There were some people who took violent exception to Pachacutec's posts back in the winter, here and here where he (quite properly) referred to the Texas detention centers that are housing whole families of Latino immigrants "concentration camps". David Neiwert followed up nicely with two posts here and here on the etymology of the term "concentration camp".
Both gentlemen handled the topic with the eloquence for which they are known, but to their voices, I would like to add that of Asian-American rights activist Yuri Kochiyama. I heard some of her work on the radio today as part of Democracy, Now's presentation of a live reading of excerpts from Howard Zinn's Voices of A People's History of the United States.
Kochiyama was an American girl, born and bred, but was sent to the Japanese Internment Camps in 1942 at the age of 20. Here is some of what I heard today about what happened to her and her family:
I was so red, white and blue, I couldn't believe this was happening to us. America would never do a thing like this to us. This is the greatest country in the world. So I thought this is only going to be for a short while, maybe a few weeks or something, and they will let us go back. At the beginning no one realized how long this would go on. I didn't feel the anger that much because I thought maybe this was the way we could show our love for our country, and we should not make too much fuss or noise, we should abide by what they asked of us. I'm a totally different person now than I was back then. I was naive about so many things. The more I think about, the more I realize how little you learn about American history. It's just what they want you to know.
(snip)
We always called the camps "relocation centers" while we were there. Now we feel it is apropos to call them concentration camps. It is not the same as the concentration camps of Europe; those we feel were death camps. Concentration camps were a concentration of people placed in an area, and disempowered xvi disenfranchised. So it is apropos to call what I was in a concentration camp. After two years in the camp, I was released ….
While some Americans may not have the good sense to be ashamed that our country fell prey to xenophobic hysteria during World War Two, most people are able to acknowlege that rounding up families, confiscating their belongings, and stripping them of their human rights was a terrible mistake. And yet, here we are again:
STILLMORE, Ga.
September 16, 2006– Trailer parks lie abandoned. The poultry plant is scrambling to replace more than half its workforce. Business has dried up at stores where Mexican laborers once lined up to buy food, beer, and cigarettes just weeks ago.This Georgia community of about 1,000 people has become little more than a ghost town since Sept. 1, when federal agents began rounding up illegal immigrants.
The sweep has had the unintended effect of underscoring just how vital the illegal immigrants were to the local economy.
More than 120 illegal immigrants have been loaded onto buses bound for immigration courts in Atlanta, 189 miles away. Hundreds more fled Emanuel County. Residents say many scattered into the woods, camping out for days. They worry some are still hiding without food.
At least one child, born a US citizen, was left behind by his Mexican parents: 2-year-old Victor Perez-Lopez. The toddler's mother, Rosa Lopez, left her son with Julie Rodas when the raids began and fled the state. The boy's father was deported to Mexico.
This makes me think about Laura Flanders on Lou Dobbs when she pointed out to him that his continued references to "illegal aliens" rather than "people" or even "immigrants" strip these people of their humanity. And frankly, that's mighty dangerous in a republic such as ours, which has such a vast and variegated history of serial dehumanization. Whether we're trading you smallpox blankets for tracts of land or invading your country for the oil underneath it, it apparently takes shockingly little to become less than human in the eyes of America.
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TRex!
TexBetsy @ 2
You can’t be timid about these things. Zed announcements should be bold and forthright. For example: I did not get the zed!
EvilDrPuma @ 3
Thanks :)
Evening, gang!
Kind of a somber post tonight.
If we need a Late Late Nite, I’ll see if I can lighten things up a little.
TRex, I’m Alabama bound this coming weekend!
oddmommy, left you a message downstairs.
The Administration, when under right-wing control, always plans these things.
Anyone remember when, under Reagan, Ollie North was working on plans to, ahem, ‘quarentine’ Central American immigrants?
I could use some lightening up. The Boy King desecrating Arlington with his presence, followed by the Duke men’s lacrosse team losing by one goal in the national championship game, has made me decidedly morose.
Yo, T, I’m streaming your station, BTW.
EvilDrPuma @ 4
You are Evil!!! :P
At least the Ducks won.
Good radio voice, T.
These relocations are such a stupid economic move.
So, some business owners take an economic crush due to the relocation of buyers.
Other businesses lose cheap labor, and lose output of goods and services.
burnspbesq @ 13
Beat the Senators??? Ooh, Petrocelli must be fuming!!!
SteveAudio @ 11
I’m off tonight. I am writing to you from my well-appointed domicile.
TRex @ 6
Somber, but important. You’re right about the serial dehumanization…and there’s also a real problem with post hoc sanitization. I was on the phone with my mother today about my folks’ Virginia vacation this past week, and when she mentioned they had visited a plantation, she seemed a little baffled that I would ask whether there were reconstructed slave quarters. Of course I’d ask…slavery was the whole economic basis of the plantation system, so not including them is dusting an ugly piece of history right under the rug.
By the way, no, there were no slave quarters. Apparently this plantation ran on telekinesis or something.
TRex @ 17
That explains why the radio voice didn’t really sound like you.
Now I understand.
Evenin, TRex. Is it still your birthday?
I wonder how little Victor is doing? That is life long trauma for a two-year-old. And he’s just one of how many?
TRex @ 17
Where Juan Carlos is on his throne, and his humble therapod-servant tends to his every whim.
Evening all. Great post TRex, but I have a minor point pick with you. The whole smallpox blankets thing is basically a myth. There are only two at least partially documented instances where this happened both during the colonial period. In the first the Dutch at Fort Orange (modern Albany) issued blankets to the Mohicans and in the second case Jeffery Amherst, British commander for the northern district, authorized the distrubition of such blankets at Detroit during the French and Indian War. Despite the authorization, there is no documentation to show that the blankets were ever actually issued. Given the disease ridden state of European colonists and frequent contacts with Indians, no such mechanism is necessary to account for the massive epidemics which devastated native populations. There are more than enough legitimate horrors committed against the Indians without drawing on imaginary outrages.
Those Relocation Centers are still a simmering issue here in the Isles, Sen. Inouye’s immediate family was ‘Relocated’ while he was serving in the 442nd!!!
Excellent post TRex.
DrDick @ 23
You’re making my head hurt. Oh, can I just leave it in there as a commonly accepted figure of speech? Please?
