Paul Krugman devotes his Memorial Day column (Times Select) to lamenting how George Bush violated the cardinal rule about Presidents leading their countries into war:
“In this place where valor sleeps, we are reminded why America has always gone to war reluctantly, because we know the costs of war. That's what President Bush said last year, in a Memorial Day ceremony at Arlington National Cemetery.
Those were fine words, spoken by a man with less right to say them than any president in our nation's history. For Mr. Bush took us to war not with reluctance, but with unseemly eagerness.
Now that war has turned into an epic disaster, in part because the war's architects, whom we now know were warned about the risks, didn't want to hear about them. Yet Congress seems powerless to stop it. How did it all go so wrong?
Krugman goes on to cite all the warning signs that this President should not be trusted to be Commander in Chief, while noting that Bush has now resurrected al Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, the bogeyman that he once claimed was not particularly important. Yet despite growing disillusionment with Bush's warmongering and the 2006 election mandate to end the American occupation of Iraq, it goes on this Memorial Day with no end in sight.
The truth is that the nightmare of the Bush years won’t really be over until politicians are convinced that voters will punish, not reward, Bush-style fear-mongering. And that hasn’t happened yet.Here’s the way it ought to be: When Rudy Giuliani says that Iran, which had nothing to do with 9/11, is part of a “movement” that “has already displayed more aggressive tendencies by coming here and killing us,” he should be treated as a lunatic.
When Mitt Romney says that a coalition of “Shia and Sunni and Hezbollah and Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and Al Qaeda” wants to “bring down the West,” he should be ridiculed for his ignorance.
And when John McCain says that Osama, who isn’t in Iraq, will “follow us home” if we leave, he should be laughed at.
But they aren’t, at least not yet. And until belligerent, uninformed posturing starts being treated with the contempt it deserves, men who know nothing of the cost of war will keep sending other people’s children to graves at Arlington.
Here is how Al Gore frames the problem, in a Guardian article well worth reading:
The pursuit of "dominance" in foreign policy led the Bush administration to ignore the UN, to do serious damage to our most important alliances, to violate international law, and to cultivate the hatred and contempt of many in the rest of the world. The seductive appeal of exercising unconstrained unilateral power led this president to interpret his powers under the constitution in a way that brought to life the worst nightmare of the founders. Any policy based on domination of the rest of the world not only creates enemies for the US and recruits for al-Qaida, but also undermines the international cooperation that is essential to defeating terrorists who wish to harm and intimidate America. Instead of "dominance", we should be seeking pre-eminence in a world where nations respect us and seek to follow our leadership and adopt our values.
Amen. But I can already hear how the fear mongering right and a compliant media will portray this. They will ignore the catastrophe their neocon ideologues have inflicted on the Middle East, the damage to US honor and prestige and influence, the devastation of our armed forces, the depletion of our National Guard, the plundering of our treasury, the diminution of our freedoms at home and the damage to our sense of confidence and optimism and, without missing a beat or the slightest self-aware sense of dishonesty or shame, piously tell us how the Democrats are soft on defense. And they'll keep repeating the lie until they've undermined every value the country celebrates on Memorial Day.
Related posts:
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- Early Morning Swim: Special Memorial Day Edition
- Krugman: The Public Option and Why the Reagan Zombies Don’t Die
- It Takes The Village To Raze the Economy: Some Notes On Krugman and the Return of Keynes





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ZED?
I just had one of those damned crystal early morning thoughts! Damn! Like a thunderbolt it hits me and almost knocks me out of my seat. Here it is, I will share. (It is not very long, promise)
Intelligent people find education to be humbling, not empowering. When intelligent people begin learning they realize how much they still need to learn. They do not find power in their knowledge, they find humility.
This link will take you to the rest of Krugman’s article, if you are interested.
http://home.comcast.net/~veritas20001/shrill.htm
G’Morning from nice AZ sunrise…. back right after I get my first cuppa
Oops, Sorry. Well push this post back to 9:40 EDT or so.
Yeah Zed, you just squatted on another FDL thread. How inane.
In some environments the apostrophes are all screwed up from a UTF-8 encoding issue. Go through all the text and get rid of ” #8220;dominance#8221;–>” all the symbology and put in regular quotation marks.
the Bush years won’t even begin to be over until every foray by any member of the Bushevik regime out of the Shitehouse is met by the People hurling showers of offal and feces, and hooting with derision, invective, and obloquy.
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What a sad day. I happened to see Gen Pace early talking about the commitment of our troops as shown, for example, by the record high re-enlistment rates. I may be very confused, but I thought those rates have been linked to the not optional stop-loss gift.
Paul Krugman is surely a very capable,talented observer of the American scene and passing tableau. So very often can simply read what he writes and conclude…well observed and written …I agree. He is a rarity indeed at the NYT’s…the WAPO has no one similar. Nice to see his excellence exhibited here at FDL. :-)
Al Gore…please run. Please. You won the WH once. Do it again.:-)
I peeked earlier
G’Morning Again…. going for my walk…. see ya later…. great post!
