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		<title>By: Youffraita</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/29/play-it-again-slam/#comment-725575</link>
		<dc:creator>Youffraita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 21:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-725374&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Bob Schacht @ 120&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;The Newt Gingrich puzzle is solved by observing that Newt is full of ideas that are at least superficially interesting. Most of those ideas do not bear close examination, but they’re glitzy, and he talks fast enough to keep you from thinking too much about what he just said. In other words, Newt has a sack full of bright shiny objects. He’s good at word-play. He also has a bright, up-beat way of talking. By contrast, Dick Cheney sounds like a grouchy Darth Vader, and Preznit Bush sounds like Alfred E. Neumann (”What, me worry?).  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;However, its true that Newt has the morals of a Black Widow spider, and when you look into his ideas more closely, you can see a reflection of the New World Order that Poppy Bush spoke of.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;We make a mistake, however, if we take for granted a Democratic presidency in 2009. Republican minions of Karl Rove are busy caging, and gaming electronic voting machines, and other nefarious vote manipulation tricks of his new “math.” We should be working NOW, not only to uncover these tactics, but repair them and reverse them (i.e., restoring purged voters).&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bob in HI&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;You’re absolutely right about that last part.  What caught me in the Goldberg piece, though, was this:&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Gingrich’s strength was always insurgency, and after he won his majority, his Achilles’ heel, which was actual governance, became visible to the world.”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Sound like any sitting presidents we know and loathe?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-725374"><em>Bob Schacht @ 120</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>The Newt Gingrich puzzle is solved by observing that Newt is full of ideas that are at least superficially interesting. Most of those ideas do not bear close examination, but they’re glitzy, and he talks fast enough to keep you from thinking too much about what he just said. In other words, Newt has a sack full of bright shiny objects. He’s good at word-play. He also has a bright, up-beat way of talking. By contrast, Dick Cheney sounds like a grouchy Darth Vader, and Preznit Bush sounds like Alfred E. Neumann (”What, me worry?).  </p>
<p>However, its true that Newt has the morals of a Black Widow spider, and when you look into his ideas more closely, you can see a reflection of the New World Order that Poppy Bush spoke of.</p>
<p>We make a mistake, however, if we take for granted a Democratic presidency in 2009. Republican minions of Karl Rove are busy caging, and gaming electronic voting machines, and other nefarious vote manipulation tricks of his new “math.” We should be working NOW, not only to uncover these tactics, but repair them and reverse them (i.e., restoring purged voters).</p>
<p>Bob in HI</p>
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<p>You’re absolutely right about that last part.  What caught me in the Goldberg piece, though, was this:</p>
<p>“Gingrich’s strength was always insurgency, and after he won his majority, his Achilles’ heel, which was actual governance, became visible to the world.”</p>
<p>Sound like any sitting presidents we know and loathe?</p>
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		<title>By: spurious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/29/play-it-again-slam/#comment-725499</link>
		<dc:creator>spurious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-725402&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;HotFlash @ 134&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-725393&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Redshift @ 130&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;We &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt; there were WMD, but we never found them, therefore they &lt;em&gt;must&lt;/em&gt; have been moved. QED (Even though there is no evidence for it, and Iraq was one of the most heavily monitored places on earth when this was supposedly happening.)&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;WMD was Valerie’s job.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I have wondered whether Valerie was Cheney’s target all along, since she in a position to know there were no WMD in Iraq.  Joe Wilson just gave him an excuse to try to blow them both out of the water.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-725402"><em>HotFlash @ 134</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-725393"><em>Redshift @ 130</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>We <em>know</em> there were WMD, but we never found them, therefore they <em>must</em> have been moved. QED (Even though there is no evidence for it, and Iraq was one of the most heavily monitored places on earth when this was supposedly happening.)</p>
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<p>WMD was Valerie’s job.</p>
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<p>I have wondered whether Valerie was Cheney’s target all along, since she in a position to know there were no WMD in Iraq.  Joe Wilson just gave him an excuse to try to blow them both out of the water.</p>
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		<title>By: spurious</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/29/play-it-again-slam/#comment-725495</link>
