I wanted to discuss with former U.S. Deputy Attorney General James Comey the ethics of his pursuit of Jose Padilla, when Comey knew full well (and had even admitted) that Padilla’s “confessions” could never be used in a court of law. Comey’s behavior vis a vis the Padilla case, now being tried in Miami, raised many questions.
When arrested in 2002 Padilla was accused of planning to set off “dirty bombs.” Why, then, at a news conference on June 1, 2004, did Comey offer brand new charges against Padilla without ever explaining the reason for dropping the “dirty bomb” charges. According to the new charges, Padilla was to “locate high-rise apartment buildings that had natural gas supplied to all floor…rent two apartments in each buildings…seal those apartments, turn on the gas and set times to detonate and destroy the buildings simultaneously..”
All this information, Comey claimed, came directly from Padilla who had been deprived of counsel. Comey said he needed to keep Padilla away from lawyers for a very good reason.. “If I can’t credibly threaten criminal charges, no lawyer in the world is going to tell their client to talk to me, because a good lawyer would know what I’m sure Padilla’s lawyers knew, – that if you just clam up, they can’t do anything with this.”
Thus, in one sweep of his hand, James Comey, a seriously committed Republican, had decided that he – Comey– personally, didn’t need to follow the rules laid down by the Supreme Court in the Miranda decision .“… You have the right to speak to an attorney, and to have an attorney present during any questioning. If you cannot afford a lawyer, one will be provided for you at government expense.” (Emphasis added.)
Even if he resembles James Stewart in “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington,” does the Deputy Attorney General of the United States of America get to chose, when, if ever, Miranda is applicable to an American citizen?
A second question I had for Comey concerned his response to Bush’s secret monitoring of U.S. citizens. Comey stunned members of the House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee and the media on May 3, 2007 with his account of this political drama played out late at night in Attorney General John Ashcroft’s hospital room.
On the bed, lay the ill and medicated Ashcroft flanked by his Deputy Attorney General Comey and FBI Director Robert S. Mueller. On the other side White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card and then White House Counsel Alberto Gonzales lobbying a reluctant Ashcroft to give his permission to the President re-authorizing Bush’s secret monitoring program. Comey, as acting Attorney General while Ashcroft was ailing, had deep-sixed it, refused to sign off. There in the hospital room Comey held firm. Card got all bent out of shaped and ordered Comey go to the White House the next day for a one-on-one meeting with Bush. Comey refused unless he could have an independent witness to the meeting. No deal.
The next day Bush and Comey met and Comey let it be known that he, and Mueller, and others would resign en masse if the pressure continued. Bush backed down. But within a few months, the program resumed, without Justice Department approval. No one was the wiser.
Why didn’t Comey resign when he realized that the program of secret monitoring of U.S. citizens had resumed? Why didn’t he go public at that point? There most certainly was precedent. Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear…
Watergate: Attorney General Eliot Richardson appoints a “special prosecutor” Archibald Cox to investigate on behalf of the American people. Quickly Nixon orders Richardson to fire Cox. Richardson refuses Richardson personally handed in his resignation to the President. Chief of Staff Alexander Haig orders Deputy Attorney General William Ruckelshaus to fire Cox. Ruckelshaus publicly resigns. Cox insists on being fired and he is. Thus the Saturday Night Massacre was born. Now. Here were three men who did the right thing.
At his resignation speech Comey made murky and recondite remarks as quoted in a Newsweek story, Feb. 6, 2006.
Comey thanked "people who came to my office, or my home, or called my cell phone late at night, to quietly tell me when I was about to make a mistake; they were the people committed to getting it right—and to doing the right thing—whatever the price. These people," said Comey, "know who they are. Some of them did pay a price for their commitment to right, but they wouldn't have it any other way." (Emphasis added)
How did Comey’s reflection about “ doing the right thing—whatever the price” square with moving from the second highest post in the Department of Justice to being named Vice President & General Counsel of Lockheed Martin, a multi-billion dollar company that has paid just under $1 billion in fines for its criminal “national defense” work and, even now, is being investigated by the Justice Department?
Lockheed Martin is the same organization that can’t build boats that float for the Coast Guard, instead turning out boats that leak sea water and national security secrets. This $24 billion “Deepwater” fiasco has set new standards for incompetence, and triggered a Justice Department investigation of the joint venture of Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman, created specifically for the Deepwater job. The story was in all the papers and on 60 Minutes .
James M. Atkinson, an electronics engineer who specializes in the hunting of spies, was one of those who testified before the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure on Deepwater. Atkinson told legislators that the eight, 123-foot Coast Guard cutters, built at a cost of $34 million(please note corrected figure), not only can’t sail, but that if they tried, they would leak both sea water and national security secrets from their easily hi-jackable, pregnable communications systems.
The Coast Guard now claims it will seek damages from Lockheed Martin and Northrop Grumman for eight failed patrol boats amounting to $60-100 million. The entire Deepwater Project maybe $48 billion. (please note corrected figures) Atkinson minces no words about Lockheed Martin. He writes that essentially Lockheed Martin has confessed to being an on-going criminal enterprise with 80 additional criminal and civil cases, convictions (or admission of guilt) for fraud and related infractions .
Comey is taking home a million dollar plus salary, complete with bonuses and stock options. I guess he didn’t want to answer questions about any of his activities–not about Padilla, not about his limp protest to secret monitoring of U.S. citizens, not about his new position with the company in “deep water doo doo.” He declined my request for an interview.
“I don't think I've ever been so thrilled in my whole life, and that Lincoln Memorial! Gee Whiz! And Mr. Lincoln, there he is. He's just lookin' right straight at ya as you come up those steps. Just, just sitting there like he was waiting for somebody to come along.” – Mr. Smith
(please note two corrections in cost figures for the Deepwater Project in the last four paragraphs)
(With Rachel M. Koch)
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hi
fitz?
dos?
never was much good with spanish…
He didn’t resign because he’s a Republican.
Being a Republican means never having to say you’re sorry.
Bastards.
A couple a typo’s, ‘Has’ should be ‘Gas”.
Geez, I coulda got a zed!
But I stopped to read first.
Bob in HI
Thanks, Lew. I hope your post today will end any speculation that Comey is a worthy AG candidate to lead DoJ out of the wilderness. Not so much, methinks.
Well, thanks for this. The beatification of Comey was a bit much, and even though he did the right thing standing up to Card and Gonzo, clearly he was willing to use the white-out on parts of the constitution that were inconvenient to him.
Best to have some perspective, I think.
TeddySanFran @ 8
The situation has gotten so bad what with Gonzo and Rove’s minions that the nation turns its lonely eyes to Comey, searching for some semblance of lawful behavior.
Bob in HI
TeddySanFran @ 8
He just went up a few notches at the WH, though…
TeddySanFran @ 8
There’s no comparison in terms of integrity with
Richardson, Ruckelshaus and Cox, except for the fact that they’re lawyers. But then again, so was Scooter Libby.
All this information, Comey claimed, came directly from Padilla who had been deprived of counsel.
But this information is not part of the charges against him in the current trial, right? Didn’t the judge say that no evidence coming from direct interrogation of Padilla can be used against him?
Monica Goodling is taking a lot of well deserved criticism part of being attributed to the fact that she and others are graduates of Regent School of Law “a fourth tier school of law.” As if that changes anyone’s ethics. I don’t know but that Comey is a graduate of a “first tier” maybe Ivy League school of law. Either he learned nothing or what they teach is crapola. “Rule of law” indeed. Cf. Plato, “The Republic”, “Protagoras”, etc.
Just heard from a friends and relatives in Great Britain, France and Italy and their take on the American scene seems to be that the US has already become a banana republic. They wonder how the American people and their politicians are such rubes and so provincial.
Bustedknuckles – thanks, typo fixed … my bad.
jayt @ 13
Preciously! Those gas bombing charges were dropped when the Supreme Court made it clear they would dismiss the charges and free Padilla in his current situation. That’s when Comey et al changes the rules. They knew they would lose on gas bombing and they tried a new ball game, conspiracy.
Comey said he needed to keep Padilla away from lawyers for a very good reason..
’cause it might fuck up his conviction rate?
Pillar of justice – a beacon of light this guy is.
Which begs the question – how bad must Bush’s secret program have been to cause him to threaten to resign?
What “prestigious” schools of journalism did Katie Couric, Bryan Williams, Brit Hume, Tim Russert, Chris Wallace, David Gregory, et al attend. The only things these shill learned was how to make a buck.
Hi Lew,
Comey not looking too comely here.
jonerik @ 14
per wiki, William & Mary undergrad; UChicago Law
jayt @ 18
Perhaps Comey’s Jiminy Cricket slipped out for a moment or two — then later crushed, of course.
Lew Koch @ 12
The 3rd Reich had it’s share of supporters who were also attorney’s.
Bluetoe @ 15
In what way?
Atkinson told legislators that the eight, 123-foot Coast Guard cutters, built at a cost of $34 billion, not only can’t sail, but that if they tried, they would leak both sea water and national security secrets from their easily hi-jackable, pregnable communications systems.
So, does this have anything to do with this:
6 Navy Commanders Sacked in 6 Weeks…..
For the sixth time in as many weeks, the lead officer of a Navy ship has been suddenly relieved of command, DANGER ROOM pal Andy Scutro reports for Navy Times.The Norfolk grounding is especially odd given the well-charted waters,” Navy Times adds, in a second story. But it’s hardly the only strange incident in recent weeks. On May 10th, the captain of the USS Constitution — a 19th century warship, serving largely as a floating museum — was relieved, for unspecified “lost of trust and confidence.” Two days earlier, the Navy sacked the commanding officer of the destroyer Higgins for “loss of confidence in his ability to command.”
http://blog.wired.com/defense/…..ird_t.html
http://www.news.navy.mil/searc…..y_id=29265
Something doesn’t pass the smell test
The law can be twisted to support any ideology you want. The law is merely a tool to shape one’s view of a preferred reality.
