Hello there — I’m Thers, from Whiskey Fire, pinch-hitting today for the lovely and devastating (and vacationing) Watertiger.
I know "Face the Snark" is the place to bring Teh Funny, and I was all set to do so. There is of course no shortage of wingnut stupid out in the ’sphere, to say nothing of the allegedly liberal "MSM." And usually very little effort is required to spin comedy gold from their straw men and goofball pontificating. The names "Jonah Goldberg," or "Ann Althouse," are pretty much jokes all by themselves: quote, snark, post that sucker! Shazam! Sure-fire hilarity.
But the close cousin of snark is disgust. As any halfway normal child will tell you, clowns make you giggle right up to the point when they make you sad and afraid and you want to cry and the cotton candy turns to ash in your mouth. Sometimes you cannot gaze upon the whole hysterical passing show that is the right blogosphere without deep disgust, unleavened by humor. Sometimes they’re just really, really depressing.
To wit: certain responses to Boston University professor and anti-war activist Andrew J. Bacevich’s heartrending article today in the Washington Post. A few weeks ago his 27 year old son was killed in Iraq. Bacevich writes that he has been pondering the responsibility that he — and, by extension, each of us as Americans — might bear for his son’s death. He could not stop this absurd nightmare of a war by speaking out; nobody could. Mustn’t there be something deeply wrong with our entire national system if it permits this catastrophe to continue even now, when everyone knows the American people wish it to end?
The people have spoken, and nothing of substance has changed. The November 2006 midterm elections signified an unambiguous repudiation of the policies that landed us in our present predicament. But half a year later, the war continues, with no end in sight. Indeed, by sending more troops to Iraq (and by extending the tours of those, like my son, who were already there), Bush has signaled his complete disregard for what was once quaintly referred to as "the will of the people."
To be fair, responsibility for the war’s continuation now rests no less with the Democrats who control Congress than with the president and his party. After my son’s death, my state’s senators, Edward M. Kennedy and John F. Kerry, telephoned to express their condolences. Stephen F. Lynch, our congressman, attended my son’s wake. Kerry was present for the funeral Mass. My family and I greatly appreciated such gestures. But when I suggested to each of them the necessity of ending the war, I got the brushoff. More accurately, after ever so briefly pretending to listen, each treated me to a convoluted explanation that said in essence: Don’t blame me.
Bacevich says the devil in the machine is money: "To whom do Kennedy, Kerry and Lynch listen? We know the answer: to the same people who have the ear of George W. Bush and Karl Rove — namely, wealthy individuals and institutions. Money buys access and influence. Money greases the process that will yield us a new president in 2008. When it comes to Iraq, money ensures that the concerns of big business, big oil, bellicose evangelicals and Middle East allies gain a hearing. By comparison, the lives of U.S. soldiers figure as an afterthought."
I myself agree with Jim Henley that "money" alone is too simple an answer, but it’s not like Bacevich is totally off base. "Money" doesn’t explain everything, only 90 percent of it… also factoring into the equation would be imperialist ambitions, a horribly misplaced trust in authority, a stupefying lack of integrity or professionalism, and then just plain foolishness. And that’s just describing the media! When you try to figure out exactly what the hell the Bushites were thinking you’d have to throw in ideological arrogance and delusions of competence. As for, say, Kerry, and the Democratic party… well, I’d diagnose an inordinate regard for the opinions of a corrupt punditry and a reliance on a discredited and discreditable class of consultants and pollsters. And, of course, money.
But at the core of Bacevich’s article is a wrenching call for self-examination, for an unflinching analysis of the system to which we as a people owe allegiance but yet, strangely enough, do not seem to own. That his piece is occasioned by the death of his child makes this call to reflection almost unbearably moving:
I know that my son did his best to serve our country. Through my own opposition to a profoundly misguided war, I thought I was doing the same. In fact, while he was giving his all, I was doing nothing. In this way, I failed him.
And… Enter Wingnuttia, in the person of Jules Crittenden, whose confusion is as usual comparable only to his mendacity. According to Crittenden, Bacevich
moves from bad ideas about the war to conspiracy theories and rejection of the value of the sacrifice of American soldiers, in fact reducing it to a dollar figure. He ends with the unusual statement that he didn’t do enough against this war. Given that he has been a significant and thoughtful, if wrong, voice against this war who happens to be on the losing end of a political process that thus far has worked as it was designed to, I’m not sure what he means. Insurrection?
