The new point system currently proposed, which drastically alters our policy away from family reunification and moves it toward educational and job skill preferences targeted by big business lobbyists, represents a radical shift in U. S. policy. Note that both uber anti-immigrant wingnut John Kyl and some elements of the business community are for it, though business community unity is cracking. This Washington Post article closes with the following quote, which represents, in my view, great understatement:
Doris Meissner, director of the Immigration and Naturalization Service under President Bill Clinton, said the point system is being proposed with inadequate analysis. "I was amazed when I saw it because it hasn't really been talked about," she said. "There's been no ground laid for this whatsoever. Point systems are known in other countries, and there is certainly a body of written material on it, but it hasn't had any careful research.
"It may be a good idea," she added, "but there isn't any evidence to argue one way or the other."
The bill as is shifts the balance against the poor, the tired, the huddled masses yearning to breathe free, and makes the American Dream a Corporate American Dream, a society based on one's worth to the National Association of Manufacturers and the U. S. Chamber of Commerce. This is, in my view, a continuation in our drift away from the Bill of Rights, away from our roots as a society whose social compact was founded on a view of human rights we took as self evident. The current structure of the bill should be opposed, as it has not undergone sufficient review and public discussion. To his credit, Barack Obama seems to be willing to pick this fight:
Sen. Barack Obama ( Ill.), one of the leading Democratic presidential candidates, is serving notice that he will try to change the proposal on the Senate floor, to give a higher value to reuniting families. The Senate will resume debate on the measure when it returns next week from the Memorial Day recess.
Obama has called the point plan a "radical experiment in social engineering." In a speech last week, he said the bill "fails to recognize the fundamental morality of uniting Americans with their family members. It also places a person's job skills over his character and work ethic. How many of our forefathers would have measured up under the point system? How many would have been turned back at Ellis Island?"
There are other problems with this bill, which hopefully will be addressed, but this rather radical shift needs more discussion and scrutiny. We'll also be watching whether or not the path to citizenship, which American majorities approve, will require the sabotaging structure of a requirement to leave the country before coming back. As I wrote in an email recently (minor edits included),
Any requirement that sends people back out of the country uproots families and won't work. What's more, once they're on the outside, the system will work to keep them outside, no matter what's on the books. I base this on past professional experience with the Board of Immigration Appeals. I cannot and will not support a path to citizenship that pushes people back out of the country, because they won't go, as they know the system better than the wonks do. Requirements to leave the country effectively mean a permanent underclass. It's not progress.
I can't support these provisions in the current bill that radically alter our current policy of family reunification. The current bill is hostile to familes on more than one front.
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Excellent Post, Pach!!!
It is interesting that the proposed law favors educated immigrants as opposed to unskilled labor. Who wants this and why? Certainly not the big agribusinesses who need a continuation of a supply of unskilled labor. Maybe there are some other corporate interests who want to create slackness in white collar labor markets- don’t know- but this deserves more exploration. It isn’t obvious who is behind this or why.
Pach, you’re spot on with the ludicrous notion of having the main breadwinner go back and touch base !!! What does the family do in the meantime??? It’s an absurd notion, to say the least!!!
I have to believe that we have the same skills here that the corporate world is wnating ti import through this bill. Which makes me wonder why? And the only thing coming to mind is that they believe they can pay the immigrants less to do the same job that native Americans can do.
Which come to think of it, is pretty much what they do now with H1Bs and so forth…
It’ll be interesting to see what the Senate comes up with next week, Pach.
OT to CTuttle, here’s the link to NSPD-51 we were discussing on late late night. Scares me.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news…..09-12.html
Pach, I notified the last thread about your new post!!! Still, crickets….
Going home to touch base? Just more bait and switch.
Which job skill sets does this legislation favor? Any specifics there? MBA holders? I’ll bet it doesn’t favor fruit pickers.
OT: This is a quote from a diary by Greg Palast over at Kos:
Otherwise, let me spend my one weekend off this month with my kids before I fly off to Washington, Michigan and London where, for BBC, I’ll be meeting with the Justice Department, Chairman Conyers and others — on an investigation even more important than ‘caging,’ persecuted prosecutors, or anything Mr. Drat can imagine … something, Mr. Drat that makes me very dangerous indeed to this regime.