I’ve never been able to figure why the “they will follow us home” doesn’t cause immediate hoots of laughter. How will they get here? Swim? Reed boats like the Ra Expedition? Hijack the Queen Mary? Has anyone asked them to explain?
shootthatarrow>>> @ 8
in the latest of my half-hearted attempts to half-assedly defend half of the WaPo…..Harold Meyerson is pretty good.
Cheney, Rove and Bush. Profiles in cowardness.
Speaking of neocons. Wonder what King Neocon, Wolfowitz’s next ‘assignment’ will be.
True. I would also note that Gore is using an international platform to speak. I think, largely due to bushit’s behavior, that speaking to an international audience will win Gore some allies that will help to influence politics in the US.
i heard al gore on some NPR show recently.
he sounded damned certain he wasn’t gonna run for president.
i think it behooves ‘progressives’ to find a different candidate to support.
it’s waaaay too bad that there isn’t anyone…
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Oklahoma kiddo @ 14
something dangerous, I hope
Good Morning Scarecrow and Firedogs -
well MSRNC just underscored that last paragraph with a 5 minute piece on the wisdom of Repub candidates strategy wrt evangelical/conservative voters – yeppers, not so much as a nod to all that pesky and inconvienent REALITY out there
- looks like Dan Abrams and Chip Reid will continue on as my, um, SPOTLIGHT-pals. oy
Clearly, none of the ReThug ‘candidates’ for President are qualified to even pick up what my dog leaves on the lawn. I am supremely uninterested in anything they might have to say.
Honestly, would you discuss policy with a chimpanzee?
Questioning these fools and morons amounts to the same thing.
On a more enlightened note check out my post: ‘What is progressive?’
War is not the answer. Check this out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9KC7uhMY9s
Hey Lakers
Did you catch the 60 Minutes piece on the Iowa NG unit that they have been following for 2 years? They and their families seemed largely to be true believers when they shipped out. Now what do we have? Split decision by the troops and widespread depression among the spouses. Fucking great. Happy Memorial Day
Cheney, Rove and Bush. Playing at being Gods. Determining that so many will not be allowed to live out their lives.
“They will ignore the catastrophe their neocon ideologues have inflicted on the Middle East, the damage to US honor and prestige and influence, the devastation of our armed forces, the depletion of our National Guard, the plundering of our treasury, the diminution of our freedoms at home and the damage to our sense of confidence and optimism and, without missing a beat or the slightest self-aware sense of dishonesty or shame, piously tell us how the Democrats are soft on defense.”
And also that Al Gore is fat.
raven @ 22
that was must see Teevee!
Bumper sticker seen here in red part of Minnesota: End
lessThis WarI smiled. People are learning. Slowly.
oddmommy @ 13
Eugene Robinson and EJ Dionne also show proper embarrassment over the editorials and have their moments of clarity.
raven @ 22
That was an amazing essay. Shows how really hard it is for ordinary Amerians to come to the realization that their government not only screwed up but dishonestly betrayed them.
Slightly OT, i know, but i am puzzled; perhaps someone could explain something to me:
why is there a full five-minute segment on NPR this morning focusing on a conversation with someone who has created a $27 MILLION “Creation Museum” somewhere in Dumbfux–or mebbe it’s East Jesus–Tennessee?
anybody?
Good morning, everybody.
I’m with Krugman, but if dems can’t even figure out how to frame the Iraq war funding debate (and if they’re going to back down because chimpy might call them names), then it’s going to be a hard slog.
I actually think Edwards and Obama have the ability to mix it up in this arena, but have only shown flashes of it. I was encouraged when Obama took on Baghdad flack-jacket John last week.
BTW, if you didn’t see Ben Affleck on Real Time last week, it’s worth a peek. The guy is very smart and better informed than 90%, at least, of the politicians in DC (and 100% of the GOP). Best line, when asked about John Boehner’s crying jag on the Iraq supplemental, was this: “As an actor, I try not to comment on bad acting moments.”
Elliott @ 24
You know, it’s been 40 years and I don’t know that I ever realized what it must have been like for my family. That show really brought it home.
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 29
How were the museum and its “creators” portrayed?
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 28
Because, sadly, it is news – it hasn’t come up on my NPR this AM yet, so I’ll have to see how they treat him.
Scarecrow @ 31
This Memorial Day marks the opening of a new Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky. I haven’t visited it yet, but according to reports, its exhibits are highly engaging, even if their cumulative effect can be disorienting. Walk into this museum and you’ll come upon a diorama of humans frolicking alongside dinosaurs, a video arguing that the Grand Canyon was carved out of the landscape in just a few days and fossils presented as the remainders of Noah’s flood. Not one of these depictions is accurate, according to modern science.
google it, it’s all over like horse shit
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I have thought about the time, maybe 50 years in the future when my grandkids ask “grandma, how did all that happen back then?” My answer would be the media was totally complicit in spreading the lies. All we heard leading up to the war was what Bush wanted us to hear. One never heard the opposing viewpoint, never questioning what we were told. Anyone who dared speak out was branded a loon and wouldn’t get air time. People didn’t have time or energy to research the truth, and at that time, had no reason to mistrust the media. That’s what I’ll tell my grandkids.