Damn Trex, this is the perfect punctuation to this day. This administration has been a dividing, demeaning and demagogic bunch since day one. The hate they spew forth, such as Cheney at West Point, is horrible. Supposedly the Goddess works in mysterious ways but these fools are beyond the pale. Cursed be them and theirs and their works! Cursed be their names to history!
Loo Hoo. @ 8
saw it, thanks, Loo Hoo!
(btw, are you any relation to Little Cindy Loo Who, who was no more than two?)
Yeah, you keep picking on Trex’s reasoning, and he’s gonna leave a trail of tears.
Here’s some wiki on the diseases of native Americans if you’ve got the stomach for it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P…..us_peoples
Either that, cancer cures, or he will turn around suddenly – watch out for that tail – it will leave a mark.
CTuttle @ 24
There is always the original American detention centers right there in TRex’s backyard. When Andrew Jackson in his infinite wisdom decided that there was no room for Indians east of the Mississippi, he had the Cherokees rounded up at gun point and placed in internment camps. They were only allowed to take the clothes on their backs. Thousands died there. They were then forcibly marched overland to what is now eastern Oklahoma during the winter. Many thousands more died in route, giving the trip its common Cherokee name, “The Trail Where They Cried” or Trail of Tears. Between the camps and the forced march, 1/4 of the Cherokee population (about 4,000 people) died. For that matter, reservations are simply another form of detention camps.
With apologies to Ted:
That Bush-regime, that Bush-regime,
I do not like that Bush-regime.
Do you like a bogus meme?
Anyone who wants to add to this, feel free.
WaPoO chatz tomorrow; questions accepted anytime!
Michael Abramowitz at 11am eastern
Rajiv Chandrasekaran at Noon eastern
Andrew J. Bacevich at Noon eastern
Eugene Robinson at 1pm eastern
Modern day Manzanars, just the hell what we need. Lou Dobbs isn’t any better than the people who fanned the flames after Pearl Harbor.
oddmommy @ 28
My six month old chihuahua is named after little Cindy Loo Hoo. (who is no more than two). lolo suggested I take the handle right here on late night with TRex.
Xenophob*a is such a small hurdle to get over. All it takes, is one or three positive encounters with a member of the group you most fear or hate. And voila! It starts to evaporate.
Of course, I guess it goes both ways – 1 or 3 negative encounters, and you will start detesting..
(MOD NOTE: *Edited to allow through spam filter)
Can’t hang. School early….my deepest regards, everyone. See you tomorrow.
I had grown up hoping that America had learned from our past mistakes. Now I see that boosh is just determined to repeat as many of them as he can in his terms in office. Is prohibition next?
Hi & Bye RonD.
RonD @ 37
Sleep well.
DrDick, wasn’t it Sitting Bull who said, “The White Man has made many promises, more than I can count. He hasn’t kept but one; he promised to take our land, and he took it.”
Suzanne @ 38
That’s the infamous “War on Drugs”, which has been about as successful as either his other war or the original prohibition. Drugs are more abundant, and in some cases cheaper, than they were before the all out assault. The major consequence has been to overfill our prison and judicial system with minor drug offenders.
Suzanne @ 38
If prohibition were to come, it’d be from people like Tipper Gore and Lieberman. Watch out – they have support in both parties. The nerdy, meek elements of both parties that is.
Suzanne @ 38
Probably not, but I hear that my local public library is moving all of its copies of The Handmaid’s Tale from the fiction section to Government & Public Policy.
Loo Hoo. @ 41
Yep. A wise and perceptive man.
DrDick @ 32
DD, couldn’t agree with you more, American history is rife with tragedies; the Arapaho in Colo., the Lakota, etc…
Suzanne @ 39
Got some excellent prohibition going on all outside of EssEff, from what I hear…. you know, that War On Drugs?
What about the poultry plant owners? Are they being prosecuted? Illegal immigration will not be solved until our government gets to the root of the problem: those who hire and egregiously profit from paying them low wages and no taxes. I know this is a major over-simplification of the problem but rarely do we hear of the employers being reprimanded or imprisoned. Just sayin…
Will you try it with a gun?
Will you try it in Iraqi sun?
I do not like it here or there.
I do not like it anywhere.
DrDick @ 43
It would be wise to avoid the “War on…” frame in the future, I think. It clearly leads to bad policies and worse implementations.
I’m ordering The Phone tomorrow, gang, as soon as the birthday checks go through. I have decided to get the black and bronze one. These were the options I had to contend with.
Nokia 7370, Espresso
Nokia 7373, Black and Bronze
Nokia 7373, Black Chrome
im4mary @ 48
Of course they are not being prosecuted. Don’t be silly. That’s Bush’s REAL base.
That is a great Birthday phone, TRex.
Black and bronze is most manly.
And happy birthday!
Loo Hoo. @ 36
cool! wish I could have witnessed this. I LOVE doggies, AND Dr. Seuss…….who by the way was a genius. Genius exists among many walks of life where no one ever thinks to notice it, children’s writers and cartoonists, among others.
For example, The Lorax! Any Lorax fans here? Sorry, Al Gore, but Dr Seuss foresaw the inconvenient truth long before you and Tipper were modeling for Love Story…
(CAVEAT: All in good fun! No disrespect intended! Please don’t beat me, o ye mighty Gore supporters!)
Suzanne @ 54
My priorities are so whacked, I will freely admit. I should be saving money, buying a car. Instead, I just want to be immaculately dressed and have a totally pimpin’ phone.
Don’t forget about the Katrina Trailer Parks. The trailers are making people sick from famaldahyde. And in some places they are in the middle of no where and the people often have no transportation. And reporters are not allowed in. EVER.
First a totally pimpin’ phone, TRex, then a totally pimpin’ car. Now you got the phone, you can start saving up for that car.
TRex @ 52
Hold it gently in your forepaws, or be sure to get the insurance…
Loo Hoo. @ 49
Do you like it on a board,
Onto which the water’s poured?
Like it flat, or like it hilly,
Like it when we beat you silly?
Hi y’all. SOrry I yelled in the last thread. Mostly all better now.
Turns out WORDPRESS messes you up if you “save and continue editing” and then you have to re-paste. That is why it looked OK for a minute and then it didn’t.
TRex @ 56
Who needs a car? If you are immaculately dressed and have a totally pimpin’ phone, you can call one of your legion of suitors and he will drive you wherever you want.
CTuttle @ 24
I had no idea.
