To read this site and others, you'd think today was a day of great victories for our President. So why does Greg Sargent at TPM Cafe catch him sounding so testy in his latest press conference?
Asked by NBC's David Gregory why anyone should view him as credible on the war, Bush gave an answer that included this about the terrorists:
"They are a threat to your children, David."
And in response to The New York Times's Jim Rutenberg, who asked why Bin Laden is still at large, Bush gave an answer that included this about terrorism:
"It's a danger to your children, Jim."
. . . now that'll make 'em think again about asking tough questions! If you do, the Prez names you on national TV, suggests he understands the threat to your own kids better than you do.
If that strikes you as Dubya reaching for the last, most desperate weapon in Karl Rove's arsenal, you're probably right. Even if the Democrats are hurting themselves for failing to stop the war in Iraq, the snowballing poll results show it's just collateral damage from the (ahem) birdshot aimed at the Shrub-in-Chief.
In the midst of disappointment over Congress's failure, let's not forget who the real target is. Last week in this space, I wrote about the need to place the Department of Justice scandals at Dubya's doorstep, making the President's morality and credibility part of the conversation. Bush freaked out at the questions above because they did exactly that regarding the war in Iraq.
If we set a task for ourselves in the wake of today's vote, I think it should be sharpening the moral focus of our arguments to bring home to spineless wavering Democrats the urgency of ending the war — and to make Bush so clearly repellent that he becomes radioactive, forcing congressional Republicans to abandon him for the sake of their short-term survival. Here's how I put it in a post at Needlenose yesterday, noting that at current casualty rates, "2,000 more Americans will have died by the end of January, 2009":
What will have been accomplished by the loss of those 2,000 lives? Will Iraq be any more stable or secure, or will those lives have just been sacrificed at the altar of wishful thinking and a President who's too weak and paralyzed to admit a mistake?
Any politician who won't support an exit strategy needs to be made personally accountable for those 2,000 additional deaths — and to the 2,000 families who will bear the burden. And every Democrat or other progressive with access to a microphone, TV camera, or keyboard can help by reminding people that those 2,000 lives are the price we're going to pay for not putting an end to the war.
Judging from his comments today, it appears that Sen. Russ Feingold has already adopted this approach. And we can reinforce it by emphasizing the moral angle of Dubya's other failings, as I suggested in last week's post on Alberto Gonzales. That way, it becomes a narrative where individual issues combine to form an echo chamber instead of distracting from one another.
This president has something missing where his morals are supposed to be. Making it impossible for Republicans (or Democrats) to hide from that fact will help us end the Iraq war sooner.
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I am not angry at Bush. I am livid with my party.
Bush is the Danger to Children!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 0
the sentiments are not mutually exclusive.
Election stealing bastids.
Bush on Iraq – Al Qaeda – 9/11 Links:
“It [Iraq] has aided, trained and harbored terrorists, including operatives of al Qaeda.”
President Bush, March 17, 2003.
“The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We’ve removed an ally of al Qaeda, and cut off a source of terrorist funding.”
President Bush, May 1, 2003.
“I would tell them [families of fallen soldiers] the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the war against those who caused the deaths on 9/11 is necessary.”
President Bush, October 22, 2004.
“We went to war [in Iraq] because we were attacked.”
President Bush, June 18, 2005.
Maybe Bush is testy because he’s so thoroughly unpopular. Time for another war!
Oklahoma kiddo @ 1
That’s exactly the problem I’m afraid of.
If you want the war to end before 2009, this is the Congress you have to work with.
“snowballing poll results” – linky not workin’
OT, but i couldn’t wait to share the news, in case you haven’t already heard: the texas voter id bill went down, down, down. one democrat from houston, mario gallegos, came to austin to block it even tho he had a new liver transplant and was leaving home against orders from his doctor. and it went down! did i say it went down? yay, it went down.
Swopa @ 7
We stop the war with the Congress we have and not the Congress we wish we had? Not sure how we’re gonna do THAT.
Kerry up in Senate right now on the bill
Hi Swopa!
we may have far bigger problems than we thought:
1) why was dowd shopping AGAGAG? why did conyers shut it down?
2) read this piece by emptywheel, especially the comments.
http://thenexthurrah.typepad.c….._dick.html
3) then read this piece from RAW STORY:
http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0524.html
4) next, scope out this little tidbit from CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/…..index.html
5) and finally, this gem from the iranian president:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11497240/
oh, and the house just passed the supplementatl:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18841182/
back to work….
EPU’d
TeddySanFran @ 240
How did your critter vote?
Swopa @ 7
I realize that.
Kerry is no speaking in the Senate on the Iraqi supplemental
Swopa @ 7
Ding !
Kerry explaining that he supports pieces of the bill but will vote NO.
Talking about the fathers of troops killed who spoke for their late sons at their funerals. funerals Kerry attended but that the chimp can’t seem to find the time for.
I don’t really want to get started on the “this is the army you have” stuff. But I may be compelled to do so.
TeddySanFran @ 13
Don’t even have to look. I KNOW he voted for the bil as he’s a true believer kool-aid drinker.
SWOPA–Keep hitting and highlighting the framing points as you have done so well. You have been spot-on for the last few years and I wonder why so few seem to get it.
You know, let’s just go full speed forward and bag them all on voter fraud and end this administration and their criminal enterprises. Monica mentioned Griffin’s involvement, and Palast has the goods. Let’s just stop them from a different angle. We just have to throw Cheney in for treason for trying to instigate an upcoming war by using false flag operations. That’s how I see it anyway. I’m sick of this crapola. They want war? Well, bring it on bubba.
jayt @ 8
Fixed; thanks. (I blame John Amato.)
A threat to my children?
My children are 24 and 16, and this war threatens them immediately. So does poor access to health care, not enough Nat’l Guard here on our soil, etc.
The United States of America…it’s been a great ride.
tommy yum @ 6
Bite your tongue.
And if Steve Clemons is worried about Cheney and Iran, I’m worried. He has sources.
1,525 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen Swopa and the Firepup Patriots:
Thanx Swopa, for tryin’ ta take the sting outta this day…but it’s too late. The only way we get our country back and end the horrible war and death we have inflicted on ourselves and the Iraqis is to take our anger out on the Democrats and bring the war home to those that broke faith with the citizens of this country.
We begin this summer, with actions and protests…say, where are those “Rubber Stamps” for every Democrat who votesd for this surrender? By September, every single elected Democrat has gotta have the message tatooed on their consciences…if you vote to enable this administration in ANYTHING, you’re toast in November ‘08.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T TAKE ANY MORE “LITTLE STEPS”!!!