GrandmaJ @ 26
That’s the latest MoveOn bumper sticker. Someone in the area is on their list.
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 29
Much to my dismay, it is in northern Kentucky, outside of Cincinnati. However, just to be on the record not EVERYONE from Kentucky is a total yahoo, no matter how the corporate owned media may present us.
Raven — You know, it’s been 40 years and I don’t know that I ever realized what it must have been like for my family. That show really brought it home. — yep, and it was hard to find out, because neither we nor they really wanted to talk about what each had experienced.
Mutant Poodle @ 30
What was really strange about it is that Affleck and PJ O’Rourke agreed on almost everything!
Scarecrow @ 31
repectfully. it was played straight. utterly w/out snark. nobody asked where the terra-centric, ptolemaic star chart was, or the flat-earth model…
it made me ill…
GrandmaJ @ 26
I have that same bumpersticker on my car.
Juan Cole has a thoughtful reflection on the day. Worth a read.
cathy @ 35
I hope you’re able to tell them how it was places like FDL that started to turn it around.
LAT on the Creation Museum
. . .“it’s a place right out of his-to-ry !!!
I am glad that FDR, Harry Truman, JFK and RFK do not have to see what our Democratic Party has become. I think Jimmy Carter, a former Navy officer, understands this.
Scarecrow @ 43
I hope I will be able to explain how everything then ended happily ever after, and not “and that’s why we are in this living hell we are in now”
Scarecrow @ 37
That is true for the most part. I was lucky enough to be in the VVAW and in a “tribe” of anti-war hippies who, rather than the phony “spit on vets” bullshit were actually very supportive oh “the troops”. The group therapy movement actually grew out of VVAW “rap groups” that hinged on our shared experience.
perris, I just read your post from the previous diary. So well put. Now, my husband just came in to tell me that there’s an injured bird outside. It must have hit a window and it’s lying there struggling. He doesn’t know what to do but it’s obviously suffering. And now I’ve started to cry. So much pain and suffering in this world. So much abused power in causing that suffering. So much frustration at not being able to stop it.
And, though I’ve kept my emotions in check for a long time, for reasons I don’t understand, that poor bird has opened the floodgates.
relatedt to Gore talking on an international stage:
Bu$hCo don’t give a crap what you or I have to say. The warmongering will stop when our international allies have had enough and stop dealing with them. It will be a while.
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 39
They did follow up their story with a story on people protesting the museum. It would be nice if they had someone on to say how strong the science is…
Allies meaning trade partners too.
RevDeb @ 40
Yes, a fine essay. Thanks for the link Deb.
dakine01 @ 27
quite right. Also, Richard Cohen hasn’t shown his smarmy mug much recently….maybe he’s out to pasture.
A pity about him, because back in the old days he was different….occasionally did a thing about his late grandfather showing up in the middle of the night to provide colorful commentary on the modern world, which was pretty good.
raven @ 34
this abject often willful ignorance within a significant portion of our populace — thus enabling the use and manipulation of their vote by the likes of Karl Rove, is a huge part of our current dilemna.
friends,
family,
firepups.
attack!
this seems even more harmful to me. doesn’t this imply that the two postions are essentially equivalent? that the young-earthers have as much claim to ‘truth’ as the geologists? why NOT then have those young-earth books on sale at the Grand Canyon?
A.Citizen @ 20
Good post, thanks.
solai @ 46
Oh my dear. The bird might end up being ok. Give him a few minutes to recover from the shock. If he hasn’t moved much in a half hour bring him a little water where he can easily drink it.
The General has a picture that sums it up.
Good Morning Christy.
I knew I could count on you to save me from myself.
I’ve been waking up daily, lately, with an almost debilitating feeling of forboding. Far as I can tell, the main reason is because these horrors continue in Iraq and elsewhere, the administration continues dismantling our constitution while ignoring the true needs of our country & the rest of the world, the congresscritters continue bumbling their way along, largely clueless or putting on a pretty good act….
a-n-d, the biggest bogieman in my private heQQ, the people in charge of communications and press coverage remain content to prattle on and ignore the whole steaming pile right under their noses!
Then you come along yet again, present dear Krugman & Gore to me on a silver platter and add your own enriching brand of analysis, and I know we’ll get to tomorrow somehow.
I was born right before Pearl Harbor, lived thru all the rest of the worst-&-best.
Today’s leaders in our own country scare me witless.
