Reader Lou Costello caught this recent piece by Jeffrey Goldberg in The New Yorker. It is an interesting read, not the least of which because I'm having trouble figuring out just exactly what perspective Mr. Goldberg is trying to have come out on top, if any.
Disillusionment with the Administration has become widespread among the conservatives who once were Bush’s strongest supporters. Mickey Edwards, a former Republican congressman from Oklahoma, said recently, “The Republican Administration has shown itself to be completely incompetent to the point that, of Republicans in Iowa, fifty-two per cent thought we should be out of Iraq in six months.” Edwards, who left Congress in 1993 and now teaches at Princeton, is helping to lead an effort among some conservatives to curtail the President’s power in such areas as warrantless wiretapping. “This Administration is beyond the pale in terms of arrogance and incompetence,” he said. “This guy thinks he’s a monarch, and that’s scary as hell.” The grievances against the Administration seem limitless. Many congressional Republicans, for instance, were upset that Bush waited to fire Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld until after the midterm elections.
Even if events in Iraq do eventually turn in the direction that the Administration hopes, history is weighted against the Republicans. Only once since the death of Franklin Roosevelt has a party kept the Presidency for three consecutive terms—when George H. W. Bush defeated Michael Dukakis, in 1988. Bush the Elder, though, had the advantage of being Ronald Reagan’s Vice-President, and Reagan, despite being damaged by the Iran-Contra scandal, was greatly esteemed by his party. Few of the men running now for the Republican nomination are likely to embrace George W. Bush’s record. “If the Democrats can’t win the Presidency in 2008, they’ll never win the Presidency,” David Keene, the chairman of the American Conservative Union, said not long ago.
And now Karl Rove, the man Bush has called his “boy genius,” is among those being blamed by conservatives for the Party’s problems—blame that he shares with others who have attempted to transform the party. One is Newt Gingrich, the strategist behind the 1994 Republican takeover of Congress, who could not hold together his coalition, and resigned. (Gingrich also faced ethics problems—he was accused of using tax-deductible donations for political purposes.) Another is Tom DeLay, who served as House whip under Gingrich and became Majority Leader under Gingrich’s successor, Dennis Hastert, and who left facing charges relating to campaign finance. Perhaps most of all, conservatives blame Rove’s boss, George W. Bush.
Goldberg alternates from claiming that Republicans no longer want to listen to Karl Rove to asserting that Rove's "cleverness, combined with his joie de combat, that made him insufferable to Democrats." (Note to Goldberg: no, it was his propensity to break the law, not give a shit about the consequences of his actions, and then his sick need to gloat about the media not giving a rats ass about covering the details that pissed us off. Try talking to a Democrat next time before you write about what they think.) He also suffers from the same Janus'ed eye toward Tom DeLay: "guardian of conservative ideals" or, as Dick Armey puts it, "keeping the majority was about keeping power for himself." (Armey would know, having had his ass shoved out the door by an over-eager DeLay back in the day.)
But it is the sloppy, wet kisses for Gingrich that raised my hackles:
Gingrich’s ego is robust—Barack Obama is not the only national politician to fashion himself as an inheritor of Lincoln’s mantle. He seems convinced that the Republican Party’s salvation lies in his fecund mind, and believes that truly transformative conservative ideas, when well articulated, will be enough to attract large majorities. He cited global warming as an example. Very few Republicans these days talk about global warming as a reality, the way Gingrich does. Before a recent debate on Capitol Hill with John Kerry (reporters were promised a “smack-down”), Kerry seemed flustered when Gingrich shifted the debate from the basic science to a discussion of market-based solutions to the problem. Gingrich explained it this way: “There’s a short-term way out of this and a long-term way out of this. The long-term way is to create a new intellectual battleground, which you can’t do if you start out by saying ‘No, no, no, no, no.’ But if you say, ‘O.K., let’s talk about, for example, how you best have conservation in America, do you think trial lawyers, regulators, bureaucrats, and higher taxes are the answer, then you ought to be with Al Gore. If you think that markets, incentives, prizes, and entrepreneurs are the answer, you ought to be with us.’ ”
I asked Gingrich if it was a mistake to appeal to the religious-conservative base of the Party on such issues as the fate of Terri Schiavo, a woman who was living in a persistent vegetative state. In 2005, Republicans—supported by, among others, DeLay, and the former Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist—engineered quick passage of a special law requiring that Schiavo be kept on a feeding tube, against her husband’s wishes but in accord with her parents’ demands and the demands of many evangelicals and conservative Catholics. (Frist, a physician, diagnosed Schiavo, noting that she was “clearly responsive,” after watching her on videotape.) The courts intervened, and the feeding tube that kept Schiavo alive was removed; she died thirteen days afterward. That episode, though, frightened members of what the anti-tax agitator Grover Norquist calls the “leave-me-alone coalition.” It certainly frightened centrists, without whom neither party could flourish.
No one says "religious right friendly" so much as an unctuous, twice-divorced man, who left both wives while they were ill and facing life-threatening diseases, who has a penchant for inflated ego-indulging self-aggrandizing suck-up-ery, and who got run out of a corrupt party for being the most debauched of all at his highest moment on the political stage. Boy howdy, if that is the best the GOP can do for strategic thinking and values marketing, someone pass me the popcorn.
It is worth a mention that Goldberg himself is no stranger to the word "controversy." Having served as the Eve to Judy Miller's Chalabi apologia performances as our gal Margot, Goldberg deserves at least as much credit for whipping up the horses in front of the Bush Administration's Iraq war chariot back in those heady days perfumed with mushroom clouds. Goldberg was the oil that greased a number of skids all on his own without Judy's help, let's say, but he hasn't gotten nearly as much scrutiny for this as he ought.
To say that Goldberg's perspective in all of this deserves as much scrutiny in all of this as what he's actually saying and quoting is an understatement. On the whole, the piece appears to benefit Gingrich, at least in my first read through. But if that is the case, is Newt eyeing Rove's substantial political consulting income and empire — or is he covetous of a more oval office? Interesting that just under the surface of the GOP these days is a rapidly rising boil. Today's boil just happens to be named Newt. Again.
(Yes, it's really an excuse to use a Casablanca clip. You caught me. But the fundamental things do apply here: the interviewer and the interviewees in The New Yorker piece all have some history that factors in a large way. As time goes by, we'd all do well to remember that certain devils can always be found in the details. Enjoy the clip — it is Ingrid Bergman at her most radiant, and I have always loved this song. "The fundamental things apply, as time goes by…")



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The Media Matters analysis of who is described as “religious” in the media is also enlightening.