Bluetoe at 19
The two best journalists I’ve known never went to journalism school — Sy Hersh, and Mike Royko (who didn’t even have a high school graduate) — which was one of the reasons were became friends — ’cause neither did I
After Comey famously said that the only thing worse than being despised by the progressive blogosphere is being idolized by it, he should be quite pleased with this post!
Bluetoe @ 15
that hurts
RockPaperScizzors @ 25
WOW! Great information!
OT-WTF is slunkmeat-witch Morgan doing on Tweety?
Oh, answered my own question…
@ 24
They see Americans as being far to moralistic when it comes to private matters i.e. Bill Clinton and willing to turn a blind eye to the corruption that money plays in the American political scene. They see Americans as being extremely passive and shallow. They also see far too many Americans under the spell of superstition and fundamentalist religiosity.
Lew — don’t forget who finally executed the final step by firing Archibald Cox in the Saturday Night Massacre: Robert Bork, then Solicitor General.
obsessed @
If you could source that for me and -e-mail it (address above) I’d really appreciate it.
The 3rd Reich had it’s share of supporters who were also attorney’s.
hey – careful now, with the generalized anti-lawyer stuff… unless you’ve got a good lawyer joke, which I’m always in favor of…
Bluetoe says
May 25th, 2007 at 4:56 pm
The law can be twisted to support any ideology you want. The law is merely a tool to shape one’s view of a preferred reality.
Well, there is that. But it can be done ethically.
Are we talking about principles?
OT: WAXMAN oversight hearing up on CSPAN 1
Mental health care for returning troops. from thursday
got two words fer ya:
alexander butterworth…
he was the guy who revealed the existence of the nixon taping system and necessitated the infamous 18-minute-gap.
the way he tells the story, he’s facing a congressional investigating committee, and he knows he has to answer if they ask the right question, and he knows what the queastion is, and he is dreading it, and he’s almost done when somebody–staffer, rep?–goes back to one of his earliest statements where he refers obliquely to the taping system, and he knows he’s gonna have to talk…
.
Bluetoe @ 32
Oh that! Wellll, yeah!
I have friend in France as well, near Switzerland, and still communicate with a family we stayed with while hitching across England. He is a professor at Bath University. I also have relatives in Norway & the Republic of Ireland (southern part). I was going to say none of them have yet to be so harsh as your first post came across. But I’ve always heard that about Americans being shallow; but, truth be told – the Irish I know say it about the British and our friends in Bath have been known to say it about everybody….so, what you can say. The religion thing is a biggie especially to our friends in France. We discuss the religion thing a lot because it seems to them to shape our politics far too much.
RockPaperScizzors @ 25
Could all of this be pre-coup manoevers? That is, taking out Navy brass who would resist orders from a whacko Commander in Chief?
Bob in HI
wgg: tokin lib’rul @ 38
The Butterfield (sp) worth is classic. The best single volumn (IMHO) is Nightmare — The Underside of the Nixon Years by J. Anthony Lukas . Out in 1973 but reads like it was today. Ummmm maybe…
At what point do we admit the US government has been completely destroyed from within by the Republican party and that the patient is beyond revival?
Phule @ 43 –
Check the June Harper’s for a roundup of “Undoing Bush.”
Excellent. No personality cult for Comey. Let’s not try to fit him for a halo just yet.
Phule @ 42
The point when Nancy Pelosi said that impeachment was off the table?
Bob in HI
Lou,
Thanks.
Is someone filing an ethics complaint against Comey to the applicable jurisdiction?
Bluetoe @ 15
Yeah, I’m kind of wondering that myself. Those of us who pay attention have always been in the minority (”nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public”) but the high crimes and misdemeanors of this administration are so egregiously, blatantly illegal that you’d have to be living under a rock and only watching Fox Noise to miss it.
Paul Krugman, in his op-ed for the NY Times, has been warning for years that Bush deliberately was attempting to turn this nation into a banana republic. I agree with your overseas friends: Bush succeeded. Perhaps his only success in office.
I think that human nature causes us to give way too much credit to those few rethugs who occasionally rediscover the stunted conscience at the shriveled core of their souls to make some manner of stand or another against shrubbish thuggery…. Comey, Ashcroft, Hagel, Specter, McCain, Norton, Whitman, O’Neill, Donaldson, whomever…. There’s some good in (almost) everybody, but by and large these are all complicit true believes in inhumane rethug ideals, even if they may on occasion disagree with the shrubbies on how best to realize those ideals. Scratch one of these morality-stricken rethugs and you still get a Rethug.
Comey’s no different. Apparently he draws the line somewhere between intimidating his critically sick boss and mentor into giving the president arbitrary power to spy on his political enemies and disappearing a native born American citizen from the streets and holding him incommunicado in a military facility under constant threat of torture…. this is sort of like a serial killer who finds dismembering the corpses of victims to be morally repugnant.
I remain displeased.
Lew Koch @ 43
that is not an article to give one confidence that the ruole of the busheviks can EVER be undone…pace, they mightn’t even be finished…
this whole thing is Ceasarian: they’ve risked the empire on on one cast of the die…they’re not gonna back off.,..
./
jayt@35, do you feel that Republican lawyers have ethics?
Looking at Olbermann.
no.
hmmmmm….. let me rephrase that.
HELL NO!
Carl Nyberg @ 47
There have been some very desultory attempts but no ethics complaints have gained any toe hold. This is probably because the complaints have to be filed with the local bar associations and they are stuffed with establishment lawyers who NEVER rock the boat, unless, of course, they’re looking into a case where the lawyers was found having relationships with a dead minor.
We have one thing left to influence the world. Nuclear weapons.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 56
the only thing against which nuclear weapons are a deterrent are…
wait for it…
other nuclear weapons…
Comey’s situation was different. Ashcroft was already gone. So was Mueller. The strength came from resignation in numbers. With Gonzales already in as AG and putting in their “own people”, Comey didn’t have that edge anymore. His resignation would have been a blip in one news cycle. (Even now, he has already dropped off the radar screen of the MSM – and Gonzales is still there).
When Richardson et. al. resigned, they did not know for a certainty that whoever replaced them would be a “yes man” for the president. Comey KNEW that resigning would not STOP but rather ENABLE Gonzales and his minions to proceed without any oversight.
Once it became apparent that Gonzales was re-designing the powers/duties to lessen Comey’s effectiveness, he probably thought there was no point in staying.
If you have ever worked, personally as I have, in a job that you absolutely loved, and then had a new manager arrive with questionable ethics and the personality of a … – sometimes you feel you really, really have to at least try to fight for your job and to maintain the company. I was fortunate that the toad left ours, but Gonzo wasn’t going anywhere at the time Comey resigned and maybe not even now. Maybe he left because he didn’t want to be associated with the crooks and realized he was losing his power to have some positive countereffect.
I don’t feel entirely comfortable with the Padilla issue either, but I just don’t see Comey as the black horse you are trying to make him out to be.
The titular front runner of my party for the Democratic nomination for prez… is a jerk.
How did Comey’s reflection about “ doing the right thing—whatever the price” square with moving from the second highest post in the Department of Justice to being named Vice President & General Counsel of Lockheed Martin, a multi-billion dollar company that has paid just under $1 billion in fines for its criminal “national defense” work and ,even now, is being investigated by the Justice Department?
Ummm, that would be the same Justice Dept that Comey just left, no? Ya think he might still know a person or two there? Nah, me either. I’m sure that he’s quite an expert in all of the high-tech products that LH is in the business of selling.
Moving direct from DOJ to a compnay being actively investigated by DOJ (if such a thing is possible in Abu-land) reeks. Legally, he must stay away from the issue – build a Chinese wall. As to the probability of that happening – well, you did say he’s getting $1 million per year, right?
Right.
all these things occur when there’s no oversite in congress – bushco has been allowed to run roughshod over us and tho dems technically control the congress they’ve been outmatched on every turn – last week is a great case in my mind. and bushco being a bullyboy its his way or the highway – see all generals littering the highways… who dare question bullyboy.. but i’m waiting to see if dems show any spine – they say september will tell the story hmm i’m skeptical – i’m getting my shoes and cane in gear….
G Wiz @ 58
i wish we could get beyond our desire to see people as either one of the good guys – or one of the bad guys.
a person can act with great courage to do the right thing, and the very same day do something really horrible…. and all kinds of things in between.
life isn’t a western where we can tell the good guys from the bad guys by the color of the hat they wear.
I wish to dissent in Mr. Comey’s favor.
As a former Gooper, I believed the only way to ‘fix’ a broken system (governmental or private) was from within – the idea of stepping outside the governmental system, for instance, to vocalize external criticism in order to force change is tantamount to rejecting (revolting against) America – it was pratically unthinkable.
I believe – to his credit – Mr. Comey hung in there as long as he could, fighting the good fight on behalf of the ’system’ that has served us so well for the last 230 years – until it became clear that ‘the fish had rotted at the head’ and all established pathways of redress had been choked-off by the BushCo Beast.
He may have been a driven prosecutor in the GWOT, and perhaps amongst the most zealous, but I’ll bet he cried a river the day he realized our America had been hijacked.
