 27
Urg, western is what I meant. Thanks for the catch. I shouldn’t try and write pieces this large this fast.
thanks for this post…
puppethead @ 28
Sometimes takes them a couple hundred years to fall to internal strife though. However, I do agree that they have huge problems. You regularly read about entire villages revolting for example.
The thing is though, China’s really playing their hand very well. The US, otoh, is playing thier hand (a much better one) very badly. I think the key is that while you can be corrupt in China there’s also a feeling that things are close enough to the edge that you have to do you job also. In the US too many politicians and appointees don’t even pretend to their jobs. It’s assumed that everything will work out, the system will keep humming, etc… For a long time it did, but it’s really beginning to crack apart in significant ways, which the US’s elites are generally ignoring, because those cracks mostly don’t effect them.
I wouldn’t count the Chinese out yet. They’ve got huge problems, but they know it and are working on them.
Ian nails it: Nonetheless the key point is that the US finds itself weakening, and perversely be more and more isolated yet dependent on other players.
A prime reason for that weakening and isolation? Froomkin, citing Fitzgerald’s Friday filing in Libby, posits that Fitzgerald was looking at Chee-knee for malfeasance. One wonders if the crime were more appropriately labeled treason.
And where is the MSM on this? Let’s just say they’re in no position to point fingers at Dems for weak spines.
For these Untied States, democracy can only be made whole when the criminals are indicted and held to account. So that Americans–and the world–will know that rule of law and the Constitution are still the only standard We, the People will accept.
Ian Welsh @ 29
You’re right about Spain, an example of a collapsed empire that didn’t fair well afterwards. But considering the collapse of the middle class, I wonder if the US will be more like France in that regard (although I don’t think we’ll go as far as France did). Our country was built on building and rebuilding after failure (original settlement of the West, the post-Depression WPA and WWII rapid industrialization are some examples).
I’ve felt for a long time there’s a world-wide workers’ movement growing again, and the US should be swinging back into the pro-labor side of things in the next decade or so. I think what’s happening today in Venezuela is part of this shift, just like the rise of labor unions and communism around the world in the early 20th Century were all borne from the same imbalance and strife, although with different results in different areas.
I will add my voice to those who acclaim the virtues of this analysis and exposition. I wish I could have done the analysis so well. Not only that, it is so well organized and structured–the last century or so in a nutshell and I am not being snarky.
Thank you.
twolf1 @ 24
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Ian. Wonderful; this deserves a wider audience than just us Firepups.
One thing though, don’t hold your breath about Britain (please not England, us unionist Scots don’t need more help for the Scottish National Party)breaking away from the USA, no matter how much we the people might wish it.
A series of Bristish Governments, still believing in free trade in the one field where America seriously does not-defence,has ensured that very little of our forces could go to war anywhere at any time without deep American support. I know of what I speak. It’ll keep us loyal for a few decades, I fear.
Ian, the Chinese model is the one that scares me the most: not for what they might do to us, but for how our paradigm may start to resemble theirs. I saw the description upthread as “capitalism-without-democracy”; IIRC, this is the classical description of the economic model of fascism, it being private-but-controlled, as opposed to either purely private or purely state. IMO, China is not really a Communist nation, but a truly fascist one.
dakine01 @ 18
This in a nutshell is why the off-shoring of jobs, the trade deficit, and the deficit spending in DC are ALL security issues for the US. Of course, we know from experience and actions what the security of the US means to BushCo, regardless of the rhetoric they employ.
Excellent post!
Somebody help me out here, when did we start incurring such huge debt to China?
dakine01 @ 6
Good metaphor.
I must respectfully disagree. How could Al-Qaeda, be anything worse than a large criminal gang, that does have support from Saudi Arabia. But how do you know what Bin Laden or Al-Qaeda does or thinks or wants. Specifically linkies? Do you think the CIA had nothing at all to do with Bin Laden and supplying weapons to Al-Qaeda? Again what about the Bin Laden family and Bush family connections? The Bush’s should know a lot about the Bin Laden’s since they have been in business together for over 20 years.