Maybe this is that big, big scandal a commenter a few days back was alluding to…
Congress seems ta think that there’s a problem about people ignoring the laws controlling immigration. So what do they do- write some MORE laws. It’s like the sign in Texas that says “Obey all signs”.
Loo Hoo. @ 6
Thanx, Loo Hoo, it is downright scary!!! All the implementing annexes are Classified, except A!!! This unitary action needs some serious disinfectant provided solely by Sunshine!!! :(
rwcole @ 9
“signs, signs, everywhere signs
blocking out the scenery and breaking my mind
do this don’t do that can’t you read the signs?
And the sign said ya got to have a membership card to come inside…”
rwcole @ 9
Well, and that’s their first mistake. Any problem begins with corporations ignoring the laws controlling immigration. Probably the lion’s share of the immigrants are hard-working people willing to earn even a pittance to send to family back home, and if that counts as a problem at its core, I’d say we have a more basic issue in our national ethic than people working without proper immigration papers.
dakine01 @ 11
I thought of the song too…
It’s a low traffic day, here on the holiday. It’s like that all over. But thanks everyone for chiming in!
We can have our own little BBQ.
EvilDrPuma @ 14
Makes ya feel old don’t it?
Pachacutec @ 14
Mmmmm…virtual hot dogs.
dakine01 @ 15
It’s not my fault that disco and MTV murdered popular music.
OT-Firepups, Wigwam has an excellent diary at dKos, “If I were planning a coup…”, Wigwam, tried to post it in last nite’s Late, Late thread, much of it was posted!!! Well worth the read!!!
While I totally agree with the rest of your post, I would disagree with this statement (”The new point system currently proposed, which drastically alters our policy away from family reunification and moves it toward educational and job skill preferences targeted by big business lobbyists, represents a radical shift in U. S. policy”), as evidenced by the excellent video “Who Controls The Children” seen here.
A domestic policy has been simply been broadened to include the immigrant.
Pachacutec @ 14
A nice thick T-bone, med-rare, yum-yum!!!
EvilDrPuma @ 18
For the record, the VERY earliest “disco” was not only tolerable but damned good. But few folks are even aware of things like “Otis Redding Live At The Whiskey-A-Go-Go”
We have some steaks for the grill tonight.
Last night I grilled some whole black Atlantic sea bass, wild caught, with lemon, olive oil, water, flatleaf parsley, fresh thyme (from the garden), salt, pepper and garlic. . . wrapped in foil so it could all steam. Stuffed all the stuff in the belly cavity. It was quite yummy.
Wildly cynical, but are there any War Hawks suporting immigration reform for the purpose of expanding the military recruitment pool?
have skunk @ 8
But the airlines like it.
Elliott @ 24
Dunno.
Pachacutec @ 22
I’m drooling all over my keyboard!!! ;)
CTuttle: Teh gay can cook.
Elliott @ 24
Not cynical at all, imo. Our recruiters already cross the Mexican border and enter high schools with offers of financial bliss and or citizenship.
And the Blackwaters are recruiting from basically everywhere including old Pinochet (sp) militia.
Pachacutec @ 28
HEY now. So can some of us straight folks! Learned how to make fine Kentucky fried chicken without the Colonel’s eleven herbs and spices from my father.
Although today is gonna be a grilled NY strip and some home fried potatos with oan-yone and green salad.
Pachacutec @ 23
yum. I can almost taste it from here…happy BBQ!
Pach, besides this post, thanks for all those wonderful links the other night, too, your She’s Gotta Have It, II!
Pachacutec @ 27
My kids tell everyone who asks, that I’m the galloping gourmet in the family, the better half cooks, but they prefer my culinary creations!!! ;)
dakine01 @ 30
oan-yone, what’s that?
So Bush apparently thinks it is OK to reward “terrorist nations” for killing American soldiers.
I mean, that is what he has been saying about negotiating with Iran since he took, and I mean took office. Yet today we see another action that was advocated by Democrats and other realists for years only to be subjected to scorn and tsk-tsking of the neo-conholes.
It’s enough to get you pissed.
I get the feeling Fox Noise won’t be showing pictures of Ryan Crocker wearing a hijab.