He is one senator I’ve met and remember fondly.
I had thought this attack by Amherst was true. Didn’t George Washington start the “French and Indian War”. Obviously the name itself is propaganda. It should be called The French and British War.
SnarKassandra @ 62
Evenin’, Cassie. Are we still on the midnight curfew?
This and this are what I wrote about the immigrant concentration camp in Taylor. But that was when I was mostly copying articles and writing a little bit myself. Now I know how to write an article ABOUT an article and don’t quote the whole thing.
Mutant Poodle @ 66
I dunno. I may crash before that. I kinda worked myself up into a bit of a tantrum over here. My brother says I am too smart and I don’t know how to do stuff that takes more than one try to get right.
Margot @ 64
Did you notice his lack of an arm? All in all, He has done a good job, however, moderate would be an understatement, blue dog Dem, is more apropo!!!
Sigh.
Boys don’t notice things like your phone, your hair, or your cologne. Only women notice that stuff. Of course, now that I think about it, men may notice, too, and never say anything.
im4mary @ 49
I’m sure they’re paying taxes and social security for the large companies.
Margot @ 63
The 442nd was formed by recruits from the internment camps and served in Europe, becoming the most highly decorated unit in US Army history. There was an American Legion post in Chicago composed entirely of these men. I had the honor to know a few.
I’m getting in touch with my inner Irishman tonight.
The Corrs live at Lansdowne Road
SnarKassandra @ 66
Great posts, Cassie. This is a really important issue that obviously affects kids your age (and younger).
Look at this crazy Bluetooth thingie. It’s so Star Trek.
If I wore that around here, I’d get my ass kicked so fast…
TRex @ 75
It looks cool.
I can bluetooth send music and pix to and from my phone, and addresses and all that stuff. from phone to computer or back.
In exhaustion, I am reverting to total shallowness mode. Like, oooooh, does this match my eyes? mode.
Suzanne @ 59
What if you were in the car and had a flat? How could you call for help?
TRex @ 74
Who would dare pick a fight with a 60 foot theropod?
SnarKassandra @ 68
Try studying a martial art…you will be doing things over and over and always have room for improvement. It’s a great lesson.
DrDick @ 72
Damn Skippy, they were the most highly decorated, they were the one’s that saved the ‘Lost Battalion’ during the ‘Battle of the Bulge’ after already having marched up the Italian Boot!!! Also, one of the most heavily ‘atrited’ Unit’s!!!
I like the Bluetooth phone best. How much is that puppy?
CTuttle @ 69,
I remembered something about it, but I couldn’t think if it was a hand or an arm.
I was just 10 or so. My dad worked for someone in a nearby office, and his boss introduced my mom and me to Sen. Inouye.
I thought he was a sweet man.
Okay so now Bush decides to think about the poor souls in Darfur.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..id=topnews
Loo Hoo. @ 83
Yeah right. I really doubt that this will have much effect or that Bush will pursue it very vigorously. After all, these are poor black people we’re talking about and Bush only cares about rich white men.
Mutant Poodle @ 80
That’s very good advice. Certainly, studying a martial art was a big part of how I survived my adolescence. The combination of mental discipline and progressive self-improvement can be very helpful if you’re bright and needing to learn how to be challenged without falling apart.
EvilDrPuma @ 86
Which martial art, pray tell?
Loo Hoo. @ 82
It works with any phone, but is not itself a phone. They cost, uh…hang on…Eighty bucks.
I bet you could find it cheaper on eBay, though.
Loo Hoo. @ 82
You can get a bluetooth puppy?
TRex @ 88
Or you could hold the phone up to your ear when you talk.
Hi, folks.
TRex and I just got off the phone and I am trying to find a link to any online representation of the Eric Roberson song “Find the Way,” which is my perfect definition of “quiet cool.”
I think that my hero ?uestlove from the Roots played drums on this track.
I have to admit to you, my firepup confidantes, if the right New Soul act called tomorrow, the whole roaring/smashing/metalband thing would go RIGHT OUT THE WINDOW.
Watching Joan Osbourne sing with the Funk Brothers in “Standing in the Shadow of Motown” actually rearranged something in my DNA.
And don’t assume I can’t play the downtempo and funky stuff…. ask the Therapod….
http://online.wsj.com/article/…..75488.html
Found this at WSJ. It seems to be an update on some really grand social experiment. I wonder who and why the decision was made to raid this chicken plant.
OK Trex, do a Late-Late Nite but only if you want to. Jees what a spoiled birthday boy!
Mutant Poodle @ 89
I bet they eat less food and you don’t have to train them to not pee on the carpet.
Bluetooth phone is just for the ear, TRex explains. No jueno.
Mutant Poodle @ 87
Tae kwon do. Later, after injuring my knee so that I couldn’t continue, I tried aikido a couple of times, but I found that I was too much of a blunt-instrument personality to mesh well with it, at least at the time. GoodMrsPuma and I are talking about trying t’ai ch’i, and I think I might be more settled and readier for the softer styles now.
SnarKassandra @ 90
Right on, Cassie!!! You tell’em!!! ;)
EvilDrPuma @ 94
One of my friends in Chicago was a Tae Kwon Do Master and the father of another friend was a Kendo sensei.
Mary McCurnin @ 58
Mary, I heard about the formaldehyde and distance, but the press is not allowed there? And the press isn’t screaming bloody murder?
Another worry…
Hope you’re still here, Mary.
DrDick @ 97
I understand the appeal, believe me. I would have liked to continue, but I screwed myself out of that opportunity (the knee injury was really my own fault…I hadn’t stretched adequately, and I should have known better, but youth and impatience are a bad combination).
CTuttle @ 16
Sorry I’m late, had to do an extended meditation to get over the Senators losing.
It is the first game, they will win the second and we’ll put the Moosehead draft in to chill for when they win it all … *g*
Here comes the tail…
*THWACK!*
Mouthy little-, why I oughta…
Must suck being a hocky fan and yet a yogi master – talk about conflicting emotions (wink) sorry
TRex @ 100
Ouch! That had to leave a mark. We seem to have a testy theropod this evening. Definitely need to find him a new boy toy.