Oh, I think I can explain what he means.
The "political process" has been corrupted, is precisely Bacevich’s point. The system does not work. It is not responsive to the best interests of the people. What Crittenden does not and probably cannot understand is that Bacevich believes that his son’s sacrifice was in vain: that he did not die in the name of the American people, but in the name of powerful interests who have misled the nation — in every sense of the word "misled." He does not doubt his son’s nobility or integrity. But he thinks his son was betrayed.
As, indeed, he was. Because Bacevich is not wrong about the war. And that stands to our shame as a people. What have we done? And, almost as badly, what haven’t we done that we should have? What are we to do with all this blood on our hands?
Happy Memorial Day.
(Watertiger will be back with the snark-round-up next Sunday. What with the Capitulation Bill and all last week wasn’t very amusing, for me, personally. Oh well. I trust the wingnuts will once more begin to appear more amusing and less purely ghastly in due course, probably as soon as tomorrow… Can’t stop the snark for long, y’know!)
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Whoops — posted that, deleted it, reposted it. In my defense a two-year-old is fighting with a seven-year-old right behind me…
Just who do those barbarians think they are?
The more things change …
If money is the problem, then http://www.publiccampaign.org is the solution.
But as for Kennedy’s reticence in talking to Bacevich: That wasn’t about money. I’m guessing it was about the shame he felt in that while he voted the right way and did his best for months to get Republicans as well as his fellow Democrats to back a bill with teeth, in the end it just wasn’t possible.
I agree with saying that Dems like Kennedy could have done better with messaging — though getting the message past the GOP/Media gatekeepers is alway dicey.
I don’t agree with saying that Kennedy, even though he did his damndest (even if he didn’t do it right), is a bought-off tool. A tool wouldn’t have been one of the 23 Senators to vote against the original AUMF in the first place.
And which one thinks he’s president?
Passed up the zed to read your thought-provoking article and to follow the link into Jules Crittendon’s fief in the Kingdom of Wingnuttia. Good Memorial Day subject, for sure.
Wow, Thers, very powerful. Lets us hope it becomes food for thought in wingnutia.
BULLSHIT!!!!
And we are supposed to assume that this “anti-war activist” had no means of preventing his son from enlisting in this genocidal enterprise?
BULLSHIT!!!!
Great piece.
But don’t neglect the complicity of the democratic leadership in this one.
And don’t forget who pays the bills
Not one thin dime. Not one millimeter of shoe leather.
Time for serious campaign finance reform. Let’s do all we can to get the corporations and the fat cats a much smaller role in determining public policy.
thanks, thers,
i’m with you on the realization that it’s ok not to be snarky or funny if the moment isn’t right. and as for crittenden’s snide question, it’s actually worth asking.
at what point should one say, “enough is enough.” ? really.
how bad does it have to get before we say something like
I’m a rogue state, honey
Getting unpredictable and strange
Just a rogue state itching to
Test my harridan ballistic range
National Missle Defense System
Got nothing on me
I can pierce throught the genome project
With a cyborg’s vitality
I’m in a rogue state Mr. President
Don’t tell me what to do
Your rules aren’t my rules
Cause I’m the Lady of Misrule
Anne Waldman wrote that and spoke it at the Supreme Court building on Inauguration Day in January of 2000. i didn’t ask he if i could but i imagine she wouldn’t mind being quoted here ……
David Ehrenstein @ 8
I disagree. He could have (perhaps) prevented his own son’s tragedy, but not “stop this absurd nightmare of a war”.
Very good article. We as a nation have much introspection to undertake.There is plenty of blame to go around but what of those who actually carry the burden, who have already paid the ultimate price?What say do they have in the course of our continued adherence to failed policies?Those whos families remain behind to deal with the grief.
It is a remarkeable place we are in now, when 70% of the population of this country want to be done with this madness, have voted to replace the governing body to accomplish that, and have been ignored by the new governing body.
What recourse do we have at this point to enforce the will of the governed?
David Ehrenstein @ 8
got any kids, David?
got control over their decisions by the time they hit 18?
i don’t know the answer to question one, but i do know the answer to question two.
David Ehrenstein @ 8
And what do you suggest he have done? Kidnap and hogtie his son? Many sons choose to follow a father or brother or uncle into military service. That service is not to be denigrated because the LEADERS have failed in THEIR duty. I don’t have any children so it will not present itself to me. But I do have younger cousins, including a couple that are serving in the Army. They are adults and made a choice to serve. I have to respect their decision even though I wish they hadn’t made it now. But especially for those who started their service prior to the invasion, yoy are holding them culpable for something out of their control.
