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		<title>By: Judge Moonbox</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/28/krugman-on-trust-and-betrayal/#comment-724230</link>
		<dc:creator>Judge Moonbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 01:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;When Mitt Romney says that a coalition of “Shia and Sunni and Hezbollah and Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda” wants to “bring down the West,” he should be ridiculed for his ignorance.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I wish Paul Krugman had used another epithet: “Masochistically begging to be “humiliated. Romney, Giuliani and McCain are members of a party that constantly complains that the media are out to get them. Yet, the belief in their enemies’ viciousness doesn’t begin to stop them from providing tons and tons of ammunition.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think the best way to point out their reliance on the most insidious lie of the post-Vietnam era–it makes the others possible–is to act as if they actually believed it and actually want the media to rub their faces in the mud (and the media, like the sadist in the old joke, say No.)&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>When Mitt Romney says that a coalition of “Shia and Sunni and Hezbollah and Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda” wants to “bring down the West,” he should be ridiculed for his ignorance.</p>
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<p>I wish Paul Krugman had used another epithet: “Masochistically begging to be “humiliated. Romney, Giuliani and McCain are members of a party that constantly complains that the media are out to get them. Yet, the belief in their enemies’ viciousness doesn’t begin to stop them from providing tons and tons of ammunition.</p>
<p>I think the best way to point out their reliance on the most insidious lie of the post-Vietnam era–it makes the others possible–is to act as if they actually believed it and actually want the media to rub their faces in the mud (and the media, like the sadist in the old joke, say No.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/28/krugman-on-trust-and-betrayal/#comment-724195</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 01:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The media problem is the central problem in all of this. Without trustworthy eyes and ears, how can we conduct ourselves responsible and effectivly?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;No, it’s simply impossible. Until we fix the media, we fix nothing.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The media problem is the central problem in all of this. Without trustworthy eyes and ears, how can we conduct ourselves responsible and effectivly?</p>
<p>No, it’s simply impossible. Until we fix the media, we fix nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: kathleen</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/28/krugman-on-trust-and-betrayal/#comment-724072</link>
		<dc:creator>kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 00:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-723873&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;behindthefall @ 163&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-723372&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kathleen @ 80&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Latest from Seymour Hersh…” The Redirection” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh/&quot;&gt;http://www.newyorker.com/repor.....act_hersh/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, Hersh is saying that the U.S. gov’t’s actions are making it more difficult to get things calm enough in Iraq to allow the forces to withdraw?  Now why on earth would “we” ever want to do something so counterproductive?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Oil” explains a lot; it may indeed explain everything that we are seeing.  There’s an essay on this page &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html&quot;&gt;http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html&lt;/a&gt; by Buckley entitled “Oil is worth fighting for”.  What steps would “you” have taken to enable you to fight for oil?  These people may actually believe that they are doing all of this for our own “good”, that “good” being the preservation of the national lifestyle and not the “good” of the beneficial stewardship of the planet’s resources, particularly those non-renewable ones.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Palast said early on that the Bush administration went into Iraq to shut down the oil flow at least for a while.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Will we be heaing our reps demanding investigations of the record breaking oil profits?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-723873"><em>behindthefall @ 163</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p><a href="#comment-723372"><em>Kathleen @ 80</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Latest from Seymour Hersh…” The Redirection” </p>
<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh/">http://www.newyorker.com/repor&#8230;..act_hersh/</a></p>
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<p>So, Hersh is saying that the U.S. gov’t’s actions are making it more difficult to get things calm enough in Iraq to allow the forces to withdraw?  Now why on earth would “we” ever want to do something so counterproductive?</p>
<p>“Oil” explains a lot; it may indeed explain everything that we are seeing.  There’s an essay on this page <a href="http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html">http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html</a> by Buckley entitled “Oil is worth fighting for”.  What steps would “you” have taken to enable you to fight for oil?  These people may actually believe that they are doing all of this for our own “good”, that “good” being the preservation of the national lifestyle and not the “good” of the beneficial stewardship of the planet’s resources, particularly those non-renewable ones.</p>
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<p>Palast said early on that the Bush administration went into Iraq to shut down the oil flow at least for a while.  </p>
<p>Will we be heaing our reps demanding investigations of the record breaking oil profits?</p>
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		<title>By: behindthefall</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/28/krugman-on-trust-and-betrayal/#comment-724048</link>
		<dc:creator>behindthefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 00:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-723967&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;B. Hatten @ 164&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;I have not red the Hersch story, but Kucinich has been already the oil analysis.  He nails it in detail; it also appears not many are listening to him for some reason.&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Thanks for the tip about Kucinich.  I see that he gave a 1 hour speech and no one paid attention.  What pegs the needle on my coincidence meter is the ability of the “oil” theme to link together not only the war but also domestic events from 2000 on.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-723967"><em>B. Hatten @ 164</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>I have not red the Hersch story, but Kucinich has been already the oil analysis.  He nails it in detail; it also appears not many are listening to him for some reason.</p>
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<p>Thanks for the tip about Kucinich.  I see that he gave a 1 hour speech and no one paid attention.  What pegs the needle on my coincidence meter is the ability of the “oil” theme to link together not only the war but also domestic events from 2000 on.</p>
