When Dick Cheney told the graduating West Point cadets that the enemy is massing in Iraq, it seems he got the fundamentals confused. Instead it appears that the “enemy” is now sending people trained by the resistance in Iraq into neighboring countries and Europe. From today’s New York Times:
The Iraq war, which for years has drawn militants from around the world, is beginning to export fighters and the tactics they have honed in the insurgency to neighboring countries and beyond, according to American, European and Middle Eastern government officials and interviews with militant leaders in Lebanon, Jordan and London.
. . . But early signs of an exodus are clear, and officials in the United States and the Middle East say the potential for veterans of the insurgency to spread far beyond Iraq is significant.
Maj. Gen. Achraf Rifi, general director of the Internal Security Forces in Lebanon, said in a recent interview that “if any country says it is safe from this, they are putting their heads in the sand.” . . .
Militant leaders warn that the situation in Lebanon is indicative of the spread of fighters. “You have 50 fighters from Iraq in Lebanon now, but with good caution I can say there are a hundred times that many, 5,000 or higher, who are just waiting for the right moment to act,” Dr. Mohammad al-Massari, a Saudi dissident in Britain who runs the jihadist Internet forum, Tajdeed.net, said in an interview on Friday. “The flow of fighters is already going back and forth, and the fight will be everywhere until the United States is willing to cease and desist.”
And what about the strategy of moving the US military focus from Afghanistan to Iraq: how is that helping the President’s global war on terror?
In an April 17 report written for the United States government, Dennis Pluchinsky, a former senior intelligence analyst at the State Department, said battle-hardened militants from Iraq posed a greater threat to the West than extremists who trained in Afghanistan because Iraq had become a laboratory for urban guerrilla tactics.
“There are some operational parallels between the urban terrorist activity in Iraq and the urban environments in Europe and the United States,” Mr. Pluchinsky wrote. “More relevant terrorist skills are transferable from Iraq to Europe than from Afghanistan to Europe,” he went on, citing the use of safe houses, surveillance, bomb making and mortars.
A top American military official who tracks terrorism in Iraq and the surrounding region, and who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the topic, said: “Do I think in the future the jihad will be fueled from the battlefield of Iraq? Yes. More so than the battlefield of Afghanistan.”
The Bush/Cheney regime is fond of arguing that “we have to fight them there [Iraq] so we won’t have to fight them here.” But it’s been clear all along that as long as we fight “them” there as though we’re entitled to invade and occupy their lands, we may have to fight them everywhere. Since the regime ignored the intelligence reports predicting this would happen, it’s unlikely they’ll now admit their policies are exacerbating the danger. At least Al Gore has the courage to say it straight out (h/t C&L).
Locked in its bellicose neocon ideology, the regime remains oblivious to the public will, disdainful of intelligence warnings and reckless in ways that are endangering us and our friends. And yet virtually every Republican and a signficant number of Democrats just voted to give the regime yet another authorization to continue its disastrous policies. If you have a chance to meet your Congressional representatives this week, you might want to let them know how you feel about leaving this regime in office, especially with no constraints on how much damage they can do to our national security.



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Zed? Morning Scarecrow.
Happy Monday scarecrow!
Did anybody see Richardson yesterday on Meet the Press? I was visiting a friend and missed it. My husband told me Russert walked all over him.
We’ve always had to fight them everywhere. That’s why international cooperation was so vital. Which of course was the first casualty in the post-911 world.
Thanks Dick. Thanks a shitload.
Re: Richardson v. Timmeh: IT was a hit job. Timmy put him on the ropes and kept him there. Sadly I can’t remember much in the way of topics. His supposed flip flop on the Iraq war, misusing a quote from the mother of one of NM’s casualties, ad nauseum.
Did you all get your ‘Support the Troops….End The War t-shirts from John Edwards?
BTW Edwards is being accused of profiting from the war by linking these t-shirts to a donation. That accusation must have originated from a Haliburton exec.