EvilDrPuma @ 95
I wonder if that’s a youth vs. experience thing…I study Hapkido, which has similar roots to Aikido (the two translate the same – Hapkido, in Korean, and Aikido, in Japanese, both mean, essentially, “way of coordinated power”, and the founders of both arts studied under the same master – Master Takeda – in Japan). I love the non-resistant element of it, and I find that it changes the way I look at conflict. I don’t automatically take conflicts head-on, which is, physically, what the harder styles do.
A friend is a black belt in Kung Fu, and that requires much Tai Chi. It’s a beautiful art, and a healing art. I hope you two can figure out a way to give it a try.
TRex @ 101
no violence.
Hey Trex, great post!
This story caught my eye back in February and I’m glad to see that it’s finally getting some attention.
It’s. just. so. wrong.
Just stumbled across this BBC clip on YouTube and must share, in case there are any other lovers of Celtic music at the lake tonight.
The fantastic Irish band Lunasa, with guests Karan Casey and Sara Watkins (of Nickel Creek). The song is from one of Karan’s solo albums.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2uU-A6U_Jc
Here comes the tail…
*THWACK!*
Mouthy little-, why I oughta…
I warned ya’ll about that tail…
Petrocelli @ 100
So much for a Senatorial Sweep!!! Bwhahaha… *g*
DrDick @ 97
It’s an interesting community – we have out own masters at our dojang (our Grandmaster, Bong Soo Han, passed away in January after battling cancer) and I have encountered many others who have come to our school to study with Master Han, whose popular claim to fame is that he did the fight scenes in Billy Jack (and was the evil Master in Kentucky Fried Movie).
burnspbesq @ 45
LOL
(late to thread)
TRex @ 101
[Note to self - don’t piss off the therapod.]
EvilDrPuma said, “GoodMrsPuma and I are talking about trying t’ai ch’i, and I think I might be more settled and readier for the softer styles now.”
My wife and I are trying to learn tai chi right now. So far it has been frustrating, because I don’t seem to have any memory for sequences of physical motions. I’m hoping it will come easier after more practice. I can see the part about always room for more improvement, though.
Back in a bit. Have to go hit the ATM so that Man-Cub has lunch money tomorrow.
Hey Kirk.
See you got a second front pager today. Good job. I fear there is no escaping the Frankenfood – what we do not eat directly, they feed to the animals we do eat (excepting the vegans in the house).
We have a cranky therapod tonight, km. Too much birthday cake and ice cream I fear.
AZ Matt @ 27
Damn, man! Well said!
SnarKassandra @ 90
I hope I nevvuh get on Cassie’s bad side. *g*
Suzanne @ 102
I never fight a woman who has a taser … *g*
neurophius @ 113
There is a famous story (perhaps apocryphal, but maybe not) about a student who encounters a great master martial artist practicing in his studio. Assuming that he would be working on some complicated attack or counter-attack, he asks the master what he has been doing. To which the master replies, well, I think I may have figured out the reverse punch.
Hapkido doesn’t have forms, or katas, which suits me fine. Firends of mine can’t imagine a martial art without them. Go figure.
Mutant Poodle @ 104
I wonder about youth vs. experience too. I was always a fan of Taoism, for example, but as I push forty it seems more natural than it used to. I guess I’m starting to change into less of a blunt instrument than I used to be…although I have a long way to go. And while any martial art, properly taught and properly studied, is really about nonviolence, it’s easier to see that with the softer, less direct styles like aikido or hapkido.
burnspbesq @ 33
Do you like a theiving scheme?
neurophius @ 113
I suspect it will get easier. Forms, katas–whatever one calls them–always take some time and practice to internalize, and tai chi is very strong on that aspect. But that was also always my favorite part of tae kwon do.
For our crabbier lake swimmers this evening, a midnight snack.
For the rest of us, something less snarky.
TexBetsy @ 124
Love that first one, TB – I see you got your snark on :)
Margot @ 64
Unfortunately, Inouye is something of a blue dog. Progressive Punch gives him a Progressive Score of 82% across all issues. He’s best on Fair Taxation (97%), worst on Housing (33%), and he’s not exactly pro-labor (68%). But when progressive Sen. Dan Akaka was challenged by blue dog Ed Case last year, Inouye really went to bat for Akaka. So I’m grateful for that, as well as for his service to our country.
BTW, for comparison, Lieberman has a Progressive Score of 76%, and Akaka gets 91%.
Bob in HI
TexBetsy @ 124
So much for that diet.
cancer_cures @ 44
It pains me to see Hojo and Tipper compared. She was a wigged out mother – move on. HoJo is a corporate opportunist, a traitor to his former party and future generations. He certainly isn’t my idea of a patriotic citizen.
TexBetsy @ 123
I’ll take one of each. :-)
Suzanne @ 102
The fighting I can live without, but it is fun to meditate while watching a fast- paced hockey game.
My consciousness rises to where I can see the game like the rise and fall of waves in the Ocean.
So much of life is in concert … perfectly synchronized … but to many, it appears to be random havoc.
CTuttle @ 109
Yeah, they played like the team was full of Democrats. *g*
Petrocelli @ 119
Or cuffs!!! OT-Suzanne; ‘Hockey’… ;)
neurophius @ 112
It’ll go into muscle memory eventually. Once you get it down and just focus on moving, it becomes something extraordinary. I’m fairly young(at 29) but i love the art of tai chi. But i was meditating at 16 on my own too, the focus part for me was no problem. but i had to learn the movements with a LOT of practice, then the two eventually clicked. That was it and i was in love.
It’s something i really want to take up again. Endometriosis isn’t really all that kind if you’re active. But Tai Chi is low impact but excellent for tone and balance, so i could do it without worrying about a flare up. You get a quiet but effective workout in those smooth sequences.
Petrocelli @ 129
Sort of like John Woo’s beautifully choreographed ballets of death?
Bob Schacht @ 126
Mahalo, Bob!!! Couldn’t have said it better!!! :O
Petrocelli @ 129
***
Was it George Will who once wrote that football should be our national game, rather than baseball? He maintained that football is the essence of the American spirit: “Random acts of violence, punctuated by committee meetings.”
I’m not a fan of Will’s politics, but I often think of his quote when I’m watching a football game.
SnarKassandra @ 68
Ah, Cassie! I hope you learn the values of persistence and patience. Especially if you want to get into politics! Sometimes it takes many tries to get it right.
Aloha,
Bob in HI
OK, speaking of Hapkido, I have class at 6:10 AM. So off to bed for me.