I can’t afford to lie a-bed moping, so I’m here with you folks. Let’s go tackle another day, and then the one after that, & so on, & so on…
Deep thanks for meeting up at the Lake, Dawgs.
We can accomplish something meaningful together. I just KNOW we can. ;->
That is the route we’ve decided on.
Scarecrow @ 57
sad, but seemingly true.
Scarecrow @ 57
the General just about ALWAYS nails it.
that’n’s going on my blog today…
Mutant Poodle @ 28
I dunno, I kinda liked PJ O’Rourke’s line about the crying: “Republicans should never go off their meds.”
Adie @ 58
Good morning Adie. ;)
The hell on earth in Iraq (the Iraqi people are the ones who are suffering the most) was predicted by so many experts. Iaea’s El Baradei, Scott Ritter, Flynt Leverett, Jimmy Carter, Zbiniew Brezinski, General Zinni, former CIA analyst even Madeline Albright, etc etc. all warned against the invasion and many seriously questioned the validity of the intelligence.
Senator Clinton and the others who signed the war resolution of 2002 should have been listening to the Diane Rehms show, Amy Goodmans Democracy Now, the BBC and Neil Conans Talk of the Nation. All of these programs interviewed a long list of experts who were questioning the invasion with convincing arguments, experience, insights and facts.
Now hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people and 3400 American soldiers are dead, hundreds of thousands have been injured, millions of Iraqi’s are displaced.
For what reason did all of these people die and suffer? For our access to oil? For Israels and the “cakewalk in Iraq’s” regime change agenda in the middle east?
This war was unnecessary and criminal!
When will our reps hold anyone accountable for this bloody disaster?(oh that would mean that they would have to hold themselves responsible)
RUN AL RUN! On Hardball this Sunday Howard Fineman said that Al would declare in the fall. We are marching right behind you AL!
Your consistent and powerful stance against the invasion will roll right over Clinton!
Sharon @ 48
having a sane voice on the international stage will help to inform our allies that our nation isn’t in lock step with bushCo.
The smell of death surrounds you too, Secretary Rice. As a primary Bush enabler you have much blood on your hands. You do not escape condemnation.
In an interview about his new book, last week mebbe on NPR, Gore flatly declared he would not run…
something that definitive didn’t leave room for reversing course…
i, for one, am all but certain, now, that he won’t.
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Gore.
solai – had one of those moments in my work last week – except my injured bird was a mom whose only child (20 years old) is t/b deployed in August – finally just lost it in betwen courses – thank gaia, my manager is also a good friend
p.s. all kinds of good, practical rehabber info online – we used to cut a hole in the toe of baby socks and slip it over bird’s head (to prevent movement) and fed and watered for a few days – 80% effective with most wing injuries :)
solai @ 46
i completely understand. I don’t cry, either, but through an accident – we’ve lost one of our cats. After driving home from CO in torrential rain, my son was unloading his truck and carrying in his skis. In the time the door was open to get the long things in, one cat ran out. Now, it was dark, torrential rain, so my son figured no cat would think of going out, and so locked up for the night without counting noses. We haven’t seen her since. its been a week. So much needless suffering. Brings on the tears. Hugs to you.
GrandmaJ @ 24
I have one on my car, and I saw a second car on the freeway sporting one. It’s a moveon.org bumper sticker (they ran out of them, though). I don’t agree with all that moveon.org does, but I really like the sticker. So far, no one has flipped me off for having it yet, unlike the response I used to get from my Kerry for President sticker, or my husband’s still-posted “Defend America – Defeat Bush” sticker.
Adie @ 58
Adie,
Don’t know if you saw this but maybe it will help brighten the day a bit…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 66
with her bland assurance that the Aug. 11, 2001, PDB–titled “Bin Laden Determined To Strike In US—was ‘merely an historical document,’ condi won for herself a place of prominence in the Hall of the Dumbest, Most Dangerous FUCKWITS EVER!
Knowing that, how ANYONE could have voted to confirm the blindingly blissful bint as Secy of State qualifies, in and of itself, as war crime–Yeah, Barak, you shirtwhistle, ah’m talkina you!
Krugman’s always on point, and it’s astonishing how well the propaganda machine has worked – views that would have been considered far-right fringe a few decades back are now given careful attention by the major broadcast networks – we’re told they are centrist.
The sorry thing is that the more brazen and counterfactual statements that go out – the more the dialogue gets swept up responding to these statements. This has a pernicious effect – it obscures focus on some other facts that may be very pertinent. For instance, here’s an opening fragment from an article that Ann Wright wrote that I found on Truthout.org :
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On Thursday, May 24, the US Congress voted to continue the war in Iraq. The members called it “supporting the troops.” I call it stealing Iraq’s oil – the second largest reserves in the world. The “benchmark,” or goal, the Bush administration has been working on furiously since the US invaded Iraq is privatization of Iraq’s oil. Now they have Congress blackmailing the Iraqi Parliament and the Iraqi people: no privatization of Iraqi oil, no reconstruction funds.