-GSD
OT – interesting read:
Why I Am Leaving the Democratic Party by Cindy Sheehan.
I agree with much of what she says, but there is no third party solution this decade.
hot
Cajun for ONION
Oan-yones….dey make ya cry when ya cut dem.
-GSD
HotFlash @ 33
Onion, Maui onion I hope, dakine!!! :P
HotFlash @ 34
My poor attempt at phonetically spelling the pronounciation of onion as used by Justin Wilson and other Cajun chefs…
Yes, I admit, there are good straight cooks, even on Food Network.
Re: links: you’re welcome!
And speaking of Food Network, too bad I never had time to tell the story of the woman who passed out next to me at Mario Batali’s restaurant in New York, when the paramedics came, a wingnut took the table next and spilled my water on me, and the manager felt so bad he comped us more food and wine and nearly made my partner sick. All this on our expensive birthday gift outing to each other last Christmastime. The wingnut and his girlfriend felt somehow compelled to tell us about their sex life. The tables were very close together.
Actually, since it was like some surreal sitcom night, we had a good time. But it was very weird.
CTuttle @ 39
Actually not sure. Just what the local market had (he says embarrassedly after reading Kirk Murphy’s posts on GM foods)
I am so confused… kirk kills my appetite and Pach comes along and sends me straight to the kitchen…)
Pachacutec @ 14
I’ll bring the baked beans. Here’s the link to LS@8.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..144119/025
dakine01 @ 40
Oh, ya mean, lak a Vah-dale-yuh!
HotFlash@44, Maui Onions are far superior to Vidalia’s, I’ve had both(in Georgia and on Maui), and Maui takes the blue ribbon!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 43
Thank you for posting the link for me! I’m having computer issues, and every time I went either to get the text or the link, the other one would disappear, so I ended up just posting the text.
A point system sounds kind of like something slave traders would use.
“I’m SO tired of you America!”
Hey –Wanna hear a Polish Joke?
CTuttle @ 45
Speaking of onions, I tried a recipe from “Paula’s Home Cooking”. You take one of those big sweet onions and slice of the end (not too much) then you make slices about in 8ths but not all the way through. Then you take out the very small part of the center. So it looks sort of like a flower. You put bullion cubes in the center, then you put pats of real butter in between the sections. You wrap it all up in foil and bake it or BBQ it for about 45 minutes or something like that. When you open it up, it is just like onion soup. It is really good!!
This is a good article about Monica playing baby girl if you haven’t read it:
http://www.slate.com/id/2165447
Eureka Springs @ 47
Nice analogy!!! Very similar when you delve into the economics… :O
From the Teleltubbies article:
“Polish Education Minister Roman Giertych has proposed laws sacking teachers who promote “homosexual lifestyle” and banning “homo-agitation” in schools.”
Leave it the nation run by a pair of far-right wing twins.
Creepy.
-GSD
LS @ 50
I love to talk about cooking! Here’s one from the frugal gourmet holiday cookbook that I’ve made a few times:
Peel some number of medium size yellow onions, simmer them in some chicken broth to cover for 30 minutes, mix melted butter and a little paprika and brush the onions on top. Bake at 375 for about 20 minutes or until lightly browned.
As a reason to revile the immigration sellout this issue is down in the noise. The fucking thing reanimates the national identity card. The fascists have faked you out again. Now let me see your papers.
Sending folks back home… will be called vacations by the Rovian spin machine and hailed as pro family by MSM.
Since the Dems gave them a raise with the minimum wage..its the least the pro family Republicans could do.
Eureka Springs @ 55
And we do know that the “pro-family” redubyacans are all about doing the least they can do and get away with.
Another bizarre requirement in this bill is that they have to pay $5000. I’m not sure whether it was a fine or fee or what but all I can say is.. are our lawmakers insane?
Aren’t some of these people poor?
Do these rich white men think $5000 is pocket change? Someone wrote that the immigrants might fall prey to unethical lenders due to this. Ya think?
Remember- this ain’t the wing nut bill- wing nuts will all vote against this sucker- this is the Rove- save the hispanic vote bill-.
Looks as if it will pass and will pave the way for Clusterfuck ta say: “See- I ain’t no lame quacker.”