Oh, and can I mention that Michael Ledeen is one of the biggest and most dishonest assholes in America?
The point perhaps to be made is that today’s “conservatives” are anything but conservative.
It’s a clumsy attempt to salvage conservatism from this mess. As Digby as pointed out, conservatism can never be failed — except by liberalism. All Republicans who can’t govern are ultimately labelled as “not a true conservative.”
And so it goes, forever. Goldberg is probably dimly realizing that Bush and Rove are hung solidly around the necks of all Republicans.
Oh, and if the Dems can’t win the presidency in ‘08, it will be because of voter fraud.
I wonder if Rove thinks his influence is diminishing.
AZ Matt at 6 – If he does, he sure as hell isn’t going to act like it in front of a reporter, now is he? Even a friendly one. Sheesh.
Your thoughts on Newt running?
Mine are;
Run Newt Run!
Spend tons of dough doing it too!
Creep.
THX for the h/t CHS, I thought you’d find that interesting.
OT ~ My latest outrage: Sheehan quits as face of US anti-war fight. God Bless you Cindy ~ PEACE!
Good morning from L.A. The “once in a blue moon” sleeping-in occured this a.m….
Excellent post, CHS. I spoke w/some very conservative Repubs while camping upstate this past weekend who are utterly disgusted w/Bush’s foreign & domestic policy, as well as the mountain of debt he has buried the U.S. under. 4-5 of them were retired & active duty military from Vandenburg AFB.
BTW, my Dad, rest his soul, was a great one for whistling. His favorite tune- As Time Goes By. Learned to play it on the piano just to see him smile when he heard it…
Christy Hardin Smith @ 7
True, he would never admit it but he will know himself.
zed-free since….
Since the GOPer’s are trying o distance themselves from the good works of Bush and Rove my concern is how the Democratic Party going to keep them firmly tied to the same. It seems like too often the Dem message get garbled. Bush needs to be super-duper glued to the conservatives. Bush’s face tatooed on them if necessary.
AZ Matt @ 6
i really doubt that Rover’s influence OR his effectiveness has really diminished all that much…because we–the People–have no way of knowing how many pies he’s had his greasy thumb in…
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Are the missing emails still missing? I mean 18 1/2 minutes of erasure did the ‘tricky boy’ in. What gives?
The dirty little secret, Marie at 10. Everybody just wants this admin GONE. Everybody knows what f*ckups they’ve been.
Includingespecially the military and their families. That’s why Card got the reaction he did at UMass. That’s why Chee-knee got the tepid response at the military academy.That’s why the polling numbers on people already following the campaign at 73% may have surprised the Russerts of the world, but not those of us in Reality America.
Enjoyed the clip, best movie ever …. Ingrid Bergman is amazing and Bogart too. the song is timeless! Movie has something for everyone.
what do you think of the anti-Cindy Sheehan comments from DU and “other” progressive sites? I hope FDL is not one.
Is there any chance of upcoming good political news? I’m feeling a bit dragged down.
From a legal perspective, does Luskin have to
turn over the e-mails or can he claim lawyer/client privilege?
AZ Matt @ 13
I was just thinking the same thing. In light of last weeks chaos, the Dems have to unite and get really strong from now on or we’re going to have 8 more years of neocon rule, and that will do us all in.
I agree, it’s a lame attempt from conservatives to claim Bush is not one of them. I have a friend, once a kool aid drinker, a rushbot, who spouted the daily talking points. He became disillusioned a year ago, coming to see the light about Bush/Cheney.
Unfortunately, I think he must still be listening to one of these talking heads who claim Bush is not a conservative or a republican. He tried to convince me that true conservatives were not the problem, just Bush. I had to set him straight and poke holes in every talking point he made.
I admire Ms. Sheehan. And I intend to keep my party’s feet, not ‘to the fire’, but in the fire. Same with their chestnuts, etc.
From now until November 08 (and perhaps beyond) it’s the goopers that are the most interesting to watch in my opinion.
They built a psyche of “victory” on a stolen base in 2000 and homer umps in 2004- leading them to believe that they were invincable. Now- having has their ass handed to them once- and facing a probable second drubbing- they’re at the brink of finding someone to blame for their fall from grace.
Will they seriously reconstitute themselves- or will they beat hell out of one another for a while and go back to Rove’s old coalition (religious right and fiscal conservatives)? Pretty interesting stuff. One thing that they have accomplished is to totally destroy the moderate wing of the party- the one that they may need the most right now if they slip into strong minority status.
Wouldn’t want the gig resurrecting them.
Bill @ 17
Cindy Sheehan served as honorable a tour of duty as her son, Casey. She’s earned the right to go home.
EPU’d response to OK kiddo. I am re-posting b/c I have a question for more astute readers than I:
This expresses exactly how I felt and feel about her vote and the pro-war stance she took until it’s popularity took a nose dive, only stopping to criticize the way the war was run.
My father debated with me on this over the weekend, saying that all members of Congress did not have access to the NIE or any similar intelligence, only those on the Intellligence Committee. Can anyone clarify?
OT: (more relevant to the previous thread, but there it is)
if you need sumpin nauseating to clear out the excesses of barbeque and beans clotting your digestive system since saturday night, go read the comments about Cindy Sheehan’s withdrawal from the publis stage.
count me among those who think Newton Leroy Gingrich is definitely covetous of a more oval office
believe he hopes to step in and posture himself as “savior” to the Republican Party and conservative movement when the Repub frontrunners fail to get any traction outside the base
rwcole @ 23
Never forget who Bush labelled as his base: the haves and the have-mores. And why the Dems didn’t blast that videoclip during ‘04 is totally beyond me.
Prairie Sunshine @ 24
but it is a shame that she is doing so for the reason that she is. A very, very sad commentary on the state of this country that a grieving mother is vilified while ONE THIRD of the f****g population still thinks that this lying, murdering asshole IS DOING A GOOD JOB.
Um, I don’t think Newtie is gunning for Bush’s job OR Rove’s. I think he’s doing the same thing he did in 1998 and 1999–he’s hogging the spotlight and using the media (He was pretty open about the fact that he was using the media back then.) in order to shill his books, and then he’s chortling all the way to the bank.
because they–well, the DLC–have made a faustian bargain in which they have to to appeal to–and win donations from–that same base, mebbe?
It’s the conservatives who are endangered species right now. They know that there will be a lot of pissing and moaning and blaming during the next year or two- and that in the end- the party will be strongly tempted to move toward the middle (left of course). The war to prevent that (preemptive strike) is what we are seeing now (conservative thought didn’t lose- Bush lost- and he ain’t a conservative.)
