Rayne Says:
You, on the other hand, in spite of your hostility towards us, actually offered a concrete reason in NAFTA for your position.

Now I’m hostile, pointing out that you may be a little factional around here is hostile? Are you and every one you know victims…poor baby.
I’m off to find the liberal blog that doesn’t want the country invaded and turned into a third world nation. See Ya

You guys don’t sound like left-of-centre Dems to me.

I can’t tell you the extent to which this concerns me.

Does it strike anyone else that the repugs are, but their actions, getting us to focus on reproductive rights, immigration, Iraq, and (while I don’t thing these things are unimportant) distracting us from the issue that they are sending out jobs overseas at an alarming rate, fighting to make our food and drugs unafordable, and unsafe, cutting Social Security and Medicare, and setting the country up for an event that will allow King George to make himself king for real? If they don’t have a riot, they will start one. If they don’t have a cause to declare martial law and trash civil rights, they’ll create them. I lived through the 60s and I watched em try to do it. Nothing like watching a California Highway Patrolman with his badge off and his name taped over, breaking windows on downtown Shattuck ave in Berkley. It was an education, especially as I had just returned from Vietnam and traded my uniform for a pear of jeans and a sign. They were the terrorists, just as BushCo are the terrorists today.

Yes, it’s called whack-a-mole.

Great post, Jane, as yours always are. One wonders why the Hispanics voted 40% for Bush in 2004. It couldn’t have been that pigeon Spanish he spoke a few times. Maybe it was having Gonzalez as his lawyer.

Castro?

I (and my wife as well) am in the curious position of being left-of-center Democrats who are very much in favor of tough immigration enforcement and secure border enforcement.

For us it has absolutely nothing to do with either the “fear of brown people” or “we need a nanny to pick our strawberries” side of the GOP split.

For us it has to do more with: what’s the point of calling anything a “country” without border enforcement and just the general dismay at the over-crowding which occurs as people come here by hook-or-by-crook (from anywhere) seeking opportunity.

I’m curious to see who else here may share those feelings. It’s very disconcerting to sit and listen to Buchanan’s shrillness and agree with at least some of the points he makes. If you listen long enough you’ll eventually run up against his latent racism, but still it’s kinda weird.

You guys don’t sound like left-of-centre Dems to me.

I’d still like to know where these anti-immigration people were on the issue of NAFTA and CAFTA.

I’m not sure, except for Pat Buchanan, whose anti-NAFTA rhetoric is pretty well known.

I’m still waiting for a citation.

as for your flippant comment about the notion of “country”, provided with no discussion about the nature of sovereignty: there are more people of Irish descent in this country than there are in Ireland. Does that make this the United States of Ireland?

That’s the absurdly amusing part about racism.

There’s nothing amusing about racism. Are you calling me a racist ? That could cover the absurdity.