There is no proof that Bin Laden “brought down the Towers”. Or at least you have not presented proof. I refer you to “Debunking 9/11 Debunking” by David Ray Griffin. The review “9/11 and the Evidence” is written by Paul Craig Roberts (Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration).
Adam Smith’s ideas of economics are largely based on the idea that capitalists will naturally invest in their own countries, and he gives several reasons why this would be so. The thing about globalization is that it makes this idea quaint. The ability to invest American money generated from the labor of Americans reasonably safely in China, means that the Americans lose their jobs, and the capitalists increase their profits. This is dangerous to the non-capitalists, like us. As more American capital is invested in other countries, its owners lose interest in this country, and its ideals and people. It makes me wonder how the theoretical underpinnings of capitalism will hold up under the combined forces of globalization and Bushism.
DMM @ 16
I agree!
excellent post, thank you. even this simpleton could understand!
dakine01 @ 6
That’s really nasty, given Shrub’s history as an oil promoter (which, as practiced in his companies, is a con game. Get the money from the rich Eastern marks…).
P J Evans @ 45
Shrub is more pretender than promoter. He has, at best, been a useful idiot for various special interests.
P J Evans @ 45
Don’t forget, Bush was a failure in the oil bidness, getting Daddy’s buddies to save his a** and allow him to fail upwards each time.
DOCUMENTS SHOW VALERIE PLAME WAS COVERT AGENT…
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18924679
A hearty fuck you to Novak, Toensing, York & Kit Bond!!!
Frank 33 - Thank you for the link. I have noticed several comments lately where folks seem willing to fall back on accepting the Bin Ladin 9-11 premise..
I will help pass your link along as needed.
Ian, you don’t explicitly mention it with regard to technology, China, and Africa, but there is some discussion of this in recent reports of China’s launching earlier this month of a Nigerian satellite they also developed. A different report that I saw the other day was a bit longer, and brought in other technical expertise China was providing to curry favor with resource-bearing countries, particularly ones the US has decided to snub. That’ll show ‘em!
Attaturk @ 48
Gee, you s’pose the MSNBC folks read Froomkin’s charge that the MSM was MIA on reporting about Fitz’s filings?
Terrific post, especially your comments about how the GOP since Reagan has been gutting all the protections put in place after the Great Depression; and the consistent undermining of the middle class that has also ensued. Good government is necessary and invaluable for a well-run democracy.
Too bad Shrubbie and friends would prefer to run a banana-republic dictatorship; and can’t be bothered trying to learn what other governments think, or how to get along with them.
Here is another interesting story about China and our shopping addiction from Marketwatch.
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Excellent post Ian. I will definitely point my small readership this way. Very concise and well thought out. I definitely need to be visiting the Agonist as well.
WHAT a post! I don’t know where to begin–you articulated a scene that anyone with anyone with any common sense could’ve seen coming over the past 20 years.
I laughed when I read the part about the lousy US intelligence–a double entendre if there ever was one. The lack of intelligence behind US policy is even worse than that of the Brits–which was always really bad. It is a lack of intelligence which has a specific cause: arrogance and a refusal to see any reality which one does not want to see.
Wow Ian, I agree with LHP early on, and everybody else
Where does India fit in?
That he is badwater. “Pretender” is my favorite word for Bush. It started immediately after he was declared the winner by Katherine Harris in Florida. Although the matter of who would be president was far from settled, he went about pretending to be the president, and has done nothing but pretend ever since.
Oh how I long for a real President! It’s been a long 6 years.
Eureka Springs @ 49
I greatly appreciate your comment, and I thank Firedoglake for allowing me to present controversial views.
Very strong evidence is the visual record of the exploding not collapsing, Twin towers.
We had a chap from our district’s Federal Reserve shop give us a chat two weeks back. He was completely sanguine about our trade deficit vis a vis China, along with outsourcing (according to him, the whole world is losing jobs because of productivity)and Chinese T-Bill holdings. His position: the Chinese are big fans of the American economy because they are so heavily invested in it.
History is littered with lenders who over-extended capital to risky ventures, and the Chinese know when to fish, and when to cut bait.