‘Night, pups…don’t pig out on Aunt Betsy’s snacks.
Suzanne @ 116
Hope it was organic.
DrDick @ 115
Thanks DrDick. I’m glad you liked it!
I’m also glad Jane made the discussion possible and all* the commenters made the discussion happen.
(*the supra-bridge)
late edit: As far as Frankenfeeds go, the organic producers here at the farmers’ markets describe looking for and using organic feed materials for their dairy and dinner herds and flocks, so it seems to be technically possible….
Petrocelli @ 130
Damn, that’s what it was, random havoc caused the puck to find the crease… :P
Densho
Densho’s mission is to preserve the testimonies of Japanese Americans who were unjustly incarcerated during World War II before their memories are extinguished.
I feel the urge to read and then sleep. Be excellent to each other.
Night EDP. Channel your chi to a peaceful slumber.
Mutant Poodle @ 120
I do not know any masters personally, but Bruce Lee expressed true mastery to me.
When asked what was his style, he replied, “My style is no style.”
When asked which color belt he had attained, he replied that belts were for holding up one’s pants.
He showed how highly evolved one’s consciousness must be to attain mastery of his art.
This is true, not only for martial arts but for every aspect of life.
Good night EDP & MP. The snarky one just fell asleep on the couch.
DrDick @ 85
I think Condi is working both sides of the table on the Sudan. It seems a bit like cutting deals with Hitler in order to deal with Commie agents. (”Commie” here is analogous to Al Qaeda agents reputedly holed up in the Sudan).
Bob in HI
TRex — thanks for the nod to Yuri Kochiyama. Fitting to cover the flipside of Memorial Day; while our troops were fighting to preserve democracy, their country was undermining it on the homefront. It was easy enough to do when the interned could be easily identified as “other”, being non-white.
We’ve learned nothing from the losses of our troops or our citizens’ freedoms over the course of history, have we?
And now off to bed…
DrDick @ 134
… except that the core is filled with love and bliss …
Night Rayne.
Just watched Pan’s Labyrinth for the first time. What a well done film. Boy, I really don’t like fascists.
-GSD
P.S. Bill Frist diagnoses his chances as World Bank President and determines them to be in a persistent vegetative state.
TexBetsy @ 145
Ditto, and so much for Midnite!!! ;)
by the way, folks, this is incredible….
Who knew Stevie Wonder was an incredible drummer?
Rayne @ 147
Sleep well dear Rayne.
Maybe if Condi can make the Sudan feel like the Soviet Union, she can understand something for a change. What a ridiculous waste of space we have in the Secretary of State. Truly an appalling personage.
Well, I think I will join the rush to bed. I’ve been fighting a cold all day and I’m beat. Keep you yin and yang balanced and feel the snark.
good night rayne
good night Dr D
Just to set the record straight – Jane has the taser – she uses it when our beloved therapod is overdoing it on the *ahem* shopping.
I’m the bitch with a badge. And no, CT, I’m not going to cuff ya. :)
SnarKassandra @ 90
Hah! an excellent bit of snark! *g*
Bob in HI
Good night Rayne and EDP and Mutant Poogle. (and CTuttle? – can’t tell?).
Hope you all sleep well.
g’nite to all those going to bed.
Bob@137, Especially since OBL learned the ‘construction’ trade in Sudan, initially, and, IRCC, one or two of the 911 hijackers were Sudanese Arabs!!!
Rayne @ 147
Is there anything you don’t know, Rayne?
Suzanne @ 158
:P!!!
kirk murphy @ 160
Nite, Doc!!!
GSD @ 150
You funny tonight, GSD!
Suzanne @ 161
… and also to those going to sleep … *g*
is it possible that the idiot who wrote this book isn’t aware that there is a somewhat negative connotation to the phrase “final solution”? How did it slip past his editors as well?
How clueless are these people?
Excellent post, TRex. Reading it made me think of something Jackie Huggins, an Aboriginal woman, wrote in the preface to her book Sister Girl (published in 1998 by University of Queensland Press).
“One of the most profound sayings I’ve heard from Aboriginal people is that whitefellas don’t know how to behave; an interesting notion indeed.”
patrick rex @ 167
EXTREMELY clueless or EXTREMELY evil and telegraphing the real plan.
Suzanne @ 161
I’ll be around for a bit.
I had quite a weekend– two late-night jam sessions on Sat. & Sun, didn’t get home until 3 AM Sunday morning. So my sleep cycles are all messed up. And tomorrow’s a work day.
Bob in HI
patrick rex @ 152
Wow, PRex, I sure never knew he played the drums. He is amazing.
patrick rex @ 168
Too clueless for words.
burnspbesq @ 107
Great stuff! Thanks for this and for the Corrs. See this one too.
I object to violence because when it appears to do good, the good is only temporary; the evil it does is permanent. - Mahatma Gandhi
Petrocelli @ 174
Thanks P!
patrick rex @ 168
And what, precisely is The Final Solution? Don’t say Iran or I swear it won’t be pretty.
TexBetsy @ 176
The essence on non violence has been misunderstood, like so many aspects of yoga. The irony is, they are so simple that it is virtually impossible to misunderstand them.
TexBetsy @ 124
ohjeebus, I’ll take the crabcake!
Suzanne I hope your weekend was good = and hoping you had more sunshine on the north side of our fickle open ocean bay than we did. Sun finally came out this afternoon but windy and cold and yucky.
open italics tag closed
Bob Schacht @ 171
What do you play, Bob?
Loo Hoo. @ 177
If you look at the companion authors in the Amazon snippet, nothing but Neocons and A*P*C neophytes!!!
Sunshine for most of the day up here npb. at 626 above sea level, i am many nights above the fog bank. cold tho
Sangemon @ 179
I’ll have half a piece of each, please.
Yeah, I was browsing around on Amazon and the words “Final Solution” in the title made me go… “whuh??”
Amazing.
Loo Hoo. @ 185
That’s what I was thinking! Both look scrumptious!!!
patrick rex @ 152
OH. MY. GOD.
Yo, TRex: Crowded House in Atlanta September 12.
I don’t eat crab, but I do hang out with a few or them.
