[I have been waiting and waiting for an excuse to use a Sesame Street Law and Order: Special Letters Unit YouTube. The best part of having a child is enjoying Sesame Street all over again through their eyes. Love it. Enjoy.]
The NYTimes has a fascinating peek behind the US Supreme Court robes this morning, and I thought the law wonks in the audience would get a kick out of this one:
When people think, if they ever do, about a Supreme Court justice’s daily routine, many undoubtedly envision a life spent contemplating the great issues: due process, equal protection and other resonant constitutional concepts.What they probably do not imagine is time spent puzzling over whether the phrase “within 75 miles” in a 1993 federal statute means miles as the crow flies — in a straight line that disregards hill and dale — or miles as a car must actually navigate on the ground: around curves, doubling back to avoid geographic barriers, traveling real roads that rarely mark the shortest distance between two points.
The difference between the two possible definitions of “within 75 miles” usually does not matter much. But when it matters, it matters a lot, as it does to a former insurance executive from Oklahoma, Kelly Hackworth.
If the distance between two of her former employer’s offices is measured by “radius miles,” a straight line on the map, Ms. Hackworth was entitled to the protections of the Family and Medical Leave Act when she lost her job after taking time off to take care of her hospitalized mother. The law applies to companies that employ at least 50 people within 75 miles of the complaining employee’s workplace. If the distance between Ms. Hackworth’s office in Norman, Okla., and a satellite office in Lawton is measured by driving the route along existing roads, she is out of luck by six-tenths of a mile, which is what the federal appeals court in Denver ruled a few months ago.
Her appeal, now awaiting word on whether the justices will accept it for decision, would not appear to be the stuff of a Supreme Court case. But in fact, it is quite typical, more so than people realize. It therefore offers a window on the court’s ordinary life as the 2006-2007 term enters its final, and atypically frantic, month.
People often think that lawyers, and especially judges, deal only in lofty Constitutional contemplation when, in reality, the job is most often about the nitpicky "devil is in the details" sorts of issues that we all face from time to time.
Scotusblog, which does an enormous service for all of us by following the US Supreme Court minutae, has a wonderful piece from earlier in the week on the government's brief on "original writs" for detainees in a pending case argument that needs some reading. In the context of yesterday's fantastic book salon on "In Defense Of Our America," it should be abundantly clear to all of us that active citizenship requires that we stay abreast not just of the legislative and Presidential processes, along with the Administration rules and regs changes, but also pay attention to trends in the courts as well. This gives a complete picture of where we are as a nation -- and where we ought to be going as well.
We have a lot of work to do. But knowing what we face is the first step toward effective action for change. And if you think that none of the lofty fights in the court could possibly apply to you, remember a woman from Oklahoma who may have lost her job because the distance measured from her house to her job wasn't determined as the crow flies.
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What kind of wonkery is this?!?!
Nearly a zed.
Good morning, wonkers!
Wonkers of the world, unite.
Starting to follow the SCOTUS a couple of years back really led to my current level of activism, and to the wonderful world of blogging. Funny this is, I can’t remember what case I was following.
ps - I have never stopped loving, and occasionally watching Sesame Street, may have to get a kid, this is getting embarassing as I get closer to 40
Terrific Christy.
I have no claim to official reason for interest, but if “wonk” simply means insatiable desire to know how it all works, count me in.
Love this stuff. ;->
& always watch Sesame w/ our kids too - wise program, that, targeting kids of all ages. *g*
Is that an english crow or an american crow?
Best Book Salon I’ve ever seen yesterday!
Hey, kids - here’s a little summer music for your pool lounging pleasure!
Interesting how those tenths of a mile can make a difference although I would have thought this was settled law decades ago.
When I was in the USAF, my first base after tech school was Wurtsmith AFB in Oscoda, MI. At one time, Wurtsmith had been considered a “remote” base as it was “more than fifty miles from a major population center,” with major being the city of Alpena, MI which was fifty miles north of Oscoda.
Then someone got the bright idea to measure things and they (whomever the amorphous they was) determined that by moving the front gate from near the BX to the corner of the base where the road first reached, the front gate was now under fifty miles from Alpena and they didn’t have to pay the extra stipend for remote bases. Saved money with a little gimmickry.