TeddySanFran @ 13
Thanks for the link TeddySF – happily my congresscritter Sam Far voted no, bless ‘em.
There, fixed it for you Swopa.
Why didn’t the reporter reiterate the question? Since bush thinks Osama bin missing is so important again after saying he didn’t even think about him anymore. Why oh why is Bin Laden still at fucking large after 5 years if he is such a threat to our children? Bush obviously doesn’t give a flying fuck if Bin Laden is captured or not, Bin Laden is used as the great American bogey man.
TeddySanFran @ 13
My congresswoman, Julia Carson (D-IN), who helped me with my personal family problem last week, got her votes just right, thank you.
Now that W’s got his warbill (presuming Senate passage) he’ll have to find another outlet for his nastiness. These swipes at the children of the media were a rampup to a particularly ugly round of Memorial Day speechifying.
Saw the reaction shot of David Gregory — he looked threatened when Bush said that about his kids.
Bush is basically holding a gun to the heads of our troops; and the Democrats caved to his threat: “Give me what I want, or I’ll kill these hostages, and it’ll be YOUR fault.” Makes you wonder what they’ll cave on next.
Re the hopefully not forthcoming war with Iran, Steve Clemons has a disturbing post up about Cheney crossing the line of insubordination as he and the minions that he has seeded throughout the national security bureaucracy try to undermine the (relatively) more sane heads such as Rice, Gates, et al in the formulation of Middle East policy:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.c…..002145.php
pardon me, but why can’t the Dem Congress de-fund Cheney’s rogue, shadow NSC operation that he runs out of the OVP?
“As you know, you have to go to war with the Army you have, not the Army you want,” Rumsfeld said.
I’m gettin’ real angry!
Boxer up now.
Bustednuckles @ 28
Nice. :)
I’d like to see them pass a bill that limits tours in the middle east to one, and also ends the ’stop losses’ or whatever they call it to keep extending military personnel’s time in service beyond their original commitment, and stop calling up people who have been out of the service for years. If they do that, it will bring the troops home, shrink significantly the number of military and Nat’l Guard available to fight in Iraq (and hopefully preclude an attack on Iran). That would definitely be supporting the troops and lead to withdrawal. Make sure the public knows (yeah, I know they would already know if they were paying attention) what Bush is doing to the troops.
It’s time to start sharpening the knives for the Vichycrats who supported this stupid war bill. Heath Shuler has been a great disappointment but I am proud that Congressman David Price voted against.
Rahm and Steny will not be in leadership positions in Jan 09 if they keep this up.
Did you ever notice that Steny and Boner have the same “used car salesman” look to them?
I say, NO MORE UNDERCOATING!!
snakedoctor @ 24
I was going to write something smart ass about a good 231 year ride but I can’t. I HAVE to believe we can reclaim things. I HAVE to believe. The alternative is so frighteningly abhorent, I do NOT want to imagine it.
I guess this is one of those times I bless the fact that I’m single with no children because of the total mess being left to the future generations. I just hope that the children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren of my cousins and friends are able to cope and overcome.
At least I have Senator Boxer to be proud of.
I’ve been around the Democratic political block for forty years. I don’t take kindly to being lectured to about what I’m stuck with.
The Democratic Party needs to be changed from within. The Republican Party was taken over by radical fundamentalists over a period of 30-40 years. Progressives now have to take over the lackluster Democratic Party to insure the will of the people is heard.
Boxer sez Bush wants to wipe Congress away like some messy spot on his jacket sleeve! Somebody’s reading the blogs….
Maurice Hinchey (D-NY)…my truly noble rep, votes against endless war.
TeddySanFran @ 31
Boosh will do a recess appointment of some flaming asshole over the Memorial Day Recess – just because he can.
TeddySanFran @ 13
Mine is a lazy NYC member of the Dem-machine (Edolphus Towns) who generally misses about 50% of votes. But he did show up to vote no on 125 and yes on 124.
Angry One @ 5
Angry person:
You should be even angrier when you think that Bush did not script this himself. He is simply reciting what Rove and his people wrote for him; it is apalling that this real creep was able to skate his life all the way to our Presidency.
Sounds like Boxer is going to vote NO. Yes, that is what she just said…
bushco keeps using the fear line cuz it works….americans buy it and dems are fearful of losing their seats so they pass bills like the iraq funding…..
I expect a Gonzo departure tomorrow, with an announcement of a recess appointment of…. who?
Louise Slaughter just posted over at MyDD..
This is as much about IRAN as it is about Iraq at this point. Congress will not assert itself in Iraq and they have all but abandoned their attempts to show some initiative with regards to Iran.
By allowing the troops to remain in Iraq indefinitely, they are essentially allowing Bush to continue his and Cheney’s plans to escalate and expand the war throughout the region.
Sen. Webb introduced an amendment in March which would have required Bush to get approval from Congress before using force in Iran. That amendment has been left for dead in the Foreign Relations Committee. They have decided that it is not “germane” to the Iraq bill and it is basically a dead letter.
Nobody should forget that Congress isn’t just giving up on Iraq today. They are totally punting on Iran at the same time.
Hasn’t this Enzi guy been indicted yet?
Greg Sargent at TPM Cafe
link at top goes to admin page
[Fixed by mod]
Eighty-six Democrats voted for the war today. Thanks, suckers — it’s your war now too.
i’m with you on everything, except one bit you left out.
we had 7 dems vote today to prevent passing this bill.
there are some dems (far too many) who have something missing where there morals are suppposed to be.
it’s our job to convince them it’s in their best interest to do the right thing, and if we’re going to succeed – we also can’t hide from the fact that most congressional dems are not on our side – yet.
Enzi of Wyoming now whining about funding for PET programs sullying this troop bill. Gag…
Land of free home of the brave but troops are not focus of legislation. More than 17 BILLION of unrequested items. I wonder just how many pork bills he never opened his mouth about for six years…
Minnesotachuck … reasons why it’s so ridiculous that the Ds refused to keep a no war on Iran line in the Supplemental – even before the veto.
There are those in the Democratic Party that are a disappointment but keep in mind the true enemy is the Republican Party. They have to be exposed for the true threat they pose to the Republic. If any knives are to be sharpened they should be used on the anti-democratic authoritarian neo-fascists of the Republican Party. They are traitors that deserve no quarter.
Bush’s presidency has been like the never-ending story, Part 144.
A comment found at Emptywheels:
EW- re Wolfie’s girlfriend – if only this were true about Shaha being a spy! A good old British sex scandal of the Profumo type may be the only way to stop the madness before it gets out of hand.