This threat could not be clearer. If the Iraqi Parliament refuses to pass the privatization legislation, Congress will withhold US reconstruction funds that were promised to the Iraqis to rebuild what the United States has destroyed there. The privatization law, written by American oil company consultants hired by the Bush administration, would leave control with the Iraq National Oil Company for only 17 of the 80 known oil fields. The remainder (two-thirds) of known oil fields, and all yet undiscovered ones, would be up for grabs by the private oil companies of the world (but guess how many would go to United States firms – given to them by the compliant Iraqi government.)
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How I wish that this story, which she’s been relating for some time, would get more visibility. I think that there’s a good chance that some of the people who are reconsidering their position would rapidly lose interest in continuing to support the war once they had a clear idea of what the the administration’s motivation for the war was.
Krugman’s right – people making statements like those he notes should be considered cranks and fools – but in a way they’re not cranks and fools – they’re just playing the old shell game, a game that’s a lot easier to play when people don’t understand what it is they don’t want people to see.
Did anyone see Joseph Cirincione talking about Pakistan on C-Span Sunday evening? I went to find the link not up yet!
Cirincione has been on target both before the invasion and after.
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 73
“Mushroom clouds” with your Rice?
my only even remotely notable contribution to USer political discourse was probably in coining two terms of derision for Rightwing Fucktards: “fucknozzle” and “shitwhistle.”
will employing these terms in such colloquys as present themselves here incur upon me the wrath of any important personages?
just askin’
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Will Cheney and the “cakealk in Iraq” zealots when the argument over Iran? Will they take us further into the abyss with their pychopathic agenda? Jail these fuckers at the very least. We are waiting for the complete Phase II of the SSCI, and the A*P*C Rosen/Weismann trial.
Wolfowitz, Libby, down (kind of)
Many yellow cake zealots to go!
http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..002145.php
landofthefree @ 71
I have a bumper sticker that says “Call the village, I found their idiot” with a picture of bush. It is my second one. The first one was torn off by some anonymous “patriot” in a parking lot during a children’s football game.
Latest from Seymour Hersh…” The Redirection”
http://www.newyorker.com/repor…..act_hersh/
first full-on giggle of the day…
thanks for that’n…
LaDeluge @ 74
I know! Cranks and fools, that’s all they are. I felt so humiliated that three of the Republican Party candidates for President of the United States of America, in the year two-thousand-aught-seven, proudly raised their hands when asked if they believed the world was created 6000 years ago (give or take a few). Humiliated and afraid.
Kathleen @ 80
oo thanks! for that, Kathleen, I’ll read that later on.
dakine01 (72) — oh man, that was EXCELLENT!! I’d wondered what happened to the woman in question, so relieved.
Okay, not that kind of relieved. Too funny, though.
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 78
askin’ or hopin’?
dakine01 @ 72
Power to the poople?
Scarecrow @ 50
Thanks Deb had not visited Juan yet today!
The saddest thing of all is that these soldiers did not die for freedom they died as a direct result of the Bush administrations lies that has resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands!
Lies that is what they died for!
Criminal!
Kathleen @ 78
“win the argument” sorry
Morning Scarecrow.
Love to see your smiling face ;->
The Lake is very refreshing today, but I still need a bit more caffeine than I should consume.
moderation’s the key, eh? one foot….
…
a couple of our dearest friends have, as of midway in jr’s reign [oh-oh, there’s THAT word again, heh], had finally realized what RushL. is, and now can’t stand listening to him, or so i thot…
within the past week, the gal – who pretty much speaks for both of them – revealed she continues with her revulsion twd any thot of Gore being back in a leadership position [just a gut feeling of theirs; haven’t a clue…. ‘cept for rush’s & rover’s all-too-effective smear campaigns].
practically in the same breath, she expressed genuine fear at the thot of Obama in power [seems absolutely terrified of the “muslim connection”]
oh sigh. i know them well enuf that i’m sure we’ll remain very good friends, but there’s no hope of changing their minds. they’ve imbibed of the koolaid somewhere – again….
Oh, did i mention yet today?
IMPEACH jr/shooter!
FIRE gonzo!
FROGMARCH rover & all the above…
in a moment of weakness last week i bookmarked andrewcardigan’s UMass reception!!!!! WooHoo! Exquisite theater from one of my favorite parts of the country! !707! *g*
spurious @ 86
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpsF_0-ta_A
Oklahoma kiddo @ 70
amen!
that’s all ya need to know, right there, in the nutshell, as ’twere. this is the supreme ayatollah, not some quasi-clerical clown–ahmadinejihad–’elected’ (like his counterpart in DC) to be the regime sock-puppet.
oh, yes: and we’re fucked, folks…
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OT
Mutant Poodle, I detected a hint of Simon & Garfunkel in the Weepies, especially listening to the song with that dear video.
Do you agree?