David Ehrenstein @ 8
dude, that’s uncalled for.
#1: Bacevich’s son was a 27-year old adult, not a child. Parents lose the right to order their kids around and force them to do things at age 18.
#2: Bacevich’s son’s actions have nothing to do with Bacevich himself, anymore than your douchebag comment reflects poorly on your father.
#3: You don’t know when or why Bacevich’s son joined the military, but you certainly assume that he had some choice in whether he was sent to Iraq.
welcome, Thers!
Maybe this will dull the pain — Dis Card at UMass.
there is but one ‘party’ in the politics of the USofA, quoth Gore Vidal. it is the Party of Property & Privilege, and it has two Right wings: the Right wing (i.e., the ‘dims’, the ever-so-slightly less privileged) and the Very Right Wing (Pukes).
Both take their orders from corpoRat boardrooms far more reliably than from the pitiful, toothless ‘mandates’ occasioned by the intermittent ‘elections’ called by the property owners to re-affirm their ownership and hegemony…
/
welcome thers! — and i must point-out,
to be fair to prof. bacevich, that he
also plainly blames the “the re-
publican/democratic duopoly of
trivialized politics. . .” as well,
for where we are on all of this. . . not
just “the money“.
now ON-TOPIC, but epu’d. . .
. . .there are actually many very
worthy reads on the opinion pages
of many newspapers on all of this
this morning — but, i have sourced
two recent photos — one of a dis-
tinguishedly graying professor; the
other, his solid, square-jawed son,
with his unit, in iraq. . . seeing
these two, and reading the opinion. . .
these are the father and son, bacevich. . .
well — just go see it. . .
then read the whole of the
opinions at the sources linked. . .
just as thers suggested. . .
p e a c e
anyone else get a giant burp in their toobz about 10 minutes ago?
yep — absolutely. over now.
TexBetsy @ 20
Richardson now sayin that we need to withdraw completely from Iraq by the end of this year and leave NO residual troops.
Here we go. It isn’t clear that Richardson has a lot of credibility on the issue cause he’s flip flopped on it- but this is the first candidate that I am aware of who has brought up the zero residual troops issue. Everyone else more or less assumes that we will leave SOME troops for SOME issue. If Richardson starts a debate about the pluses and minuses of the residual troop issue- he will have done a great service- can ya spell “guard OUR oil?”
TeddySanFran @ 17
until these fascist sons of fuukin bitches are met, everywhere they go, with fusillades of reeking, rotten produce, and howls of derision; until they cannot show their faces in public without occasioning barrages of rotten eggs and offal; until they literally fear for their safety, they will have won…
i take the response to Card at UMass to be a good, if insufficient, omen…
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TexBetsy @ 20
Yep, but I am currently swiping WIFI on my Aunts laptop so I didn’t know if it was me or Ted ‘Toobz” Stevens parking another truck.
Whoa! For a few minutes there I was convinced I had broken the ‘Lake! I was preparing the most abject apology ever: “Dear Jane. I am sorry I destroyed your blog…”
But we seem to be working now.
Thers @ 26
LOL. So glad you didn’t need to write that. Happens from time to time.
What happened to redeploy the troops to the borders, rather than withdrawal? Provide logistics, humanitarian aid, and let the sects beat each other up for awhile. The “war”, I thought, was over after “Mission Accomplished” It was the republicans’ admission, in fact. If so, there is no war, and now it is a police action. Redeploy, talk about police action…set the debate!
Teddy, thanks for the welcome — I did see that.
(Evil Muttley snicker)
Best case scenario is that we have a new debate on Iraq in September- when the money runs out again- and that the public has moved strongly enough in favor of immediate withdrawal that the pussy footin politicians decide that the water won’t freeze their private parts.
If that happened and if we actually decided to pull ALL the troops out- we’d still probably be in withdrawal pains in mid 08. Would take the war off the table for the 08 election though- which might benefit the gooper candidates. Course they’re pretty pathetic in any event.
“rotten eggs”
So the damned rotten egg industry is gettin involved in politics again?
Dave @ #8,
My dad served in WWII. When I went into the Army in 1966, he was very proud. When I got out a couple of years later and was unrelenting in my criticism of the Vietnam War, he could hardly talk to me. But by 1970, when my next younger brother turned 18 and became a conscientious objector, Dad had learned enough to support my brother.