Loo Hoo. @ 51
This is a good article about Monica playing baby girl if you haven’t read it:
http://www.slate.com/id/2165447
From the article: And (Fawn) Hall was named a Playboy “Sex Star” in 1987, a trap into which Goodling, with her ardent faith, presumably won’t fall.
But – she *is* looking for some money for her defense fund, isn’t she?
Polish Govt to investigate whether Telle Tubby “Tinky Winky” is gay.
Poles didn’t mention what sort of undercover investigation would prove the allegation-
Poles take up where Falwell left off- apparently the suspicions were triggered by the fact that Tinky Winky carries a purse.
solai says
May 28th, 2007 at 2:22 pm
Do these rich white men think $5000 is pocket change?
That’s a rhetorical question, right?
Which is the gay twin?
Or are they BOTH gay like the Malet brothers (Pierre et Laurent) ?
How many Americans could come up with an extra $5000.?
You are spot on with this analysis. I, too, have many years of dealing with both INS/CIS and its various mutations and this will not work. It will create a permanent underclass,and will separate families. They call it a “grand bargain” while I call it Faustian. Without changes in this bill, many of us will, reluctantly, oppose this and continue to watch the human suffering unfold as families are separated by the broken system that currently exists. These provisions are shameful.
Dakine01 53, I’m going to try those!!
My guess is that most illegals can cough up the five grand. They actually save- wheras most americans don’t.
Loo Hoo. @ 63
If I could, I would be booking a flight right now…) with my national ID card, err rather Passport.
LS @ 9
WoW. I was just reading that post. What in the hell could be bigger than ‘caging’ and the overlay with the US Atty scandal? If he’s got the goods to hand over to Congress for something actionable related to what he’s already revealed, that would be bad enough…but there’s something bigger looming ?
Kind of unfortunate that the post began with Palast creating a bifurcate rectum for somebody. ah, well. Can’t say he’s not impassioned. Considering he’s been researching this for what, 7 years, all during Republican control, it could be time for something to blow sky high. stay tuned.
jayt @ 60
From the article: And (Fawn) Hall was named a Playboy “Sex Star” in 1987, a trap into which Goodling, with her ardent faith, presumably won’t fall.
But – she *is* looking for some money for her defense fund, isn’t she?
Ah, the conundrum for a “Christian Girl.” My guess is that her appearance before the HJC with three attys behind her for the entire day probably cost somewhere between $10K-15K alone. AkinGump lawyers ain’t cheap and this doesn’t even begin to account for the support staff and all the pre-appearnace prep work. My wag is her atty bill today is over $50K. Playboy appearance would probably start around $100K if rumors of past pay-outs are true…
you can quote me…
./
Loo Hoo. @ 64
How many Americans could come up with an extra $5000.?
Lemme see what I got on me…. uh – nope.
LS @ 66
And I almost forgot, sprinkle bread crumbs on top before baking…
Mufs Mom @ 65
From Today’s WaPoo on immigration.
the current bill is a travesty. As put earlier, this is one more step in the forging of the corporate ownership of America.
It does pose a question that i have wondered about– how many folks have read at least a summary of the — 1986–(yup- the 1986) immigration bill?
Might I suggest a reading? A bit on the longish side but ……….!
Talk about a bleeding joke!
Why won’t the most open, honest, and ethical Congress in American history hold hearings on this Immigration Bill? Why was this bill developed in secret by a group of supposed adversaries who now profess to so admire Michael Chertoff, Secretary of DHS? Chertoff tells us that any change or tinkering will bring the entire structure down on itself, and yet there are all these mentions by lawmakers of possible amendment and improvement.
The American people deserve to have open public hearings, and preferably field hearings around the nation, on this Bill so that our lawmakers can understand it and explain it. The corporatists who favor this bill need to tell American families how this bill will affect them.
When there’s secrecy afoot, it never benefits The People.
Oh — this applies to the Trade Bill too, Madame Speaker.
A good-bye diary from Cindy Sheehan.
http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..12530/1525
Palast must have put together some pieces from his collection of emails…what were the addys, karlrove.com?
I just don’t know what to make of Greg Palast. I know he was right about previous voter suppression tactics but he seems like more showman than reporter.
