zed!

Play to win! Go KO!

Hey gang … we think the house will start on the vote shortly … the maneuvers are maneuvering and we’re watching.

not zed

Hilarious montage… that’s perfect.

On treo and train for CT, anyone watching and keeping us up to date much apreciated.

Siun @ 3

Hey gang … we think the house will start on the vote shortly … the maneuvers are maneuvering and we’re watching.

i’ve had c-span on all day waiting for iraq funding – and wasted way too much time listening to bogus lobbying and ethics floor speeches… but, i don’t want to miss the iraq votes.

I don’t get it! Ohhh…now I see from Siun’s comment it is in honor of the vote.

I’m thinking to myself, why am I sitting here watching these morons on a youtube? LOL.

love the sports analogies – just hilarious!!

Hi Siun!
bitingly apt

Excellent Vid – Perfect!

Selise … me too, R’s spouting about Abramoff, everyone playing games

I don’t even have YouTube at work, the square is blank, so for me it’s a very vague posting…

Purge the Vichy Corporatist Democrats.

Organize locally to elect those who will represent you.

Vote.

That’s how it is done, there is no other way.

Albatross @ 13

I don’t even have YouTube at work, the square is blank, so for me it’s a very vague posting…

It’s a very vague youtube!

Sorry for this OT, but, I just can’t help myself, from ABC news:

As President Bush took a question Thursday in the White House Rose Garden about scandals involving his Attorney General, he remarked, “I’ve got confidence in Al Gonzales doin’ the job.”

Simultaneously, a sparrow flew overhead and left a splash on the President’s sleeve, which Bush tried several times to wipe off.

Mother nature sure has one hell of a funny bone.

Just tuned in from PA. Hotel doesn’t have CSpan but they do have wireless.

Well, Denny Green’s tirade makes much more sense in our context…

Albatross @ 13

I don’t even have YouTube at work, the square is blank, so for me it’s a very vague posting…

No flash? Or are they blocking YouTube completely?

Another sports analogy:

Former Steelers coach Chuck Noll during an after game interview: Media “What do you think of your team’s execution today?” Noll: ” Good Idea.”

yeah we vote and still we get shafted – oh well

For da legal minds at FDL – Since Monica discriminated based on politics in hiring, is the Department of Justice liable for discrimnination claims against it?

Hi Siun.

(((Jane)))

D. Moore @ 16

Sorry for this OT, but, I just can’t help myself, from ABC news:

As President Bush took a question Thursday in the White House Rose Garden about scandals involving his Attorney General, he remarked, “I’ve got confidence in Al Gonzales doin’ the job.”

Simultaneously, a sparrow flew overhead and left a splash on the President’s sleeve, which Bush tried several times to wipe off.

Mother nature sure has one hell of a funny bone.

Are you serious!! I want to see that clip. I’m sure it will make it to Youtube.

watching and waiting for vote on c-span……

AZ Matt @ 22

For da legal minds at FDL – Since Monica discriminated based on politics in hiring, is the Department of Justice liable for discrimnination claims against it?

Yes. For non-political civil service jobs.

And in the middle of all this- a new poll from CBS:

How’s the war going? Well- 23% Piss Poor 66%

Was it a mistake? No 35% Yes 61% (new record)

Clusterfuck JAR 30% approve

i propose…. that for the upcoming votes….

we’ll pay attention to the rules game-playing and take names on the critical votes.

we’ll bring sunlight to a process some politicians are trying to obscure.

and then, together, we’ll plan a response.

LS @ 24

D. Moore @ 16

Sorry for this OT, but, I just can’t help myself, from ABC news:

As President Bush took a question Thursday in the White House Rose Garden about scandals involving his Attorney General, he remarked, “I’ve got confidence in Al Gonzales doin’ the job.”

Simultaneously, a sparrow flew overhead and left a splash on the President’s sleeve, which Bush tried several times to wipe off.

Mother nature sure has one hell of a funny bone.

Are you serious!! I want to see that clip. I’m sure it will make it to Youtube.

i’d bookmark that one. gives me more respect for sparrows after all…. SCORRRRRRRRRRRE!

From the department of Accidental Poetry:

Bird shits on Bush during press conference.

oh god bing west saying ENDLESS WAR!!!

juslin >

watching and waiting for vote on c-span……

Hold not your breath.

“…We don’t have news, we have stories inspired by current events…” – Stirling Newberry

AZ Matt @ 22

For da legal minds at FDL – Since Monica discriminated based on politics in hiring, is the Department of Justice liable for discrimnination claims against it?

She only delayed the hirings…

yeah, like she would keep their resumes for later…

OfT, Willard didn’t get the memo:

“I oppose discrimination against gay people,” Romney said. “I am not anti-gay. I know there are some Republicans, or some people in the country who are looking for someone who is anti-gay and that’s not me.”

juslin @ 21

yeah we vote and still we get shafted – oh well

Yes, we did, it takes time to re-build. It doesn’t happen over one election cycle. It took the GOP 30 years to retake the house and senate. But joining a 3rd party is a recipe for failure. Our system is set up for two parties. That’s the things are.
Organize, Organize, Organize.

TRex @ 30

From the department of Accidental Poetry:

Bird shits on Bush during press conference.

lol!

Don’t know if this was in the previous thread, but FWIW, Kerry says he’s voting no.

Love the bird shit story

Clusterfuck: “Did anyone get a license number?”

noen @ 35

juslin @ 21

yeah we vote and still we get shafted – oh well

Yes, we did, it takes time to re-build. It doesn’t happen over one election cycle. It took the GOP 30 years to retake the house and senate. But joining a 3rd party is a recipe for failure. Our system is set up for two parties. That’s the things are.
Organize, Organize, Organize.

agreed. but the actions the dems are contemplating are asking for another “nader” moment. can’t blame third parties when the dems don’t act responsibly.

rwcole @ 38

Love the bird shit story

Clusterfuck: “Did anyone get a license number?”