		<dc:creator>spurious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-725400&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;GabrielOak @ 133&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;To Cindy Sheehan — here’s looking at you, kid.  You spoke your mind fearlessly.  I hope you find some peace.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Amen.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-725400"><em>GabrielOak @ 133</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>To Cindy Sheehan — here’s looking at you, kid.  You spoke your mind fearlessly.  I hope you find some peace.</p>
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<p>Amen.</p>
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		<title>By: Mandrake</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/29/play-it-again-slam/#comment-725494</link>
		<dc:creator>Mandrake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:21:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cindy Sheehan on Randi Rhodes now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cindy Sheehan on Randi Rhodes now.</p>
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		<title>By: earlofhuntingdon</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/29/play-it-again-slam/#comment-725481</link>
		<dc:creator>earlofhuntingdon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 20:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Newt makes Major Strasser look like a stand-up guy.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/29/play-it-again-slam/#comment-725452</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-725424&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Petrocelli @ 143&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
Hey Hugh, How’s it goin’, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
I wonder what you think of this … could it be the Dems have seen the writing on the wall … that they will be impeaching Bush/Cheney in ‘08 and are shoring up their defenses for the elections?&lt;br /&gt;
They take away the Reps talking points on being weak on terror, supporting the troops, knowing they will rout the Reps in the election when all the dirt becomes visible to American voters.&lt;br /&gt;
Politics is a dirty business.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Bush and Cheney should be impeached.  That said barring a precipitating factor like a really stupid war with Iran, I doubt that it will happen.  More likely they will simply run out the clock.  Iraq and a general rejection of the Bush years are what will drive the 2008 elections. Democrats would be wise to run on the simple platform that they are not Republicans, i.e. the party that has brought nothing but 8 years of disaster to the country.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-725424"><em>Petrocelli @ 143</em></a></p>
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Hey Hugh, How’s it goin’, eh?<br />
I wonder what you think of this … could it be the Dems have seen the writing on the wall … that they will be impeaching Bush/Cheney in ‘08 and are shoring up their defenses for the elections?<br />
They take away the Reps talking points on being weak on terror, supporting the troops, knowing they will rout the Reps in the election when all the dirt becomes visible to American voters.<br />
Politics is a dirty business.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Bush and Cheney should be impeached.  That said barring a precipitating factor like a really stupid war with Iran, I doubt that it will happen.  More likely they will simply run out the clock.  Iraq and a general rejection of the Bush years are what will drive the 2008 elections. Democrats would be wise to run on the simple platform that they are not Republicans, i.e. the party that has brought nothing but 8 years of disaster to the country.</p>
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		<title>By: VictorLaszlo</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/29/play-it-again-slam/#comment-725441</link>
		<dc:creator>VictorLaszlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:26:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, yes, that whole “Rick” thing.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I’m pleased to inform you that Ilsa and I have moved past all that, and we’re very happy now.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thank you so much for bringing this up again.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, yes, that whole “Rick” thing.</p>
<p>I’m pleased to inform you that Ilsa and I have moved past all that, and we’re very happy now.</p>
<p>Thank you so much for bringing this up again.</p>
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		<title>By: PLovering</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/29/play-it-again-slam/#comment-725435</link>
		<dc:creator>PLovering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-725332&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;old gold @ 97&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;115 American soldiers and marines have been killed in Iraq this month. &lt;a href=&quot;http://icasualties.org/oif/&quot;&gt;http://icasualties.org/oif/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;
This is madness.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The medics save 9 soldiers out of every ten wounded.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;9 x 115 =  ((( OMG )))&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-725332"><em>old gold @ 97</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>115 American soldiers and marines have been killed in Iraq this month. <a href="http://icasualties.org/oif/">http://icasualties.org/oif/</a><br />
This is madness.</p>
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<p>The medics save 9 soldiers out of every ten wounded.  </p>
<p>9 x 115 =  ((( OMG )))</p>
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		<title>By: Petrocelli</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/29/play-it-again-slam/#comment-725424</link>