‘morning
may I offer this up for our Memorial Day “Celebration” this day:
grief
Good morning gang. Looking for interesting Memorial Day anecdotes, moving stories, not necessarily about war. What’s happening in your communities today?
Darth Cheney is the MOST pathetic troll EVER to serve in any administration….that is in addition to the fact he is a war criminal!!!
Elliott @ 7
Wow – that’s a powerful image.
Gee, no one could have predicted…aw, hell, I don’t even have the energy to mock them this morning. This is worst case scenario horrible. It is as though Iraq has been turned into one, big urban warfare training camp for people who want to spread violent military jihad…and we helped them to set it up. Arrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhh!
Thanks Scarecrow — great post.
Good morning Scarecrow, Christy.
Every day is Memorial Day on the Lake.
We always remember the war dead.
In so far as the enemy in the Middle East is concerned. We have been introduced. And it is us.
My mind, on this, the observed Memorial Day, drifts to those friends I knew who died in ‘Nam. And to those I didn’t know, in Iraq.
Good morning Christy — it is mind numbing — and that’s the way I’m feeling today. Just numb.
mrsmarks @ 3
Listened to only part of it but that was definitely the impression I got as well. Any inclination I might have had to vote for Richardson is totally gone.
Scarecrow @ 8
Hey Scarecrow! What a nice treat to get your post this am (which I still haven’t read). I’ll try and dig up some local stuff, not sure how interesting it is.
Cheney. This is a man who requested and received five… count ‘em… 5 deferments during Vietnam. Mr. Cheney “had other priorities”.
Listened to only part of it but that was definitely the impression I got as well. Any inclination I might have had to vote for Richardson is totally gone.
Given his resume, I was willing to give him a chance to impress me, but watching him sit there as a punching bag for an hour pretty much made up my mind.
Scarecrow @ 8
An anecdote of sorts:
I was a Boy Scout and also attended a military high school. One of those things I learned that has stuck with me is the special handling of the flag on Memorial Day. For those not aware, on Memorial Day the flag is supposed to be displayed at half staff until noon at which time it is raised to full staff.
One year I was living in Rome, NY, a small city of about 45K in central upstate NY that prided itself on how very patriotic everyone was. There was an AF base there at the time (early ’90s), a state park/memorial to the Revolutionary War Fort (Ft Stanwix), a lot of flags displayed, big patriotic parade every summer the whole works.
So my second Memorial Day, I got in my car about 9AM and just drove all around the town just to see who was doing things correctly. And was not surprised that the only locations that had it correctly were the local American Legion and VFW posts and the Ft Staanwix as the VFW handled that flag. Even the flag at the main gate to the AF base was at full staff.
I was actually stupid enough to stop at the police station and go inside and point out to them the flag was displayed wrong. Their response was, “Hey, it’s a holiday, whaddya expect.”
I went home and wrote a LTE of the local afternoon rag. I did have a lot of fun decrying the “sunshine patriots” who could be counted on to do the easy things but never the difficult. As in today’s world, some things never change.
Poopyman @ 18
That was how I felt after the MSNBC debate. He lost a lot in my estimation after his performance then. I don’t watch Mr PunkinHaid so missed yesterday’s display.
deleted by author, nothing to do with Memorial day.
I’d like to see the front-runner arm chair grunts on those talking whatever Sunday morning shows. Especially one of them. Being asked very hard questions.
scarecrow – i’m so glad you can find words to describe what leaves me incoherant with grief and rage.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 17
Yes. Paul Krugman has a fine column today that touches on a similar point, OK. I may put up a short post on that, for those who don’t get Times select.
Poopyman @ 18
As you note: given the resume… Too bad.
Also makes me wonder why anyone would go on that show without being loaded for bear.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 22
Perhaps Mr. Russert has some hard questions for Mr. Cheney?
dakine01 @ 19
You know, I was a boy scout a zillion years ago, and recall all kinds of flag stuff, but I never knew about the half-day at half staff rule. Thanks.
