dalloway @ 11

I don’t think Iraq was a mistake or that the warnings were ignored inadvertently. What’s happening in Iraq (war without end) is exactly what Rove and Cheney had in mind. And that’s the reason hell will freeze over before they’ll get out.

And they aren’t building that Vatican-sized embassy for nothing. Cheney still envisions Iraq as the seat of his permanent control of mid eastern oil.

A friend who has been to Iraq 6 times over the last four years has shared that many of the Iraqi people believe chaos in Iraq is just what the “cakewalk in Iraq” zealots wanted. The U.S.’s “Sabra and Shatilla”. Create an enviroment by taking the lid off the Religious hatred where ethnic killings can take place, and millions of refugees are the result. Micheal “creative destruction” “fucking drowning in blood” Micheal Ledeen, Micheal Rubin, Bolton, Perle, Rhode, Cheney, Feith, etc. could care less about Iraqi lives.

The Israel/Oil/ crowd have a price to pay for all of this unnecessary death and destruction!

Oklahoma kiddo @ 10

Democrats who voted with Bush to attack Iraq had to know about these CIA warnings too.

My belief is that many, including John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, allowed cynical political calculation to override their duty to vote their consciences and serve the interests of the public at large. They were obviously too clever for their own good. The supreme irony is that, had they voted their consciences and opposed the war, they would be now be flipping heroes. Sic transit gloria mundi.

Kerry, Clinton and others who have repeated “if only we knew then what we know now” hogwash will pay the consequences of their unwillingness to come clean.

When Gore announces that he will be running for President this fall…he will take Clinton out based on Gore’s consistent and honorable stand against the invasion.

Run Al Run!

Republican Senator Pat Roberts did everything is his power to divert and delay the most critical investigations and findings of Phase II of the SSCI!

The Pentagons’s Inspector General calling the use of false intelligence by Feith and others “inappropriate” is a slap on the hand! Let’s hope we witness more serious repercussions for those with yellow cake all over their faces and Iraqi and American blood up to their necks!

We are waiting for those responsible for the false intelligence to be held accountable.

Now if you were watching only the main main stream media outlets. All one saw or heard was Cheney, Bush, Bill Kristol, Rice, Wolfowitz, Perle, Reuel Marc Gerecht, Micheal Rubin, Ledeen repeating the lies about WMD’s, fearmongering “mushroom clouds, smoking gun” etc. It was easy to understand why many Americans were convinced that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 (Cheney is still repeating these lies) and posessed WMD’s.

Although when Senator Hillary Clinton and others say “if only we knew then what we know now” I say horseshit! That is unless they were given other “false” intelligence which the public was not privy to.

Hundreds of thousands of Iraqi people and Americans are now dead and injured. Millions in Iraq are displaced due to our invasion of Iraq. Holding those responsible for creating and dessiminating this false intelligence is the very least that our reps can do for those who have needlessly lost their lives in this illegal and immoral war of choice!

The whole world is watching. PHASE II OF THE SENATE SELECT COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE PLEASE!

I’ll bet most of you were enthusiastic supporters of Bill Clinton’s military cuts.

You fight the war with army you have when the war comes. The war came on 9.11 and we should be in Syria and Iran right now.

Looney Tunes.

Democrats who voted with Bush to attack Iraq had to know about these CIA warnings too.

My belief is that many, including John Kerry and Hillary Clinton, allowed cynical political calculation to override their duty to vote their consciences and serve the interests of the public at large. They were obviously too clever for their own good. The supreme irony is that, had they voted their consciences and opposed the war, they would be now be flipping heroes. Sic transit gloria mundi.

Bush’s Iraq War just represents a “hostile takeover” of a competing corporate interest. In the case, the country of Iraq, run by Saddam Hussein, with oil being it’s major “corporate” asset.

So, just like in any corporate “hostile takeover” of another corporation, the goal of Bush’s Iraq War was to invade Iraq, depose Saddam Hussein, secure Iraq’s major asset (oil), and to hell with all the little people lower in the corporate food chain…that is, to hell with the Iraqi people.