Kathleen @ 78
I don’t recall seeing any WH response this story, and usually they’re very quick to discredit anything that suggests the decider is not in charge. Did I miss something?
Krugman is stilling pulling his punches, though.
Reponsibility for conning Bush into the Iraq Invasion and continuing Occupation has to be laid where it lies, with The Lobby, which means A**AC, which in turn means that the US has to stop supporting Zionism. It is a terribly difficult leap to take, but essential for the US’s long-term survival economically stable.
Chaos, death and destruction in Iraq “Mission Accomplished”
Justin Raimando
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=11035
Elliott @ 53
(about the Creation Museum)
this abject often willful ignorance within a significant portion of our populace — thus enabling the use and manipulation of their vote by the likes of Karl Rove, is a huge part of our current dilemna.
I don’t believe that fundies provided that many votes. But like the stories ‘debunking’ the accuracy of exit polls, it gave cover for the vote rigging.
Rayne @ 84
Sometimes ya just have to use tactics the other side can understand. I think this woman did just that.
God bless Paul Krugman, sanity on paper is almost nonexistent in the corporate media world. And I know it’s Memorial Day, a time to reflect on the awful, ultimate sacrifices of generations of our young citizens and to try to attach some meaning to it.
But…
Krugman’s contention that we are a peace-loving people who only go to war with extreme reluctance is just not true. WWII and WWI? Yes, the country was reluctant. The Civil War? Perhaps, that’s a tough one. The Revolution and the War of 1812, I can’t say for sure.
But the Mexican War, the 3 centuries of ethnic cleansing on the American Frontier, the Hearst-sponsored killing of a million Filipinos we call the Spanish-American War, the Stone-Ageification of Vietnam, all of these wars were engaged with pathological eagerness. Our current fiasco is not an aberration.
RevDeb @ 40
Thanks for that, RevDeb. I’m so embarrassed to note that Cole mentions one of our troops killed recently in Iraq, who lived less than an hour from here, went to my alma mater. I’ve been avoiding the news on television and missed this. So very sad; he’d joined the service for very similar reasons that my stepson joined, as so many others have joined.
spurious @ 88
THANKS! Hilarious! Still don’t understand the charges, tho. I mean she bagged it & everything, eh? I always liked Ger. Shepherds. Big enough to make a point, when they want to… *g*
The war on Iran started long ago. I watched the MSM roll over the last four years as the yellow cake “zealots” beat their yellow bellied war drums repeating unsubstantiated claims about Iran.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comm…..mp;feed=27
Elliott @ 94
Hadn’t thought that far back, but yes…I actually thought of the Indigo Girls, because I found them by perusing the Itunes Celebrity playlists and they are among the IG’s faves…
Adie — in a moment of weakness last week i bookmarked andrewcardigan’s UMass reception!!!!! WooHoo! Exquisite theater from one of my favorite parts of the country! !707! *g*
– yep, we know how to treat guests. The video was amazing.
In my comment above (#74) I see that I cut and paste one paragraph less than I thought I had.
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No other nation in the Middle East has privatized its oil. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and Iran give only limited usage contracts to international oil companies for one or two years. The $12 billion dollar “Support the Troops” legislation passed by Congress requires Iraq, in order to get reconstruction funds from the United States, to privatize its oil resources and put them up for long term (20- to 30-year) contracts.
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The above from an article by Ann Wright I found on truthout.org
Ann Wright is one of the diplomats who resigned from the State Department on the eve our going to war in Iraq.
So here is what we might do. As polls seem to mean nothing to the politicians, let us show them directly, aside from letters, marches, etc.
I suggest that on a certain date, those who do not support the war, want bush to be impeached, or for whichever of a million reasons, we stop buying anything except essentials, and continue this until we get what we want.
My reason for this approach is simple. Hit the politicians in the pocketbook. If their corporate sponsers are losing money, then changes will happpen. And we can show the nation just HOW MANY PEOPLE WANT THIS WAR STOPPED AND BUSH OUT!!
Food for thought.
Power to the People!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
raven @ 20
that was pretty powerful stuff. reminded me of the 60 minutes of the old days.
Sara Taylor has left her job at the WH. No job yet to go to hmmmmmmmmmm . . . .
Adie @ 101
The charges were your basic attempt at using the law to intimidate those who weren’t in agreement with da ruling class. Nothing more. Nothing less. And I hope she sues that DA and Musgrave for millions.
dakine01 @ 98
I think that’s what really offends them, that there weren’t any flowery words or careful couching to posit the objection. The point was made bluntly, without words, and the message was absolutely crystal clear. Somebody called bullsh*t on them, and they didn’t like that.
TFB.
Rayne @ 111
LOL Agreed…
opps sp, “essentials” to early, not enough coffee
ThinkProgress posted this about 15 minutes ago: Senior Rove aide leaves White House
Adie @ 91
On Sunday’s Chris Matthews program Howard Fineman said that close sources have said that Al would declare in the fall. Chills and goose bumps!