I want to believe he has the goods…but why all the mystery. Print it all. Now.
Sorry, OT but important:
There’s more from Greg Palast today.
Man, I hope the Democrats in the House and Senate have some brain cells to rub together. We desperately need them to.
- Tom
Pachacutec @ 15
Sounds like a fine idea. I have some great iced Mexican beer and Dr. Pepper for SnarkaKassandra – she strikes me as an emerging writer who may be a DP gal. ;~)
The $5000 fee just makes the USGovernment another coyote in the chain. Pay up, or we send you home.
neither party REALLY wants more voter participation…
every incumbent wants EXACTLY the same voters to vote in the next election as voted in the last one…and no more…
either Party would be content if it won every election 2-1…which would have the advantage over the present system of presenting an unambiguous ‘mandate.’
jayt @ 71
Lemme see what I got on me…. uh – nope.
Amen, Buddy, can you spare a dime??? ;)
I believe we have this system in Canada. It has many problems. In the past, when family unification was the main goal, we let in so called uneducated foreigners, such as my grandparents on my mothers side, and my father. Those “uneducated” immigrants worked hard and built a better life for their family then they could in their home countries. My parents made it to the point where by my fathers 50th birthday, he has been mortgage free for nearly a decade. He put all 4 of his sons through university. If he so chose, he could retire at 55. Under a point system however, his grade 9 education isn’t good enough. He would be viewed as an undesirable citizen.
Point systems suck. They ignore so much about the person in favour of a degree (and not all degrees are made equal, so it may be a case of letting in a foreign doctor only to have them work in a taxi until they can get recertified a decade later).
I made pasty tonite for dinner. 10 more minutes and it is done.
i’ve spend pretty much the whole weekend waiting for godot…
or in this case, the guy who knows how to find and patch leaks in liner-type fish ponds…
he assures me he’ll be here before dark…today…
.
ccmask @ 86
pasty??
The USofA, to mix metaphors outrageously, is a gated lifeboat in a gale…
we’re kicking folks over the side, hopin to stay afloat, while the wrought-iron gates, supposed to keep ‘em from crawlin’ back, keep sinkin us deeper into the waves…
.
FYI, new thread
solai @ 88
Irish pasta doncha know? ummmm ummmm – let me know if you want a cold beer or iced DP ccmask when its ready to serve.
solai @ 88
Meat, potato & onion pies. I think it is an English dish.
I’ll take an ice cold beer.
ccmask @ 93
Here ya go and plenty more where that came from. (g)
Eureka Springs @ 29
True? I had never heard this. I would guess that an offer of US citizenship for enlisting in the US army would attract a lot of young people who have no other way of obtaining it.
OT, but I wanted to encourage everyone to re-read this post from Pachachutec last year. I still take it out to read it from time to time for inspiration. Of course, I make it a point to read it today… and every Memorial Day.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..on-terror/
My first inclination is to say FUCK FAMILY REUNIFICATION!!! I am gay and have been in a relationship with someone from another country for 7 years. He is here legally…has been the whole time on a student visa. Because of the emphasis on “family reunification” our family means less in the eyes of the law than some floozy who goes to Las Vegas to marry her boyfriend of 1 year and the sponsors him so they can “stay together.” Seems to me a point system helps us out. I am 100% on the self-interest here. Since the Uniting American Families Act appears DOA even in a Democratic Congress, whatever helps our family stay together is fine by me. If I’m wrong, I’m quite willing to admit as such. However, LGBT people like my partner and I are ALWAYS left out of the conversation, and I’m just sick and tired of it.
Not only is it hostile to families, it is hostile to our own homegrown population, and the rest of the world’s education too – because instead of educating our own people, it encourages our companies to strip the world of educated skilled people, in order to depress wages and break unions here at home. We’ve already stripped most of Africa of their highly trained nurses. We’ve opened our doors to India’s programmers, making what was once an upper middle class job into a mid-to-lower middle class job. Engineers, mathmaticians, what else do we need that we will no longer be forced to produce out of our own citizens?
If we made state colleges free to the top 1/3 of the class – based only on performance – we would have all the engineers, doctors, programmers, mathmeticians, nurses and teachers that we would ever need. . . . just sayin’