We have common ground.
okay, folks, i’m gonna boo-jie…
it’s been fun
if margo’s around, i’d love to tell once-upon-a-time santa fe stories…email me at my blog
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G Wiz @ 58
I had the same exact experience at NBC News Chicago. The news director and station manager were saint when it came to the pursuit of journalism. When they retired, they were replaced by thugs. I fought the good fight (I was shop steward) but these were guys trained by General Electric on how to bust the union. They handed me my head. As for your point on Padilla, I have and will continue to make the point that this was a near psychotic wanna-be with a juvenile police record for murder. Padilla, a sanity hearing might find is..crazy. Comey with his extraordinary education should have know they when you lie down with pigs, you come up smelling.
Um, you probably already have this, but Fitzgerald has recommended a sentence for Libby
And here’s the nytimes link
I think everyone was ready to canonize Comey because we’re so desperate for truth. It has been 6 years of lies and spin. To finally have someone reveal the ugly truth of this administration was like being given oxygen.
OT-I just saw a clip of Bush today. He does not look good. I think he is finally realizing that no one’s able to bail him out of the mess he’s made. Every other time someone came to the rescue and saved him. (Which, now that I think of it, would make me a strong believer in divine intervention, too. Screw up beyond belief, pray, next day someone comes and saves him).
Anyway, no smirk, kind of somber.
yeah fitz recommends 21/2-3 years fro the scrub
THANK YOU, Lewis Koch!
Bluetoe @ 52
jayt@35, do you feel that Republican lawyers have ethics?
Not to dodge your question, but I assume that you’re thinking about republican lawyers who make decisions having national impact, or working at cases/projects which affect us all. I’m just a crim defense guy, working at the State level in Indiana. So I’m probably not qualified to answer what I think you’re asking. My world revolves around making sure that individuals get the representation to which they’re constitutionally entitled.
But on a gut level, I would say that to the extent those upper-echelon guys have ethics, they’re fairly pliable. Balance that against the fact that once a lawyer takes a case, he/she is ethically bound to represent the client with all the vigor that can be mustered. I think that the question of ethics is most apparent in an examination of the cases and issues which they choose to accept.
This is one Democrat, who as far as I can tell, has been a Democrat longer than you have Hillary, is not being fooled by your baloney.
egregious @ 66
Does anyone have the link to the full doc? Nolo posted some facinating exerpts at her place and here, but I can’t find the full doc. It’s not yet up at the Special Counsel Website. I am dying to see it. The exerpts seem to make it clear that Fitz is all but calling Cheney a crook.
And for the record:
FITZ!!!!
JUSTICE!!!!
egregious @ 72
And for the record:
FITZ!!!!
JUSTICE!!!!
the record will so reflect.
radiofreewill at 5:33 p.m. I think your apologia for Comey begs the discussion of the Padilla case in Koch’s post. And let’s not forget the important role Mr. Comey had in the writing of the Patriot Act.
My comment is awaiting moderation.
Did you guys already talk about the Libby sentence, I’ve alas been offblog for some time :)
Oh my Lord. What to do?
egregious @ 75
Had a whole thread about it this morning (but that was before the Fitz memo came out)
Lew, I luv ya — but this is too far on Comey. What you don’t say is that he had spent his professional life prior to this building the nation’s first anti-terrorism task force in the SDNY, that all of them feared more than anything that a failure to capture a terrorist who posed a credible threat to the US would result in mass deaths, and that all of this on Padilla came up in the aftermath of 9/11, when the emotions were still running high.
It doesn’t excuse a bad decision — not in the least — but telling only one side of the story on this is patently unfair. I’ve had to make charging decisions in difficult cases where there was a threat of violence and potential other threats hanging in the balance and it is far from easy. I don’t come close to some personality cult on Comey (he’s far to conservative in the traditional sense of the word for my politics) and there are a number of legitimate criticisms that should be made here on the Padilla decisions — Mary has made a lot of the legal ones very well — but the portrait you paint is not fully colored in, and the blanks that are left open here are important ones as well.
Ask looseheadprop sometime about Comey — she worked with him in SDNY, and could give you a little background — although not a lot, given the subect matter that the folks in NYC dealt with on counterterrorism. One of the worst things about having been a prosecutor is that you are required to take some secrets, very dark and very painful secrets, with you to the grave because grand jury secrecy is inviolate. I know enough about some of the public record information to know that it wasn’t pretty. Imagine knowing all of that and then having your worst nightmares come true, and then being faced with an administration that is willing to lie to your face to get you to do what they want — something that you would never have thought they would do, and you begin to see where Comey went down the wrong path on this.
No excuse for not standing up for the Constitution. But not exactly the black and white portrait of Comey that you paint above either. Sorry, but having had to make that lifetime incarceration choice or that “hold the guy another 24 hours, or risk him slitting his wife’s throat” choice — even with the risks of the information that I was told being wrong in some cases, the public safety concern for the prosecutor is always the paramount concern, balanced always against the constitutional and civil rights considerations.
Comey fucked this one up — no question. But then, I’ve done that myself a time or two and I would hope that the whole of my career, and not just the mistake or two made, would define me. I would hope that would go for Comey as well, who has to carry some information under penalty of criminal sanction for disclosure of classified information on top of everything else.
Does this ring a bell?
Soon after the outing of Valerie Plame, didn’t Preznit Bush say that they would conduct a rigourous investigation, and if anyone on his staff was found to have leaked Plame’s identity to the press, he’d fire them? Well, we know how that turned out (NOT).
There are parallels with Padilla, in that Bush doesn’t blame his minions, but instead retreats into the amorphous “mistakes were made” blather.
later in the article:
Oh, please God no! No recess! We know what Bush will do!
Sorry if this is OT.
Bob in HI
Oklahoma kiddo @ 78
Perhaps making at least a token effort to address the topic of the thread would help.
TeddySanFran @ 33
Teddy,
I can’t believe I’m doing this but in defense of Bork, the story has always been that Richardson and Ruckelshaus convinced him to NOT resign with them, as he was willing to do but to stay so that there would be SOME contiuity in DoJ and someone to slow Nixon’s worst excesses that would have been unchecked otherwise.
RBG @ 82
Oh… so that’s it. RBG. Gee.
Selise @ 62 – precisely!
G Wiz @ 58
Thank GOD! I was beginning to think I had stepped into a parrallel universe.
BTW Lew, basic fact check, and you really can get this quite easily by reading the transcript.
Comey was not called in to see Andy Card the next day. Card called him while Comey was still in the hospital that night and ordered him to the WH THAT NIGHT. Comey had to get Olsen out of a dinner party to meet with him at DOJ and they travelled together to the WH at 11PM That same night.
You have also taken the quotes about not having leverage if you can;t threaten a criminal prosecution, completely out of context.
And you know it. This is shabby
Christy at 77
Thank you. I was trying to draft a similar response and you did it for me, 100 times better than I ever could.
Also I think we should be careful in making assumptions about people because of how much money they make as some people above have done. So what, Comey makes $1,000,000. He also spent more than 20 years ridiculously underpaid and stunningly overworked, as do most prosecutors. If someone on this site made similar stereotypical assumptions about someone who made, say, $10,000, they would be pummeled, and rightly so.
jayt @ 60
Which is less than 1/2 what he would make if he went to a major law firm.
This thread is remarkably long on character assasination and remarkably short on facts.
Correction, somebody upthread correctly listed his educational history.
Thank you. Facts are our friends
How about this. If Comey is not to be admired, where does that leave Fitzgerald?
obsessed @ 28
Yeah. He probably was really insulted that Bush referred to him as “Cuomo” after the hospital incident.
Bob Schacht @ 39
Could all of this be pre-coup manoevers? That is, taking out Navy brass who would resist orders from a whacko Commander in Chief?
The Plot Thickens:
USS JOHN C. STENNIS, At Sea (NNS) — The USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) and USS Nimitz (CVN 68) Carrier Strike Groups and USS Bonhomme Richard (LHD 6) Expeditionary Strike Group entered the Persian Gulf May 23.
While operating in the Persian Gulf, the carriers and amphibious strike groups and their associated forces will conduct missions in direct support of Operation Iraqi Freedom and will also perform Expeditionary Strike Force (ESF) training.
This marks the first time the Stennis (JCS), Nimitz (NIM) and Bonhomme Richard (BHR) strike groups have operated together in combined training while deployed to the U.S. Navy’s 5th Fleet. In March, Stennis and the USS Eisenhower Carrier Strike Group conducted a dual-carrier exercise in the Persian Gulf.
http://www.news.navy.mil/searc…..y_id=29585
And I believe the question of why Cheney visited the Middle East under the guise of public relations photo op never did swim considering he could give a rats ass about anything other than Haliburtons profit margin:
Vice President Visits USS John C. Stennis
USS JOHN C. STENNIS, At Sea (NNS) — Vice President Dick Cheney visited the aircraft carrier USS John C. Stennis (CVN 74) while underway in the Persian Gulf to meet with more than 5,000 Sailors and Marines on May 11.
Cheney’s visit to Stennis came during his visit to the Middle …
http://www.news.navy.mil/local/cusnc/
egregious @ 76
Eg TNH has two post from MArcy and a link to the PDF
Oklahoma kiddo @ 88
I don’t understand the question. What has one thing to do with the ohter?
Do you mean that because they are friends if you do not admire one, you cannot admire the other?
Christy,
Just read your comment. Thank you.
And for the record, I spoke to SIUN on the phone over a week ago and told her she could give my personal inofrmation to Lew and that I would be happy to talk to him and help him have a full set of ACCURATE facts fromwhich to write whatever he chose.
Obviously, since he did not contact me, he chose not to haver access to that information
looseheadprop @ 93
That is not all what I mean. Do you desire further explanation?
So now the real Comey emerges. So what was that round of applause at the House all about?
I really think that Selise’s comment about giving up the white hat/black hat thinking is key here.