Today the chimp will give a Memorial Day speech somewhere, and possibly the real commander in chief (Shooter) will speak as well. It is my fervent desire that this is the last Memorial Day speech this pair of criminals has to give. If they haven’t been removed from office by next year, that will be another crime perpetrated upon us by the congress.
I will say it again. I am not upset with the GOP. I expect them to do what they do. I am angry with my party. The Democratic Party.
I always liked the picture in this post. And there is another one I used of a bugler on a misty morning at Arlington cemetary, but I can’t find that one.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 17
Since “deferment” means a postponement, let’s tell Mr. Cheney the time for him to serve is now.
dakine01 @ 19
thanks, i did not know that.
it’s a little tricky to do on the small pole attached to my house, but i think i know what to do… will go fix it now.
not sure you will approve, but this is the american flag i fly today. it replaces the peace flag i usually fly.
both are from peaceflags.org
My father fought in WWII. Purple heart, Bronze Star. He would tell us some anecdotes about the war and his time in a London hospital. But nothing about fighting. I still do not know the details of how he got his injury, nor does my mother. He would simply say ‘it was war. I was shot’. When the Vietnam War was going on, my brother was draft age. My father did everything to keep my brother from being drafted. Having lived through it, I don’t think he believed in ‘the glory of war’.
He’s gone now but I think my very Republican father (who was both civic-minded and politically active) would be with us in trying to convince the masses that war in general should be a last resort option. And the Iraq War, in particular, is both immoral and a dangerous use of our military.
AP – President Bush will pay tribute to America’s war dead this Memorial Day with a visit to Arlington National Cemetery.
MSNBC ran an early morning hour-long piece titled “For God and Country: Marine Sniper”. Synopsis reads: “A Marine returns w/emotional scars simply by doing his job.”
My reaction: not for God and not for country. The twenty-something year old kept saying, “People don’t understand what we’re going through over there.” Perhaps it makes him feel better not to realize just how many Americans *do* understand exactly what they’re going thru’ (and what they’re doing) over there………and what we think of it.
I just CAN . NOT watch anymore of this sort of thing today….the heartsick, it burns.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 29
HotFlash @ 26
Russert is Cheney’s go to guy. He doesn’t toss softballs at the Republicans he lobes marshmallows.
Good morning all!
Been reading Sinclair Lewis and Conason and have a couple more to get through. I’m thinking that what is playing out is exactly what the neocons want. As long as there is perpetual war they can get away with whatever they want to clamp down on and intimidate the masses. And by creating more and more terrorists, there will surely be a perpetual war.
Beyond sad.
yellowdogD @ 28
Hey, impeachment is “off the table”, remember? And I don’t think I’m being overly cynical to think that it will remain off the table as long as the current Speaker and Blue Dogs run the show.
(”Speaker and the Blue Dogs” would be a sucky name for a band, BTW)
selise @ 32
selise, FWIW I do approve of the American flag flying on this day above all others. It is tricky to do the half staff on the small poles but I used to do it on the one we had when I was growing up. In fact, it may not be required to display the small ones at half staff but is still a showing of respect.
I’m not sure how it evolved, but IIRC, the half staff display until noon is in honor of those who have died in battle while the raising to full staff then is to honor those now serving as well as those who lived.
I think the Democrats should give Bush/Cheney anything they can possibly think of and then pretend to be opposed to a few lines of the legislation.
Scarecrow @ 10
for me, it sums up what today means.
Back in the Libby trial when it came out that Mr. Russert was the mouthpiece for the administration, I naively thought the MTP host would take umbrage and be offended, protesting vehemently on his show.
I have learned much since being pointed to FDL. Thank you.
Scarecrow—
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Oh, man — while I’ve learned much, I still screw up repeatedly — see #42 for eliminated lines/boxes. My bad — I even previewed. Must get coffee perkin’.
solai @ 33
We honor the memory of your father and those like him today.
Wigwams diary on Kos really made me think about the future of our Nation. Isnt it our duty to save it…but how?