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		<title>By: B. Hatten</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/28/krugman-on-trust-and-betrayal/#comment-723970</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Hatten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 22:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I do know it should be read.  Thanks&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do know it should be read.  Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: B. Hatten</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/28/krugman-on-trust-and-betrayal/#comment-723967</link>
		<dc:creator>B. Hatten</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 22:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have not red the Hersch story, but Kucinich has been already the oil analysis.  He nails it in detail; it also appears not many are listening to him for some reason.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have not red the Hersch story, but Kucinich has been already the oil analysis.  He nails it in detail; it also appears not many are listening to him for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: behindthefall</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/28/krugman-on-trust-and-betrayal/#comment-723873</link>
		<dc:creator>behindthefall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 21:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-723372&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Kathleen @ 80&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Latest from Seymour Hersh…” The Redirection” &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh/&quot;&gt;http://www.newyorker.com/repor.....act_hersh/&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;So, Hersh is saying that the U.S. gov’t’s actions are making it more difficult to get things calm enough in Iraq to allow the forces to withdraw?  Now why on earth would “we” ever want to do something so counterproductive?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;“Oil” explains a lot; it may indeed explain everything that we are seeing.  There’s an essay on this page &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html&quot;&gt;http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html&lt;/a&gt; by Buckley entitled “Oil is worth fighting for”.  What steps would “you” have taken to enable you to fight for oil?  These people may actually believe that they are doing all of this for our own “good”, that “good” being the preservation of the national lifestyle and not the “good” of the beneficial stewardship of the planet’s resources, particularly those non-renewable ones.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-723372"><em>Kathleen @ 80</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Latest from Seymour Hersh…” The Redirection” </p>
<p><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2007/03/05/070305fa_fact_hersh/">http://www.newyorker.com/repor&#8230;..act_hersh/</a></p>
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<p>So, Hersh is saying that the U.S. gov’t’s actions are making it more difficult to get things calm enough in Iraq to allow the forces to withdraw?  Now why on earth would “we” ever want to do something so counterproductive?</p>
<p>“Oil” explains a lot; it may indeed explain everything that we are seeing.  There’s an essay on this page <a href="http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html">http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html</a> by Buckley entitled “Oil is worth fighting for”.  What steps would “you” have taken to enable you to fight for oil?  These people may actually believe that they are doing all of this for our own “good”, that “good” being the preservation of the national lifestyle and not the “good” of the beneficial stewardship of the planet’s resources, particularly those non-renewable ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Pet Wrecker</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/28/krugman-on-trust-and-betrayal/#comment-723640</link>
		<dc:creator>Pet Wrecker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 18:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-723399&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;Oklahoma kiddo @ 107&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;Power to the People!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUbvYMweQy0&amp;mode=related&amp;search=&quot;&gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....mp;search=&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYKJ3x5_HD0&quot;&gt;weak power&lt;/a&gt; back at ya…you’ve got to fight to kick bushco. ***.&lt;/p&gt;
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k!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-723399"><em>Oklahoma kiddo @ 107</em></a></p>
<blockquote><p>Power to the People!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUbvYMweQy0&amp;mode=related&amp;search=">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v&#8230;..mp;search=</a></p>
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<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYKJ3x5_HD0">weak power</a> back at ya…you’ve got to fight to kick bushco. ***.</p>
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		<title>By: pre-amerikkkan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/28/krugman-on-trust-and-betrayal/#comment-723585</link>
		<dc:creator>pre-amerikkkan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 17:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;this effort by bushco is part of a global domination scheme started by the brits more than three hundred years ago! why do you think au blair was the one true ally?&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;why are new worlders so surprised by this?  it has only been a few hundred years.  WE certainly remember that they are doing what manifest destiny compels them to do.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;how naive can amurkkkans be?  so far, almost 4k of military casualities, untold millions of Iraqi deaths and who knows how many contractors.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;too stupid to live, apparently.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this effort by bushco is part of a global domination scheme started by the brits more than three hundred years ago! why do you think au blair was the one true ally?</p>
<p>why are new worlders so surprised by this?  it has only been a few hundred years.  WE certainly remember that they are doing what manifest destiny compels them to do.  </p>
<p>how naive can amurkkkans be?  so far, almost 4k of military casualities, untold millions of Iraqi deaths and who knows how many contractors.</p>
<p>too stupid to live, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: pre-amerikkkan</title>
		<link>http://firedoglake.com/2007/05/28/krugman-on-trust-and-betrayal/#comment-723577</link>
		<dc:creator>pre-amerikkkan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 May 2007 17:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-723243&quot;&gt;&lt;em&gt;DWD @ 2&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;
This link will take you to the rest of Krugman’s article, if you are interested.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://home.comcast.net/~veritas20001/shrill.htm&quot;&gt;http://home.comcast.net/~veritas20001/shrill.htm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;p&gt;thanks, I HATE that times SELECT thing!&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="#comment-723243"><em>DWD @ 2</em></a></p>
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This link will take you to the rest of Krugman’s article, if you are interested.</p>
<p><a href="http://home.comcast.net/~veritas20001/shrill.htm">http://home.comcast.net/~veritas20001/shrill.htm</a></p>
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<p>thanks, I HATE that times SELECT thing!</p>
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