My son turned 18 and graduated from high school last week. He’s signed up for selective service, but has told me he’d rather move to Canada than be drafted, if a draft happens when the Iran War goes out of control. My son thinks that if humans are to survive as a species, we need to evolve beyond systemized violence very soon. In this, I support him.
But some of his friends are headed to the service academies, some going into college ROTC programs and some are enlisting. I know most of their parents, and no matter what their political beliefs, I support them in the way they are encouraging their kids to proceed with their lives. One good friend’s son just completed his second year at Annapolis. The dad is very, very critical of every aspect of the current US administration, and is very, very proud of his son.
If either of my kids decided to join the military in one way or another, I would support that decision. I’d give talking him or her out of it an ardent try, though.
Bacevich was himself in Vietnam, and came to bitterly regret it. Crittenden is actually a jackass about that, too, saying essentially “why are you siding with the hippies who hated your service?” Jerk.
Military service does run in families.
This democracy has a sucking chestwound and the only treatment being offered is a sleeping pill.
Ask not for whom the bell tolls.
-GSD
nagahapun…there will ALWAYS be US forces stationed in Iraq…one of the three main reasons the US went into Iraq was that, after they’d been thrown out of Saudi by Bin Laden’s gentle reminder of IX/XI, the US needed (and still needs–unsinkable) platforms from which to launch USer influence across the trans-caspian and central asia, to keep a lid (as much as possible) on the territorial and diplomatic ambitions of China and India to exert power in the region.
there’s still a shit-pot of petroleum out there, a lot of it so far unexploited, and the USers don’t want to see China or India gain control over it…
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ET – Spot on!
Thers really doesn’t know how to do this whole Face the Snark thing. Usually I get a link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3m-gOelA8g
fahrender @ 14
correct.
completely correct.
as always, Digby is on target. the photo of “Arlington West” is very pertinent to our topic right now. drop by ……
Interesting comments from Mike Whitney:
Probably the most striking area in which politicians and lawyers have let this country down is their constant efforts in thwarting public financing of elections.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 41
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXtHJDxbEOw
Do you think Obama and Hillary would support public election funding? Not on your life.
Tokin’ lib’rul: That is exactly why the democrats have to demand redeployment, police state and get to work in Afganistan. They have to acknowledge the realpolitik behind this move, and call the administration out on their huge mistakes. It is a win-win: if you, as a democrat, voted for this measure (which most all did), then recalibrate your stance and state: (1) we are for the troops, so pull them out of the meatgrinder you created by not sending enough troops, disbanding the bathist army, place the blame directly on Bush and Bremer, by (2) redeploying them to the borders, thereby protecting our “interests and friends” (oil and pipelines), and get to work on (3) our real enemy, the Qaeda in Afganistan. That way, the democrats look tough on terror, without capitulating to the whole “not for the troops” talking point. Save face and the troops at the same time.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 42
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXtHJDxbEOw
Looking forward to the 2008 campaign?
A reminder of the 2004 Republican tactics.
-GSD
Sam up and running on AARgh
try this for sammy cam
http://tinyurl.com/2jg7g6
To young folks thinking of enlisting, I say to you: Don’t do it!
(
well, yeah…
except they’re in pakistan, and untouchable…
Get the troops out at the end of next month! It can be done.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 47
i have a neighbor, a real nice kid, just graduated last week; played football and baseball for Valley High…
has already enlisted, but deferred induction til after the Graduation party/trip thing…
goes into the Army on June 15…
i tried a little to talk to ‘im, but he’s been seduced: Faux (though he doesn’t know it) patriotism and money for college…
i hope he’s gonna be okay…
From me to the members of my party who didn’t have the guts to vote against Bush on Iraq way back when, and the other day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v…..mp;search=
If no good men join the military, then the military will be filled with bad men.
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 51
My nephew is in the military, so far stateside and safe. He’s a logistics expert for the guard.
cancer_cures @ 53
Unfortunately, it is probably already getting that way with the relaxation of standards allowing those convicted of felonies to enlist. About the only thing apparently unacceptable is being gay; anything else is fair game (or acceptable cannon fodder as the case may be).
For my brothers and sisters on this Memorial Day weekend who have perished in Iraq.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLe9pJSRas0
TexBetsy @ 54
If I’ve understood the situation correctly, he’s probably safe until your niece reaches 18 at which point she’s an adult and he’s fair game for shipping off.