The fact that they feel the need to say that shows how much fear is coursing through their veins.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 22
Especially if the Dem leadership starts to lapse into nuance. Nuance be damned, there is no point in going after people who aren’t ever going to vote with us .
To see how complicit the media was in the lead up to the Iraq war, and how they influenced and spread the lies. When you see it all together in the clip at the link below, it is really shocking. It is narrated by Sean Penn:
http://www.warmadeeasy.com/
It’s normal for the party that just lost to move toward the center to shave off some moderates from the other camp. It’s kinda poltics 101. It isn’t always the right thing to do- but it’s what usually happens- with either party.
Ummm, yeah, that’s always worked in the past.
Why, indeed, must we continue to be assaulted by this putrid mass of flesh simply because he likes to talk about running for president? The man was disgraced, the man is a disgrace. He is the poster child for the hypocrisy of the Repubican party. The WH has the nerve to talk about Carter being irrelevant. I can think of no one, with the exception of the current Republican candidates, more irrelevant to the times.
But, go ahead Publicans, keep spinning your little corporatist dreams and deluding yourself while popular opinion speeds past you. I would love nothing more than for you all to wake up in a year, Twilight Zone-style, look around you, and wonder just what the hell happened.
Helpless Dancer @ 33
i wholly concur…
there is/was nothing nuanced whatsoever about the GOPuke talking point ‘we don’t want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.’
there were traces of nuance in the discussion the other day about GMOs; and i say, if it takes the threat of the destruction of the whole staple crop genome to occasion not just a debate about, but the out-right banning of genetically modified organisms in the food chain, then fuck nuance. Threaten!
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CHS – agreed, the Gingrich flattery was revolting. I would like nothing better than to have Gingrich as the Republican candidate for President – he of the Dickensian name and Pecksniffian morals, as Digby says, Run Newt Run!!! One of the seemingly unchallenged memes in the media is that of Gingrich as some sort of great thinker, he of the “fecund” mind. Aside from an undistinguished academic career in which he failed to get tenure, his “contributions” to the national dialogue are mostly a number of “what if” historical fantasies along the lines of what would have happened if the Nazis hadn’t been defeated in World War II, or if the Confederacy had won the Battle of Gettysburg (the snark in me has me wondering if this is all wishful thinking on Newt’s part). Yet he is portrayed by Tom Friedman and others as the “intellectual” of the Republican Party! The more the public sees of him, the more unpopular he becomes.
rwcole @ 31
rwcole @ 34
Tell em to stay over there, within eye sight and just out of kickin’ distance.
Are the Republicans, the Bush administration, and the neocons of today really conservatives?
Once I was under the impression that conservatives didn’t buy into foreign adventures and being the policemen of the world. Conservatives also believed in non-deficit spending and privacy, individual liberty, taxation with represention and separation of church and state. And checks and balances between the three branches of government.
Call me sentimental, but the scene where Ingrid Bergman bids goodbye to Bogey is the most passionate I have ever seen.
The love she feels for him, coupled with the realization that she will never be able to express that love for him again … IMO expresses more love and emotion than any other. Ingrid Bergman’s expressions in that scene made me forget that she was acting. Bogey’s partial stroke, which gave him that wooden, “manly” look was a brilliant contrast to hers. My fav. movie of all time.
Christy, I must protest using a clip from Casablanca in a post about Newt … unless you intended to draw a comparison between a great actor (Bogey) and a poor one (Newt and his band of merrymen).
Unless they can resurrect Lincoln, the Reps are not winning the next election.
I’ve thinking about a way organizing these events that is disturbingly neat.
As Americans we tend to think that, whatever our differences, we all share deep down a fundamental respect for
the democratic constitutional foundation of things that are America– rule of law, representative democracy fairness. Further, we don’t want to go too
crazy breaking down the restraints on power, because we know that eventually the other guys will have their turn at it.
Thus scandals will turn out to small-scale and disorganized, localized eruptions of venality of immorality.
Imagine, however, if the people with whom we are dealing imagine themselves to be Nietzcheian (or Randian) bermensch (Supermen)
discarding the mushy thinking of the lesser people and exercising, purely “Der Wille zur Macht” (the Will to Power)?
Suddenly seemingly unrelated things snap into place– become simply logical to the clear-thinking bermensch:
Embargo presidential records? That is no longer evidence of a paranoid personality, but just planning, since you fully intend to do things that lesser people will think illegal.
Worry about the precedents when the other guys take power? No worries, you just have to be absolutely sure that they will never take power. Half-measures are illogical and fatal to the plan. Take over the DOJ, and hold on regardless of appearances: essential. Infiltrate all other government agencies: obvious. The judiciary: essential. Control electronic voting machines: worth a hell of a try. Establish a captive state media that shamelessly distorts fact and emphasis: step 1. The list goes on and on of things that are just logical to one who has Der Wille zur Mach, and which we have seen in the news lately.
I’ve always been highly suspicious of conspiracy theories, but I think this a working hypothesis that deserves testing. It neatly renders a lot of events that were unlikely or bizarre…reasonable and predictable
“Play it again Sam” is actually said in Moonraker (1979) after about 49 minutes, but in Casablanca (1942) the line is “Play it, Sam.”.
The original line is further used/abused in What’s Up Doc (1972) and in Ernest Goes To Jail (1990).
Prairie Sunshine @ 24
Absolutely. I don’t blame her one bit. She’s done all she can, physically and emotionally. She deserves a rest. I can’t believe she is being attacked from the left.
Thom Hartmann is covering this right now on his show.
Mandrake @ 36
“putrid mass of flesh” indeed. Tres well put.
But after all, maybe to the rest of these brain dead, braying buffoons, he IS an intellectual.
Someone once said, “A fool will always find a greater fool to admire him.”
Cindy Sheehan has bigger balls than any Neocon I ever saw.
A lot of the strategic political debate mirrors a marketing debate that I’ve heard a zillion times- “Should we go after existing market share- or try to enlarge the market”
It’s always tempting to try to enlarge the market- I was with an auto parts company who spent millions tryin to get women into the stores for example. Unfortunately- the dire fact is that it costs ten times more (at least) to convert a customer as it costs to steal one- and that’s what successful companies do. Supermarkets steal em back and forthe WEEKLY.
The political analogue is that you have to spend zillions of dollars and hours to get a few more people who don’t currently vote out to pull the lever for you- wheras it’s much cheaper and easier to take a few votes from the moderate wing of the opposing party.
Ahh, a straw man for Al Gore, and the mythological free market fairy for the Newt.