S2D2
That was very nice, egregious.
And is everyone aware that Kirk is going to be the next president of the World Bank? Sorry, kirk, can’t find the link, do you have it?
Wil @ 6
Sesame Street was AFTER my time. Besides Capt Kangaroo, in greater Cincinnati area, we had Skipper Ryle and Uncle Al and Capt Wendy on the local TV…
dakine—Wo that is really taking me back. I was on the Uncle Al show twice. My sister got to drive the pretzel car, I think I’m still a little jealous.
dakine01 @ 13
I remember the great Capt. fondly. Mr. Rogers always freaked me out a bit.
I was overseas (Guam) for the prime TV years 5-9 and there was no local programming, so I had to stick with the big dogs
One question, if i can find a way to phrase it w/o burning up the toobz…
How can this elite group of jurists on one hand tie themselves literally in knots, trying to produce as perfect an analysis of minute details as is humanly possible,
then turn around and produce the fumbling, bumbling, flamingly unconstitutional decision they -um- “crafted” in Bush vs. Gore?????!!!!
*sits back down & folds hands properly on desk*
“Bush Salutes War Dead…”
(Drudge Headline)
“Dead guys—I salute ya” Bush
Adie
Well two reasons at least:
1) A majority of em are slobberin, droolin goopers.
2) They didn’t want to deal with what the Florida Legislature was threatening to do next–take back the right to vote…That WOULD have been a sizzler.
rwcole @ 18
NEXT?
HotFlash @ 12
Thanks, HotFlash! The Campaign rolls on.
kirk murphy @ 20
hey COOL! i didn’ know you were in StarTreque.
Adie @ 16
Forgive my memory - I have a vague recollection of enourmous amounts of Jack Daniels during the B V. G era - but were the questions on the constitutionality of that decision. I think I was in an alcohol induced stupor for several days after the announcement and must have missed the finer points. Oh, I also threw my TV across the room at some point. Like I said, it’s a bit fuzzy
egregious @ 14
I got on Uncle Al once. I got to beat the sticks together…
dakine01 @ 10
Oh crap, dakine01. The drive between Oscoda and Alpena deserves hazard pay if driven during a nor’easter off the lake.
Let alone during any one of the following:
– spring planting season, if you took backroads away from the lake;
– deer season, when the roads are wall-to-wall with red flannel and international orange;
– harvest, for similar reasons as planting season, the roads being covered with slick mud if wet, and worse for deer in rut.
Christy, could you please explain to a non-law wonk, if you have a minute, why the distance part is in the law to begin with? It’s unclear from the language why it’s relevant. Thanks.
makes me wanna fuckin’ PUKE!!!!
i spit on the man…
they’re not sacrificing on my behalf, goddamn it…it ain’t my fuukin war! we oughta be takin’ the ’sacrifice’ outta the hides of the fucknozzles and shitwhistles who blithely send those poor sumbitches to die in vain–utterly, completely, irrerversibly in VAIN!@
Adie
Yeah the Florida Legislature said that if the Florida Supreme Court ruled against Clusterfuck, they would take the right to determine the presidential electors from the people and vote themselves on who the electors would be. As I recall- a certain attorney named “Yoo” came out and lectured them on their constitutional perogatives. It would have torn the nation apart- and they knew it.
dakine01 @ 13
We had Howdy Doody, Ding-Dong School, and (eventually) Mickey Mouse Club.
Yoo contends that the Congressional check on Presidential war making power comes from its power of the purse. Yoo also contends that the President, and not the Congress or courts, has sole authority to interpret international treaties such as the Geneva Convention “because treaty interpretation is a key feature of the conduct of foreign affairs”.[7] His positions on executive power, collectively termed the Yoo Doctrine or Unitary executive theory, are controversial since it is suggested the theory holds that the President’s war powers place him above any law.[7][8] [9][10] [11]
In explaining the Yoo Doctrine, Yoo made the following statements during a December 1, 2005, debate in Chicago, Illinois, with Notre Dame Law School Professor Doug Cassel:
Cassel: If the President deems that he’s got to torture somebody, including by crushing the testicles of the person’s child, there is no law that can stop him?