Al all ready won once, if it were not for the 2000 Supreme Court Judicial coup we would not be in this fucking mess in Iraq, and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people and 3400 American soldiers would not be dead! And over 50,ooo American soldiers would not be injured!
Hello Sandra Day O’Connor and the rest of the Supreme Court radicals. Yes you are partially responsible for this fucking disaster!
Run Al Run!
RevDeb @ 109
Nothing like the pre-push jump to get the blood and anger flowing in a righteous direction.
Paging Mr Waxman, Mr Waxman you have a call from a Ms Taylor on line 3…
Oklahoma kiddo @ 21
this has probably been said before.
Cheney = the cowardly lion
Rove = the tin man
Bush = the scarecrow (apologies SC)
but who is Dorothy, Monica or Harriet?
maybe Harriet is auntie em?
where’s darkblack when you need him?
Mutant Poodle @ 103
oo now I’ll have to listen to hear the Indigo Girls in there!
Scarecrow @ 106
awright, s-crow, smith63. you ?
Sara Taylor – gak! being Rove’s assistant is like being the drummer in Spinal Tap
spaghetti happens @ 22
Scarecrow @ 36
sure looked like it from this side (the family side). felt like 1970 all over again. wonder if they intended that.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 114
and without a job all ready lined up, she’ll have plenty of free time to testify in front of hearings and committees, and maybe some grand juries and lotsa trials, too!
Adie @ 119
Bezerkely, 66.
When will the “decider” come up with the really good “hider” OBL?
What would that do to the Bush administration ratings?
Would finding OBL be worth the price of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives and 3400 American lives , millions of Iraqi refugees, and hundreds of thousands injured?
I have a modest proposal for Plan B, after the surge. Proclaim the Iraq war to be a faith based initiative. I’m sure the religeous right would be happy to supply both troops and funding, maybe even white uniforms with red crosses. GW could grant Bagdad, etc., as kingdoms to neocon leaders. It’s been done before, but might serve to increase average IQ and rationalism in homeland.
Kathleen @ 116
Partially, nothing! SCOTUS interfering in a state election to install King G *was* the constitutional crisis.
Elliott @ 123
Put her on the stand!
Al Gore is fat …
Or should we say “Churchillian” ?
cbl @ 121
See this, for example…
dakine01 @ 116
Interesting. If she cleared her desk out “early last week”, she did so about the same time as the document dump released Tuesday, before Goodling’s testimony. That dump included an email from Tim Griffin, USA-AR, sent to Karl Rove, Sara Taylor, Jane Cherry, a few others whose names I can’t recall right now.
There’s got to be more in both that document dump and in Goodling testimony that incriminates Taylor. Bet you emptywheel is all over it.
And I’m pretty certain that Taylor was on the Waxman’s list anyhow. Gee, wonder what lawyers she’s hired this week?
edit: ah, the email also went to Christopher Oprison as well. Which begs the question: are Oprison and Cherry still on the payroll, and have they lawyered up, too?
TiredFed @ 119
dood did up royally. Won a Koufax with it.
Kathleen @ 117
well said, except you’re being perhaps unnecessarily kind.
“judicial activism” opponents out there on the right…. um…. we’ll wait while u ’splain…
!RUN AL RUN!
PMA @ 126
kinda like hitting two birds with one stone.
solai @ 46
happens a lot more often doesnt it? watched A Time to Kill the other night – couldnt stop bawling. got a tribute from VT on the kids killed that day. couldnt read more than a page. watched 60 minutes last night, and when they told the families that the tour of duty for the Iowa guard had been extended another 125 days, I lost it again.
PMA @ 126
I think you just described the US policy in 2003.
HotFlash @ 127
O.K Totally. I made it into the Supreme Court hearing (stood in line for hours0. When they sent the decision back to Florida, and then stopped the recount I was in shock!
SUPREME COURT JUDICIAL COUP! WE SHOULD NOT FORGET !
Scarecrow and others,
I live in the county where the NG unit from Iowa is located. I will followup local angles but do want to echo my point earlier in the week that Iowans, both red and blue are sick of this police action and are giving an earful to all the candidates and congressmen.
THIS is the grassroots opposition to the war. That and the US Judiciary manipulation make two strong Bi-Partisan issues that will echo Vietnam and Watergate respectively.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 66
oh of course – Condi is Dorothy!
TiredFed @ 135
me too, 60 Minutes was the start of a weepy evening here.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 68
accept no substitutes
Jim Clausen @ 138
It will be interesting to watch what happens: what Iowa Congresscritters hear this week, and what they say when they get back to D.C.
From the Think Progress article:
Which makes me wonder, how many days has it been since AK USA Tim Griffin’s ‘interim’ 120 day appointment? And he’s still there? He was appointed Dec 20/06, it’s been 151 days if I counted right, he’s not been confirmed…
So, who tells him to clean out his desk?