*burp* they were delicious
Betsy, you’ll like this one as well …
What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of
totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty or democracy? - Mahatma Gandhi
And my final Gandhi quote of the night …
What do I think of Western civilization? I think it would be a very good idea. - Mahatma Gandhi
OK, here’s who I was jamming with the past two nights: High Tide. Only that’s not me on the bass. I was jamming with the banjo guy and the mandolin player, who happens to be blind. And some others. Much fun, but I don’t bounce back from staying up until the wee hours of the morning as well as I used to. *g*
Bob in HI
Thanks, Petrocelli, for the Gandhi.
Cindy Sheehan has given it up after losing her marriage and more.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/05/…..index.html
Sangemon @ 179
I’ve had some absolutely divine crabcake in the Washington DC area. Transcendentally delicious! But I’ve also had a lot of pretty mediocre crabcake, too. The good stuff is worth paying more for, but paying more doesn’t always get you the good stuff!
Bob in HI
To defeat them, First we must understand them.
- Elie Wiesel
Condi, she’s so sappy she was calling Russia ‘the Soviets’ at a presser a few weeks ago.
Condi, step back into the time machine and move the lever forward.
-GSD
P.S. Did you see the wrong-wing meltdown over the “fake US mission in Iraq” memo?
Oh, the wingers are shitting and going blind.
Loo Hoo. @ 195
If she’s been holding out this long, no wonder.
Loo Hoo. @ 182
Upright bass is what has been my ticket into some of the best jam sessions of my life. But I also play some (acoustic) guitar, and am trying to learn some mandolin and ukulele. Do you play something?
Bob in HI
My neighbor makes the best crab cakes and won’t give up the recipe. Only hint I got was the recipe has creole roots.
Sangemon @ 188
You must be a drummer, because I had the SAME reaction…
Bob Schacht @ 196
True that, but that one looked like the good stuff to me.
Petrocelli @ 193
Nice quotes P!!! Mahoutmas was a noble man!!! If he had been Catholic he’d have been Sainted by now!!!
News flash!
I’m going to be on the radio on David Goldstein’s show in about half an hour.
KIRO-am talk radio.
To call in, dial:
1-877-710-KIRO
Loo Hoo. @ 195
i read about this earlier … Cindy has learnt what so many people in the 60’s and 70’s discovered just as harshly … getting outside mainstream politics makes you an enemy of both sides.
I hope some affluent patriots will form a coalition to keep her involved through the ‘08 elections.
They can run candidates against the Reps as well as the Bluedogs.
Cindy Sheehan, if you ever come to Toronto, I offer you unlimited meditation classes.
Bob Schacht @ 194
So, Bob, you play the base? And were you and the banjo and mandolin player just jamming for fun or was there an audience? So sorry you have to get up early for work.
Sangemon @ 203
In that case, I’ll take TWO! *g*
Bob in HI
TRex @ 204
Enjoy TRex.
I plan to be sound asleep in half an hour. Good night all.
tbsa @ 197
Keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer… Sun Tzu
Loo Hoo. @ 195
Thanks Loo Hoo – Cindy Sheehan is an American heroine and will be remembered in history as an authentic heroine IMHO. Right up there with Valerie Plame.
SWEET TRex. We can listen online?
Suzanne @ 212
Yes, ma’am.
CTuttle @ 204
The new generation in India have taken to his teachings with a fervor like the pre- independence days.
kirk murphy @ 199
I know what you mean. Perhaps it wasn’t healthy.
Reading about Cindy Sheehan really saddened me.
-GSD
Nite, Tex!!!
What is the topic, TRex?
patrick rex @ 202
No, not a drummer, but I do love the good ones.
I used to think Cindy Sheehan was not the best of leaders for the anti war movement. I considered the anti war movement of the past during Vietnam, and it was a younger generation.
But the difference is, the war affected the younger generation due to the draft. Thus, the backbone of the movement.
I didn’t think about it until I heard her ‘leaving’ the anti war movement, but she represents the others who are affected by the war – The families. She is a great person and leader for this sorely needed opposition. I can only hope that someone thanks her for her activity for these past years.
She’ll be back.
Loo Hoo. @ 207
Mostly for fun. I almost became a member of High Tide, several times, but I think I might have gotten crosswise with the guitar player they had then, and because of my work hours, I am not as available as they need me to be. I was a founding member of the band Front Range, which you only will have heard of if you know Bluegrass music. But they didn’t start making albums until after I had to leave the band for health reasons.
Bob in HI
TRex @ 205
I can’t get the player to work so I can listen.
Stock in Corrections Corporation of American (CXW – NYSE) has gone from $10 to over $60 in five years.
You’d probably never guess who owns a lot of this stock!?
And you’d be right.
Petrocelli @ 214
That is heartening to hear, P!!! Especially with Pakistan and India rattling nuclear sabres!!
Loo Hoo. @ 222
I too get “URL Not Valid”
Suzanne @ 218
I’m not sure we have one.
Petrocelli @ 214
So its true – woo hoo! I had heard this but it sounded too good to be well, true. My American Jazz Age art hero, Stowitts, went to India in 1928, met Gandhi and painted several remarkable portraits of him and if I can figure out the linky thingamajig I’ll try to share my favorite painting of the two.
Try this link for the listen live.
Nighty night Betsy. Have a peaceful painless sleep.
Sangemon @ 224
Works fine for me!!! However, I have Cable Broadband!!! *g*
newspaperbrat, the link thing isn’t hard. I’m no expert, but I can tell you the simple, basic way.
1. Look at the top of your screen. See the http.// ?
2. Highlight that address
3. Edit to copy
4. Back to comment section
5. Edit to paste
Loo Hoo. @ 195
Textbook case of burnout, unfortunately. With any luck she’ll take the time she needs to heal a lot of those breaches in her life, and maybe come back to the movement. For now, she just needs time to regroup. I think she’ll always have a place being one of the few that started this wave of change. Her courage is limitless, but she’s human too.
Wow, that makes me so sad. I can’t imagine how disillusioned she must be feeling. My heart bleeds for her.
newspaperbrat @ 227
Hey NPB … it is very true … they are standing up to injustice, feeding the poor, breaking caste barriers even quicker than any previous generation …
Works fine for me!!! However, I have Cable Broadband!!!