Clearly, all prosecutors make some very tough calls – and I wouldn’t want that responsibility. At the same time, avoiding basic rights seems to me to be over the line … no miranda, etc …
it’s a very scary part of what’s been happening. Our willingness to junk the basics of the rule of law …that scares me. We managed quite well to prosecute the first World Trade folks, the OK bomber and more …
yet suddenly, all the basics of our legal system are out the window.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 95
Absolutely, It went right over my head. AM I being a dunce?
LHP – I did not have a chance to make that connection for Lew and I am sorry … but please do not blame Lew for that … it is my fault.
FYI, new thread
Jane has a new thread upstairs.
New thread upstairs
“Even if he resembles James Steward in “Mr. Smith Goes to Washington,” does the Deputy Attorney General of the United States of America get to chose, when, if ever, Miranda is applicable to an American citizen?”
So, as best as I can figure from the Comey defenders, A) this was a Comey screw-up, and B) Comey had “inside, secret” info which, if true, meant that Padilla was an immenent threat…thus he needed to be isolated?
Well, what “inside, secret” info did Comey have? Or maybe that’s still secret. Has Comey himself ever stated that he did this to Padilla because he had, at the time, “inside, secret” info?
I’m very, very troubled here. And Ms. Smith, with all due respect, Comey’s actions seem to fly right in the face of your fine writings on the value of habeas. In fact, Comey’s actions seem to prove the very need for habeas.
Ghostman
Which is less than 1/2 what he would make if he went to a major law firm.
This thread is remarkably long on character assasination and remarkably short on facts.
Correction, somebody upthread correctly listed his educational history.
Thank you. Facts are our friends
With all due respect lhp, does it not bother you that he went to a firm being actively investigated by the Dept he just left? We rail against our elected representatives going to work as high-paid lobbyists – and this, to me, has a similar smell. How much value does a attorney bring, as General Counsel, who must recuse himself from the most important legal issues facing his new company?
I’ll take your word on the salary issue – that’s not an area where I have personal knowledge.
And I find it hard to believe that a man so high at Justice could be blissfully unaware of the conditions from which Padilla’s “admissions” were extracted.
I have enormous respect for you and Christy as well, and value your opinion of Comey as a generally good man, but these two situations, to the extent true as presented, bother me greatly.
it does look to me, given the very incomplete info i have, that comey did something very, very wrong when padilla was deprived of – not just of his due process rights, but also his human rights.
the wrong that was done in the padilla case wasn’t done to just padilla, it was done to ALL of us.
because all of us are now a little less safe – from our own goverment.
and i haven’t seen comey make any attempt at making amends for that. so, if it’s true, i still hold that against him.
on the other hand, it looks to me (again from my limited info) that comey acted with real courage to face down gonzales, card and probably cheney, addington and bush. i really admire what he did.
i do not find these two things to be impossibly inconsistent.
Ghostman at 103 — Did you miss the part where I said Comey fucked this up? Or the part where I said that Mary had done a lot of great legal analysis on how and why in the comments here? Because I’m certain that was in my comment.
Ms. Smith: ok, he screwed up all the way around. Has he ever apologized, I wonder?
Ghostman
Is it possible that Cheney is undermining Bush and prepping a little Coup de’tat as the Navy moves into the Persian Gulf?
May 24, 2007
Cheney Attempting to Constrain Bush’s Choices on Iran Conflict: Staff Engaged in Insubordination Against President Bush…There is a race currently underway between different flanks of the administration to determine the future course of US-Iran policy.
…Multiple sources have reported that a senior aide on Vice President Cheney’s national security team has been meeting with policy hands of the American Enterprise Institute, one other think tank, and more than one national security consulting house and explicitly stating that Vice President Cheney does not support President Bush’s tack towards Condoleezza Rice’s diplomatic efforts and fears that the President is taking diplomacy with Iran too seriously.
This White House official has stated to several Washington insiders that Cheney is planning to deploy an “end run strategy” around the President if he and his team lose the policy argument.
http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..002145.php
And then you have Cheney’s righthand man Libby, who deliberately destroys Valerie Plame’s career with the added bonus of Joe Wilson and the media believing it was about him and not her:
According to current and former intelligence officials, Plame Wilson, who worked on the clandestine side of the CIA in the Directorate of Operations as a non-official cover (NOC) officer, was part of an operation tracking distribution and acquisition of weapons of mass destruction technology to and from Iran.
Speaking under strict confidentiality, intelligence officials revealed heretofore unreported elements of Plame’s work. Their accounts suggest that Plame’s outing was more serious than has previously been reported and carries grave implications for U.S. national security and its ability to monitor Iran’s burgeoning nuclear program.
http://rawstory.com/news/2005/….._0213.html
This is not a Robert Ludlum or Tom Clancy novel yet………
jayt at 104 — You know, I came back downstairs just to check and be certain we weren’t having any tech issues before I crawled in bed, and really hadn’t meant to weigh into the comments at all. But I couldn’t let the fact that there were other facts not included in this pass — because, frankly, that would have been wrong of me to take the coward’s way out and shut the computer.
Far too often, as selise said above, people do look at folks in politics as good or evil, black or white. But it is never that simple. And, in terms of the company, when you are facing enormous legal difficulties — perhaps because you formerly had someone unethical in that position who gave you very bad advice — you bring in someone who is well-qualified to not only tell you what you did wrong, but to dig in and help you fix it. If you were facing government corruption issues, the first attorney to whom you would turn is one with a stellar reputation for nailing people with those very issues — because that attorney could tell you what you are doing wrong and why. That’s what I would do in those shoes — it’s actually a lucrative practice niche at the moment, according to something I was reading in the ABA journal not too long ago. So many companies during the first Bush term took things too far, and they are trying to pull back the excess now that Dems are doing oversight in Congress by hiring attorneys who would have been allowed to actually prosecute their wrongdoing in a prior administration, but who have been sidelined quite a bit by the Bushies.
Ghostman @ 107
Yes, he did [ublicly in tat same cerimonial courtroom I was sitting in earlier this week. I front a room that held 200 of his peers.
Not such an easy thing to do.
Oh, and he asked that anyone in that room who had an idea of how he could fix it should call him direct and he gave out is direct dial phone #.
I spent a week pondering it and could not think up a solution.
So, blame me too.
Ghostman at 107 — I don’t know. Comey is notoriously reticent with reporters, and I just don’t know whether he has or not. But we have someone from the ACLU coming for Book Salon on Sunday, and he might have a much better handle on that than I — they’ve played some role in the defense on the case, I believe, and he might be able to better answer that one.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 109
Thank you Christy. You are doing a much better job of explaining this than I am
Christy Hardin Smith @ 80
Thank you Redd for another gracious and astute comment professionally and personally. Mr. Comey is fortunate indeed and as an experienced career prosecutor he may yet prove invaluable when and if the Bush/Cheney criminal cartel implodes. Despite my mixed feelings about the University of Chicago they enjoy a long and distinquished law school reputation that Smirky’s gang couldn’t buy their way in for admission.
Christy @ 79.
I take what you’ve said with enormous respect. Thank you. There are many sides to the man. There are those who will say I’ve not looked at the nuances in Comey’s life. And your letter brings those issues to life. Comey may not have easily made the decision he did in Padilla, but he did make it. He stood there in front of the press and said, in essence, Miranda doesn’t apply to this American citizen. He had the choice, just as Cox, and Ruckeleshaus and Richardson had choices. Perhaps Padilla is not as significant as suppressing Presidential tapes. But as we’ve seen, it’s a slippery slope. I understand the argument that I’m not privy to what all the SDNY has had to deal with but my experience has been that I — and the people can handle whatever dark secrets lay beneath the surface. It becomes a “if you only knew what I knew…” But I think there comes a time to come down on the side of full and complete information. I think I — and the public — can handle “the truth.” Yes my piece was not nuanced. I made a draw on the facts in these narrow issues as I saw them. It most certainly isn’t the whole story of the man. It concentrates on his involvement with Padilla and a certain image that I felt wasn’t justified. Perhaps as jayt @ 60 says Comey could have made more with a law firm and made more money. But Comey is now easily making five times what he made before and the record of Lockheed Martin is, well, less than pretty.
Siun @ 96
me too. a lot.
I’ve been reading about Comey and Fitzgerald on this blog since some guy with the handle “me” was sure Patrick Fitzgerald could turn water into wine. Since then many people smarter than “me” have built them up as having the best legal chops of their generation. My problem with them comes down to the idea that where much is given much is also expected.
Both Fitzgerald and Comey seem to have tried to find the “middle way” in our current political climate rather than fight for what was right with might and main. Comey went over the line with Padilla but drew the line on warrantless wiretapping. Fitzgerald indicted Libby after he handcuffed himself to the fence, but let his co-conspiritors skate. The problem is that we are dealing with absolutely cynical fascists on one side and justice on the other. If you try to split the difference between the two you do not have a happy outcome.
Comey, and I believe Fitzgerald also, were worried that if they pushed too hard against the administration they would be perceived as “too far to the left” and that this would be bad for their careers. When the history of these times is written they will come off better than many, but heroic material they are not.
Oklahoma kiddo @
Fitzgerald — a true professional. Ask the people of Illinois
I wonder what Bush’s big plans for Memorial Day Weekend could be:
Nine U.S. warships in Gulf for show of force
Wed May 23, 2007 8:41AM EDT
By Mohammed Abbas
ABOARD USS JOHN C. STENNIS (Reuters) – The largest daytime assembly of U.S. warships in the Gulf since the 2003 Iraq war prepared on Wednesday to hold drills off Iran’s coast in a major U.S. show of force that unnerved oil markets…..
http://www.reuters.com/article…..geNumber=1
U.S. Navy officials said Iran was not notified of plans to sail nine ships, including two aircraft carriers, through the Straits of Hormuz, a narrow channel in international waters off Iran’s coast and a major artery for global oil shipments……
Lew at 114 — Well, personally, I tend to be a “more sunshine” on governmental secrets person, myself. But a lot of the counter-terrorism stuff can’t be discussed because of source and method exposure and ongoing investigation stuff and the like…and I can understand theneed for that, having worked with DEA folks who do undercoverwork. And having seen what Joe and Valerie Wilson had to go through, even the little bit that I got to see as someone who only got to know them through covering the case — I can only imagine how much of a scramble all of that had to be for Valerie and her CIA counterparts when she got outed.