Scarecrow @ 126
plus cornellllllieitieMS 65 HAH
can we talk? tee hee…..
oops! i was supposed to be feelin’ glum here, had a dandy pityparty goin’ [precipitated by refreshing yellahribbon out front of the house?]
!POP! i’m CURED for now! THANKS SCROW & all! i’m good to go. whew!
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 77
no dude. fucknozzle is a truly inspiring term. thanks.
Fresh thread, if anyone wants one.
Kristol one of the enemies within the U.S. gloating over at the Weekly Standard
http://www.weeklystandard.com/…..7aqclu.asp
When will congress take their oath to protect our nation from enemies of our nation who operate within our boundaries seriously? Lock these zealots with yellow cake all over their faces up!
Kathleen @ 139
-uh- fear not – no chance! NO CHANCE AT ALL!!!!!
Scarecrow @ 104
linky please?
TiredFed @ 151
hope this works. enjoy & spread liberally ;->
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gSqnYKsCVQ
RevDeb @ 132
wow Rev. u aint kiddin. mahvelous.
Adie @ 150
thanks Adie. it worked fine.
Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 114
For one halcyon moment, I read ‘Karl Rove leaves White House’. Crash!
GrandmaJ @ 24
MoveOn deserves full credit for sending out this winsome bumpersticker to members across the nation.
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 27
It was preceded by an odios interview with Juan Williams about how the Dems had “lost, caved, etc.”
I don’t care what some say here: I’m never giving to those cretins again.
Excellent post. Krugman for Pulitzer Prize. Gore for President.
spurious @ 86
Another example of poop properly placed.
This administration reminds me of a gambler that thinks he has a system to beat the cas*no. It hasn’t worked yet but he knows he is close, so mortgaging the house is the next logical action after maxing out the credit cards.
In the end, after he’s lost his family and all possessions, the gambler will insist that he was right, he just ran out of time.
Unfortunately Bush is playing with human lives and the reputation of our country. But one fact remains the same, the cas*no operators are making the profits.
Not only is it a time to laugh at and/or heap scorn on the right wing blowhards it’s time to do the same to the celebrity news readers, bloviating pundits, pampered and priviledged “journalists” that have been the facilitators to this regime. I can’t wait for the day when some Democrat on Meet the Press throughs up the fact that Russert is Cheney’s go to guy. Only until such time that larger segments of the public realizes that the bloviating class has no credibility will things begin to turn around.
DWD @ 2
thanks, I HATE that times SELECT thing!
this effort by bushco is part of a global domination scheme started by the brits more than three hundred years ago! why do you think au blair was the one true ally?
why are new worlders so surprised by this? it has only been a few hundred years. WE certainly remember that they are doing what manifest destiny compels them to do.
how naive can amurkkkans be? so far, almost 4k of military casualities, untold millions of Iraqi deaths and who knows how many contractors.
too stupid to live, apparently.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 107
weak power back at ya…you’ve got to fight to kick bushco. ***.
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Kathleen @ 80
So, Hersh is saying that the U.S. gov’t’s actions are making it more difficult to get things calm enough in Iraq to allow the forces to withdraw? Now why on earth would “we” ever want to do something so counterproductive?
“Oil” explains a lot; it may indeed explain everything that we are seeing. There’s an essay on this page http://www.oilempire.us/peakoil.html by Buckley entitled “Oil is worth fighting for”. What steps would “you” have taken to enable you to fight for oil? These people may actually believe that they are doing all of this for our own “good”, that “good” being the preservation of the national lifestyle and not the “good” of the beneficial stewardship of the planet’s resources, particularly those non-renewable ones.
I have not red the Hersch story, but Kucinich has been already the oil analysis. He nails it in detail; it also appears not many are listening to him for some reason.
I do know it should be read. Thanks
B. Hatten @ 164
Thanks for the tip about Kucinich. I see that he gave a 1 hour speech and no one paid attention. What pegs the needle on my coincidence meter is the ability of the “oil” theme to link together not only the war but also domestic events from 2000 on.
behindthefall @ 163
Palast said early on that the Bush administration went into Iraq to shut down the oil flow at least for a while.
Will we be heaing our reps demanding investigations of the record breaking oil profits?
The media problem is the central problem in all of this. Without trustworthy eyes and ears, how can we conduct ourselves responsible and effectivly?
No, it’s simply impossible. Until we fix the media, we fix nothing.
I wish Paul Krugman had used another epithet: “Masochistically begging to be “humiliated. Romney, Giuliani and McCain are members of a party that constantly complains that the media are out to get them. Yet, the belief in their enemies’ viciousness doesn’t begin to stop them from providing tons and tons of ammunition.
I think the best way to point out their reliance on the most insidious lie of the post-Vietnam era–it makes the others possible–is to act as if they actually believed it and actually want the media to rub their faces in the mud (and the media, like the sadist in the old joke, say No.)