*setting glare to halfway between stun and vaporized*
TRex @ 225
Does that mean we can blow him away again with a hearty FDL Aloooha?!!! *g*
Suzanne @ 234
(slinking under table, must get away from withering glare…) :P
CTuttle @ 224
India & Pakistan had to get nuclear weapons IMHO … Pakistan to fend off the Fundamental Arab hordes and India to neutralize China’s dominance in the region. Pakistan is a Muslim nation, not an Arab nation … kinda like the difference between Christians and Fundies … for those unfamiliar with the region.
Suzanne @ 235
Would that be charred toast?
Will TRex and the host take phone calls and do we know the number?
Ooh, the promo for TRex of FireDogLake, the crowd goes hysterical, flashback of the British Invasion….
newspaperbrat @ 239
Yes.
To call in, dial:
1-877-710-KIRO
newspaperbrat @ 227
Please post the link … I find it fascinating that ‘foreigners’ can capture Indian imagery more profoundly than the desi artists.
TRex-
knock em dead.
Your twin has had a full weekend and then had to work today….
Getting sleepy.
Y’all have fun now!
TRex @ 242
Thanks – can’t wait – everyone has a southern accent – is it a Georgia station? You’ll do great TRex – oh their playing Sting? woo hoo, feel better already.
Petrocelli @ 243
Here you go – web site linky to India
http://www.stowitts.org/india main.html
For those of us on dialup, is anyone gonna liveblog the discussion?
Does anybody hear TRex?
I hear a sexy voice!
linky for NPB
soon as we have him hooked up we’re going be talking to David….TRex of fdl….we got him
“Hi” “its two or eight in the morning”
your a radio whore I think…
“from two times you’ve got me staying up late”
i was raised by a psychiatrist
you say you want a cookie David….
great laugh
he is cracking up the host
“OMY I was so impressed with that book”
call me trex
clapping npb – you are doing good :)
Wow, head of China’s equivalent of the FDA is sentenced to death for bribery. Cat and dog food etc. He may get a reduced sentence.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asi…..699441.stm
Loo Hoo. @ 247
You betcha!!! But, Suzanne, I’m a two-fingered typer, a veritable ‘hunt-and-pecker‘!!!
They are tearing into the Right blogosphere!!!
CTuttle @ 254
Tell what you can with two fingers!
lolo @ 248
and?…
David said he reads FDL, but doesn’t read the comments!!! :( Asking if T gets many ‘Drive-bys’ , T-Not many!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 256
um … hunt and peck her? *g*
argh!
Can’t get the player to work!
We’re expecting hostile in-bound callers.
C’mon NPB and lolo, help me out!!! I want to call in!!!
Give ‘em hell.
I guess I am going to turn in, since I can’t get the stream to play. Any intel mac users here having any luck?
TRex @ 259
David was saying “Bring-em-on”!!! *g*
CTuttle @ 263
I think TRex is David.
TRex is David
David is taunting the Righties!!! Bwhahahaha!!!! “Please put us in our place, Call!!!”
Even if you can’t listen, you can still call in (unless you are dialup like me)
Hmmmmm. Per the Wikipedia:
No reference to a lack of humanity.
Presumably Laura Flanders doesn’t think that Lou Dobbs is accusing the illegally resident of coming from outer space.
I’ll call, but I don’t know what the hell they’re talking about.
Suzanne @ 264
Noooo, David Goldstein!!!
Aha – two Davids – sorry for any confusion.
(((Wigwam))) I finally read your post on dKos, saw it on the thread!!! Bravo!!! Nice job!!!
trex – we’re going to be in enemy territory tonite
the phone no doesn’t work for me
tom calling – question: trex big issue is immigration – elaborate how you would fix it
tr – well one thing tht neeeds to hapen we need to be realistic with what’s going on…..oh gosh…in my post tonite – immigration just routed the people out here in Georgia – rounded them up with weapons – writting about it tonite…need to do is offer people a simple wage what they’re worth….
gabby dj – in love with his own voice – swat him trex! now dj begging people to call but the number doesn’t work for me thus far….aghhhhhhhh.
Trex being so gallant and polite but has gotten few words in edgewise……
How did Marcy do this live blogging – can you guys all hear this?
They do traffic reports at 2am?
Loo Hoo. @ 270
Or try calling and throw trex something meaty and with luck the radio guy will let him rip – he sounds young and in awe of trex so maybe that explains his nervous dominance of the conversation.
newspaperbrat @ 272
I tell you, NPB, he is in love with his voice and taunting the Right!!!! Bwhahahaha… long commercial break folks!!!!
newspaperbrat @ 273
Yes, keep it up!
CT, you talking about goldie – not trex?
persiflage @ 275
… probably just a repeat of the 1 a.m. traffic report. *g*
loving your transcription, npb. hip hip hooray for npb for those of us on dialup or mac who can not hear it
T-there are no libertarians, only Repugs who smoke Pot!!!
Loo Hoo. @ 195
This is really sad. Do you suppose that the DLC is behind the back-stabbing? Looks like Rahm Emmanuel’s work, but I have no proof. It just seems like something he’d do.
Bob in HI
Suzanne @ 277
Yes’m, TRex is the name the DJ is using for expediency!!!
Hell yes they were concentration camps then and now. I am not sure how you folks feel about foul language on FDL..but lemme say to Lou Dobbs:
Fuck you Dobbs..twice even..with some concertina wire-wrapped pitchfork.
persiflage @ 275
It’s Seattle. They do traffic reports all the time because traffic is so horrendous there.
Lived there ‘03-’06.
keeps calling trex a liberal and tr laughing – introducing him from that “dirty liberal fire dog lake – call and put him in his place?
so trex we had a caller before the break – I can’t take credit for the libertarians…..talking about his twin…
“I cut you off”
tr the entire infrastructuer is collapsing – look around here in the south and –
let me just say this real quick – tr gets in a wm f. buckley quote –
“we’re afraid of Mexican’s….” tr laughing wildly and being oh so gracious -
dj keeps repeating he is jewish and you have to turn your pain into something….
David- need to build a wall along the northern border, to keep all the canadian sketch comics from taking all the american comic jobs!!!!
newspaperbrat said
No. Could you type that again? /s
You are doing really well!
Dusty, cursing is ok – violent statements and/or threats of such are not ok.
Phone number is good guys. The topic is borders here and in Iraq/Iran. I can’t tell which guy is TRex.
CTuttle @ 273
Thanks. It was the first time one of my diaries got “recommended” status. It provoked way more comment that I immagined.