Right on, Thers. But I won’t take the blame for this genocide. I’m an idiot, but somehow in 2002 I knew better than all our so-called leaders what BushCo planned to do, and I was fucking screaming at the “democrats” and anyone who would listen…. And even now I get nothing but shit from “progressives” when I express any cynicism about the system.
Peace.
My nephew joined the army and has gone through basic training, but can’t graduate from it because he can’t run 2 miles in 15 minutes. Apparently he hurt his knee and can run it in 17 minutes, but they won’t graduate him unless he can do it in 15 minutes. Isn’t this crazy when they need soldiers so badly? I like to think that his commanding officer is just protecting this good, cleancut kid from getting ruined by this senseless war and using this as an excuse for not passing him.
True. 2.5 years, but he will have completed his commitment by then if the army holds up its end of the contract.
If that asshole, Jules Crittenden, believes so much in Bush’s illegal occupation of Iraq, why doesn’t he enlist?
TexBetsy @ 60
Let’s hope that they fulfill their end of the “bargain.” It’s always a good thing to get that piece of paper called the DD214 in hand acknowledging that all obligations have been completed.
That’s one of the gotchas that they’ve been using is taking folks who had served their active commitment and bringing them back as the inactive commitment had not been ended so they were subject to recall.
Bad men in the military? Turn it over to men who legally kill for money. Blackwater.
Employees of Blackwater USA, a private security firm under contract to the State Department, opened fire on the streets of Baghdad twice in two days last week, and one of the incidents provoked a standoff between the security contractors and Iraqi forces, U.S. and Iraqi officials said.
A Blackwater guard shot and killed an Iraqi driver Thursday near the Interior Ministry, according to three U.S. officials and one Iraqi official who were briefed on the incident but spoke on condition of anonymity because of a pending investigation. On Wednesday, a Blackwater-protected convoy was ambushed in downtown Baghdad, triggering a furious battle in which the security contractors, U.S. and Iraqi troops and AH-64 Apache attack helicopters were firing in a congested area.
i hear you, brotha…
i, too, have made myself persona non grata in many blog-spaces because i am not ‘hopeful’ enough, am ‘too pessimistic’…don’t ’see the good side’…(mebbe don’t clap loud enough for Tink?)
but the parabola of history indicates to me that, generally, social phenomena are not pendulum-like…they don’t swing ‘back’…shot that gets done seems to stay done; so, for example, eric massa said yestiddy he didn’t think it was realistic to repeal the Patriot Act, but that it could be ‘reformed’ and ‘amended’ so that the most egregious limitations on the liberties of the people could be mebbe reined in…
but all that means is that some, mebbe all those limitations that are not judged the “most egregious” will likely stay in place, and the people’s liberties will still be truncated in the name of ‘the national security state.’
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All our volunteer miltary kill for money. Am I wrong?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 63
They killed members of the Iraqi army this week.
Speedy @ 64
All are trained to, not all are in combat and not all kill in combat.
Speedy @ 64
Perhaps. But I do believe there is a sense of duty and patriotism in our military services. I do not detect that from mercs.
Nice.
TexBetsy @ 66
Point taken. They are trained to be mercenaries.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
Why would you? The whole point of being a
mercenaryprivate security contractor is to make money over somebody else’s dead body.Speedy @ 69
Do you get paid to deliberately distort others’ words, or is it a hobby?
concern troll alert?
Hey all – Book Salon is up and running for everyone.
Interesting article on Monica Goodling –
Playing the “White Girl role”
Emily Bazelon and Dahlia Lithwick brilliantly deconstruct the testimony of Monica Goodling, a former attorney and assistant to Deputy Attorney General Paul McNulty in the Justice Department contretemps that has engulfed the Agency in the swirl of scandal over the political firing of 8 U.S. Attorneys. They “go there” and call Goodling out and bust her chops for playing, what blackfolks term as the helpless, “white girl role.”
Women of color in particular, and black women especially, find this feminine B.S. infuriating. White men, especially Republicans, fall for it every time. Democratic Congresswomen Maxine Waters and Linda Sanchez cut to the quick with their questioning of Goodling last week as the above clip of Linda demonstrates.
Bazelon and Lithwick elaborate in their Salon piece, “Monica Goodling and the “girl” card: Nobody seems to want to go there, so we will.”
“Let’s pretend for a moment that the world divides into two types of women: the soft, shy, girly kind who live to serve and the brash, aggressive feminists who live to emasculate. Not our paradigm, but one that’s more alive than dead.”