But, you are right, it is a very slippery slope. In a much better government, once they realized that a mistake had been made, it would have been corrected. But in the current adminitration, which couldn’t recognize a mistake if it bit them square on the ass, we all know that isn’t going to happen. It’s a mess, and one that I fear will get no better until the whole fetid Administration is out of office and someone new can go in with a whole lot of disinfectant. SIGH
But I completely see your point on sunshine. It is why Sy Hersh’s work the last few years has been so invaluable, because ithas given us such a disgusting peek beneath the festering mess under the Bush curtain.
perhaps because you formerly had someone unethical in that position who gave you very bad advice — you bring in someone who is well-qualified to not only tell you what you did wrong, but to dig in and help you fix it. If you were facing government corruption issues, the first attorney to whom you would turn is one with a stellar reputation for nailing people with those very issues — because that attorney could tell you what you are doing wrong and why. That’s what I would do in those shoes —
good argument.
Still a ticklish Chinese Wall problem, but manageable, I suppose. I just get furious when presented with what appears to be a set of facts indicating unethical, unconstitutional treatment of defendants (and that this defendant is a U.S. citizen). Still, indeed no one is perfect, we all screw up, and I hope that this incident was the very much the exception more than the rule, with Mr. Comey.
Have a good evening and weekend.
For LHP: lets bounce.
Well alright.
After all is said and done all we have is Libby for Fitzgerald’s efforts.
But getting to your query:
“Why, then, at a news conference on June 1, 2004, did Comey offer brand new charges against Padilla without ever explaining the reason for dropping the “dirty bomb” charges.”
“Comey claimed, came directly from Padilla who had been deprived of counsel. Comey said he needed to keep Padilla away from lawyers for a very good reason..”
“Thus, in one sweep of his hand, James Comey, a seriously committed Republican, had decided that he – Comey– personally, didn’t need to follow the rules laid down by the Supreme Court in the Miranda decision .“
“The next day Bush and Comey met and Comey let it be known that he, and Mueller, and others would resign en masse if the pressure continued. Bush backed down. But within a few months, the program resumed, without Justice Department approval. No one was the wiser.’
“Why didn’t Comey resign when he realized that the program of secret monitoring of U.S. citizens had resumed? Why didn’t he go public at that point? There most certainly was precedent.”
“Comey is taking home a million dollar plus salary, complete with bonuses and stock options. I guess he didn’t want to answer questions about any of his activities–not about Padilla, not about his limp protest to secret monitoring of U.S. citizens, not about his new position with the company in “deep water doo doo.” He declined my request for an interview.”
And this is the man who appointed Fitzgerald? And what we have to show for all this is some third rate flunky, named Libby.
Lew Koch @ 117
Oh yes. We got Libby.
I am quoting Comey, maybe not verbatim, but he said that the one thing worse than being hated by the left wing is being idolized by the left wing. Somethng tells me Mr. Comey is going to be getting a little taste of both.
OTOH if we are looking for perfect heroes, without faults of any kind, we can always rent the DVD of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington.
Oh, by the way, in real life, Jimmy Stewart was close to Neanderthalic in his conservative politics.
There is a Judge in Cook County,Patrick Murphy who for three decades was the Cook County Public Defender. Patrick made a living hell for the Illinois Department of Children and Family Services, suing to close the prisons, winning Supreme Court decisions on allowing natural fathers a right to be considered for sole parenthood. I could go on and on. He finally moved on, once he established a family. He move to the not well paid job of Cook Country Circuit Court Judge — which doesn’t pay all that much. (The lowest of six figures.) But among all the corrupt and bribe-able judges in Cook County, there is Patrick Murphy. That has been the “image” I hold in my (admittedly) unrealistic mind. Look, even I don’t measure up to my standards and that’s my hypocrisy. But, there its is.
RockPaperScizzors @ 108
This is an important point that has received no coverage in the MSM. The Plame outing had nothing to do with Wilson, oh sure he was a thorn but the real target was Valerie Plame herself. She stood in the way of Cheney’s further plans for the Middle East. The fact she was working on WMD proliferation should have had “journalists” hair on fire on the implications. Of course the media took the course of least resistance.
dreamcatcher @ 122
Amen.
We in this house are not in the least impressed with Fitzgerald.
Doesn’t it strike anyone as odd that Fitzgerald didn’t call Rove or Cheney?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 127
Why would he? He had a winnable case the way he laid it out. Why muck up his case?
OKK at 126 — No, strategically that would have been a nightmare. Cheney would have been a smarmy liar on the stand and he would have wrecked Fitzgerald’s case — and Bush is a sarcastic idiot. Why in the hell would any thinking person want either of them on the stand if they didn’t have to use them? Honestly, think about it for a moment: if you wanted to secure a conviction, would you in your right mind put Dick Cheney on the stand and depend on him to be honest and tell the whole truth? Jeebus…
Christy @ 118
Yes, it canbe a close call. Look I studied with a man named Herman Kahn, much vilified as the man who brought you World War Three. His book, “On Thermonuclear War,” I would argue did more to prevent it than any single man in history. Herman used to say that the “life cycle of a secret is about eighteen months, max.” What we know, they know eighteen or fewer months. I think there are very, very few secrets that have a reason for being. Our “good guys” know it. The “bad guys” know we know it. And the dance continues while we — the American citizen — sits on the side line, not even allowed to listen to the music. I’m an adult (or at least act like one on occasion.) I do not need, nor want a father figure to help me decided what I need and do not need to know. And yes, there are exceptions to that –and you’ve cited them.
Am I to think the GOP is unhappy that the only one who got ensnared was Libby? Give me a break.
looseheadprop @ 129
Well that would be a viable conclusion if Libby was the only concern.
Christy Hardin Smith @ 130
I would have loved to have had Cheney and Rove on the stand. To condradict each other and Libby. You’ve got two non lawyers (Cheney and Rove) and a character (Rove) who couldn’t even finish college after how many years? And did Libby flip?
Perhaps Fitzgerald laid his case out wrong.
The whole thing is fine, as long as all you wanted was Libby. But Libby was hardly the mastermind.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 133
Libby was the only defendant in the case. You are only supposed to bring cases that you reasonably hope to win, and then you are supposed to craft you presentation the maximize the liklihood of actually winning
Well I’ll weigh in too.
I’m not judging the person, but rather the actions. Before George W. Bush was president, I think you had an awfully good resume for Comey.
But after 9/11 you had his “immaculate confession” investigation of the Higazy confession. I understand how that confession could have happened, but not the later white wash that said all the tactics were fine and hunky dory.
Then you have the original Padilla situation. With Bush having determined he was taking Padilla one way or the other, I’m not really going to say Comey did anything “wrong” in how that was handled. All he could do was resign and make a stink and it was a very difficult time and I’m guessing he thought Padilla would be taken into a back room, roughed up, information had, and then that would be that. I’m hoping he wasn’t so depraved that he really understood what would be done to Padilla, not over days, or weeks, or months, but years. Still – I don’t think he looks good in the situation but you can understand how it happened. You add Higazy and its not looking just lovely though.
Then he goes to Main Justice. First thing up is the leak and I’m pretty alone here, but I don’t think or buy that the Fitzgerald appointment was such a wonderful thing. I DO think Fitzgerald did a pretty impeccable job. But go back and look at the actual situation at the time. We had an election year coming up. It was coming out that Bush had sold a pack of lies on the war. Rumors were out of renditions, torture and the abandonment of Geneva COnventions. GITMO was being blatantly framed as our own Garden of The Disappeared – deliberately set up by DOJ to avoid reach of any law – to be able to torture and abuse with a DOJ approval stamp. People were unhappy and then a CIA agent is outed. Bush was promising he would take action. Fleischer then McClellan were spinning the “we don’t know nuthin” wheel.
Dems had not yet received their 2004 trouncing. Even Republican members of COngress – even Joe Lieberman for gosh sakes – were lining up to demand either Congressional investigations or Independent Counsel. COmey walks in and seemingly finds out a) Ashcroft has been demanding updates on the investigation, including the info that investigators think Ashcrofts fundraiser – Rove – is lying; b) Armitage is one leaker and Novak had two; and c) investigators think Rove and Libby are liars. Congress is clamoring – an election is in the offing. I don’t think the appointment of Fitzgerald was some bright shining altruistic moment. I think it was a lawyer getting the best deal he could for his clients (Ashcroft and BUsh). Comey refused to use the outside Spec Counsel regulations and appoint outside – so the obligations of those regs to make Congressional reports if there were significant disputes between the AG and Spec COun were out. Using an in house approach – the mandate given to Fitzgerald was very narrow – so narrow he apparently had to ask for confirmation that he had the powers provided in the outside counselregs to investigate perjury, obstruction, etc. that occured in the investigation. Bush got an incredibly long freebie during which people could forget the case, obfuscate it, and definitely bury his promise to fire those involved. On and on – anyway – despite being unwillingly impressed with what a good legal job Fitzgerald did; I still think Comey served two people, Ashcroft and Bush, in his approach. Not a nation.