Yoo: No treaty.
Cassel: Also no law by Congress. That is what you wrote in the August 2002 memo.
Yoo: I think it depends on why the President thinks he needs to do that.[12]
Wil @ 22
u can’t fool me! thru that JDfuzzbuzz, i just KNOW you remember the reporter whutzizname tryin’ ta’ read the “decision” on camera, by lamplight on the supreme porchsteps that awful night. member now?
oh.do.i.WISH it had been a nightmare….
Rayne @ 24
You missed the salmon trollers on the AuSable river in the spring as well.
I didn’t know any better at the time and had actually asked for Wurtsmith as my brother was/is in Grand Rapids. Did not know you can’t get there from here as it were. After a short, cold rainy summer and a foot and half of snow the day after T’giving, I went to personnel and volunteered for Hawaii, England, Germany, Italy, or Japan in that order. If I didn’t get a new assignment by August, I was going to ask for ANYWHERE in the world but Wurtsmith. After a long cold winter (temp on 1/9 was 38, 1/10 was five below - next time it hit 30 was St Paddy’s day at 34 the next day was 33 then dropped again, I got a call on a cold rainy morning in early May and was told I was going to Hawaii. I wound up spending four years in the islands and it ALMOST balanced out.
Not me. I often think that judges are drunks, perverts, reckless drivers, bribe-takers, political hacks, and/or general deviants. And that little thing about “all rise” as the presiding deviant enters the courtroom always struck me as the most pretentious, pompous piece of protocol since they stopped powdering their wigs.
As for measuring (and ruling on) 75 miles by car or crow: that clown needs a hobby.
Adie @ 30
I think that may have been when the TV ate it
rwcole @ 27
iknowiknowiknowiknowiknowalready!
i was stuck on the couch recovering from knee surgery.
which made me an expert of sorts on this topic.
NEXT?????
Wil 33 - no doubt. ours came close, if only i could have hoisted it up, w/ my bum knee & all…
Adie @ 16
I detect the fell hand of Karl Rove. Or are any of them members of Skull and Bones?
rwcole at 29,
Don’t know if you meant to write oo instead of Yoo, but if the shoe fits…
[Mod: Heh. Fixed.]
Adie @ 35
had FDL exisited back then, I’m sure a frirndly (drunk, in my case) pup would have gladly thrown your TV across a room for you. I would have done it with pride. In fact I may have volunteered that service to some that hadn’t requested it, it is a bit of a blur, but many people stopped returning calls
Gunga Djinn @ 32
I think this is very disrespectful of honest judges, which nearly all of them are, people who are at risk of violence from those who suffer from their judgements.
All rise is a way of showing honor not so much to the individual judge, though I believe that is proper, but to show honor for the law in general.
You might appreciate all this more if you had ever been wrongly accused of something terrible and then vindicated by the court. Our legal system is not perfect, but what exactly do you propose in its place?
Next Question:
How can this elite group of jurists on one hand tie themselves literally in knots, trying to produce as perfect an analysis of minute details as is humanly possible,
then turn around and…
[careful. this is trickier]
…ignore the storming of the Miami-Dade Board of Elections vote-recount by DeLay’s goonsquad?!
http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/080502a.html
We no longer live under the rule of law, not all of us. Only us little people have that honor, the wealthy and the powerful live under no law at all.
One only has to view gooper behavior during the aftermath of the 2000 election to see that we should have known exactly how these bastards would behave in office- it was all there.
rwcole @ 42
YUP! That’s part of it. We ALL share the blame, to some degree, including those of us who threw out the tv, or turned it off, or “tuned out”.
NEXT?
Gunga Djinn @ 32
As opposed to the rest of the population? Yeah some of them may be drunks, perverts…, but so are our doctors and bank tellers, wtf difference does it make? The Chief Judge of Metro here in ABQ was snorting coke off a hookers lap (she wasn’t a hooker, but it’s way more dramatic), but his legal judgement was good, he was a good and fair judge. Again, what does behavior outside the courtroom have to do with being a good Judge, aside from bribery?