		<dc:creator>Petrocelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-725420&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Hugh @ 142&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-725409&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mandrake @ 136&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have to say, in defense of the Dems (please, no rotten tomatoes!) that they knew they would face an all-out media onslaught of enormous proportions with the message that they abandoned the troops pounded home 24/7.  The msm is still run by Pub proponents (corporations) and they, apparently, are not ready to cut their losses yet.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Again to bring up Glenn Greenwald, he has addressed how the funding issue is bogus and how many Democrats have bought into it.  I think this is what she should attack.  I am dumbfounded when I see Joe Biden stand up and say he voted for the supplemental because he would do nothing to endanger the troops.  But it’s still OK by him to leave them sitting in the middle of a bloody and pointless civil war in Iraq.  We need to repeat the message until it takes that the troops will be funded and that anyone who says they support the troops should be doing everything possible to get them out of Iraq immediately.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Hey Hugh, How’s it goin’, eh?&lt;br /&gt;
I wonder what you think of this … could it be the Dems have seen the writing on the wall … that they will be impeaching Bush/Cheney in ‘08 and are shoring up their defenses for the elections?&lt;br /&gt;
They take away the Reps talking points on being weak on terror, supporting the troops, knowing they will rout the Reps in the election when all the dirt becomes visible to American voters.&lt;br /&gt;
Politics is a dirty business.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-725420"><em>Hugh @ 142</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-725409"><em>Mandrake @ 136</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I have to say, in defense of the Dems (please, no rotten tomatoes!) that they knew they would face an all-out media onslaught of enormous proportions with the message that they abandoned the troops pounded home 24/7.  The msm is still run by Pub proponents (corporations) and they, apparently, are not ready to cut their losses yet.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Again to bring up Glenn Greenwald, he has addressed how the funding issue is bogus and how many Democrats have bought into it.  I think this is what she should attack.  I am dumbfounded when I see Joe Biden stand up and say he voted for the supplemental because he would do nothing to endanger the troops.  But it’s still OK by him to leave them sitting in the middle of a bloody and pointless civil war in Iraq.  We need to repeat the message until it takes that the troops will be funded and that anyone who says they support the troops should be doing everything possible to get them out of Iraq immediately.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Hey Hugh, How’s it goin’, eh?<br />
I wonder what you think of this … could it be the Dems have seen the writing on the wall … that they will be impeaching Bush/Cheney in ‘08 and are shoring up their defenses for the elections?<br />
They take away the Reps talking points on being weak on terror, supporting the troops, knowing they will rout the Reps in the election when all the dirt becomes visible to American voters.<br />
Politics is a dirty business.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/29/play-it-again-slam/#comment-725420</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 19:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-725409&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Mandrake @ 136&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have to say, in defense of the Dems (please, no rotten tomatoes!) that they knew they would face an all-out media onslaught of enormous proportions with the message that they abandoned the troops pounded home 24/7.  The msm is still run by Pub proponents (corporations) and they, apparently, are not ready to cut their losses yet.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Again to bring up Glenn Greenwald, he has addressed how the funding issue is bogus and how many Democrats have bought into it.  I think this is what she should attack.  I am dumbfounded when I see Joe Biden stand up and say he voted for the supplemental because he would do nothing to endanger the troops.  But it’s still OK by him to leave them sitting in the middle of a bloody and pointless civil war in Iraq.  We need to repeat the message until it takes that the troops will be funded and that anyone who says they support the troops should be doing everything possible to get them out of Iraq immediately.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-725409"><em>Mandrake @ 136</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I have to say, in defense of the Dems (please, no rotten tomatoes!) that they knew they would face an all-out media onslaught of enormous proportions with the message that they abandoned the troops pounded home 24/7.  The msm is still run by Pub proponents (corporations) and they, apparently, are not ready to cut their losses yet.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Again to bring up Glenn Greenwald, he has addressed how the funding issue is bogus and how many Democrats have bought into it.  I think this is what she should attack.  I am dumbfounded when I see Joe Biden stand up and say he voted for the supplemental because he would do nothing to endanger the troops.  But it’s still OK by him to leave them sitting in the middle of a bloody and pointless civil war in Iraq.  We need to repeat the message until it takes that the troops will be funded and that anyone who says they support the troops should be doing everything possible to get them out of Iraq immediately.</p>
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