People don’t remember how Ronald Wilson Reagan (666) busted the budget. HW Bush ended up holding the bag (not that there’s any reason to feel sorry for him, seeing as he was the Veep during the time).
If you elect politicians who believe that government is inherently bad, you get bad government.
I swan i do NOT know what on earth it is that suggests the Very Right wing of the Party of Property is in retreat…
only a few of the minor minions of the Regime are now imprisoned; the AttyGen openly scoffs at Congress; the imperialistic occupation of Iraq continues unabated–it has INCREASED, if anything; profits for energy companies increase exponentially while workers’ income stagnates or declines, in real terms; the main candidates of the putative ‘opposition’ are crawling all over one another NOT to insult the Regime and its sycophants; the Busheviks may still venture forth from their hide-outs without fear of being heaped in feces and offal; the corpoRat/State media still faithfully repeat and uncritically elaborate the Regimes messages…
seems like bushevik bidness as usual, to me…
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‘Nuance’ to me is something like a wink and a nudge. It’s meaningful to the in-group, and lost on the rest: reading-between-the-lines stuff where only a few know where the lines are.
To the candidates and their
overpaidconsultants: say what you mean, and say it clearly, or be prepared to lose. Because I don’t do ‘nuance’ and I’m tired of guessing what you mean.Personally, I love reading semi-reality-based stuff like the above post by Goldberg. Let ‘em babble on and move to the center. More for us next cycle.
Prairie Sunshine @ 28
Could not agree more with both comments.
This person appears to qualify as a good subject for psychiatric evaluation, no? Would one expect to find a psychosis, sociopathic behavior? It’s writings seem to show concern only with the process. There doesn’t appear to be any regard for the dead, or those under the bus.
what kind of a thing disregards the fact that the people it is writing about are war criminals and felons first, and ignores the humans affected?
and thanks to Cindy. Much like Mr. Bush’s recruitment of terawrists for his company Al Qaida, she will influence thousands to take to the streets and the houses of state governments to watch and report.
Captain Renault: What in heaven’s name brought you to Casablanca?
Rick: The waters. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
Captain Renault: The waters! What waters? We are in the desert.
Rick: I was misinformed.
It seems that is how Americans often find themselves in Arab deserts.
Sorry about this EPU note but…
I am troubled by the man hating nautre of the post at the Whedon Site. It makes men out to be rapers (by nature) and woman are nurturing (by nature). Respectfully, I submit that is a load of Cr#p! These stereo types are not unlike racial or ethnic stereo types. i.e untrue and inappropriate. They are born out of some anecdotal evidence from someone’s sister’s niece. It makes humans inhumane, and does little to propel active discussions. I truly pity the author of that piece b/c with a thought process like that, she’s not likely to be very happy in life.
What conservatives don’t want to face is that Bush did not run as a conservative in 2000. He ran as a moderate. The notion that his non-victory showed the strong conservative bias of the country has ALWAYS been a myth.
One of the biggest downsides of hubris is that it leads to piss poor decisions- and the goopers are tryin their best to make another one.
If the goopers run a true conservative in 08- he will get the shit kicked out of him.
Christy:
It’s possible that Goldberg himself is somewhat confused about his own positions on matters at hand, that he hasn’t thought things through clearly. There are often contradictions among–and also within–his articles in The New Yorker.
skilly at 55 — Joss Whedon is a man. Was the producer and writer of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Firefly, among other things.
Biodun at 57 — Yes, there is a lot of possibility for that, I think.
When Jim Inhof jumps ship this Okie will be satisfied that the Republican machine has breathed its last breath.
imho, there aren’t any ‘true’ conservatives in the Very Right Wing of the Property Party…they’re ‘movement’ conservatives, and ’social/values’ conservatives…
the pukes are gonna a war-campaign in ‘08…
that means a campaign which is based on fear, fear, and more fear…
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tokin
Well the gooper candidates are all kissin the ass of the failed war at the moment- cause primary voters are still suckin at that teat. They’ll have to change for the general election. I am waiting with bated breath to see how the candidate manages to turn a battleship 180 degrees in a month or two.
They will NOT run on the war in 08- it’s certain death.
Thom Hartmann on the Publican strategy for ‘08.
snip
AP – President Bush attacked opponents of an immigration deal Tuesday, suggesting they “don’t want to do what’s right for America.”
OKK at 64 — Well, that ought to make Tom Tancredo and pals happy, oughtn’t it? *G*
“When Congressman Newt Gingrich was a graduate student at Tulane University, I baptized him by immersion into the membership of the St. Charles Avenue Baptist Church. Perhaps I didn’t hold him under long enough.” –The Rev. G. Avery Lee, Letter to Time
In order to take back our country we need to Impeach Cheney and then Bush!
Please print out the form to get signatures to Impeach Cheney!
Impeach Cheney
In the interests of civility and heterosexuality, I have to agree with Scott Lemieux, agreeing with The General on this one. Ahem. (WARNING: Remove all beverages from your vicinity before clicking links.)
Somewhat on topic:
As we try to sort things out for 2008, at least more clearly than Goldberg’s somewhat hazy grasp of issues and political positions and interests and investments, I urge FDLers who haven’t done so already to look at Pach’s fascinating and cogent analysis of the three parties currently operating in the US, with interests and investments that do not necessarily coincide with the current configurations and contours of the Republican and Democratic parties as we have come to know them over the years.
Pach identifies and articulates these three defacto parties as:
DC/K Street Elites
Grassroots Theocrats (which perhaps has sustained minimal damage with the passing of Jerry Falwell)
Grassroots Progressives
AZ Matt @ 13
Cheney wants to conquer Iraq and invade Iran.
Those two-faced, democratic squids Emanuel, Schumer, Clinton, and other dembulbs also want to conquer Iraq and invade Iran. Nothing garbled about their message.
Let’s give it up for Ron Paul!
alert: unclog the toobz –
punaise at 70 — Dang — where’s Ed*ard Teller when we need him?
And speaking of Newt, Walter Shapiro in Salon sees Newt’s just-published novel, Pearl Harbor, as the key to whether Newt is “covetous of a more oval office” (as Christy put it elegantly above):
Christy – I can hear ET blaring a clarion call on his bugle as we speak. :~)
punaise @ 71
heh, heh, heh
Hope you’re sweatin’ Ted
punaise @ 71
You could knock me over with a feather!
My question all along has been why do conservatives and people with Republican values have allowed this Administration to get away with murder from day one in the name of Conservatism?