Color me a pessimist, but I don’t think it’s going to go as ticky-boo as the Federal Reserve would have us believe.
This is the kind of post that makes me both happy that I have an internet connection and sad that so many people will never have a chance to read any of it. Very logically broken down by Ian to very simple terms anyone can understand.
However I do agree with Frank33 that there were other much more powerful players with interests in bringing down the towers and dragging the US into a middle east briar patch than OBL. Bin Laden/AQ have been expertly used by this administration to be their boggeyman.
The WTC towers collapsed. The engineering of the towers was unique. It was stupid luck on the part of the hijackers that they brought down the towers, due in large part to the engineering of the buildings and the fact that the FDNY had the wrong kind of response protocol for the towers.
There are plenty of questions around what happened on 9/11, but pushing speculation on how the towers went down when independent engineering studies around the world are basically in agreement just undermines legitimate questioning.
Great post, Ian. I have to say, out of all of this, the prospect of Pakistan’s government falling and an al qaeda sympathizing, hardline Wahhabist government stepping into its place or, even worse, an even more nationalistic and territorial, self-interested military dictatorship than the one they already have? The prospects for relations with India as well as that whole Indo-Asian region are beyond frightening. And when you add in the spectre of nukes? Jeebus, what a mess.
This is what six years of utter neglect of foreign policy looks like. Welcome to Bushworld. (Thanks for doing the post Ian — really great work!)
Frank33 @ 57
I seem to have missed class on the day they taught that 9/11 wasn’t the work of Osama. What is the theory here?
Frank 33 - Sorry, that was not my point… I simply don’t see any reason to believe OBL had direct involvement with 9-11. Nor does the FBI who does not have him on their most wanted list for anything except the 90’s WTC attack.
cheers
Frank33 @ 41
Well–as a person who has lived in KSA and traveled extensively in the Arab world (and been in a few bin Laden households in the 90s) I would have to say that Ian is right on the money. The Saudis have many faults–one of their worst is their conservatism, or said differently, their aversion to risk. They also tend toward laziness and complacently (they are really not all that ambitious–there has never been a reason for them to be so, since all fortune as literally fallen into their laps). Bin Laden is not at all typical in this regard (part of the reason may be that he is really no t Saudi–rather half Yemeni and half Syrian)–which is why and how his Saudi citezenship was revoked and why he has had no compunction in speaking out against the Al Sauds (simply would not happen if he had any significant blood ties with them).
An interesting sub-chapter to this whole sage is the father to the current Assad’s launching of a bloody crack-down (killed thousands in a matter of days) against the Muslim brotherhood in the 80s. Bin Laden’s mother and wives are Syrian–I have always thought this is an overlooked (and if so, incredibly stupid on teh part of US intelligence) aspect of the rise of Al Qaeda. There is a Syrian who lives in Switzerland who is generally thought to be the main conduit for money for the 9-11 operation. Very slick fellow and still walking around in broad daylight since no one has ever been able to pin anything concrete on him personally, though his bank was shut down after 9-11 by the Swiss.
I am only a basement blogger (without official FDL blogojamies), and you may be correct and I may be totally wrong. However, your comment about the New York Fire Department is not supported by any evidence that I have seen.
puppethead @ 61
This pretty sums it up for the US economy. There is no real capital investment in the country anymore. One example that I can think of has to do with one of the most important emerging technologies,solar power. When the guy who controlled Cypress Semiconductor(can’t recall his name at the moment)decided that solar cells were going to be a big thing, he set up a US based company to make them. The catch was that while the company was incorporated in the US, the actual manufacturing was to be done in the Philippines. He didn’t even consider actually investing in our country.
IMO there is no fundamental reason, structural or otherwise, why the US must necessarily “fail” as the great historical empires of old did…. the US, if we can only somehow stop electing (or appointing, as the case may be) impbecilic rulers. The US is an idea, and, as an idea, it has been a successful model for many (but not all) of its citizens, as well as a model for the rest of the world… with the exception of a few really bad “imperial” years (basically, IMO, the Polk administration, the first Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson and, now, shrimpco). A country that is truly democratic, diverse and equitable doesn’t succumb to imperial overreach, because it doesn’t overreach.