(snip)
What really shot Goodling into the stratosphere of baby-doll girls were her own whispered words: “At heart,” she testified, “I am a fairly quiet girl, who tries to do the right thing and tries to treat people kindly along the way.” [Late-breaking discovery, courtesy of a sharp reader: Goodling used the word girl in the written rather than spoken version of her testimony.] The idea, of course, was to scrub away her past image as ruthless, power-mad, and zealously Christian. But—as professor Sandy Levinson noted almost immediately over at Balkinization—it was in calling herself a “girl” that the 33-year-old did herself a great favor. It was a signal to the committee that she was no Kyle Sampson. Or Anita Hill.”
Speedy @ 65
“The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.” – George Patton
Oklahoma kiddo @ 37
heh. love it when john finishes up and turns to the ‘bag’ inside which Yoko is ‘performing.’
Shades of Joseph Beuys…
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 51
‘they took a clean cut kid and they made a killer out of him that’s what they did’
b.dylan
Oklahoma kiddo @ 67
Bravo to the mercs, then, who know what a crock that “sense of duty and patriotism” is. Our brave soldiers, if they live, don’t profit at all from their bravery. The mercs go to war in a true American spirit.
i hear you, brotha…
i, too, have made myself persona non grata in many blog-spaces because i am not ‘hopeful’ enough, am ‘too pessimistic’…don’t ’see the good side’…(mebbe don’t clap loud enough for Tink?)
but the parabola of history indicates to me that, generally, social phenomena are not pendulum-like…they don’t swing ‘back’…shit that gets done seems to stay done; so, for example, eric massa said yestiddy he didn’t think it was realistic to repeal the Patriot Act, but that it could be ‘reformed’ and ‘amended’ so that the most egregious limitations on the liberties of the people could be mebbe reined in…
but all that means is that some, mebbe all those limitations that are not judged the “most egregious” will likely stay in place, and the people’s liberties will still be truncated in the name of ‘the national security state.’
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T’anks, Speedy.
I’d make a distinction between “blame” and “responsibility.” I’m not to blame when my kid breaks something, but it’s still my responsibility to try to fix it.
You & I didn’t break the country, but we need to take what responsibility we can for fixing it.
Fortunately I count even such stuff as pointing out that Joe Klein is a wanker as contributing towards a fix…
What really shot Goodling into the stratosphere of baby-doll girls were her own whispered words: “At heart,” she testified, “I am a fairly quiet girl, who tries to do the right thing and tries to treat people kindly along the way.” [Late-breaking discovery, courtesy of a sharp reader: Goodling used the word girl in the written rather than spoken version of her testimony.]
heh. in the filthy weather of her sanctified soul…
just so’s i know the rulz, okay…
what’s the story with suppressing my comments?
they haven’t been any more provocative, and they are certainly less profane (intentionally, goddamn it) than many others…
yet the disappear into the void, appearing 10-20 minutes later where they never were before?
gimme a frackin clue, will ya?
What really shot Goodling into the stratosphere of baby-doll girls were her own whispered words: “At heart,” she testified, “I am a fairly quiet girl, who tries to do the right thing and tries to treat people kindly along the way.”
Unless I have to kneecap them for Karl or bust their balls for Jesus
What really shot Goodling into the stratosphere of baby-doll girls were her own whispered words: “At heart,” she testified, “I am a fairly quiet girl, who tries to do the right thing and tries to treat people kindly along the way.”
Heh. Sometimes I do ‘cross the line’ with power tools and things trying to solve a situation
Thers is everywhere.
Well, I wonder just what Bacevich, or any of us, could have done to stop this disaster in Iraq? Nothing, I think. There were just too many people persuaded by the bush administration that their lives were in danger if we didn’t invade, and the rest of us were outnumbered and helpless. But why do we feel so helpless now, after winning an election? This is even more scary than the original loss.
Our only recourse is illegal in the u.s.
It worked in Poland
These guys and gals are insidious.
Move Over, Ann Coulter
Meet the woman behind ASU’s Caucasian American Men’s Club
By Megan Irwin
The truth is that a woman started the Caucasian American Men of ASU: a blond-haired, blue-eyed former beauty pageant queen named Emily Mitchell, who never even went to Arizona State University.