But disagree with that too and he’s not looking too bad – although each and every day as the months go by – he’s got that man being tortured and isolated in a blackhole on his record. Then comes the Ashcroft hospital show down. I’m not going to go into it here bc it takes too long – but I’m really not all that sure it was a COnsitutional show down. I really tend to believe you had issues of FISA court orders and requirements and the possiblity of personal liabilities for certifications under penalty of perjury lurking – but that’s all spec and so let’s drop that too.
Still, you now have Comey from his own sources in NY/counterterroism etc. getting more and more info. He know that the arrest warrant was based on torture by now. He knows Zubaydah was nuts as well as not a hugely important cog by now – he knows how thin and coerced any and everything involving Padilla is by now. He probably has or has heard of the Pentagon May review that finds Padilla and the other detainee in So Car are being held under conditions that breach Geneva COnventions and he knows that the SUp Ct is getting ready to rule on his case – his original agreement to disappear Padilla into blackhole detention. He knows the Second Cir has said it should never have happened and has ordered Padilla’s release, but DOJ has danced and dodged and now the SUp Ct is about to rule and after Hamdi – it doesn’t look good.
So he hold that obscene press conference in June, where he gushes about the the wonders and joys of President Bush and his incredible magic detention/torture powers. He slickly sets up that he is giving info gleaned through this “thorough review” of all kinds of departments that he lists, then he proceeds to paint the most misleading and false picture that he could. He never mentions the torture of ZUbaydah, he builds Padilla into a monstrous threat and omits that he thought he could duplicate nuclear centrifuge by swinging a bucket over his head. He omits that Zubaydah is crazy and when asked about GEneva COnventions – and with the Pentagon review that says they are being violated signed out the previous month – he gives his Stewart “aw shucks ma’am” and says you’ll have to get details from Donny over at DOD.
It was appalling IMO. Morally, factually, legally, ethically and as just plain right v. wrong.
looseheadprop @ 137
Some might argue that the problem was that Libby was the only def. This has been lively, and I appreciate meaty discussions like this. Perhaps we’ll just have to disagree. ;0)
Goodness, more life to this thread. Ok.
1. Ms. Smith, ok, I’ll try to see if the author has further info. Good idea.
2. Ms. Prop: I don’t doubt the veracity of your reporting on the ceremonial room apology. But I give Comey no credit for it. To my way of thinking that apology is misplaced and weak. I’d expect Comey to go apologize to the actual man injured by Comey’s violation of the Constitution. I expect Comey to look Padilla in the eye, and man to man, explain, and apologize directly to Mr. Padilla. Padilla may indeed be a scumy low-level career criminal, but the apology needs to be made to Padilla himself.
You’re not to blame. Only Comey is to blame.
Ghostman
OK – believe it or not I wasn’t done.
So now that he has done everything he can to mislead the American people and influence the S. Ct – what next.
Well, his pal and predecessor, Larry Thompson, had signed off on kidnapping and shipping Maher Arar off to Syrian torture. Arar’s wife finally got Canada to actually act and he was released. Arar then filed suit against Thompson, Ashcroft, etc. under the Conventions against Torture and the torture victims act.
Because Ashcroft is a party – he’s recused as AG. That leaves COmey to rush in on his not-so-white charger and intervene into ARar’s lawsuit, asserting state secrets to prevent Arar from having any recourse. That was stomach churning. Again, jmo.
Then after Comey leaves, his friend and pal “Jim” Haynes comes up for consideration for a 4th circuit nomination. He had come up earlier and Leahy had sat on the nomination based on bad feeling he had about weird answers to questions. Then we have the Jane Mayer – Alberto Mora article come out and the torture memos and the Beaver memorandum all of Haynes obstrucionism while other branch General COunsels and the JAGs for the branches tried desperately to restore adherence to the UMCJ and the Geneva Conventions and Haynes spit on them over and over. So things weren’t looking great for Haynes. THen he went in and told the Senate Judiciary COmmittee that golly – he’d gone over all the abuse measures with JAG officers in advance. Only- that wasn’t true. So a JAG officer had to testity under oath to the SJC and basically call the Gen COunsel for the Pentagon an out and out liar. Now that so impressed Comey (and Philbin and Golsmith and Thompson) that they co-authored a letter to SJC telling them how wondeful Haynes was and how he should be put on the 4th right away.
After all – Bybee liked torture lots and lots more than Haynes and he got a circuit court appointment! And besides, Haynes did really pretty paperwork.
Anyway – imo that’s the cherry on top. There’s more, but I think those instances are very very telling. And while lhp knows Comey and can attest to what a great guy he is, I don’t know him and only know the things with which he has chosen to be associated.
Scott Turow on Comey’s press conference:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/…..Jun11.html
A press conference that took place almost 3 years after 9/11 – not in the panic of the moment.
Understand this. When I indicate an impasse, it does not mean captulation. What it indicates is, hopefully, politeness.
David Olsen @ 116
I agree completely.
Even more than danger to their careers they may have been warned of harsher consequences for mucking in Presidential policy during a time of war.
The entire military-industrial / defense procurement complex leaves a lot to be desired in terms of transparency or efficiency. And no doubt that has resulted in plenty of both old-fashioned corruption and incompetent bungling. Nevertheless it is completely ridiculous to call Lockheed-Martin or any other defense contractor a criminal enterprise. These organizations exist as they do as a result of policy decisions by our government. And notwithstanding all the crap that goes on they do incredible things that have served the defense of this country well.
Grow up.
MarkH @ 144
So their drimes are that they believed in the system? That they weren’t willing to vilate the law in the name of preserving it.
Straight arrows are easy to manipulate b/c they will not bend fols spindle or mutilate the rules.
Sometimes they get so caught up in the rules, they don’t understand how to step outside hte box and see that the opponents have a different rulebook.
Nobody is perfect and nobody gets it perfectly right every time.
I do think Comey and Fitzgerald are two of the finest lawyers of my generation.
Just because they don’t wnat to become bomb throwers and don’t satisfy someboidy’s viseral needs, doesn’t change that.
lawyering is not the same as social activism.
It’s a differnet discipline. And discipline, personal discipline and narrow focus is a hallmark of the art.
You people get angery when Fitzgeralds and Comey reveal themselves to be merely men. Regular (OK very smart and telented) men.
WHat you are angry at them for, is that they are not two dimensional comic book super heroes.
Grow up. This is real life.
You ar enot ten years old nay more and this is not a comic book.
you are better than this.
mary at least brings citation, facts and subtely to her argumnts. I don’t mind someone having a diffenent opiion. I do mind somebdy venting without backup for their arguments when they are trashing a good man who carries heavy baggage on his soul.
Nobody gets it perfect every time. TRY walking for one day in the shoes of those you would criticize.
Let those amoung you without sin cast the first……
You said:
Several errors, according to the story Comey told. First, Ashcroft was the one who held firm, Comey wasn’t talking. Second, Mueller wasn’t there. (Two of Comey’s staff were.)
Third, Card ordered Comey to the White House *that night*. Fourth, Comey did go to the White House that night (and, FWIW, he did meet with Card alone, in the beginning).
Fifth, Gonzales did most of the talking, though you imply it might have been otherwise.
In conclusion. I don’t know the details about a lot of this Padilla case, and have been looking to your posts to learn about it. I happen to have retained the info about Comey in my head, and seeing how you bent or blurred the recital of them, makes me wonder about the accuracy of the rest of your material.
Anyone interested in hearing the story can find it here:
http://www.politicstv.com/blog/?p=2660
You said:
This is also factually incorrect.
isn’t it funny how only whistleblowers are heroes now? and scum that did the bidding of the crime family?
none of them have the least worth or character, for the time is up for them to have released their proof of having blown the whistle back when, during the “hiding” time, when they could have told someone about their orders to violate the law.
these USA’s appear to be guilty of obstruction of justice on several counts? some heroes.
Lew Koch @ 114
With all due respect, I can count on very few fingers the numbers of companies who have completely clean hands in any matter. Does this make Lockheed Martin’s actions acceptable? Probably not. Should we all quit our jobs till we can find a company to work for that’s never done anything remotely wrong?
I think it says something for Lockheed Martin that they actually hired someone who has been known through his professional career for truth-telling.
I’d also like to state for the record that I trust LHP and Christy in this matter, and whatever else they care to comment on.
-S
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I agree with Oklahoma — this cannot be spun. People on left blogs are always asking “How stupid do they think we are?”
When Fitz announced he was not going to continue to do what he was charged to do by comey ie FIND OUT WHO OUTTED VALERIE PLAME someone on Progressive Independent wrote that “Christy was spinning like mad.” Why?
Why are you deflecting much, much deserved criticism from fitgerald who had the authority to investigate the Niger Forgeries and so much else covered in American Judas about Cheney?
Maurice Hinchey and 30 other dems met with and wrote to Fitz to investigate the Niger Forgeries which Comey’s directive gave him every authority to do. Dem. Underground wrote about this but never followed up. I kept checkin Hinchey’s website and the letter 6 months later from Fitz was a crock – he did have the authority and waited 6 months to respond to Hinchey as someone on DU wrote about Fitzgerald in general as one of the Bush crime family’s assets to “just let it slowly evaporate.”
What ever happened to the sealed indictment?
Very similar to John Kerry instructing his staff to shred eyewitness accounts that there were 1,000 POWs and MIAs in Vietnam as reported on in Rolling Stone in Feb. 2004 when there was still time to have a real dem nominee not a skull and bones bush family fake candidate. Ross Perot spoke of Bush senior’s shutting down Perot’s investigation for the government on the Vietnam POWs and spoke this to the families of the POWs as reported in KISS THE BOYS, GOOD-BYE.
You are not serving your readers or truth well by covering up the crimes of people supposedly on our side like fitzgerald and kerry.