As the crow flies? Crows fly as if they have an attention deficit disorder. Or too much bourbon.
How they got credited with being focused on getting to particular destination is a mystery to this old birder.
oldswede
The Bushies were so aggressive, organized, and bloodthirsty- that no one guessed that they were also incompetent. Surprise.
rwcole @ 46
People still have a hard time believing this. So they spin vast conspiracy theories in an attempt to explain the disconnect. But it’s really simple, they’re morons.
Adie @ 21
Hee-hee-hee :)
(Sorry for late pick-up….dryer finished and I had to fold my best blogging pj’s)
Love the Jerry Orbach puppet and the Christopher Meloni puppet. Sesame Street is the greatest (ahh for the golden days of the Muppet Show….)
Also love the comments on the “chung chung” sound. This is going to become a mainstay of the Presidential race if Fred Thompson decides to run.
(I’ve wondered how to transcribe that sound… according to Wikipedia: “This has been described as a “DUN dun” or “thunk thunk” sound… In promos for Law & Order: Special Victims Unit reruns on the USA Network, actor Dann Florek refers to the sound as the “boink boink.”")
Maybe.. DUM DUM?
The distance thing is interesting. Back in the 1980’s Congress passed something called the “schoolyard statute” which greatly increased the penalties to drug pushers who sold drugs within500 feet of a school.
I worked on a lot of school yard cases and we always useda compass to draw a radius from the center of the school.
In fact, we (the prosecution) did not try to even use the distance from the boundry of the school proerty even though it would have brought more territory within the enhanced punishment zone.
We were doing “spitit of the law” which was to make it so little children did not have to watch drug deals going on right outside their windows when they were supposed to be learning math and spelling.
That decision was reached after rreading the legislative history of the statute and a great deal of discussion within the office of how to meet the goals of the statute consistent with fairness to the accused.
So, better to give up ten extra feet of enhanced penalty space and not try to nail defendants on technicalities, while still creating a zone of saftey around the school.
It seems clear that a statute like the one Christy described should be constured in the way that is least techinical and easiest to administer, namely the radius method.
I’m willing to bet dollars to donughts if anyone bothers to read the statury history the intent of the satute was to cover as many employees as possible.
The only reason SCOTUS wuld have to agonize over the (really impossible to administer) “road map” interpretation was because it is now dominated by big business loving, working people ignoring Cheneyites.
And yes, I am thinking of Justice Scalia right now.
okayokayokay, i’m rapidly losing the battle & getting farther OT by the second.
besides, my stoopid game’s getting senile dementia….
To my knowledge, no charges were ever brought against DeLay’s illegal, felony-committing goons, even though they were all eventually identified, & their picture widely distributed in the media.
…not by Miami-Dade BOE, not by Gore, not by A.N.Y.O.N.E…
WHY?!
sorry folks, but that question boggles my mind to this day, and always will.
on that day in history, our democracy was gone, just gone…..
… and, unless things change…. *sigh*
keep workin’ & playin’ together pups.
we’re all key in this.
it’s nice to run with such an elite pack. ;->
noen @ 47
they’re NOT incompetent. they’re not, they’re not, they’re NOT!
they’re incredibly skilled at what they are doing, which is and always was to attack, undermine, and if possible disable any and every instrument and/or institution that might intervene to prevent the wholesale capture of what remains of the US’s “commons” by the Corporate State…
it is not easy to do what they’ve accomplished, which has been to basically eviscerate EVERY SINGLE BUREAU, OFFICE, DIVISION, and AGENCY that might actually protect the fucking PEOPLE!@!!
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Adie at 51, I think the conclusion of the Consortium article nails it:
so are we neighbors, then?
i live in the North Valley…
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wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 54
downtown
dalloway @ 25
Maybe because if I move 1,000 miles away to have a baby or take care of an aging parent, it shows I’m probably not coming back after my leave. Not a lawyer, just guessing.
lhp?
tokin’ liberal, I absolutely agree. The nuns (bless them) used to tell us little kids that the devil’s greatest accomplishment was to make people believe he didn’t exist. BushCo’s greatest is to make people think they are incompetent.