It is easy to see why progressives hate this Administration, but it is more baffling that so few Republicans have stood up to the largest rate of ncrease in national debt, the most government intrusions into people’s private business, and the most expensive (in every sense: lives, dollars, security, and World Standing) nation building excercise in a place where we were not invited, were not wanted and had no business being in in the first place.
Republicans, like most Americans, were left hungry for revenge after 9/11 and bought all the BS. After the “six weeks, I doubt six months” that Bush just about promised through Rumsfeld failed to materialize, how long is it going to take real conservatives and real Republicans to stand up and point the finger at the fake conservatives/Republicans in charge? I know the Republicans in Congress are probably going to stand up soon, but they are doing it only to save their skins.
AZ Matt @ 13
Got to keep it front & center that all those good conservative GOPers rubberstamped EVERYTHING and provided oversight on NOTHING for 6 whole years.
I would enjoy seeing Gingrich run. He is among the most entertaining of the goopers.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 58
CHristy,
According to the web site, Joss is a man but the site was created by and run by a woman.
http://whedonesque.com/?read=about
You may be right that it was written by Joss Whedon himself, but I am not so sure.
It would be like Gingrich to resurrect WW2 in terms of arguing for a “muscular” foreign policy while at the same time kickin Clusterfuck in the nuts for fuckin up the war. He is able to keep many seemingly contradictory positions running in harness.
Boehner is dreaming if he thinks the Democrats have “gone to far”. He really does not get it that Republicans (30% voted for Strickland for Governor of Ohio) Democrats and Independents alike are tired of the death, destruction in Iraq, the lies, deceit and the endless stream of corruption that our nation has been witness to during the Bush administrations reign.
Americans are rising above party lines, we want leaders that stand for something besides investigating lies under oath about a blow job. We want reps who apply the “rule of law” to critical issues facing our nation. Americans want to witness those responsible for starting an unnecessary war held ACCOUNTABLE. Boehner needs to get out of his office and out on the streets more. The American people are pissed about this administration and the Republicans rubber stamp for 6 years.
Biodun @ 69
Thank you for this – it was remedial homework for me, and I’ve saved Pac’s Grassroots Progressives description for future reference.
As Shapiro sees it, Newt would probably straddle the first two parties that Pach outlines:
It’s tough these days to be a Republican…possessed of a love-hate relationship with Rove, Cheney, and Dubya, championed by the likes of Gingrich and DeLay, having to support policies that are pretty deeply unpopular…’Conservative intellectualism’ has shown to be, at best, an oxymoron intended to provide cover for stripping away our freedom and acts of greed, racism, and misogyny. Given a choice between admitting they’re wrong and jumping from one sinking ship to the next sinking ship, they wonder why they keep getting wet…
The right-whinge’s front-runners for the ‘08 Presidency are Giuliani, McCain, and Mitt Romney, all which have issues appealing to the ‘legions’ of religious-conservative voters. Your B-team candidates are generally an assortment of kooks with little chance of winning a national election without the commission of massive voter fraud…Not that fraud’s out of the question, mind you…
Then there’s the national debt, a slow-meat-grinder-and-fast-dollar-burner of an occupation in Iraq, and corruption, corruption, hyper-partisanship, and more corruption. Oh, and gas prices are way up, income for the average Joe hasn’t risen, blue- and white-collar jobs are being shipped overseas to be replaced with McJobs…Need I go on?
If it wasn’t for much of the Right’s spectacular level of comfort with cognitive dissonance, we’d see more slow-motion meltdowns like Goldberg’s.
wrb @ 42
And if all else fails, put in place a plan to seize absolute control, in the case of a ‘national emergency’ as defined by the president.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 71
Hey Christy, meant to ask you if you think investigations into corruption have picked up speed?
Not to disparage the white hats, but have been wondering if they were being suppressed by black hats inside the DOJ until the dam broke with the testimony of DOJ officials regarding the USA dismissals…
We are waiting for those responsible for the false pre-war intelligence to be held accountable! We are waiting for Phase II
Rockefeller and Bond Announce Committee Completes Section of Phase II Looking at Accuracy of Pre-War Intelligence on Post-War Iraq
–Report to be Sent for Declassification and Could be Released Within Weeks–
Washington, DC – The Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, Senator John D. (Jay) Rockefeller IV, and the Vice Chairman, Senator Kit Bond, announced today that the Committee has adopted its Phase II report on prewar intelligence assessments about postwar Iraq. The Committee will submit the report to the Director of National Intelligence for classification review. Following declassification, the Committee will release the report to the public.
The Senate Intelligence Committee released their first report dealing with Intelligence Community failures related to Iraq’s weapons capabilities on July 9, 2004. The findings and recommendations of that report were an important impetus leading to landmark legislation reforming the United States Intelligence Community.
Last fall, the Committee released reports on two of the five sections of Phase II: 1) the postwar findings about Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction and weapons programs and links to terrorism and how they compare with prewar assessments; and 2) the use by the Intelligence Community of information provided by the Iraqi National Congress.
Contact: Wendy Morigi (Rockefeller) (202) 224-6101;
Shana Marchio (Bond) (202) 224-0309
Tuesday, May 8, 2007
Rayne at 86 — You know, it is tough to say, given the sheer number of corruption investigations and their interwoven targets these days, it is all I can do to keep any sense of where things are with a lot of them. It does seem like they are garnering more headlines these days — but a lot of that may be the tag-teaming effect of Congressional oversight into related matters, too, and thus the DoJ folks are being asked for quotes on the cases.
Read this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05…..ref=slogin
Bacevich WaPo chat today:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..01446.html
Outlook: Iraq Casualty, Protestor Father Both Doing Their Duty
Andrew J. Bacevich
Professor, Boston University
Tuesday, May 29, 2007; 12:00 PM
When my son was killed in Iraq earlier this month at 27, I found myself pondering my responsibility for his death. Among the hundreds of messages that my wife and I have received, two bore directly on this question. Each one held me personally culpable, insisting that my public opposition to the war had provided aid and comfort to the enemy.
What exactly is a father’s duty when his son is sent into harm’s way? Among the many ways to answer that question, mine was this one: As my son was doing his utmost to be a good soldier, I strove to be a good citizen.
Boston University professor Andrew J. Bacevich will be online Tuesday, May 29 at noon ET to discuss his Sunday Outlook article on the loss of his son, anti-war protests and civic duty.
His original article is here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..02032.html
Peace
Seems that the revolutionary Clusterfuckers pissed off most of the people at:
1) Defense
2) CIA
3) Justice
4) EPA
and perhaps in other places as well. This created a small army of anti-clusterfuckers waiting for a good opportunity to draw blood. It’s dangerous for the career types to lob any grenades- but as “The days dwindle down to a precious few” they will gain courage. Could see some spectacular fireworks from here on out.