Once Bush and Cheney supplanted Saddam Hussein and planted one of their corporate flunkies in Baghdad to rule Iraq, then Iraqi citizens would either bow to their new “corporate” masters, or leave.

In other words, Bush and Cheney, being corporatist warhawks have a “hostile takeover” mentality. So, what the hell would they care about warnings that their “hostile takeover” of Iraq would lead to what the intelligence analysts predicted would happen? The “hostile takeover” of Iraq was the only consideration on Bush and Cheney’s corporatist calendar.

Nine died on Thursday.
Six died on Friday.
Ten died on Satruday.
Three died today.

WHY?

V.P. Cheney has other priorities and
President Bush is serving in the White House (where it’s safe).

What more could you want from those guys?

I wonder if things would be better had the U.S. government continued to pursue a vigorous Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement after former President Carter left office? And I’m not interested in hearing about President Clinton’s failures along these lines.

It’s certainly been confusing, hasn’t it.

One thing to always recall is that we have two major political parties and the ways they run foreign policy are as different as the ways they run domestic policy. Add the strange, but idealistic, idea that our foreign policy should be bi-partisan and you end up in some strange places.

Our policies to be a ‘fair broker’ between Palestinians and Israel has led us to small wars with Libya and Lebanon (during Reagan’s time), Afghanistan to help the mujahideen fight Soviets, almost to Bosnia under Clinton, to Kosovo, perhaps Chechnya and to the Persian Gulf war to liberate and protect Kuwait monarchs. It’s definately been a strange journey.

Then, add on top of that the general idea that after the Soviet Union fell we’d need a new Hitler to oppose, so our military-industrial-congressional complex could flouish and it leads to the major secular powers of the Islamic world whom we could depose in order to be a ‘fair broker’/supporter of the Islamic countries (including Iran). This is complicated by our support of Saddam’s war effort against Iran. It appears we were playing both sides against one another for our own gain.

Now we’ve deposed Hitler, er uh, Saddam and Iran will likely play a large role in establishing the new Shia-majority government in Iraq. This isn’t an awful thing in and of itself. Of course, the Israelis might disagree. But, stability and order, even if Sharia-like, is to be preferred to unending bloodletting and anarchy.

This complex multi-layered foreign policy is something amazing to behold and in that context I don’t think it’s always useful for Carter to focus so narrowly on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, but it’s hard to disagree with him.

Where things get ugly is when the Republican administrations begin using wars and trickery to advance the foreign policy while stuffing their own pockets with money. Perhaps the ugliest was the original arms for hostages deal with Iran (brokered by Israelis). Disgusting.

I think Clinton advanced the policy, but was wise to avoid too much involvement in the focal point around Israel. His late effort failed because of the mess Palestinians called a government. In light of their duplicity and double-dealing we ended up ending discussions with them and letting Israel slaughter ‘em. It was a de facto invitation to war when Arafat took the deal offered to his “government” and they rejected it. I don’t think they’ve done too well in this one-sided war and they ought to reconsider the deal.

What’s next? Well, we’ve got a dilemma, don’t we? On the one hand we’re trying to be a fair broker, but on the other we’re using events for profit and we’re currently letting Israel slaughter anybody they choose. I think the next step is to complete the Green Line ‘wall’ and to simply prevent Al Qaeda (if it isn’t just a CIA front) from stirring up trouble and let the Islamic world decide how they’re going to step up to the plate and find a way to peace. It’s in their hands if they want it. Otherwise there’s simply going to be blood in the streets. It’s tragic, but inevitable. [ See also, IRA v. UK. ]

What’s up with Rockefeller releasing the report on a Friday, a three day weekend no less, when 38 million people are on the road.

Not to mention the day after a critical vote on war funding?

Can you say Good Cop/Bad Cop? Seems they’re still on the same team. Hey Rocky, How many subpoenas has your committee issued?

Pelosi 2007 or start the Velour Revolution!

New Senate Report Is Worst Betrayal Yet:
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/22933