I am not a lawyer, thankfully, but it seems ‘knowing’ someone personally means that every mistake was just that — a simple mistake. And the fact that lawyers have to make difficult decisions does not mitigate the fact that we expect them to abide by the constitution and the law as defined by law, not by Bush, Cheney and Gonzales.
Comey miight have done the right thing once, and he may have been one heck of a man personally, and he might even have an excellent reputation in general law cases, but under Bush he has not done the right thing. Our country, and me personally, will find it hard to forgive anyone associated with the criminals in the White House.
No matter who sticks up for them. this is not a perfect world, I was not a perfect mother, and imperfection is a human trait. But in my mind criminal activites were done under Comey’s watch, and are ongoing as we speak. No defense can white wash that dirt. Every criminal has a tale to tell and a sad story to go with it. Does it often sway the prosecution from not putting them away? I think not.
151 – As someone who isn’t in a fan club, please believe that I don’t have any reason to misrepresent when I tell you this is wrong:
“Maurice Hinchey and 30 other dems met with and wrote to Fitz to investigate the Niger Forgeries which Comey’s directive gave him every authority to do.
The members of Congress did make that request, but Fitzgerald had no authority whatsoever to undertake that investigation.
That was the downside of how he was appointed. His only jurisdiction to act was on the very specific matter from which Ashcroft recused himself (the particular Plame leak issue).
There have been lots of misstatements about plenary power and ever so often I go back and get quotes from the court’s orders just to prove the point, but I’m tired to do it again tonight.
Fitzgerald had no authority to investigate Niger. He would not have had authority to investigate the obstruction and perjury issues without Comey’s second delegation to him.
LHP, no one expects Comey or Fitzgerald to be superhuman–or to be right all of the time. But you personally have built the cult of personality around these two on this site, the cult that they are superhuman and right all of the time. And when people see and point out the feet of clay, you are perturbed by their comments. Please don’t take offence: I think you really know your stuff (law, that is), and I think your writing style is charming.
Scott Turow (former prosecutor and criminal defense attorney) certainly wrote an outstanding commentary about Padilla after Comey’s June 1, 2004 press conference. Thanks for the link, Mary @ 142 – I just read Turow’s piece for the first time.
It’s hard to get around these cold, hard facts:
Talk about a chilling abuse of authority, executed at Bush’s direction (only weeks after Padilla’s arrest in May, 2002) by his Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. Damning. Comey clearly got caught up in something here, with the “help” of that career criminal Orrin Hatch for the press conference it appears, that he must mightily regret today.
The words “enemy combatant” uttered by a de facto monarch swept our Constitution and its guaranteed liberties and rights for one particular American citizen into oblivion. I think the breathtaking audaciousness of this action by Bush (and his cunning and deceptive legal sycophants at OLCounsel egged on by Cheney) may have simply taken the staid justice system by surprise and left it without any proper and timely defense to such extralegal, unConstitutional manipulations by the head of the Executive Branch “during a time of war.” After all, even today Bush and Gonzales are still playing dirty with the system for all its worth in an attempt to negate the NSA spying lawsuits.
So I consider this development, three years after that very unfortunate and yes, “ugly” press conference, to be upstanding and laudable behavior by Jim Comey:
looseheadprop @ 110
That’s taking responsibility, the best he can, and I doubt Comey will stop there. He may well meet with Padilla himself one day, but I think publicly admitting failure and asking for guidance in front of 200 colleagues is the harder task of the two. Comey doesn’t need to meet Padilla to know that he helped to do him, and our Constitution, very wrong.
Like the Iraq invasion, what’s done can’t be undone, but it can be learned from, and we can try to make amends. Comey has had a trial by fire, and if he is the man lhp thinks he is, it will have made him a better justice system administrator and someone who can be all the more trusted with the police powers of our government. It would be quite another matter if, like so many of his fellow Republicans (and George Tenet types), Comey never looked back and instead tried to claim honor and cite justifications where none existed. It’s very good to know from lhp about this week’s Comey “confession.”
It also helps all those other members of the justice system to think about what they would have done in Comey’s place, and prepares them should they end up facing the same dilemma in the future. [I wonder, too, if the circumstances surrounding that 2004 press conference had anything to do with Jack Goldsmith’s departure from the OLCounsel at DOJ at about that time.]
Who knows, perhaps as a result of this week’s NYC meeting and his recent high profile in the news, Jim Comey will sit down and write out his views and the lessons he learned the hard way about the need for constant, unfailing vigilance to prevent our government’s modern “national security” powers from extinguishing our liberty.
looseheadprop @ 109
was the apology for padilla or for something else?
thanks, LHP!
Comey was not the only one who landed a job with a million dollar salary or bonus. USA Debra Wong Yang after resigning from the DOJ in October 2006, received a $1.5 million dollar signing bonus from Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher as a new partner in the law firm.
But prior to leaving the Justice department, Yang had been investigating Rep. Jerry Lewis (R-Calif) who was/is Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher’s client.
Rep. Lewis sits on the appropriations committee which makes him one of the most powerful republicans in Congress. Hence it bears noting Yang’s investigation would potentially pull-in well-connected lobbyists, military contractors and Republican contributors.
Furthermore the law firm hired Yang as a co-leader of the Crisis Management Practice Group headed by Theodore Olsen, Bush’s former Solicitor General and Supreme Court lawyer in Bush vs. Gore. How often is a lawyer offered a partnership with a $1.5 million dollar incentive in a prestigious law firm?
I do not know if anything ever came of Yang’s investigation or if it was dropped or who replaced Yang?
There may be some explanation other than what “appears” to be a conflict of interest. Despite not knowing details, based solely on appearances’ sake — it appears there may be more than meets the eye to this.
Lewis;
Everyone seems so enamored with Comey as some paragon of Democracy now, but you have shown in this post that there are, without doubt, varying degrees of Republican self-justification.
Your post here is one of the few that has been critical of Comey for his stalled constitutional conscience. Here’s a snip from my own blog from the days after Comey’s confessional.
“One of the shameful factors that seems to be missing scrutiny in most mediums is how long it has taken for Comey (or Ashcroft for that matter) to reveal just how devious and dangerous to democracy the whole event became.
There are a lot of good reasons to defend and commend both Ashcroft sand Comey for defending our Constitutional rights. But why did they help perpetuate the cover-up with their long silence?
I think Comey’s really been struggling with this regret, since it happened. Just how do you tell the referees that your captain is cheating, without being labeled a traitor by the guilty parties and their enablers, who are also your teammates?
Simple… you just DO IT!
Too late for that in this event, maybe Comey and Ashcroft and many others who enabled the neocon cabal to perpetrate this travesty will come forward with revelations that can help prevent this from ever happening again.
Can you imagine what the Republicans would do if Democrats built such a lawless gang at the top of their party? It would be a constant drumbeat of righteous indignation, and a whining demand for “the rule of law.”
So where were these great Protectors of Liberty when Cheney and Rove were so blatantly building a personal, private-interest, no-bid book-cooking shadow government within our own Federal (federalist society, indeed!) government?
While there are some Constitutional stalwarts in both parties, I think many opportunistic Republicans are suddenly growing a newfound constitutional conscience only because they; lost so big, as a party, in November 2006; they lost Bin Laden in Afghanistan; and they lost the war in Iraq.
They are really just a big bunch of losers who spin their failure as “almost success”. Unfortunately, they are so afraid of the word “loser” they are willing to watch another thousand Americans die, simply to protect their false bravado.”
Comey had the authority (acting AG) and the evidence (he was a witness to it) of an illegal act of executive coersion, all that was necessary to open up an investigation the day after the bedside event.
Instead he protected his party first and the American people second.
Phule @ 42
I have sadly turned that corner.
In six years, they have destroyed everything.
And still, no one is stopping them.
selise @ 156
He didn’t do it last week. It was just the same romm as the event I was in last week. He did it before he left SDNY to become DAG.
He was asked about Padilla, and he was so hamstrung in his response because a) he was not at liberty to disclose the info at the time (his presser in response to the Hatch letter makes it clear it took alot of work to get the info de-classified. Mary is so right about the abuse of the classification authority being at the heart of many of these problems and why whistleblowing is not happening they some would wish)
b) he said outright that he did not have all the information he needed to prove that the President was wrong. That as a lawyer you act on things that you can prove and you hestitate to act otherwise.
He got rather emotional and said he did not become a lawyer to destroy the Constitution and that he was afraid that he had done it some damage. He then asked if anyone in the room had a soultion to offer.
There was a long silence. Then he said if no one wanted to speak it publicly, or if someone had a goood idea later, here was his direct dial number and please please call him.
He got a diect order from the President, he had two choices: do as he was bid, or resign. The preferred choice, build a case that the order was unlawful was not availbale to him because he did not have enough evidence and the Pesident was claiming to have secret evidence that Comey did not know. so, what the hell did you expect him to do? Be insubordiante so he could be fired for cause? How would that have helped Padilla or solved anything?
looseheadprop @ 158 -
thanks for the response, lhp, very much appreciated.
two things…
first – i guess maybe where we disagree is that i can’t see any reason to blow off the constitution and habeas corpus at the president’s say so.
any president. this is not about bush.
to me, these are fundamental rights – not something that we follow when convenient.
that doesn’t mean i don’t have sympathy for the inital decision – that is pretty understandable (even if i really hate it).
second – if the apology you are refering to was before he became DAG…. then what justifies his later june 2004 press conference (after his apology)?
that press conference really was obscene. i just don’t see any way it can be defended.
that doesn’t mean he can’t make amends for it – i just haven’t seen him do or say anything to indicate he even regrets giving it.
again – my condemnation of his actions in the padilla case does (especially the press conference), in no way, take away from my admiration for the good things he’s done. the two are not mutually exclusive.
i really look forward to watching how he works out all the contradictions… if, as you say, he is an honorable and conflicted man, then we have hope that he will eventually work to right the wrongs he has done. i wish him wisdom and courage… he’s going to need it.