That’s all he can speak, folks.
He’s about to the point that the Jaysus platitudes will soon be coming out.
For those of you too young to have watched Richard Nixon’s public ego-death, during Watergate; the parallels are undeniable. :o)
And, the final helicopter wave may be closer than we think.
Some wack job talking on the NewsHour about terror and Iraq, totally disoriented, oh wait, it’s the President, never mind.
You said it, Swopa! Thanks!
Let’s show ‘em what REAL morality looks like. That’s what progressivism is all about, true MORALITY and decency!
I just finished a comment on another blog about how I swear I feel the fury in my veins of my ancestors who fought in the Revolution and for the Grand Army of the Republic. Now those were causes which were framed in morality!
Am sick to death of the mealy-mouthed who cannot stand up on their hind legs and convincingly argue why they believe what they believe and FIGHT FOR IT.
My ancestor suffered frost-bite on a British prison ship off the coast of Long Island. When he was released in a prisoner swap, he went home to briefly recover — then went back out on the field of battle to engage the enemy again, for what he believed to be right and just!
Don’t tell me it’s hard to “fight” when you don’t even have to damage your manicures to do it!
Grrr…..
It is no longer a surge per Bush – they are “reinforcements”. Everything’s going so great. Yeah, mo blud all summa. I guess they have to create as much havoc as they can before S..S…eptember…
I am not stuck with Hillary, the DLC or the whole damn Democratic Party.
While I am so angry at the Democrats I could spit nails, I want to thank Jane for blogging the proceedings. Now maybe I can calm down before I get home and not kick the dog (metaphorically).
Good to read your post, Swopa. Graphic is a real keeper.
When Bush took office a friend emailed me that having him as our nation’s president would bring this country to its knees. I wish he had been overstating…
Bluetoe @ 42
You said it! And for those of y’all who haven’t yet joined local chapters of Progressive Democrats of America and Democracy for America, do so toot sweet!
These are the vehicles for taking back our party from the spineless DLC corporate hacks.
Uh. Oh. “Reinforcements”…more blood…I just heard the word “counter-offensive” by Al-Qaeda. Can you say TET.
The way it looks, as long as Hoyer’s in his leadership position, all movement away from the Middle East occupation will be stymied. He’s oily and duplicitous. The man needs a serious stinging or removal from his post, for the good of us all.
TeddySanFran @ 50
please not santorum
and please not frist for world bank
Wouldn’t it maybe be nice to have one senator object to any further unanimous consent requests to (with luck and fortitude) prevent this bill from reaching final passage before the Congress has to go home for a week and chance encountering the general public, face to face…?
Won’t be Kerry: he’s all for the American-written Iraq oil-theft bill, and is condemning Rice for not managing to shove it down the Iraqi Parliament’s throat yet. [Kerry said he was fully in favor of that particular toothless benchmark, though voting against the conference report.]
TeddySanFran @ 13
I’m from the land of the sane – aka MA – all mine voted against the war.
As TSF points out, ownership of the Iraq War is now shared with the Republicans. Damn my party.
tw3k @ 54
Sigh. Fixed, too.
TeddySanFran @ 13
don’t forget the most important vote – the vote on the rule that could have preventing this bill from passing. (roll call)
explained by scarecrow here.
any dem who vote against Roll call 425 (war bill) tonight, but didn’t vote against the rule this afternoon is trying to pull a fast one over on us.
….
remember how lieberman voted against alito after voting for cloture? and then wanted credit for his vote against alito when it was the cloture vote that counted?
well, we got a house full of dems who just tried to do the same thing tonight. don’t let them get away with it.
LS @ 69
I’m honestly more afraid of a parallel to the “secret bombings” scenario. The insurgents do not have an organized active military like the NVA regulars to wage a debilitating Tet. What we have is a bunch of clowns who think bombs solve all problems.
His aides are going to have to be very careful about watching his mood swings. :o)
He could say something that will, flat-out, scare the living shit out of even the mouth-breathers. :o)
“Mah Frenz; I was talking with Jesus last night, and, over a cold bottle of Lone Star, he told me:
“Fuck ‘em all, George; you stay the course, y’hear?”
And that’s what ah’m gonna do. We’re having a Slim Pickens moment on Teheran, as I speak. Thank yew, and God bless ‘murka.”
TeddySanFran @ 31
Gregory looked surprised because he thought he was one of the Kool Kids after his song and dance with Karl Rove. If he was truly frightened fine, maybe now he will finally get it through his MSM coif that this Administration is morally bankrupt and the greatest threat to his children.
It’s not just George Bush the Democrats are afraid of, it’s Hillary too. I’m afraid of neither.
Hey fellow Firepups,
Here’s an option to influence (?) the news media:
Stories don’t have to be print media– blogs are ok, and they’ve included FDL main page stories in the past. Here’s some more about this venture:
They tend to lean Left — or maybe I should say their participants lean Left. You can rate their usual sources, and then you can see how their readers rate each source. Blogs like FDL, DailyKos and MyDD tend to rate about 3.0 on a scale of 1-5; there are very few who rate at 4.0 or higher; these tend to be science sources– and Greg Palast! Fox News is rated low. You can see the ratings, but you may have to register (free) and vote first.
Bob in HI
Now another wack job on the NewsHour talking about terrorists following us back home. Apparently al Qaeda is so stupid that they can’t find their way here unless they follow us. This one is Daniell Pletka from the American Enterprise Institute, the home of wing nuttery, neocon fuckery, and general wackjobbery. Nuff said.
What does this refer to?
this has been a long day – and a maddening day – i suppose this should be another wake-up call for us… after sulking i gather we must become even more energized tho its wearying
Bush already threatened a reporter and his kids — remember the way he poked Matt Lauer in the chest repeatedly, telling him his children were “in danger”?
Senator Murray of WA will vote for the conference report.
Bluetoe @ 42
Amen. I’m very upset that my congressman, Zack Space, voted Yes on the war funding bill.
I detest the DLC. And as for Hillary? Let your imagination run absolutely wild.
TeddySanFran @ 50
Just a hunch? I thought the Republican committee’s verbal fondling of Monica was a clear sign they want her to remain as a firewall for Gonzales.
Patty Murray is voting for the bill, while at the same time castigating Bush for blocking the previous bill.
DOESN’T WASH, PATTY!
So. Upset Dems… send your voter registration cards in. I’m going to.
Scarecrow @ 89
Only a fool fights in a burning house. Which is why Gonzales is staying.
Swopa @ 75
Thanks, great article!
We have to bombard the capitulating Democrats with such insistent, persistent, unrelenting civil FURY that they get the message — support the PEOPLE or your political career is OVER.