Helpless Dancer @ 33
George W. Bush is the one who disdains nuance. We should not fall into the same simple-minded thought processes. One of the reasons for the monumental screw-up in Iraq was an utter failure to deal with nuance.
An inability to deal with nuance also condemns Bush’s policies about Iran to failure. Iranians are masters of nuance, and they make Bush look like the simpleton that he is.
It may be the case that there is no point in going after people who aren’t ever going to vote with us, but I think we make a mistake if we define that category to include anyone who disagrees with us about anything.
Bob in HI
Newsweek has a piece up on the Iranian involvement in Iraq. It begins as a layout of all the usual charges and then tries for balance by bringing up Bush’s plan to destabilize Iran, questioning whether either plan is effective.
I found the article irritating because it sells itself on the basis of references to a secret Iranian “Department 9000″. Ooh, how super secret agenty. As well, the case against Iran is made by 3 anonymous US officials so we know it must be truthful and objective, right?
It is only then below the fold as it were that Bush’s harassment plan is discussed as a reaction to a “covert war”. Well if it is a covert war, then Bush is justified, isn’t he, to raise the stakes? That’s what happens in wars. Except, wait a second, who came up with this covert war buzz?
That’s what really gets to the heart of this dimwitted, dishonest article. It’s not about a hyped up way for the kool kidz to make an in the know reference to a secret “Department 9000″. It’s a way of selling the Cheneyesque notion that war is not coming with Iran but that it has already begun. We just weren’t noticing. I do not accept this. Our bad relations with Iran which hve been going on for decades now and include violence and backstabbing on both sides is not the same as war, even a covert one. And the third rate reporter at Newsweek should know but obviously doesn’t know this. No, he would prefer to recycle the same old intelligence claptrap on Iran that got chopped to pieces when it first came out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18…../newsweek/
ST at 90 — You might have more people willing to read something if you gave them some idea what it is you were asking them to read. I’m just saying…
snip
link;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor…..699479.stm
OOOHHHH!
Straighten up or we won’t launder your money here anymore.
115 American soldiers and marines have been killed in Iraq this month. http://icasualties.org/oif/
This is madness.
“Bush disdains nuance”
Yeah- well he didn’t disdain it during the 2000 campaign- it would take an army of logicians and semantic specialists a hundred years to wade through his campaign speeches and figure out anything he intended to do- other than cutting taxes.
He epitomized the mush mouthed politician who managed to sound as if he was sayin somethin while commiting to nothing.
Mary McCurnin @ 67
Definitely not long enough. About 20 minutes would have been about right.
Kathleen at 88–Rockefeller family just completed its multi-year donation of Grand Teton acreage to the American people. See current Smithsonian magazine.
Legacy: Rockefeller family gives America Grand Teton National Park. And St. John VI national Park… and….
Legacy: Bush family gives America Dung-ya
Iranians have been pissed at us since the CIA gave em the Shah. We are now in the reactionary phase of that great american victory. We face the same situation in Latin America. This was the old Dulles brothers foreign policy in all it’s glory. Clusterfuck and the neo-con enablers imagined a sequel- but one tied to stuffing democracies rather than dictators down the throats of third world countries. It’s the same basic strategy- but it’s a lot trickier- “Open yer mouth an say AHH- this democracy ain’t gonna hurt a bit- and it’s GOOD fer you- by the way- don’t ya love the constitution we helped ya write?”
rwcole @ 92
rw, it’s every agency. OMB’s handling of routine issues pissed off the most jaded Federal bureaucrats.
Send Wolfowitz to Iraq, Says GOP Lawmaker
kathleen @ 82
That’s just the standard Republican line. Anytime that Democrats don’t abjectly agree with Republicans they have gone too far.
Rep Boner is now the head gooper. As he bones- so bones the party.
Here’s the depth of the complex and heavily studied Gooper foreign policy..
“When ya shove a dictator down the mouths of a third world nation- they resent it heavily- but if ya cram a democracy down their throats- they’ll be eternally grateful.”
Gooper PhD.s figured his out by pullin it out of their assholes.
The first trial of the new policy is not an obvious success.
old gold @ 97
Yep, and Bush’s defense was, “Well, I told you so!” and “They want to hurt your family!”
Oklahoma kiddo @ 40
No, they’re really radical authoritarians. But keep in mind that the people who are trying to escape the Bush-Cheney boat-anchor by claiming they’re not “true conservatives” are not conservatives either, they’re also radical authoritarians, so we shouldn’t let them get away with it.
The “conservative” brand underwent a hostile takeover by these types after Watergate, and anyone who didn’t fight it at the time, and chose the path to power over actual conservative principles deserves to go down with the ship.
P J Evans @ 50
This is the George Bush attitude. Nuance involves making a refined or subtle distinction in ideas. FDL is great at making these subtle distinctions, and if it weren’t, I wouldn’t waste my time here. Let’s not make the mistake of imitating Bush’s thought processes.
Bob in HI
scory
Thanks- it figures. The real government of this nation is an army of civil servants who keep the whole thing goin between administrations. They’ve gotta be highly pissed- and the Clusterfuckers knew from the beginning that they’d have to be nuetralized.
Prairie Sunshine @ 100
707 !!! you owe me a laptop. *g*
twolf1 @ 103
Watch for this rhetoric to increase greatly over the next year. We cannot let them get away with this crap.
There is no separating Repubelickins and “neocons.” They are one and the same. “Since the neocons got us in…” Mr. Freedom Fries should STFU! Yea whatever…he’s now wants us out. This from one of the most vocal supporters just a couple of years ago, shouting down anyone (and there were MILLIONS of us) who was saying, “Hey, waitaminute…invading Iraq makes no sense!!”
Every Repubelickin in Congress and the WH (and many Dems) are responsible for this travesty. DO NOT let them wash their hands of it. We need new blood in DeeCee calling the shots.
Mandrake @ 63
I disagree completely with this. If Rove, Bush, and the Republicans were interested in getting out of Iraq and defusing an ‘08 campaign issue they would have embraced the figleaf of the Baker-Hamilton Iraq Study Group and the withdrawal would have already begun.
As Glenn Greenwald recently documented the Republicans have talked about reducing troop levels in Iraq when it was politically convenient for years but they don’t actually do it.
The truth is that the Bush/Rove plan for Iraq is to stay there until Bush leaves office in 2009. That may make a lot of Republican politicians panicky but they have stuck with the Bush position anyway. September may or may not see a rejection of the Bush/Rove strategy.