Without Mitchell, an energetic 24-year-old hired gun dropped onto the ASU campus from South Carolina, Jezierski’s idea would likely have remained just that. Emily Mitchell looks like just another undergrad, but she’s actually a political organizer working for a Virginia-based nonprofit called the Leadership Institute.
The Leadership Institute was founded in the late ’70s to put young conservatives into prominent positions.
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com…..n-coulter/
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 81
Certain words trigger the anti-spam filters. When a comment gets hung up there, it has to wait till a mod frees it.
Lawsuit in outsourced U.S. war is moved out of court
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – After years of high-stakes legal wrangling, a lawsuit stemming from the gruesome deaths of four U.S. contractors in Iraq is moving behind closed doors in an action seen as an important precedent for the booming private security industry.
The suit, for wrongful death and fraud, was filed in January 2005 against Blackwater Security Consulting, one of scores of companies now fielding close to 130,000 civilians who work alongside the U.S. military in Iraq. Generally their contracts stipulate the contractors assume all risks — injury, death, disability — and waive their right to sue.
http://www.reuters.com/article…..geNumber=1
What I dislike about the left wing blogosphere is that all of our talk (mine too) adds up to a simple conclusion… violent revolution.
But of course no one ever talks about it. I’ll probably get my IP address tracked down just for mentioning it.
But the fact is, if you really believe that this government is fascist, and that the alternative party is just fascism light, and if you are really appalled by the ongoing war, why are you not organizing in cells to sabotage local military installations?
Are you preparing to storm the capital, and oppose the deep structural violence of American corporate fascism with counter violence?
Oh.
I didn’t think so.
Neither am I.
What that does to me, and to you, is to make us all marginalized little whiners, who fully understand the absolute evil represented by the current economic/political/ecological reality, but who in the end are hardly willing to do more than rant on blogs and mutter to our friends about the depth of our anger and alienation.
No, I don’t believe that peaceful demonstrations and blog comments and street demonstrations will make a difference.
No, I’m not planning to take up a gun against this government or its representatives (although if a recruiter ever tried to recruit my child, I might consider that armed robbery and consider all necessary means of self defense…)
No, I don’t believe that anything less than counter-violence would be effective in changing the course of this regime… and probably not even that.
Yes, I am a politically marginal human being, with my nose to the grindstone, feeding my children, and perhaps hoping that a combination of foreign governments and our own leadership’s stupidity will deliver the blow against the Bush led Republican/Democratic corporate power structure that I, from my suburban existence and comfortable job, am unwilling or too cowardly to deliver.
Oh, and to those of you who support your soldiers… sorry. Whatever their good motives, they made a terrible mistake in volunteering for this imperial army, and, although I hesitate to judge another parent, you made a mistake in educating them in a way that allowed them to consider service in an imperial army. They are not defending MY interests. I wish them speedy and safe return home, but I do not support them (they are after all morally responsible adults who have made a terrible choice) or their mission and neither should you. They’ve made their own deal with the devil. I hope he lets them off easy.
rwcole @ 22
I don’t like or dislike Richardson. He has an impressive resume. But, he has said some reckless things and gotten caught with multiple inaccuracies. He exaggerates and seems to be impulsive. All these qualities are death to a political campaign. He did not do well on MTP this morning. I think he might be able to offer up some good conversation in the debate, but is not suited for the ticket if the DEMs really want to win. Of course, another week like this one, and the DEMs won’t have to worry about that.
Thank you brendancalling (post 9), and your link to boomantribune.
Even in the Democratic Party one must follow the money trail to understand what has happened to the Democratic Party in the past twenty years.
When I read awhile back that one of the DLC leaders was a Christian Coalition Republican, I intuitively realized that the DLC was being used as a Republican wedge to undermine and sabotage the Democratic Party.
And when I learned that the DLC leadership tried to block Howard Dean from becoming head of the Democratic National Committee, this just buttressed this feeling that the DLC leadership are traitors to everything Democratic.
So, to now hear that the DLC feted Joe Lieberman at a gala fat-cat event, with a whole lot of corporate fat-cat moolah flowing into the DLC leadership’s pockets, well, this completes the picture.
Question: were any American Worker Labor Unions represented at this DLC/Lieberman bash?
Were the only labor union workers present the ones that were there serving the meal, filling the glasses and cleaning up afterward…if any?
Anyway, the DLC, in my view, is just a wing of the Republican Party that someone about two decades ago decided to use to subvert the Democratic Party, selling out to multinational corporate interests, in an attempt to undermine the Democratic Party’s traditional role as a defender of American workers and their families, as well as Democratic support of small businesses.