Everyone planning on hitting them hard over Memorial Day weekend?
Oklahoma kiddo @ 88
I’m imagining you as Curly in “Oklahoma,” and you’re wooing Hillary while singing “Surrey with the Fringe on Top.”
Hey, you said let it run absolutely wild.;)
We need Gore.
i still can’t believe we only had 7 dems in the house willing to try and block this bill.
Hugh @ 82
“If we quit Vietnam,” President Lyndon Johnson warned, “tomorrow we’ll be fighting in Hawaii, and next week we’ll have to fight in San Francisco.”
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/
be back later – i need to clear my head again…
Murray has used her entire supply of lipstick on this pig.
Cozumel –
The only “fight” I remember in Hawaii and San Francisco after we quit in Vietnam was the hopeless battle against outrageously rising real estate prices.
Why won’t someone as principled as Feingold or Dodd filibuster this bill?
If you wanted to be cynical, you could look at it as an act that would catapult them onto the national stage.
Feel sorry for people in the State of Washington. Patty Murray has about as much passion as a wet fart.
Bluetoe @ 79
See … this is what I don’t get … David Gregory gets beaten over the head time and again by this administration .. yet he just keeps coming back for more … how many more times will he keep getting beat upside the head before he won’t take it any more?
Oklahoma Kiddo: Why do you dislike Hillary so? It’s my understanding that many immensely wealthy corporatists think quite highly of her.
Speaking from Washington it’s a baby/bathwater here. You want purity try philosophy.
We just got finished electing people who have a CHANCE of turning things around, don’t turn on THEM now.
I want to know an answer to the following:
Bush says in his press conference that: “The danger in this particular theater in the war on terror is that if we were to fail, they’d come and get us.”
And Bush says, when pressed:
“We are there at the invitation of the Iraqi government. This is a sovereign nation. Twelve million people went to the polls to approve a constitution. It’s their government’s choice. If they were to say, leave, we would leave.”
Can’t it be drawn from this that Bush is putting the safety and security of America in the hands of another country? I thought that he swore up and down to never, ever do that…
God, Tweety’s got some cannon fodder age twit from the weekly standard talking about Iraq as central to terrah. Of course, the twit has more important things to do than actually go an FIGHT in this mis-begotten morass.
may i humbly suggest that if you are represented by a dem who wasn’t one of the 7 who voted to block the bill in the house… then they need to hear from you when they are home next week during the memorial day recess?
Watching Hardball. To his credit, Matthews has not laughed once tonight. Hasn’t even smiled. I think he’s as sick as we are.
wini @ 51
MyDD? She posted over at DailyKos, and got hammered, rightly so.
“every darkened sky has a shining ray”
(somewhere)
Margot @ 95
lol
McConnell gave speech today about illegal aliens caught voting in Texas. On and on about 12,000,000 illegal aliens voting in American elections.
That’s gonna be their next big lie, after all the lies about Iran I mean.
Oh, how it pains me to see these people twist themselves into knots justifying their craven capitulation to the Dipshit-in-Chief.
Kent Conrad breaks out the smoke and mirrors, Patty Murray whips up a sob story – how much of this do we have to take? Just vote, get it over with, and take your 10-day vacation.
solai @ 110
I think he’d like to slap that twit from the Weekly Standard however.
Margot @ 95
Yes, I am Curly. An incurable romantic. As for that other part (Hill). Now that is wild. ;0)
dakine01 @ 108
The Weekly Standard guy is an idiot. I saw the original Tweety show 2 hours ago. Who are the “Democratic Strategists” they have on? Are they DLC think-tank types? Why are they so stupid?
selise @ 97
Clay
Harman
Kucinich
McNerney
Moore (WI)
Stark
Waters
dakine01 @ 115
I’d stand up and cheer if he did!
The thing with David Gregory and nearly all in the Washington press corps (Helen Thomas excepted) and the celebrity news readers and the pontificating pundits is they are of the ruling elite. They are over paid, pampered and priviledged. To rock the boat threatens their position of priviledge. Of course Gregory will continue to be made a fool of, be the whipping boy, because ultimately the pleasure derived from his position outweighs his personal any personal pain inflicted upon him.
Hugh –
Thank you for the list of the Seven Lonely Heroes.
Bush’s poll numbers are sub zero this week not because more people care about Iraq but because immigration is eating into the base (see Tom Schaller this week, sorry I’m on treo and can’t link). I’m going to post on it tomorrow anyway but I fear this will do the same for the Dems.
David Sirota has an excellent explanation, at Louise Slaughter’s mydd diary, of how the Rules were used against our own majority’s interests today.
Ok, am I reading the votes right:
Clay, Harman, Kucinich, McNerney, Moore (WI), Stark, Waters
all voted AGAINST the War Amendment?!
Bluetoe @ 121
I always thought that reaching that social group was what motivated Gregory & Friends; not what is, you know, the news.
selise @ 76
For example, McNerney. And I gave this guy money.
Bluetoe @ 121
You are wrong about him and he has just had the Thug in Chief personally threaten his children.
And you wonder why reporters don’t show more courage. Some of them are already out there on the edge.
egregious @ 113
This is just another example of why the Republican Party is the greatest threat to the nation. When these criminals are finally brought to justice some will certainly be behind bars, some might actually be executed for treason and some should be deported. It’s time to rid the nation of these scoundrels and traitors.
Goddam, pups.
I’ve got to admit I feel pretty darn dejected today. Not just over the vote, but over how many Dems folded, just like Pat Buchanan said they would.
They had the opportunity to end/fix this wretched war, and they botched it. Completely. I feel like its 1992 all over.
I know you feel the same way, but feel like I need to say it out loud. This one really hurts.
i feel it needs to be said–bush’s answer to david gregory—they showed the whole thing on lehrer newshour——-he rambled at great length, layin’ it all out, terrorism, etc., THEN layed out the child threat……….when he rambles, he has no place to hide. he was rambling and it was evident.
as i have said many times before, i still comfort myself with a picture him, out of office, with no real friends to pass the time with sittin’ on the front porch sippin’ iced tea…….noone. a lonely existence awaits this man, i pity him, i truly do…wealthy and noone to spend it on……..noone to share it with…….what, his family? laura? his parents? his daughters? man, i pity the man……..he will have a lot of lonely days and nights to go over his legacy all by himself. i sure don’t envy his existence when he’s done raping the world……….
Thank you, Swopa. I needed that.
Just who will do the laundry, wash the dishes, work in the fields, clean the toilets and put the mint on the pillow if we don’t have “illegals”. What will we do? Who will take care of us?
jane hamsher @ 123
i expect you meant this excellent article, Is Rush Limbaugh right?