When every thing they do puts more money and control into their hands, it is difficult to continue to believe that they are just bumbling their way to world domination.
Wil @ 55
you interested in Drinking Liberally?
/
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 58
DO we have that here?
The distance thing is in the law to reduce the burden to the employer. If an employer has two sites close by they have twice the pool of employees to draw from. If the two locations are hundreds of miles apart, the employer cant really draw on the combined pool of workers.
“The law applies to companies that employ at least 50 people within 75 miles of the complaining employee’s workplace. If the distance between Ms. Hackworth’s office in Norman, Okla., and a satellite office in Lawton is measured by driving the route along existing roads, she is out of luck by six-tenths of a mile, which is what the federal appeals court in Denver ruled a few months ago.”
The law was apparently designed to apply to only large companies–small companies might not have enough people to cover for a missing person. Then the issue becomes- how do you define “small” and “large”—well in terms of employees- 50- but what about a company that has thousands of employees- but only two in Oklahoma say- that’s where ya get the 50 mile thing- you are big enough to fall under the law if you have enough employees in a fifty mile area.
dakine01 @ 30
Ah, yes, the early harbingers of spring. In my neck of the woods, they’re fishers of walleye and steelhead.
I’ve eaten my share of Lake Huron salmon, though; have had a craving for it that hasn’t been satisfied for months. Hate to think I’m going to have drive to “Alpener” to get some.
Like a whole other country between Oscoda and GR. Hard lesson to learn. Been burnt at least once with a speeding ticket in that no man’s land on my way to Muskegon.
Sorry you missed the spectacular summers on the Great Lakes; they really do balance out the rest of the winter, that, along with those grilled lake trout and salmon. Mmm-mmm. My Hawaiian father has managed to choke it out here on the lakes more than half his life, in spite of the lure of ohana and aina.
HotFlash @ 57
thank you…i get soooo frustrated by this meme that the busheviks are boobs, when in fact they are, and have demonstrated themselves frequently to always have been, clever, conniving, cold-blooded- ruthless, murderous, thieving fucks…
and the most compelling evidence of their genius is that they are now, and will for the next 20 months will be, STILL in power…
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HotFlash @ 53
YUP. I’ll buy that. But IF that is true….
and given rendi*ion, Gtmo, vote-caging, off-shoring of our resources and jobs,….
what separates us from what we supposedly hate.
Pogo: We have met the enemy, and he is us.
We cannot allow this to remain status quo.
Can we?
Anyway, not to belabor this longer:
That’s why I’m here at the Lake.
Again. Thanks guys. ;->
Rayne @ 62
I had two summers in Oscoda. That was enough. The first was short, cold, and rainy. I think that first summer it rained all but ten days from Aug 1 to Sept 30 and even then, it rained at night during most of those days it didn’t rain.
I’m the local ‘host.’
the club’s become a bit moribund, because it sorta declined into a social club for the friends of the previous ‘host.’
i’m trying to revivify it…
./
Bush takes advantage of the fact that people find it difficult to believe that a man can be BOTH evil and incompetent.
The evidence of Bush incompetence is obvious to all. Look at Iraq!!
Did a good job of lyin his way in- but had no plan of what ta do when he got there. No political plan, no reconstruction plan, no plan for finding weapons and keeping em out of the hands of insurgents, etc. Then he fired the army- the only force of stability in the country and turned em into mortal enemies.
These were the guys who knew where hte weapons were buried and how to use em- the most dangerous group in the country- and Bush made enemies of em immediately. Then he sent a bunch of greenhorn goopers in to “run” the occupation who decided to sell everything off to foreign investors- at which point he managed to make an enemy of Sistani- the most important man in the country.
It was a total fuck up from start to finish.
No- they’re incompetent all right- no question about it.
looseheadprop @ 49
The “spirit of the law” — that’s it, that’s the phrase I was looking for. What was the spirit of the law, and are rulings in keeping with the spirit? This kind of assessment is completely corrupted if all judicial seats are selected solely based on political ideology rather than ability to reason and argue the merits of the law.