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/28/54615/1194
Scarecrow @ 30
haunting
Bluetoe @ 36
My point exactly.
Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney, you have no shame. Cheney the ‘Nam draft dodger at West Point the other day exhorting the grads to fight, and Bush, the drug-store party boy, states-side, politically connected and appointed fly boy during Vietnam… at Arlington today.
Take a look at this pix.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/
Over at Gilliard’s place (I sure hope he will pull through this, but the current policy is no more updates on his condition. Prayers and healing thoughts continue) Hubris Sonic has posted an epic of Driftglass (only posted here I think). It ends great, but one MUST read the whole thing!
Congrats wigwam, you are on the Rec list at Kos!
Im still working my way through the links.
IANAL.
Those of you who are lawyers, could you review this link and indicate the ramifications of this May 9th directive consolidating more power to President and broadly defining “national emergency”:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i…..cleId=5721
Scarecrow, your next post is as solid as this one! Good stuff.
We need to mock them all the way that Andy Card was mocked at UMass. Ridicule the ridiculous.
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To stop this war we must be focused on why it happened in the first place.
Oil.
Money.
And the MIC. 40% of our tax dollars goes to the Defense Dept. one way or another. We spend more on defense than the rest of the world combined, while having infant mortality rates of a third world country.
How immoral & unjust is that?
Until we challenge those that profit from war, these endless wars will continue. It really is that simple.
All this other stuff is a distraction- smoke screens designed to let the pillaging of Iraq’s natural resources continue unabated.
Some Memorial Day musings and vids.
slightly OT from today’s WaPoo – It seems being a do-gooder may be hard-wired as a basic response while the ends-justify-means crowd may be the ones suffering from drain bamage…Now who’da thunkit?
dakine01 @ 39
just went to see if i could adjust my flag appropriately – doesn’t really work, as the flag is too big for the small pole. will have to see about getting a smaller flag for next year. i’m glad to know how it’s supposed to be done…
wrt the non-std american flag i fly – i wanted to find a way to honor and show respect for people’s sacrifice with outshowing support for our current wars/occupations. it is my imperfect solution to that dilemma.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 49
Hi Kiddo,
look up at comment #7 for a link to the picture, and a slideshow. It is the picture of the day, imo
dude @ 52
there is a fair amount of discussion at kDos.
and fyi – congress is on break, so no a comment on congressional hearings today.
check back next monday, on the first fld thread – i’ll post a comment with links to congressional hearings for the week.
The last time I telephoned my Representative in order to voice my opposition to the war in Iraq, I was told in so many words that I am anti-American. Now how does one rationalize with that? And yes, my Representative is Rodney Alexander, the man whose office provided to cover to Mark Foley by refusing to disclose evidence to the Clerk of the House. The Chief of Staff who refused to disclose the emails, Royal Alexander, now has the audacity to run for state AG this fall. I will ask you again: How does one engage in a productive conversation with an office that calls you anti-American while providing political cover to a man in his fifties who arrives at the page dormitory late at night drunk for reasons some of us may not want to discuss in this thread?
Bush/Cheney started the Iraq war on lies and 3,400 America service people died!
Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald’s legal brief makes it clear that McClatchey reported:
Bush approved leak of classified information about Iraq, Libby says
By William Douglas
Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON – President Bush authorized Vice President Dick Cheney’s former top aide to divulge classified intelligence information to a New York Times reporter in an effort to defend the president’s decision to go war against Iraq, according to court papers made public Thursday.
The court documents indicate that Bush and Cheney authorized the release of the intelligence information after former Ambassador Joseph Wilson wrote a July 6, 2003, op-ed piece charging that the administration’s claim that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein was trying to obtain uranium from Niger was false. Some intelligence agencies also disputed the White House’s allegation at the time, and it later proved to be false.
The court documents provide the most concrete evidence to date that the president and vice president were engaged in a campaign to disclose selected snippets of highly classified intelligence, much of it misleading, exaggerated or wrong, to a few trusted journalists in an effort to bolster their case for war.