Take all the political scandals since 2000 and add them up. Pretty heavy!
There is a scandal coming that will outweigh all the others combined.
Well my congressperson, Betty McCollum, voted ‘Nay’ on the supplemental and I called to give her my enthusiastic support. Tim Walz, whom I supported financially, is about to get one of his funds solicitation envelopes returned to his office with a ‘So sorry but you blew it’ note enclosed. Contacting Reps feels like such an incredibly miniscule part to play in this when my mind is saying ‘pitchforks and torches’, but then it also feels good to have had my Rep vote my views. I’m trying to not become frothingly bitter about all this but man it would be nice to see bush & cronies be introduced to the firey pit. Peace to all and may your work count.
jane hamsher @ 123
Ahh, good point. My bad for not following the wingnut mentality closely enough (sensitive stomach, y’know).
Well, at least it will make clear to them what they need to do.
TeddySanFran @ 12
Mine voted nay! on the war bill! woo-hooo!
Bob in HI
Joe Klein’s conscience @ 118
Didn’t catch the name of the one woman, just that it was her first time on the show. The other was Cynthia Tucker, columnist for Atlanta Constitution-Journal.
edit: Julie Mason from Houston Chronicle
dmac @ 130
Maybe his Moonie neighbors in Paraguay will hang out with him. They’re not noted for being discerning in the kind of folks they like.
“forcing congressional Republicans to abandon him for the sake of their short-term survival.”
The shorter, the better… we still need to target the worst Republican offenders, the California Issa/Lungren red-herring tag-team has really been creepy in this whole process, not to mention King and Cannon, and Inhoffe and… the list ogoes on and on. So we need to focus on getting them boosted in the next election.
But now it would appear that some of these Democrats need a real asswhoopin’ in their own primaries, and Hoyer heads that list.
On the war, and on corruption issues, they still just don’t get it. Republicans OR Democrats…
The power of the purse is in their hands, not the President’s, and it is their duty to deny him his blood money, if the public demands it.
And apparently from recent polls, WE DO! Clearly, in November, 2006, We, the People, said “No More”
And we meant it!
Scarecrow @ 89
Fondling. I wonder what all the sexual subtexts were to the Goodling hearings yesterday. It sure seemed like there were a lot of them. The Republican Representatives were openly drooling and I was listening not watching. As for Goodling herself, there was the whole little girl routine wrapped around the oppo researcher and partisan hack, all reminiscent of porn films where the girl enters the room, says she has never done anything like this before, falls out of her clothes, and on to her knees. It makes for very weird vibes, and as I was saying at the start, subtexts.
allan_in_upstate @ 127
mcnerney did the right thing this time. one among only 7.
Bluetoe @ 121
Horrifying development over recent years.
The same preening, ego-driven personality types as those who seek office contend for spots in the Washington press, and turn out to have too much in common with their vile, compromised subjects, and too little in common with the public to whom they report.
Hugh @ 142
It seemed to me to be the equivalent of Orrin Hatch and his reach-arounds to Abu and Croc-a-Kyle. Not sure how to register a reach-around with MG however.
egregious @ 127, I’ve seen little of Gregory to make me think otherwise of this corrupted and compromised “journalist”. He’s a prima dona that revels in his position of priviledge. His criticisms of the Bush regime has been tepid at best. He knows who signs his paycheck and is not going to go “out on a limb” to say the emperor has no clothes.
Last November I voted, just like always, the straight Democratic ticket. And today the payback from my party. I am insulted. Democrats: do NOT take me for granted.
dmac @ 131
And if we’d impeach him, damnit, he wouldn’t have any “emoluments of office” like Secret Service protection or motorcades. Which would mean he’d have to hang out with OldBar and Dad to be safe.
Olbermann soon in my living room.
albert fall @ 144
Well, in H2Ogate times, most of the national press corp was repeating Nixon talking points: third-rate burglary, nothing to see here, move along. S2D2.
still listening to senate …
Durbin now
Journalists have editors. Remember when Gregory was forced to apologize on tv for going too far and stepping on someone’s toes?
The media people I met at the Plame trial were EAGER to tell the story but their editors and publishers? Not so much.
jayt 30
oh good! glad you pursued it………………………
Cozumel @ 98
Said wack job is Danielle Pletka of AEI, whose pet project is
NGO Watch , a joint project of AEI and the Federalist Society.
Because there is nothing more dangerous and deserving of scrutiny than an NGO.
My guess is that they count neither the AEI nor the Federalist Society as an NGO.
Bluetoe @ 129
12 million – not 12,000 or 1200, but 12 million! Caught voting in Texas? I know who to ask.
Allan—
Check out who were the two exemptions to the ethics NGO legislation passed at the beginning of the session.
jane hamsher @ 123
[my bold]
yes. very dangerous situation.
need to think further on this…. but at this moment i think it’s going to take some movement on the part of our presidental candidates and our congress to prevent it. how to convince them that doing the right thing is a good thing for the party?
is there really a constituency that is pro-war? is it the military industrial complex? $120 billion is a lot of money. that could be it.
allan_in_upstate @ 127
You are wrong about McNerney’s votes. One of the seven. Nay on the war amendment.
I’m confused: why did almost all the Republicans vote against the bill being voted on?
Hugh @ 141
Jeff Feria on our Phoenix AAR/Nova M station yesterday played a clip of Monica and followed it by saying –
“And I like fuzzy sweaters, and I like long walks on the beach, and if you look at my handwriting you’ll see I dot my i’s with cute little hearts.”
Yup. Sums it up. Pathetic.
selise @ 143
Jane Harman is on the side of the angels?
Does not compute.
[goes off to figure out what it all means…]
egregious @ 152
If they can’t do their jobs then they have an ethical and moral responsibililty to find another venue to report the stories they are so eager to tell. To blame the editors and publishers is a cop out. Are they “journalists” or are they leashed poodles?
Siun @ 151
me too. is the senate vote to be tonight or tommorrow?
My squeeze is here with me tonight, and she has been looking at my comments and tells me she thinks I need to be more radical. Of course I tell her that’s because she’s a full blood and I’m only a 1/2 breed. She laughs.
Levin up in the Senate. Are those Rayne scorch marks I see?
tanbark if you’re here?
I’m sorry, but I respectfully disagree with you here (blue language not directed at you, but the Dems)
I’m a registered Republican and I voted a (nearly) straight Democratic ticket because I am so furious with my own party. Since the Clinton administration, I have been considering changing my affiliation to the Democratic Party. that consideration has grown ever more serious since the elections of 2000 and 2004. Today’s betrayal by both parties has made me pause and consider that it might be a waste of my time.