There is certain to be an interesting (as in the Chinese curse) endgame between now and 1/20/09. The bottom line is that Bush cannot afford to resume civilian life in the U.S. without the benefit of a pardon. (Okay. Perhaps he’d settle for a guarantee of conservative Republican presidents for the balance of his natural life, but I doubt it.)
The guy who can’t get much of a word in edgewise is TRex from what I gather, LooHoo.
Loo Hoo. @ 289
Haven’t heard T in awhile, caller now, but that DJ is in love with his voice!!!
CTuttle @ 288
… and to keep them from filling all those Hockey teams with Canadians.
Commercials/news. I told the screener I wanted to talk about the DOJ!
Loo Hoo. @ 291
he is the one who can’t get many words in and now a caller is sucking up all the air time – the wall won’t work – send them more police?
dj – we’re talking with Trex of fdl- times for news headlines but promised trex could respond to the caller…..let us hope
Petrocelli @ 293
707
Paul Mc Nulty
Monica Goodling
____Samuelson??
Wigwam @ 290
Yeah, that coup you mentioned!!! Again, Kudos!!!
Sampson, LooHoo, plus AGAG
woo hoo Loo Hoo – you go girl and talk fast and tough to the well meaning dj with a direct question to trex.
Does that DJ ever shut up, ooh Loo Hoo is on!!!
CTuttle @ 298
Do you remember Jason Jones of TDS interviewing a member of the Minutemen?
The guy was guarding a part of the northern border from Canadians, who might sneak into America for better health care …
And he only guarded it during daylight, because it got dark at night and it wouldn’t be necessary to guard it then …
Felix Moronia @ 286
Where I live a 2am traffic report would be “well, there’s 6 cars on the freeway, that’s your traffic report for the hour”
TRex is the deeper, more polished speaking voice.
tr: hey
dj – am getting to our other – we’re just a couple of dumb liberals – going to terry
hi trex – hey i wanna talk about doj – and david…what do you see happening here with paul coming in and monice goodling and a good little girl
tr – you would think theyd be smart – you would think that obviously at one paint he is goining to have to call the wolfowitz thing – he’ll have to step down.
dj – he’ll have to deal with those emails
caller – I don’t know how they can pull this off
trex – got into regent credidentials – whose paying her legal fees anyway
WooHoo LooHoo! standing on chair clapping
Loo Hoo sounding great!
persiflage @ 305
Where I live, a 2 a.m. traffic report would be, “Take off, eh !!!”
Suzanne @ 308
WooHoo LooHoo
the YooHoo that YouDo
... sorry Suz …
CTuttleThe Devil made me do it ... *g*tr and the caller can’t get more than a few words in…….
tr – if you’re jonah goldberg -
tr – you gotta remember these guys are goldwater republicans – comey record on the whole you put the brakes on when something so egregious
dj – babble babble
caller just said just shows you how far
david do you have a candidate for president -
dj – al gore
tr – can’t stand his voice
caller – tried but failed to find out who tr will support
dj – hillary
tr – consider the gene pool
dj – says bye bye to best caller of the nite and asks tr if he’ll still stay around for the hour
tr – says he will and he is being so patient – who knew – what a champ – the caller was great and i already miss her….can only imagine how much trex does. ;~)
If one were to look a map of seattle you discover that there are only 3 ways into the city. I5 north and south and I90 from the east(405 around the lake doesn’t count) and it only takes a small pile up anywhere to tie it all up. Plus it’s a holiday week-end and I’m sure a lot of folks are on the way home. Even a midnight local.
TRex says he can’t listen to Al Gore’s voice for 8 years. How’s this for a voice TRex:
“You need to put food on your children…”
“Often is the question asked, is our children learning?”
A rare lucid moment — perhaps the first lucid moment ever recorded — for one of California’s absolute worst Congresscritters.
Issa sez engage with Syria.
Petrocelli @ 308
Take off, eh, hoser!!! *g*
LooHoo – call back and give a different name and southern accent – you were great!
newspaperbrat @ 316
First time I ever called in on a radio show!
Loo Hoo. @ 316
Congrats, nice job!!! DJ needs to get over his infatuation with himself!!!
TRex really has a great radio voice, huh?
…suzi…you cuff anybody tonight? Sounds like some beggin’ was goin’ on back aways…
CTuttle @ 316
… that would be the 3 a.m. traffic report … *g*
It is past 3 a.m. in Toronto, Goodnight dear friends … I hope TRex slaps that D.J. with his tail.
hey spidey – i just ignore it – why give ‘em what they want is one of my mottos :)
Are ya all recovered from your trip?
Upstairs everybody
TRex is upstairs
newtonusr @ 314
Too funny!
Petrocelli @ 320
Nite P! I’m on hold to ask TRex about NPSD-51!!
Suzanne @ 39
Well, no one would argue that heroin, cocaine, etc., are good things, and hopefully everyone will agree their use should be discouraged, but the present “war on drugs” model of massive criminalization has failed just as badly as prohibition. Everyone with any brains knows that some sort of treatment-type modality should be applied to all but the biggest drug kingpins but anyone who suggests this out loud is instantly villified by the right wing’s Mighty Wurlitzer.
What is this “zed” business at the beginning of most of the comments sections?
Is this thing still on?
Good…
As for: “dusting an ugly piece of history right under the rug.”…I’ve got a little problem with our old friend D. Neiwert’s etymology…
He’s not the only one to have traced the origin of the term “concentration camp” to the British during the Boer war…
He just didn’t look back far enough…
And he should have looked closer to home…
The term “concentration camp” was coined by Union general Thomas Ewing (who was also General Sherman’s brother-in-law) when he promulgated his infamous “Order No. 10″ which depopulated the countryside of the four westernmost counties of Missouri south of Kansas City during our Civil War…
Everyone had to either m,ove to town or into one of the “concentration camps” set up just outside the principle towns in those counties…As an effort to quell the violence between Missourians and Kansans that had been ongoing since the mid-1850’s (It went on long after the war ended, also)…
One fuirther note…Harry Truman’s grandmother was one of those “relocated” from their homes…Whenn she was allowed to return home, her house was luckily still there…Though the contents had been stripped…
Truman’s Grandmother stayed pissed about it for the rest of her life…When young Harry joined the Missouri National Guard, he visited wearing his new uniform – which happened to be blue – whereupon Grandma ordered him out of the house for wearing “that Yankee uniform”…