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I’ve said this before, but today is the day to say it again. George W. Bush’s ranch in Crawford, Texas, should be confiscated and made into a national cemetery to hold the graves of these who died in Bush’s war of choice.
It was the fitting end of Robert E. Lee’s Arlington House
selise @ 60
I look forward to your list! thank you.
Bush and Cheney gave the order to Libby: Read all about the lies, question will he convict himself for treason! 3400 VETERANS DIED
http://www.realcities.com/mld/…..281788.htm
selise @ 60
A different slant: Congress is not on “break” — they have been sent home to listen to their constituents. Give them an ear full.
Allow me to modify this sentence with one word that illustrates the strategy a little clearer.
And what about the strategy of moving the US military focus from Afghanistan to Iraq: how is that helping spread the President’s global war on terror?
The ‘GWOT’ empowers Cheney and the Neo Cons, it is their ‘great’ cause and ‘noble lie’, despite all the flowery promises, anyone who is surprised by the spread of the war on terror is not paying attention.
Borat has it right, it is a ‘War OF Terror’ and the U.S. are the terrorists, spreading fear and (omg ‘Terror’) around the world.
Forget the islamofacists, its the amerifascists that are a global threat.
I don’t think oil/money was the only reason we went to war.
First and foremost, war was a means to increase the powers of the president.
solai @ 33
My WWII Vet father is alive and still kicking, very much like your Dad about his survival of the Battle of Tarawa in the pacific. He started talking about his war experience after he saw F9/11, saying it bothered him a lot and now he talks about it all the time.
In 1965, my father worked for the Army as a Biologist at boot camp training base during Vietnam because they had a outbreak of the Plague. My Marine father turned against the Vietnam war then, his explanation was he was so tired of hearing of some nice kid getting killed and he blamed it all on the “piss poor” training. Fresh faced kids, 6 weeks boot then direct to Nam.
Now it is happening all over again. He talks about his war experiences now more than ever, even getting in to some of the details.
Scarecrow @ 64
you are so right. thank you for the correction!
… and i will try to give an earful and more.
There is no need to stoop to the level of swiftboating in the Cheney matter. Just keep drilling away at Mr. Cheney’s “military service record”.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 69
you mean those five deferment slips? That’s his miltary record.
Notice how many of our politician-hawks love wars they don’t have to participate in.
Elliott @ 70
;0)
Spot-on, Dick!
That’s what we warned you about; that you would be creating FAR more “terrrist” problems than you would solve, by cobbling up your snakeoil-and-koolaid invasion and occupation of a country which had jackshit to do with 9-11.
So good to have you on board.
folks — I put up a new thread on the Paul Krugman column and Gore op ed.
Scarecrow’s new thread is up.
Krugman On Trust And Betrayal
And FWIW, anyone who lived through the Vietnam Era knows that joining the National Guard was a means to avoid Vietnam. Rove managed to somehow pretend that pointing that out was akin to dissing the Guard. Bull! It is a fact. Our bully president avoided serving…period.
Cheney means “You have to fight them there so you won’t have to fight them here. We, the Republic elite, do not fight.”
solai @ 78
Now the Decider has made himself feel brave by using the National Guard as cannon fodder.
we’ve been saying this since before the war, Clarke made it crystal clear in public before everyone’s eyes
the president was warned engaging Iraq, would create more terrorism it wouldn’t be fighting it
every single military expert, aid, general, was incredulous that the president actually wanted to divert the resources we needed in Afghanistan into Iraq, I country he was told in no uncertain terms posed no threat
this president was told and told and told, do NOT engage Iraq, do NOT voluntarily fight two fronts
you know, when we were children we were told an Aesop’s fable;
the king gave each of his children a stack of straw, none of them could break the stack
until
he gave his sons a little of the stack each, divide and conquer
war 101, do not voluntarily engage two fronts
this president actually divided our resources deliberately and with intention
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it’s as if he read bin laden’s play book and led America to do whatever bin laden wanted us to do
it looks deliberate, let’s take this “surge”
every single expert told the president he would be exacerbating the problem…what did that mean to the president”
it meant “GREAT, I WANT SOME OF THAT”
look at us today, the military is stretched too thin, we have to be told this from the president’s own generals, we can no longer recruit quality assets, they refuse to be a part of this presidents depraved war
our states assets are gone, used in Iraq and no longer available
our treasure to replenish is gone, borrowed against our kids future from china and saudi arabia
what does it take for congress to do something about what is being done to America?