Law becomes capricious, encouraging undermining and sabotage when the spirit of the law is abandoned in favor of the strictest interpretation to the letter of the law. In a society that is supposed to be ruled by law and not man or men, this borders on anarchy.
They did not only seek to drown government in the bathtub, but to do away with everything that does not serve their corporate masters.
HotFlash @ 53
drat. & apologies. just can’t leave this alone.
You could flip that whole argument.
The reason he’s now prez. is because the BrooksBroz rioters [& all the other skanky &/or felonious acts] were tolerated & not punished!!!!!
*sits back down & folds hands politely*
*then goes out to yank up thistles in “garden”*
dakine01 @ 64
Oh damn, you poor thing, you drew La Nina years. I remember 1974-1975 being that bad. Ugh.
Cheney’s favorability rating down to 13%.
You don’t want to meet any of the 13%.
Rayne @ 70
I was there from 5/77-8/78 but 77 was definetly the worst.
You might not feel like eating again soon, but Kirk Murphy’s got the latest upstairs at the new thread.
More Trashing Organic Standards
Edit—that’s DR. Kirk Murphy. I’ve gotta get with the program.
If you draw a decision tree on the Iraq invasion and oocupation- wherever there was a decision to make, Bush made the wrong one- beginning, of course, with the decision to do it at all.
rwcole @ 61
Thanks. That’s much clearer, though it smacks of something put in by a business-friendly legislature to enable them to exclude people. After all, if I’m big enough to have more than fifty employees (regardless of location) and the money to hire a temporary replacement comes from my corporate funds, then where my leave-taking employee is doesn’t seem to matter.
And egregious, you make a good point about someone taking their leave 1000 miles away, but do companies have the right to assume what an employee will do after their leave? Isn’t there a better mechanism to determine that? (Just wondering here in NC on a beautiful spring day — I must be a law-wonk, sans degree, after all).
dakine01 @ 72
77 was my first working summer; I don’t remember it being that bad, but I wasn’t on the lake, was inland. A cold, wet rainy summer on the lake is pretty nasty, especially when you’re stuck in BFE — and that would be Oscoda in in 1977.
IANAL
But I think property is usually measured in crow fly distance (see also territorial waters).
Also, crow distance is known and constant, and travel distance may change (unpredictably) by construction and rerouting of roads and routes, not to mention the way to choose the path (where can you travel? what points do you measure, how tight are your corners, etc.)
Rayne @ 76
You hit the nail on the head with the BFE descriptor. And that whole summer was just nasty. At least with the next summer when it rained I knew the end was nigh…
I favor the little guy.
But hey, this is really an issue for precedent isn’t it? Have laws involving distances been routinely interpreted by geometric radii or by travel paths?
That should be lookable upable.
Oh, and if the interpretation is “as the crow flies”, you’ll still have to include the curvature of the earth in the calculation of “75 miles.” Over that distance a straight line measure (think laser beam, perfectly straight through a pipe in the ground) will be measurably longer than a 75 mile string curved over an earth size globe.
But the travel distance is manifestly absurd. You could live a few miles away from your place of work but due to a mountain need to drive 76 miles to get there… could the law possibly have contemplated that you were “more than 75 miles” from work, when you lived just on the other side of the mountain?
Or maybe not. For example, do taxi cab and delivery companies measure their service radii in terms of travel distance… or geometric distance. Hard to imagine the former, but who knows?
I say compromise… agree to take into account the curvature of earth on your “crow flies” argument (no laser beams through the earth measurements, give up those inches), if they’ll concede the absurdity of the “travel distance” argument.
Not that we are dealing with reasonable men here….
I used to be a law wonk. Specifically, I spent a lot of time studying the Supreme Court. In fact, at one point I taught Constitutional Law. After Bush v. Gore that all came to a screeching halt.
I now read the holding and move on.
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Honest judges have nothing to worry about…it doesn’t apply to them.
If “all rise” is in respect to the law rather than the judge, I propose all remain seated as the judge enters, followed by “all rise” including the judge, at which point all present (including again the judge), turn to the flag or the nakid statue of Ms. Justice and perform some silly ritual (perhaps something from Monty Python).