Why didn’t Comey resign when he realized that the program of secret monitoring of U.S. citizens had resumed? Why didn’t he go public at that point?
Because his scene at the hospital and subsequent “I quit” antics at the hospital made sure he wouldn’t be the one going to jail should they get caught. Poor Gitmo Gonzo, he isn’t even any good at picking a patsy.
It’s all so muddled and complicated. But after reading Lew’s post, and LHP’s and Christy’s response, the nagging question I have is whether ego played any role in valor displayed the hospital room showdown.
Comey had just been made acting Attorney General, and perhaps feeling his oats, and makes a decision– perhaps a good one. Then he comes to find out, that his brief moment of awesome power and authority is being usurped by Gonzo & Card.
I can’t help but wonder if that slap in the face wasn’t somehow taken personally, and played some role in his willingness to come forward on this issue.
It would be nice to think that his only motivation was defense of the constitution, but I am troubled by his reliance on Ted Olsen as his witness, and I’m troubled that he eventually agreed that with a few minor tweaks the domestic spying program could continue.
Well, I clearly misunderstood lhp’s comment about the timing of the Comey apology. Along with selise (who wisely followed up), I’m sorry to hear it wasn’t a (recent) post-2004 press conference statement by Comey. So far, he does seem to be mostly letting his actions do the talking, and concentrating on doing what’s asked of him, without volunteering personal opinions for public consumption. But I do hope Comey will consider adding his voice to the public debate in this country about a way to prevent repeats of the injustices of the Padilla case.
An excellent place to start would be the abuse and overuse of classification authority, I completely agree with lhp and Mary and Lew and Christy. That abuse of secrecy is really the underpinning of the threat to Constitutional liberties from our modern “national security state” and it has caused enormously damaging unintended consequences. Fixing that with adequate guaranteed safeguards for federal whistleblowers would also go a long way toward removing any alleged need for a federal ‘reporter shield law’ exemption from providing testimony to grand juries. Comey could contribute very powerfully to an effort to get Congress to do its homework in this area, by highlighting how the state secrets excuse robbed him of his ability as a United States Attorney and Deputy Attorney General to safeguard Constitutional rights in the case of at least one American.
I do want to reiterate here that Comey testified to Congress that he in fact prepared his resignation letter the same day he learned that the spying “program” was continuing without DOJ certification as to its legality. It was as a result of those pending resignations that the President relented, and allowed DOJ to work to change the spying program so as to enable them to certify as to its legality. Lew does have that sequence confused in the main post (as a review of the transcript will make clear).
After the hospital showdown and the subsequent discussions with Bush, a delay of several weeks ensued during which the spying program was modified, so that the DOJ (the OLCounsel and not just Comey) was then able to certify as to its legality, and the program has presumably been running ever since in that changed manner, in line with the DOJ’s guidance. So I can’t see that Comey deserves anything but praise for what we’ve learned to date about his courageous actions under (and with) Ashcroft in relation to the NSA spying program in 2004.
One more complicating factor. It seems that with this administration resignation sends no message at all to the MSM. People who resign and speak out (O’Neil, all those Generals etc) seem to get almost no traction in the press. Their sacrifice seems to have no impact on policy. So it seems that their resignations haven’t had the intended result of spotlighting and forcing change in that which they had been rallying against.
Comey to Lockheed for $1+..like DebraYang to GibsonDunnCrutcher? Thet are heroes to themselves and their patrones.
I tried to put the timeline together, but rambled too much. Comey had two sets of interactions vis a vis the Padilla case. One was a USA holding Padilla on a material witness warrant – a warrant that was made based on tortured statements which he may or may not have known at the time.
Zubaydah was being tortured while they were getting Padilla and in connection with his attempts to get the torture to stop, Z came up with one plan after another that was on the cusp of supposedly taking place. Suskind’s book describes how we took a crazy guy (which Z was) who was known almost immediately after they captured him to not be the important operative cog we had hoped he (Z) would be, and proceeded to torture him bc the President had made statements publically about what an important capture Z was and Tenet swore he wouldn’t let the PResident down or let his statements look foolish – so they would just torture Z until they did get something important.
Again, Comey may or may not have known what was going on. Certainly the FBI agents involved initially do not seem to have been that shy in expressing their disgust over what took place and how their non-abusive interrogations were disrupted and how clear it was that Z was a nutcase. Those guys pretty much all had NYC counterterrorism ties, so I would wonder that Comey didn’t hear any rumors – but whatever.
When the President showed up to take Padilla I don’t think Comey had that many choices. I do think he had a choice in how his office responded to Padilla’s lawyers and that wasn’t very pretty. He could have done several things, including resign, that wouldn’t really have changed things too much for Padilla. He did also have the Higazy coverup which I thought painted a not very flattering portrait. While I think he would have been a better lawyer and better person do something, that’s not the same as saying he was awful.
BUT
Then he became DAG and that’s when he really did do, imo, things that were just flat abhorrent. The Padilla presser was one. It was abhorrent at the time and even with the uncontradicted spin that was being put out then that what Comey was saying, factually, was true and not biased. Now that we know how many of his statements were false and misleading – and how he would have had to be literally hiding under his desk to not know that he was misleading the country – it is just plain shocking.
Read Suskind or any of Mayer’s articles or Risen or … heck, anything. Then go back and re-read that Presser. Then read Fitzgerald’s invocations of candor and truth in his most recent Libby filings and try not to choke. No, Comey wasn’t under oath when he stood and gave that press conference. But he was making a case to the country based on lies. That’s not good behaviour.
He was also stage managing for the S. Ct. which was close to making its rulings on Padilla. It as a blatant effort to influence the court and to propagandize and use the full weight, power and authority of his office and his positive press relations and the backing of all the trapping of the United State government to insure the continued abuse without trial of a man against whom they had almost no evidence. He took a clear stand that not only could the President start torture for a “ticking time bomb” scenario, but that the DOJ was there to make sure that, once started, the country had to accept being degraded by continued torture, day after day, at the will and whim of President Bush. Over whom COmey absolutely enthused.
It was seriously bad.
In its own way, I think the Arar intervention was equally bad. But that’s another long story.
And I’m not that impressed by the NSA story bc I’m a cynic and I can think of a reason for everything that is much less stirring. For example, I think it could well be that the program was not changed at all – all the references to bringing it “within the law” etc. IMO likely dealt more with the uses being made of the information than the gathering of the information. You had what seems to have been a contemporaneous meltdown by the FISA court about illegally obtained information being given to the court and threats by the court to pursue perjury charges against “high ranking” doj officials (and Mueller would definitely have been interested in that since he and Ashcroft were likely on the hook for the signatures on the FISA applications that had the court so angry).
the spying program itself, per se. I don’t thi
Thank you all so much for this conversation.
thank you mary (and everyone else who has participated in this extended conversation)….
i am willing to give comey (tenatively) the benefit of the doubt wrt to the nsa story because of LHP’s intervention.
but i also can’t see any way to excuse his actions (especially his later actions) in the padilla case and, as mary rightly points out, the arar case.
there’s something else i want to add, that hasn’t been discussed so much…..
i’m a middled aged white women who has spent all her life (so far) in the middle class (it is much worse if you’re poor and black)…. and yet, my experience with law enforcement in this country has been, on balance, bad.
and i’m not a life long activist – the first time i ever participated in any kind of protest was 2002 when i attended a silent peace vigil… at which i was photographed by the police (they went down the line doing head shots for identification purposes) while marchers went by yelling and taunting us. the marchers were ignored by the police.
later, during a city council meeting, the chief of police said it was necessary to identify us and keep records of us because we were a potential threat to society… and it was inferred that we were potential terrorists. this was in MA – not some red state. it was the aclu that stood up for us – not any government entity.
in 2003, i went to miami for the ftaa meeting and protests. while volunteering as a legal observer for the national lawyers guild (ianal) i was tear gassed, pepper sprayed and saw young people beaten bloody and hundreds of rounds of rubber bullets fired indiscriminately into a crowd. for a time, i was detained and threatened with arrest if i tried to leave – although i had done nothing wrong (we were told it was for our own “protection”). union reps were able to negotiate our release.
when i returned to where i was staying – i watched the miami police chief on tv tell the most outrageous lies (and i knew they were lies from my own first hand experience) to the citizens of miami (mostly about the dangerous anarchists).
i could go on and on… (like the time the fbi called a nationwide terror alert because the room mates of a friend of mine were showing a movie)
the point i want to make, is that i have had reason to fear my own government – and many, many people have experiences far, far worse than the small ones i’ve had.
i depend on people like comey to protect me from out of control “law enforcement”. i don’t have the financial resources to pay legal fees, i don’t have social or political power to protect me. it could be that some day, all that stands between me and a very bad experience is someone like comey who’s not supposed to detain or prosecute someone unjustly – just because his boss told him too. comey’s actions in the padilla and arar cases undermine my ability to “trust the system” (and it doesn’t help when his actions in these cases are defended in ways i don’t understand by other lawyers).
i grew up being taught that the police, and the courts were where i should look to find justice. but, these last few years i learned (belatedly) that frequently isn’t so. (black friends have welcomed me to their world).
this is sad. i don’t want to feel this way. i want to go back to “trusting the system”.
to me, people like Lt. Cmdr. Matthew Diaz and Lt. Cmdr. Charles Swift and organizations like the aclu, nlg, and ccr are the heros – not Jim Comey.