If it does, it won’t be possible for Republicans to whitewash as anything but a defeat and a Bush failure. As for blaming the Democrats, they will do that no matter what.
If the Bush plan isn’t rejected in September, then we will be in Iraq until at least January 2009.
twolf1 @ 103
From Truthdig:
Wolfowitz’s Next Assignment
http://www.truthdig.com/report…..promotion/
Posted on May 27, 2007
By Andy Borowitz
In a bold move to undermine the international terror network, President George W. Bush today named former deputy defense secretary and World Bank president Paul Wolfowitz to be the new president of al-Qaida.
Mr. Wolfowitz, who has no experience running an international terror organization, struck many Washington insiders as an unlikely choice for the al-Qaida job.
[Edited by Mod for length. To help keep the FDL servers running smoothly and to avoid any copyright issues, please do not post entire articles — include a link and excerpt instead. Thank you]
when the VECO/Alaska story broke – I indulged in a little wishful thinking
was hoping the closer they got to Son O Toobz the more likely it was the good Senator would publicly push back on Alice Fisher – this latest story connecting him directly w/VECO doesn’t bode well for my magical scenario – although I’ve regularly provided his staff w/ “reminders”
and can one of the smarter firedogs (that would be most of you) please explain to me just how it is with the floodlights currently fixed upon DOJ she has yet to surface or be mentioned anywhere ?!?!?
rwcole @ 105
I still can’t get over his hilarious sob fest. Immediately preceding that, he said that WMD’s had been moved before we got into Iraq. I thought that old chestnut had been put to rest a few years ago.
Alcoholic, delusional, whining, sobbing man represents the Publican Party. Mmmmmhmmmmm, the macho Daddy Party . . . riiiiiiight.
Hugh @ 113
I sincerely hope you are right!
Bob Schacht @ 93
It’s important to distinguish between nuance in thinking and nuance in speaking. I want leaders who understand that problems are complex, and will usually require complex solutions. However, I also want leaders who understand that solutions with a lot of “nuance” are not useful to discuss during election campaigns.
If you’re elected, the program that gets put into action is going to bear only passing resemblance to what gets enacted, because that’s how the process works, and the people who will pay attention to the details are activists and wonks, not those who can be persuaded.
So tell us the broad goals and tell us the principles that will guide you, and follow through on them after you’re elected. That’s how you “do nuance” when it matters without drowning in it when it doesn’t.
Gingrich has always thought of himself as an intellectual, a person of ideas, after all, he taught at the University of West Georgia (per Wikipedia, although he was not tenured. Many of his “ideas” are crackpot. Here’s one from last December:
Gingrich cited last month’s ejection of six Muslim scholars from a plane in Minneapolis for suspicious behavior, which included reports they prayed before the flight and had sat in the same seats as the Sept. 11 hijackers.
“Those six people should have been arrested and prosecuted for pretending to be terrorists,” Gingrich said. “And the crew of the U.S. airplane should have been invited to the White House and congratulated for being correct in the protection of citizens,
So, Professor, here’s a quiz: what would a white male Southern Baptist have to do to get the same treatment? Just so we know there isn’t any anti-Islam present in that statement.
The Newt Gingrich puzzle is solved by observing that Newt is full of ideas that are at least superficially interesting. Most of those ideas do not bear close examination, but they’re glitzy, and he talks fast enough to keep you from thinking too much about what he just said. In other words, Newt has a sack full of bright shiny objects. He’s good at word-play. He also has a bright, up-beat way of talking. By contrast, Dick Cheney sounds like a grouchy Darth Vader, and Preznit Bush sounds like Alfred E. Neumann (”What, me worry?).
However, its true that Newt has the morals of a Black Widow spider, and when you look into his ideas more closely, you can see a reflection of the New World Order that Poppy Bush spoke of.
We make a mistake, however, if we take for granted a Democratic presidency in 2009. Republican minions of Karl Rove are busy caging, and gaming electronic voting machines, and other nefarious vote manipulation tricks of his new “math.” We should be working NOW, not only to uncover these tactics, but repair them and reverse them (i.e., restoring purged voters).
Bob in HI
old gold @ 97
Looks like the 3rd highest month for the Coalition KIA in Iraq. Of course, these numbers are undercounted. There are also the civilian deaths, on both sides. Kidnappings, torture, civil war, refugees…This is the most evil Madness, because I believe that the madness and violence was deliberately planned to destroy Iraq.
Re the original topic of this thread, why is it that every Republican hack a la Newt Gingrich always gets an obligatory Lincoln comparison? It’s a little like seeing an insect scurrying under a rock and saying, “You know that bug, reminds me a lot of Albert Einstein.”
rwcole @ 80
He may be entertaining, but Gingrich followed eagerly in the footsteps of the late Lee Atwater, a past master of dirty tricks and “smashmouth politics, a style of politiking that attempts to destroy the careers and reputations of political opponents”. (Another disciple of Atwater’s was Karl Rove.) He would be a major pollutant in an already fetid pond.
then Senator Man On Dog tried it in a last gasp effort early last fall
Boehner will wind up the Poster Child for neurological damage caused by tanning chemicals :)
Hugh @ 113
I agree — Hartmann accurately describes what sane political maneuvering would dictate, but he reckons without Bush’s stubbornness and refusal to admit error, and Cheney & company’s unrepentant warmongering (they still think moving on to Syria and Iran is a grand plan.)
There’s a reason why Rove’s “permanent Republican majority” depended on propaganda, undermining the electoral and legal systems and turning the federal government into a Republican machine, rather than building support for GOP positions among the voters.
If Goldberg’s name doesn’t ring a bell, here’s the article this minor Judith Miller is most famous for, “The Great Terror”, about links between Saddam Hussein and Al Quaeda, thereby helping make warmongering acceptable to conflicted Upper West Siders:
http://jeffweintraub.blogspot……r-new.html
He also does a touchy-feely Friedmanesque stuff about understanding those crazy Arabs:
http://www.jeffreygoldberg.net/
Redshift @ 117
OK, I agree with your point. The trick is to be able to distill one’s nuanced thinking into a clear statement of principles. Democrats need to get better at that.
Bob in HI
Hugh @ 113,
I have to agree with Mandrake about the R’s ‘anti-war’, declare-victory scenario. But you are absolutely correct, they won’t leave Iraq, ever. They’ll back off just long enough to get re-elected, then it’ll be back to biz as usual, war-wise.
And they don’t even have to get *really* re-elected, they only need to make it look good enough to explain the results of their rigged machines. Remember how exit polls were ‘debunked’ as reliable indicators when the machines gave different results from the polls? Smoke, mirrors.