I would also propose that either (a)jurors be payed $350 per hour for jury duty, or (b)judges & lawyers work for $8.32 per day while a jury is present. It would be in keeping with the “peers” theme, and the “civic duty” theme.
rwcole @ 67
I think they are both. BushCo are very, very good at politics, but really piss poor at policy, governing, etc., which they don’t do at all. And incompetence is an obvious result of the blatant cronyism that characterizes this administration.
I know I’m EPU’d for hours now, but this is really important. I was able to hang on to my job for several years because of FMLA. I hope the Supreme Court decides in the plaintiff’s favor.
spurious @ 82
I think you’ve got it in a nutshell. Also I would make a not-too-wild guess that they’re so “poor at policy, governing, etc.” to the point of “incompetence” because, deep down, they don’t give a #&$$ about such things, and thus deliberately focus on whatever superficial political maneuvers most directly serve their own personal gain.
Whenever I hear some media guru drone on about what this administration seeks to build as a “legacy”, it literally makes me gag.
Governance, quite simply, does not seem to be part of their formula for personal success.
The source of the incompetence of this administration is the man himself.
Bush has no patience for details or analysis.
Bush asks that his people keep information from him that would disrupt his “gut” view of the issues.
Cheney believes that Bush should not be told much so that he can have plausible deniability about matters of law- Bush thinks this is a great idea.
Bush has no ability to have a dialogue with analysts or even with his own team in which he demands evidence and guides the group to a decision. On the contrary- he wants to only talk about “doing” he hates anything to do with “thinking” including the people who do it. This causes lower level people to modify their approach and ignore risk analysis, hypothotical analysis, etc. In fact it leads them to ignore doing their job and produce “rah rah- ready, fire, aim” shit that the prez loves.
boyohboy whut a buncha pollyannas we be…
got some thistles yanked, & now we’re levelling the garden shed.
watch out wurld. gard yer wimmen ‘n chillen ‘er we’re gonna take over the asparagus patch fersure!
STOP THE VIOLINS!
VISUALIZE WHIRLED PEAS!
Adie @ 84
My sentiments exactly. I really can’t stand to listen to that garbage. The ‘legacy’ of this administration will be the huge constitutional mess that will be left to sort out when they’re gone–assuming that they do go. Disgusting.
rwcole @ 85
Bush is certainly anti-intellectual and personally incompetent (though Molly Ivins acknowledged his political skills, in Shrub), but Rove is highly competent at (crooked) politics; if not, they wouldn’t be where they are now. And Cheney is not so much incompetent as deluded and dangerous.
Of course they aren’t good at goverance because they don’t believe in government. In a sense they are right wing anarchists because they see the government’s role in protecting the right of individuals and the community at large as a barrier to the interests of corportations and the priviledged. Remember Reagan’s comment about the 10 most feared words “I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.” The irony is that to insure that their view of a cannibalistic capitalism becomes the law of the land they have to be elected to public office. Government is not for the common good but for the good of a select few.
Oops! & Oh My! What HAVE I wrought?
in re: my !86-
Let it be known to all garden sheds of the world, you needn’t worry. Ours is just fine. I meant “levelled” as in - ahem - all its lil’ corners now point suitable directions so that we can actually close & latch its door.
Gotta blame boosh-43! for that durn thang too. Can’t be careless wit da language no more.
Some legacy, whew.
nit’s a twit to thee & me!
Is this 75-mile-rule based on a regular car driving on paved roads, winding it’s way between these two locations…or an all-terrain vehicle making a beeline, crossing fields and streams and front lawns, while only occassionally using pavement?
What? This wasn’t differentiated in the law being considered?
Well, then, it seems like the Supreme Court ruling should be a no-brainer, or at least a no-brainer for Roberts, Scalia, Alito and Thomas, since they are bound to side with the corporatists (and corporate profits) over the woman.
On the other hand, anyone with brains on the Supreme Court would rule that the 75-mile-rule is as the crow flies…or as an all-terrain vehicle drives…or as a compass measures out 75 miles on a map.