I am devastated by this, as I am devastated by the news that the body found in that drainabe ditch has been identified as that of a local young man from Torrance. He was one of the 3 soldiers who were believed to have been kidnapped 11 days ago. My husband works for the city of Torrance, and a death like this in such a small town is earth-shattering.
dakine at 39
I guess this is one of those times I bless the fact that I’m single with no children because of the total mess being left to the future generations. I just hope that the children and grandchildren and great-grandchildren of my cousins and friends are able to cope and overcome.
chin up
Just heard the Chimp make his comment to David Gregory on NBC news. Also heard him deliver his latest version of the Iraq/911 connection, and that old favorite…we’ll fight them there instead of here.
Also saw Boehner breakdown sobbing at the podium somewhere, at the thought of this war not continuing.
It’s truly pitiful. No, it’s beyond pitiful.
Bluetoe @ 162
please… you insult poodles. *g*
anne @ 159
That part of the bill was the non-Iraq piece, the one with money for mostly domestic programs and minimum wage increase. That was the first vote.
Gunga Djinn @ 169
Boehner was drunk.
Gunga Djinn @ 169
Boehner is an ass.
dmac @ 168
chin up
{{{{{dmac}}}}}} Thanks! It’s tough sometimes when you KNOW things can and should be done differently yet see the arrogant idiots continuing to say and do the same stupid things day in and day out.
I’ve been listening to House and Senate speeches by people we think of as the good guys. Can we absorb their analysis of why this bill is going forward before we go into a feeding frenzy against our own?
Scarecrow @ 171
was anne asking about the rule vote?
TeddySanFran @ 171
Pathology on Parade.
egregious @ 175
Short answers to simple questions department: nope.
egregious @ 114
This is the response I got from two Austinians
TeddySanFran @ 172
Ha. You give him more credit than I do.
Feel free to correct me but the House supplemental votes fall out something like this.
Earlier today Roll call vote 418 was about setting up the subsequent votes Roll call votes 424 and 425 which split the supplemental into domestic and Iraq war parts. This allowed some Republicans to vote against the domestic spending and for some Democrats to vote against the Iraq spending. Both parts passed and as per the setup in vote 418. They were joined back together without a need to have a vote on the bill as a whole. Only 7 Democrats voted against the setup in Roll Call 418. They were the only ones with real stones. Everyone else was playing the angles so that they could say they supported only the parts which they thought would make their constituents the happiest without endangering the passage of the two parts of the bill as a whole or facing a tough vote on the whole bill.
selise @ 176
Uh, dunno. But see Hugh’s comment, immediately prior.
egregious @ 175
“Our own?” That is part of what we are grappling with. I disown most of them.
OK. Now I understand. My apologies to Rep. McNerney.
In my own defense, I was suffering the aftereffects of having surfed over to the AEI website.
Those neocon stupidity rays sure do a number on the frontal lobe.
Bush tells us today that this will be a bloody summer.
“I am devastated by this, as I am devastated by the news that the body found in that drainabe ditch has been identified as that of a local young man from Torrance.”
(((((((opie jeanne)))))))
opie_jeanne @ 167
Not only was he a son of Torrance but ultimately he was a son of the nation. Such a pity and such a waste. All men and women, sons and daughters, mothers and fathers, sacrificed on the altar of a man devoid of compassion, integrity and wisdom.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 184
Master of the obvious, that guy.
(((((opie_jeanne)))))
it’s a long haul. both parties have been corrupted (but not, i think, to the same degree). but, it’s up to us to counter the rot.
egregious @ 186
Thanks.
Hugh @ 181
Having been almost completely powerless for six years under George W Bush, and having lost their trifling “control” of both the Senate and the House of Representatives, today Congressional Republicans made American war policy. And the newly empowered Democratic majorities let them do it.
Amazing, but true. Thanks, Rules Chair Slaughter, for the sellout.
Bluetoe @ 187
the heart of another family ripped out.
House OKs billions more in Iraq war funds
Democrats, conceding to Bush, don’t insist on troop withdrawal timetable
Olbemann is at bat.
Bluetoe @ 187
Yes. Exactly.
And I love Keith Olbermann more tonight than ever, something I did not think possible.
The family was interviewed by the little newspaper in Torrance, called the Daily Breeze, and the article will probably be in tomorrow’s paper. I live 30 miles east, in Anaheim, and I see the death notices in the Los Angeles Times every week but this was harder for some reason.
Olbermann is not happy with my party.
opie jeanne –
I’m remaining a Democrat, but am fighting tooth and nail to reclaim the party’s progressive heritage by working through Progressive Democrats of America, which has chapters in all 50 states, I believe.
Soon I’ll be joining Democracy for America, the group founded originally by Howard Dean. They too have local chapters.
Both of these organizations are vehicles for party reform — and in our state, Arizona, membership in these caucuses is growing rapidly. We’ve already had measurable effect in spotlighting local issues, getting the state party to vote for Howard Dean as party chair, and in getting progressives into local elected office.
It’s a long, long haul ahead of us. Please don’t give up — no matter what venue you choose to keep up the good fight!
Am so very sorry to hear of your local tragedy — hugs and prayers going out to you and your kith and kin.
TeddySanFran @ 191
Teddy, how can they sleep at night?
Keith has John Dean & Johnathan Turley tonight.
selise @ 143
But this is exactly what I’m talking about. Within the last several days McNerney voted the “wrong” way and people were talking about betrayal and we’ll never support him again. Yet here he is one of the faithful remnant.
If we attack our own, we are weakening our own troops.
Marathon not sprint.
Oh Dog! KO has the clip of Boehner crying…
I would suggest merging the 2 parties, call the merge the DemRep party (it is in existence anyway).
Appoint Rove as the selector for all those running for office in congress (he’s doing that anyway), ask Bush (lord and master – he’s serving in that capacity anyway) would he care for another presidential term or $100mil or so to live a nice retirement (he’ll get it anyway), unite the US with Canada and Mexico (it’s going that way so why not?).
etc, etc, etc
The Dems gave up their credibility, a toothless cowardly opposition who can be kicked out of the way whenever desired.
Ah well, I’m retired, going to spend a few months in the UK later this year, forget the miserable excuses leading the Dem paert.
KO in first few minutes hones in on Bush threatening Gregory’s children.
They had better not have “an accident.”
DEAR GOD.