Redshift @ 109
And they in turn have been taken over by the even more authoritarian Christian right.
Frank33 @ 121
Oh but remember…our “leaders” told us we’d see a spike in violence right now, silly. Just like they have every month for the last four years! And we’ll see further spikes until Sept when our saviour Gen. Patraeus will tell us everything’s OK, as long as we stick with this thing for just one more Friedman Unit.
Newt and his gang need to be sent to pasture. Immediately.
Everyone here needs to tell their family, friends, coworkers about places like FDL. When more people get off the Conglomerate Media teat, the murderers will not be “elected” anymore, no matter how many voting machines they tamper with.
Mandrake @ 115
Only among people who are susceptible to reason. For the 28 percenters, reasoning consists of starting with the desired talking point and working backwards, cherry-picking evidence that supports it, no matter how ludicrous, and discarding all else.
We know there were WMD, but we never found them, therefore they must have been moved. QED (Even though there is no evidence for it, and Iraq was one of the most heavily monitored places on earth when this was supposedly happening.)
Bob Schacht @ 126
HI Bob,
It shouldn’t be that hard to do. Normally the principles come first and the rest flows from them.
To Cindy Sheehan — here’s looking at you, kid. You spoke your mind fearlessly. I hope you find some peace.
Redshift @ 130
WMD was Valerie’s job.
brendan @ 125
He was also the author of a now-hilarious New Yorker from a year ago about all the nice “centrist” things the Democrats needed to say if they wanted to win in the ‘06 elections.
HotFlash @ 127
Hi, this was Thom Hartmann’s analysis, I cannot take credit for it. I like Hartmann a lot but I sincerely hope he is wrong on this one.
I have to say, in defense of the Dems (please, no rotten tomatoes!) that they knew they would face an all-out media onslaught of enormous proportions with the message that they abandoned the troops pounded home 24/7. The msm is still run by Pub proponents (corporations) and they, apparently, are not ready to cut their losses yet.
In a couple more months, esp. after they’ve received an earfull from their constituents, and as some Pubs finally get scared and pull their heads our of Bush’s arse, we can hopefully get a bill with timelines through. Even though polls show the majority of the public wants us out, the whole “cutting off funds” thing is a different story and is a powerful weapon in the hands of the whoring msm.
Still, I’m very glad progressives have slammed those in Congress who capitulated to Bush so they will know we mean business and no more concessions from here on out.
HotFlash @ 131
Yeah, that’s the thing. I think a lot of prominent Dems, because they’re wonks like many of us, work out the complicated plan and then try to boil it down to talking points, when what they really need to do is take the core goals and principles that motivate the plan and communicate those.
Of course, they’re hampered by an idiot media that will question whether they have enough experience and gravitas if they don’t make “major policy addresses” during the campaign, but will put Giuliani in a class with Eisenhower on national security because he stood on a pile of rubble once and he talks like he thinks he’s Jack Bauer.
new thread
The Religious Right will look past Newt’s infidelities because he appeals to their need to bow to authority. Either the Right wants to have an authoritarian Big Daddy figure over their heads, or they think Big Daddy will whip the “libruls” into shape. Either way, the Big Daddy image wins over the moral failings.
Redshift @ 125
I agree that sane projections of what Bush should do are fanciful. He dumps Rumsfeld and is given the deus ex machina of the Iraq Study Group, but did he get us out of Iraq? No, he has done the opposite. Even after privatizing Social Security has been a deadletter for everyone else for years, Bush continues to raise the issue every year. Taxes, energy, you can point to almost any aspect of government and it doesn’t matter that his policies haven’t worked. Bush keeps coming back like the Energizer bunny. Reason, logic, evidence, even overwhelming rejection have no real effect upon him. After 6 years of this, you would think that Democrats at least would have picked up on this. Bush never will change the substance of what he does. All compromises are cosmetic.
how you best have conservation in America, do you think trial lawyers, regulators, bureaucrats, and higher taxes are the answer, then you ought to be with Al Gore. If you think that markets, incentives, prizes, and entrepreneurs are the answer, you ought to be with us
To the extent that our air, water, and food are safe to consume, it’s thanks to trial lawyers, regulators, bureaucrats, and higher taxes, not markets, incentives, prizes, and entrepreneurs. There’s no reason to think a climate safe to live in would be any different.
Mandrake @ 136
Again to bring up Glenn Greenwald, he has addressed how the funding issue is bogus and how many Democrats have bought into it. I think this is what she should attack. I am dumbfounded when I see Joe Biden stand up and say he voted for the supplemental because he would do nothing to endanger the troops. But it’s still OK by him to leave them sitting in the middle of a bloody and pointless civil war in Iraq. We need to repeat the message until it takes that the troops will be funded and that anyone who says they support the troops should be doing everything possible to get them out of Iraq immediately.
Hugh @ 142
Hey Hugh, How’s it goin’, eh?
I wonder what you think of this … could it be the Dems have seen the writing on the wall … that they will be impeaching Bush/Cheney in ‘08 and are shoring up their defenses for the elections?
They take away the Reps talking points on being weak on terror, supporting the troops, knowing they will rout the Reps in the election when all the dirt becomes visible to American voters.
Politics is a dirty business.
old gold @ 97
The medics save 9 soldiers out of every ten wounded.
9 x 115 = ((( OMG )))
Yes, yes, that whole “Rick” thing.
I’m pleased to inform you that Ilsa and I have moved past all that, and we’re very happy now.
Thank you so much for bringing this up again.
Petrocelli @ 143
Bush and Cheney should be impeached. That said barring a precipitating factor like a really stupid war with Iran, I doubt that it will happen. More likely they will simply run out the clock. Iraq and a general rejection of the Bush years are what will drive the 2008 elections. Democrats would be wise to run on the simple platform that they are not Republicans, i.e. the party that has brought nothing but 8 years of disaster to the country.
Newt makes Major Strasser look like a stand-up guy.
Cindy Sheehan on Randi Rhodes now.
GabrielOak @ 133
Amen.
HotFlash @ 134
I have wondered whether Valerie was Cheney’s target all along, since she in a position to know there were no WMD in Iraq. Joe Wilson just gave him an excuse to try to blow them both out of the water.
Bob Schacht @ 120
You’re absolutely right about that last part. What caught me in the Goldberg piece, though, was this:
“Gingrich’s strength was always insurgency, and after he won his majority, his Achilles’ heel, which was actual governance, became visible to the world.”
Sound like any sitting presidents we know and loathe?