what does it take?
it’s time they de authorised the president’s war
pelosi has to go in front of the TEEvee and say’
“this president tells us he is under the impression he’s doing a good job, this president is tells us he is under the impression he’s figting terrosm
he makes these claims inspite of the facts before his very eyes, he makes bizzare claims that have no basis in military strategy and our own inteligence
he is under the impression we are going to let him continue making decisions that fly in the face of all military advise, insight and knowledge
we will not, he is not to make decisions without our consent, we are here to bring our military back to the strength it was before his diversion, we are here to start the fight against terrorism once more
this presient’s policies and decisions are exclusive from those goals”
enough is enough Nancy, I was impressed with your achievements from the start of your tenure as speaker but Ia’m getting too anxous now, American can’t wait, the world can’t wait
it’s time to do something about this now
A word on Memorial Day:
My dad could not serve in WWII with a broken eardrum, but he was already working in a strategic industry – railroads – so he probably wouldn’t have been taken anyway. But in 1950 he and my mother bought one of those post-war houses in a development that was stocked full of returning vets and their young families.
The late 50s and 60s was a fabulous time to be growing up in that environment. Tons of kids of approximately the same age, and stay-at-home moms who as a group looked out for all of us.
But the dads, those vets. It wasn’t until years later that I began to see the them in a new light. Dads staggering home drunk twice a week. One liked to chase his kids around the front yard and laughed to hear them scream. I think he was fooling around with them, but they weren’t going to hang around to find out. Arguments that could be heard down the block on hot summer nights. This was the environment I was raised in, so to me it was normal, then.
So here’s to the departed dads of my youth. Not all war casualties are counted as such.
Who does Blackwater answer to? No one
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0526.html
They should change their name to Bloodywater!
Kathleen @ 83
Perhaps they answer to the Carlyle Group.
I really think the neocons planned it this way. This isn’t about just about Iraq. It’s about the whole area.
isn’t there some obscure provision somewhere about being able to enact an emergency draft in wartime of all landowning white males over the age of 18 when it is proved needed to protect our country?
or did i just dream that?
someone has got to figure out how we are going to occupy the middle east without live bodies.
volunteers are not crowding the recruitment centers and we show no signs of EVER leaving any country that has something we want.
so where are the bodies going to come from when the poor people are all dead? first, you KNOW that if we do get a draft, there will still be deferments, so middle class? YOU are it!
happy memorial day, cannon fodder.
Scarecrow, this may or may not cheer you: the whales have left Rio Vista & are down by Martinez, but again going in circles. Think they’re waiting for their second shot of antibiotics before resuming their journey out to sea. That’s what’s happening in NorCal.
Tried to send you reference to a post from ____ Professor regarding the truth of why we’re still fighting them there. (the reference from BuzzWatch wouldn’t work.)
It’s cuz BushCheneyCo haven’t gotten the oil bill passed in the Iraq parliament. I hope they never pass it. But I hope we get the heck out of there. Article has long quotes from Kucinich and another Dem rep that notes that there are three lines about dividing the oil between the three groups there, and 33 pages about dividing it between the American/Brit oil companies, along with some history back to the 50s. But of course the admin only talks about the three lines. So typical of their infinite lies
When is FDL going to address this issue? And when the heck are the Dem Pres seekers and the MSM going to address this. When will there be truth telling?
It’s always been about the oil.
The big old embassy and all the permanent military bases are to protect the big oil cos. infinite future exploitation of the Iraqi oil.