Then Bush threatens -another- reporter’s children [Jim]
to answer a question nobody asked me:
yes, from a certain angle, Monica Goodling looks a *whole* lot like Ann Coulter.
dakine01 @ 200
Blubbering incredibly!
dakine01 @ 200
Boehner may have a second crying jag after Olbermann gets through with him.
allan_in_upstate @ 184
Allan- also see post by Howie Klein at DWT- has a copy of statement by McNerney here
And the clips of the chimpenfuhrer using the “threats” against the reporters today. I think he’s also going to show the bird shitting on bush as well for a little poetry in motion.
dakine01 @ 207
That bird deserves a medal.
New post upstairs, kids!
Mrs. K8 @ 196
This is not my personal tragedy, but it feels like it.
No, I won’t give up, but this vote today makes me rather bitter. I already have a cynical streak, but found hope in the Democrats regaining control of both the House and Senate.
But I like Dean, and I need to find the tape of Edwards today, but I think I still like him a lot.
I remain a Democrat on a day by day basis.
Boehner was drunk.
he was somewhat slurry there, huh?
EvilDrPuma @ 208
Some metaphors…
ccmask @ 59
I think we all should be thinking about the next two years in terms of endgames in a game of chess that may have more than two sides. Just for starters, think of what your endgame would look like if you were:
* George W. Bush
* Dick Cheney
* Karl Rove
* Alberto Gonzales
First, if they are planning what amounts to a coup (e.g., there is an October surprize, Bush declares martial law, and postpones the Nov. 2008 elections), then they’re all still joined at the hip. However, if not:
Bush is thinking of his place in history. He wants to leave town like the Lone Ranger, having vanquished the bad guys (Alberto = Tonto?). But what if his silver bullets don’t work any more?
If they are not planning a coup,
* what will Rove do next?
* what will Gonzo-boy do?
* what on earth is on Cheney’s mind?
If Cheney could engineer a sudden impeachment or resignation of Bush, then he gets to be President without the bother of an election campaign. Cracks are already showing, because he’s trying to manoevre Bush into a corner where he has to go to war against Iran. Bush’s people know this, and it may irritate them enough to do something about it.
What’s on Gonzo-boy’s mind? Follow Georgie back to Texas, ever faithful to his Kemo-Sobby?
Who can read the tea leaves?
Bob in HI
egregious @ 199
agree that it’s a marathon not sprint. but gotta disagree on the rest.
i think it could have been like this… mcnerney voted against mcgovern’s bill and, rightly, caught holy hell for it. maybe mcnerney learned something from that experience and did the right thing this time?
based on mcnerney’s vote today – the previous vote against mcgovern’s bill is now water under the bridge (so long as the good behaviour continues).
this is all about accountability and encouraging our reps to do the right thing.
jayt @ 203
An earlier poster mentioned Tanya Harding,
which probably gets even closer to the core of MG’s soul.
egregarious @114
She wrote again:
Firstly – it’s Mitch McConnell, so it’s suspect. Secondly any time they start throwing out huge figures, gotta watch them.
Bush slurring his words on KO.
New threat=
The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.
Come on Upstairs, friends.
http://www.firedoglake.com/200…..a-problem/
selise @ 215
Agreed. We threw an appropriate shit-fit aimed at Jerry, and he has come correct. Damn good.
@ 217
Look, a misunderstanding.
McConnell said several hundred illegal aliens voted in Texas and that went on about the -threat- of 12,000,000 illegal aliens voting in some other future election.
I support the troops. Bring them home. Now.
mrs. k8 140
yeah, but think about it, what kind of bonding would that be? and conversation? oh my, i love my friends and their thought provoking comments and hugs in the kitchen, he won’t be getting any of that from that crowd. that’s why i say what i say…….came from that world……..told all of my friends that if you see me drinking highballs and playing bridge at the country club after a round of golf==SHOOT ME, it would be a mercy killing………he’s got noone to bond with, noone to rationalize his experiences, noone to tell him it’s ok…….noone……..i pity the man who raped the world. and glad to see your comments, hope life is treating you well.
1,525 DAYZ AND THE KILLIN’ GOEZ ON AND ON AND..
Citizen oklahoma kiddo and the Firepup Patriots:
Someone has ta pay for what happened today and that payment hasta take us closer to the end of this terrible nightmare. So….let’s find a place outside the Democratic Party, like MoveOn and FDL, to focus our anger and our ACTIONS. If FDL could get a “Rubber Stamp” action goin’ delivered to every single Democrat who voted for this monstrosity today…well, that would be a start. Then maybe some organized mailings to the DNC sending back old DNC membership cards.
Finally, can we start a people’s movement to organize strikes andmarches around the country to culminate in September in Washinton when the bastards come back for the fall session?
Let’s brainstorm here…I’m tired a feelin’ helpless. Why can’t we use the power of FDL to begin a mass movement to take our country back?
Brother kiddo, I’ve been tangled up with the Democratic Party all my life but I think our party needs a little asskickin’…are ya with me? I will focus all my actions from now on against my party and those who have abandoned the people who put their trust in ‘em.
KEEP THE FAITH AND DON’T BE AFRAID, BE MAD AS HELL!!
Valley Girl @ 206
thanks for that link, VG
I say to anyone contemplating enlistment: Don’t do it.
John Dean on KO NOW
Elliott @ 225
Ditto.
Does that make me a dittohead?
selise- I read Howie’s post that asked “should we give him the benefit of the doubt” (here, DWT, maybe both). After reading what McNerney said about the McGovern vote to Howie, and also knowing that he had/ has a son serving in Iraq, I said, yes, give him the benefit of the doubt.
iirc, part of McNerney’s objection to the McGovern bill was that it had no provision for a diplomatic solution. I’m not sure I’d agree with your assessment that McNerney’s behavior today/ yesterday has to do with learning from having caught “holy hell” for his past vote. It is important to keep an eye on all of the BA candidates, and it is still early days. But, so far, I am not willing to be quite so cynical about McNerny. also see here
teddy at 148
i LOVE how you think
MEG @ 135
***
And that scandal would be…?
Sheesh, I just got home from my afternoon drive, all excited because finally there was a demonstration of about 100 people on a major intersection…
…about raising teacher pay.
sigh. I love our teachers, but I just couldn’t put that at the top of my priority list today.
Love these recent posts from swopa and parachutec! Awesome. I really want more reporters in Bush’s grill reminding him each and every day how unpopular he is for killing our troops. There won’t be any defense left for when we really need it!
Little boy crying wolf. disgusting.
someone with high-speed should find this for me
sandra hall singing have you ever been hurt?
showing right now on the show jubilee on pbs……blues……..fits right now………..
wish you all could hear it right now………the blues, talks about fighting back after “hurtin’ so bad”……….you yowl and then you get back in the game and fight back.
sandra hall, queen of the hurtin loud blues.
allan_in_upstate @ 228
I sure hope not!