So, whenever I hear that the “Democratic Party” has failed to stop, or even slowdown, the Republican Party’s juggernaut of death and greed, like in the initial case of the Democratic Party not being able to get the minimum wage increase bill passed earlier this year, I know that the DLC members are running interference for the Republican Party and their nefarious, anti-American worker schemes.
In other words, the DLC are rubber-stamp Republicans just like the regular rubber-stamp Republicans.
So, for the real Democratic Party to return to it’s progressive, liberal roots, all the DLC “moles” must be exposed and told to take a hike…and go join the Republican Party, which they are de facto members of already, to all intents and purposes.
Enough is enough. Enough of the Republican lies. Enough of the DLC lies and liars…and Lie-bermans.
rwcole @ 22
With presidential candidates it’s hard to say whether this is true Leadership or desperation. In his case I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and say it’s Leadership. More power to him.
I’ll also add that he appears to be a real fighter. He’s not bowing out of this race and he’s getting his face on t.v. to be seen and heard and that’s half the battle of a political race on the national playing field.
He might eventually lose, but he’s gonna slug it out one way or the other. That’s character and tenacity.
Thers,
For some reason, reading the words of this Crittendon fellow talking about the value of sacrifice, I was suddenly appalled at the bloodthirsty self righteousness. Sacrifice HELL, these people are dead now and for something even more insubstantial than the Domino theory of Viet Nam.
What does “died in Vain” really mean? I think that part of the definition would include dying in a war instigated to satisfy the ego of a corrupt leader. I think this war would fit that definition.
If this sacrifice is so valuable, why not formalize it a little more? Build a huge monument inside a massive new GWB/Halliburton Stadium select a volunteer in some fashion and march them to the top of the monument, then kill them in some spectacular fashion.
You could sell tickets and fill the house. The better seats down in front could really get pricey. The concession contracts would be reserved for qualified cronies, try the haliburton hot dogs, the blackwater beer, or maybe the carlysle popcorn. And to top off the spectacle, everyone that attends will get on the list for a year to be the next sacrificee. This would blow American Idol off the stage. Like a band I knew used to say at the end of their set, “follow that” as they walked off stage.
Our Mr. Crittendon could have the tremendous honor of being the first to make that incredibly valuable sacrifice.
Each country could have their own program and each event would be judged to pick a winner of the war.
Apologies if anyone feels I got too graphic and I mean no disrespect to the fallen soldiers and their families but there’s got to be a better way.
Thanks for a terrific piece, Thers.
Sometimes things just ain’t teh funny.
Prof Bacevich words have been a shining light both before the invasion and after. He as well as many experts (Zbigniew Brezenski, Scott Ritter, Iaea’s El Baradei, Jimmy Carter, Flynt Leverett etc.) warned against the invasion and let us know then that the hell in Iraq taking place right now was completely predictable!
I am deeply sorry for his loss!
I so appreciate his willingness to speak truth to the Bush administrations unchecked power. Thank you Prof Bacevich. I will light a candle for your son every morning as I do for all of those both Iraqi and Americans who have lost their lives in this criminal, illegal and unnecessary war.
mike @ 91
Well, there is a place for violence in opposing the U.S. occupation of Iraq, and that place is Iraq. I, for one, think an occupied people have a legitimate right to use violence against an occupying army (a position, I readily admit, that will keep me from ever winning a seat in Congress).
Many American peace activists seem to have a hard time understanding that we’re the supporting actors in this drama. In the end, it is the resistance (both violent and nonviolent) of the people of Iraq that will end the occupation, not our protests here at home.
Which is not to say that protest is useless. If our efforts hasten the end of the war by a day, or a week, or a month, then we should do all we can. But let’s not act under the mistaken notion that it’s all on our shoulders, and so we’re justified in doing anything, including violence, to end the war.
Thanks Steve. Support for the military opposition to the U.S. occupation (at least rhetorically) is a given… but that runs you right into the reality that it is your neighbor and her sons who are serving. Granted, they made a terrible choice to serve as agents of an imperial occupation force, and I certainly don’t “support” them… but I don’t wish them to die either.
I don’t think our efforts and blogging and protests do shorten the war by even a day or a week, and so I raise the question whether we are not basically completely deluded and in failing to take more drastic action, complicit in the very things we denounce.
Hell I still pay my taxes. Don’t you? What kind of war opponent does that? No, I and most of us are completely compromised.