‘course if the signs of the present remain unchanged, I will be proven wrong… and, in a few more years, I’ll be happily calling for California’s secession. If push came to shove, my loyalty is to the golden state :)
OT — Robert Zelick next World Bank pres. Very timid nomination imo–the Bushies seem to be, for the 1st time in 6 years, backing away from controversy and confrontation.
oddmommy @ 63
Sorry you missed class that day.
The theory is:
1. OBL never really claimed responsibility for 9/11.
2. The video released by our government shows a person who is clearly not OBL.
3. The FBI most wanted list, to this day, does not even mention the 9/11 attacks for OBL.
4. Everyone with any connection to OBL within the US was gathered up after 9/11 and allowed to leave the country unquestioned.
5. Many, many other strange a fantastic details that are available to anyone with a small amount of curiosity.
Helpless Dancer @ 67
Unfortunately true, and there is some risk that some our “strategic competitors” will be able to leapfrog us in certain areas if we don’t start, but, fundamentally, I’d still bet in the sustainability and integrity of America’s political and bureaucratic institutions than on say, a future China, with better digital highways and more refineries.
The structural disinvestment we’re experiencing now is, in large measure, a result IMO of the dividend capital-gain driven policies of our present Unitary Executive and its kakistocratic enablers in Congress (although many of the underlying issues date from the Reagan era). Again, the solution begins with dumping shrubco (and its enablers)
Ugh.. my plus signs got deleted.. I meant public policies that attempt to maximize dividends plus capital gains for the benefit of financial investors instead of maximizing profit and its reinvestment.
Elliott @ 56
I don’t have a real strong feel for India. However, such as it is I think India is not nearly the “miracle’ that people like Thomas Friedman like to make it out as. There are entire provinces where the writ of the government is very weak, there are active guerialla movements that are very strong, and 90% of the population is still in dire poverty. They seem to have a very localized economic expansion which hasn’t hit most of the country.
As for what they want - I really don’t have a good feel for it. That said, I think India, with a couple exceptions, is still very inward looking, much more so than China.
Ian Welsh @ 73
Parts of India are doing spectacularly well.. most of it isn’t, and the country as a whole needs major land-reform measures before the countryside in the poorer regions can even begin to benefit. There is, I believe, some risk that India may wish to explore political disintegration or at least radical decentralization/confederalism in a few decades. China, for better or worse, did not squander its 20 year head start, and, despite its many many problems, will probably be able to remain a single country.
Excellent analysis!
This is exactly on target.
Too bad BushCo is illiterate as well as obnoxious, they could benefit from this.
Well done Ian!
superb
Very good point about the lesson of Suez - Eisenhower was able to bring the British, French and Israelis to heel simply be threatening to cut off reconstruction loans. For me, the whole “Axis of Evil” was less about state-supported terrorism than it was about invading the Russo-Sino spheres of influence in the world - a belt of buffer states containing oil (Iran, Iraq, the Stans) and restive populations (Afghanistan, Pakistan), along with a population of millions of starving potential refugees in North Korea, with nuclear weapons as a wild card to worrry China and Russia on their borders. I had always given Putin credit for his patience in dealing with this extreme provication to Russia’s traditional interests, but I am now considering your point that Putin was egging Bush on in his foolishness. I am optimistic, however, that with the proper leadership and policies, America has too many natural advantages (resources, land, population, technology, etc) that will prevent what happened in England and Spain, relatively small, resource-poor countries with limited land and space. However, it will have to start soon!!!!
OT but big uhoh… read the “views” section of Wikipedia’s entry on Robert Zoellick:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Zoellick
“mercantilist and unilateralist”
privatize the US postal service
allied with neocons, although not strictly one of them
believes in notions of “evil”
fearmonger
PNACer (or sumpathizer)
trade policy should be an intrument of US foreign policy
etc etc
More BS
Ian Welsh @ 73
thanks!
Blub @ 78
I know it’s not very sound analysis, but he’s creepy.