Valley Girl @ 229
you may very well be correct… i just don’t know.
my point still stands, though, that accountability is a good thing and can encourage good behaviour. (imo)
Valley Girl @ 229
Actually I think it is a very big reason – he did catch hell and not just there
senate is voting now!
ccmask @ 96
Wouldn’t Keith O be a better candidate?
CD @ 231
Is it good thing for us?
Durbin – aye
votes yet from Clinton or Obama?
anyone hear?
Senator Reid says the conference report has language in it stating that we will not maintain permanent bases in Iraq, and that we (who’s “we”? Exxon & Chevron too?) have no designs on Iraqi oil. [Is that language separate from the unenforceable benchmarks?]
Hmmm…
[Mostly Reid’s trying to rest on the laurels of the successful efforts of the Democrats in passing the first (vetoed) supplemental with its binding timeline. He sounds like he’s more determined than Pelosi in some ways (as though he has more support at his back from his caucus): “Never, never, never” will the Democrats give up trying to end this war, he claims.]
Sounds like the Senate vote on the conference report is now underway…
pow wow … I was looking at the text – its pretty confusing on what’s in and what’s not with this version …
Biden aye.
Obama No.
Clinton No
Obama no.
McKaskill aye.
Hil no.
Cardin aye.
Bauchus aye.
very evil dr.208
made me laugh out loud, and sigh and laugh again.
80 to 14
14? shit.
our country is in worse trouble than i thought.
ChimpCo got this through without breaking a sweat.
So fucking much for “Elections have consequences”.
Sen. Whitehouse voted no. He hasn’t been in the Senate very long, but he is rapidly becoming my favorite.
I heard it was the Euphrates River, not a drainage ditch. (not much better, but a little less worse, if you know what I mean)
Selise- IN NO WAY am I disagreeing with the idea of holding their feet to the fire.
John in Sacto- and, you and Selise may well be correct that the drubbing McNerney got over the McGovern bill put him on a quick learning curve. If so, that’s good too! I’ve saved the calpol link for future reference, but can’t read through it right now. I will be very interested to see how McNerney does with future votes.
Howie pays close attention to how the 06 BA candidates are performing, he has them on his radar. And so do we!
Dover Bitch @ 250
Yeah. I found a great vid/audio clip of Senator Whitehouse from the presser on March 20th, when Dems from the SJC discussed the USA firings. He’s shockingly good at this, and on this.
If I didn’t like him so much as a Senator, I would want him for AG in the next Dem DOJ. And I’m from CA.
Valley Girl @ 252
i know!
yeah, i really trust howie. amazing for someone i’ve never met.
selise @ 254
Same here, Selise. I’ve never met Howie either, but I hold him in high regard. He really is quite amazing.
Hmmm, the vote was 80-14?
Hopefully the Dems will be arranging a victory parade in DC on June 15 or so to celebrate their alliance with Bush and his friends.
Cut out the charade, lump the house with the senate, have one vote on every issue, expel whoever votes contrary to the Bush/Chaney/Rove wishes.
dakine01 @ 57
That’s the thing. It was a raise in the minimum wage, more funding for better military medical treatment and veteran treatment, Katrina relief. And those BASTARDS call it pork.
Well, it seems we have effectively suspended the Legislative Branch until further notice.
Whatever Iraq and “national security” legislation and funding the Executive Branch dictates, it gets, from here on out, with a majority Democratic Congressional “opposition” in name only, until A*P*C and BigOil say otherwise.
This conference report vote is only going to gain in painful consequence over time, it appears – but time is no longer on the side of the Democrats in Congress.
The American Congress has failed. May the Iraqi Parliament prevail.
Sen. Byrd reading “In Flanders Field”. Very moving
Sen. Whitehouse on C-Span now.
I have been away from the Internet and the TV for the past three hours. Can anyone explain to me why ALL BUT ONE Democrat in the House voted for Bush’s war, but 73 Republicans voted against Bush’s war? What did I miss?
Press conference with Schummer, Feinstein, Whitehouse on Senate vote of no confidence on Gonzalez. Reporters asks “isn’t this just political football?” The MSM is the problem.
Press conference on Cspan 1.
In the end, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.
– Martin Luther King, Jr.
neurophius @ 261
we think the roll call votes are mislabeled. see here for the correct labeling (with links to all the house roll call votes today)
but it was the rule vote that mattered, and only 7 house dems voted against it. almost as bad.
I know what next step the Democrats in Congress should take:
Pass legislation, and send it to Bush, allocating a specific amount of money (based on Pentagon estimates…and past experience…in troop movements) to be used in redeploying our troops out of Iraq.
No timeline. No benchmarks.
Just a “rainy day fund” to cover the sometime-in-the-future expense of removing our troops from harm’s way, as safely and efficiently as possible.
1) I would be curious to see how the “culture of corruption” Republicans try to spin this single-issue bill into their standard lie that Democrats don’t support the troops, since this single-issue bill just sets money aside (in a lockbox?) to cover any future redeployment of our troops from Iraq.
2) It separates “redeployment funds” from the Iraqi War operational funding contained in the bill that just passed.
3) With no timeline or benchmarks contained in it, this redeployment funding bill will just provide contingency funding for handling the specific cost of pulling our troops out of Iraq sometime in the future. With no timeline or benchmarks, this would tend to nullify any Republican talk about “surrender dates.”
4) Although it should be a single-issue stand-along bill, Democrats could possibly sweeten the pot by including both a basic pay increase and hazardous-duty pay increase for our soldiers serving over in Iraq.
Then, I’d like to see how the Republicans try to spin it that this bill doesn’t support our troops.
Just say no to the VICHYCRATS
No money for you-get lost!!
“This president has something missing where his morals are supposed to be.” The thing is, psychopaths are like that.
FU Bush, I have no kids and my family dies with me. One big reason was assholes like you – I want no part of your shit.
I am fairly angry today, but not naive enough to abandon the Democratic Party in order to give the Republicans their true future goal.
I must also say that it is really refreshing to come here and read intelligent discourse on the issues, as opposed to the childish finger-flipping when people get upset that seems to go on with so many otherwise informative sites. Thank you for that.
Oklahoma kiddo @ 65
Would you at least support a Progressive Dem to defeat a DLC Dem in a primary race?
newtonusr @ 204
Is it possible he thinks the continuation of the war is the only thing keeping him in office?
MarkH @ 272
A moral certainty…