I thought it would be” “where the hell is Cheney when you need him?”

rwcole @ 38

Love the bird shit story

Clusterfuck: “Did anyone get a license number?”

Dick Cheney has a shotgun and he is good at shooting birds!

bird poop…now THAT’S political theater.

Donna Brazille just let Blitzer say that if Dems vote ‘no’ on the Iraq bill, they could be accused of not supporting the troops – without pointing out that that is a ludicrous argument.

IIRC, her response was “Absolutely”.

I’m saying here and now, she’s working for the other side. There is no other explanation.

I don’t know much about her personally – deep in the pockets of the MIC I’d wager.

Yes, this is a rant. I wanted to jump through the screen.

Here is the direct URL, won’t play in my browser.

Bird makes a Statement on Bush

LS @ 1:44 pm -

ThinkProgress has the video clip you’re looking for: Mother Nature’s signing statement?

Gawd, Mutant, that is too scary!!!

rwcole @ 38

Love the bird shit story

Clusterfuck: “Did anyone get a license number?”

don’t worry, Cheney’s on the case

TRex @ 30

From the department of Accidental Poetry:

Bird shits on Bush during press conference.

i want a video of that!

see, if these macho coaches can admit they screwed up bigtime, why can’t Bush?

Is the vote going on right now the vote on the Iraq supplemental funding? Does “yes” on “motion to recommit” mean “yes” on “funding the war”?

From Steve Clemons, some potentially deadly behind-the-scenes manipulations by Darth Cheney. Scary stuff.
Cheney Attempting to Constrain Bush’s Choices on Iran Conflict: Staff Engaged in Insubordination Against President Bush

Towards the end, Clemons says

On Tuesday evening, i spoke with a former top national intelligence official in this Bush administration who told me that what I was investigating and planned to report on regarding Cheney and the commentary of his aide was “potentially criminal insubordination” against the President. I don’t believe that the White House would take official action against Cheney for this agenda-mongering around Washington — but I do believe that the White House must either shut Cheney and his team down and give them all garden view offices so that they can spend their days staring out their windows with not much to do or expect some to begin to think that Bush has no control over his Vice President.

No control over his VP? Ya think?

I’m sure Secret Service caught the bird so the sadistic Shrub can waterboard it, then slowly dismember it, all the while cursing out his mother.

I called my Cong-peeps yesterday, and they all said they would vote against the supplemental. That’s Ed Markey, Ted Kennedy, and John Kerry. I actually believe them, and feel lucky that I am one of the few Americans to be accurately represented today.

Wait a minute – could this be an al qaeda trained sparrow, practicing directed attacks.

All sparrows to Guantanamo, pronto!

AZ Matt @ 46

Gawd, Mutant, that is too scary!!!

Great and small minds think alike.

I wonder how Issa will vote.
s/

Mutant Poodle @ 54

Wait a minute – could this be an al qaeda trained sparrow, practicing directed attacks.

All sparrows to Guantanamo, pronto!

That sparrow must’ve been eating zucchinni…

neurophius @ 50

Is the vote going on right now the vote on the Iraq supplemental funding? Does “yes” on “motion to recommit” mean “yes” on “funding the war”?

I think the current vote is a GOP motion to recommit the “ethics” bill Steny and Rahm and Conyers built. I think…

Adie @ 29

… i’d bookmark that one. gives me more respect for sparrows after all…. SCORRRRRRRRRRRE!

For myself, I take that as definitive proof that God, who is said to “watch over every sparrow,” was making a statement.

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The video was totally right on! I do think we need a third party. I suggest we call it the Democratic Party. It would be nice if we had one.

VictorLaszlo 33 — That’s absurd. With friends like Donna Brazille…

bonkers @ 52

I’m sure Secret Service caught the bird so the sadistic Shrub can waterboard it, then slowly dismember it, all the while cursing out his mother.

Really, I heard that the bird had holed up in the Appalachians and was using decoy sparrows to throw people off the trail.

Pete Bogs @ 49

see, if these macho coaches can admit they screwed up bigtime, why can’t Bush?

Because Bush is a tedious sociopath for whom a closed head-wound would be a major personality improvement?

selise @ 39

agreed. but the actions the dems are contemplating are asking for another “nader” moment. can’t blame third parties when the dems don’t act responsibly.

Yes, I understand that. And here in Minn I voted Independent Party for the local offices but Dem nationally. But that is because I thought there was a good chance for the Independent Party to succeed and they more closely represented my interests.

jane hamsher @ 61

VictorLaszlo 33 — That’s absurd. With friends like Donna Brazille…

She’s not my friend. Never has been.

Oh heck! There goes my split-brain-syndrome again, mushing comments together.
must.resist…CAN’T!

Hi Albatross. Nice to see you in comments.
Don’t suppose you’ve got any kin full-to-the brim with a load-a-predigested-fish & flying anywhere near that there pooped sparrah’s territory, eh?

that would be one magic loogie/drop for yoohootoobz!

Mutant Poodle @ 54

Wait a minute – could this be an al qaeda trained sparrow, practicing directed attacks.

All sparrows to Guantanamo, pronto!

maybe it was one of the CIA’s birds

neurophius @ 50

Is the vote going on right now the vote on the Iraq supplemental funding? Does “yes” on “motion to recommit” mean “yes” on “funding the war”?

No, neuro, it is a vote to recommit on an Ethics reform bill.

War bill next.

VictorLaszlo @ 43

Donna Brazille just let Blitzer say that if Dems vote ‘no’ on the Iraq bill, they could be accused of not supporting the troops – without pointing out that that is a ludicrous argument.

IIRC, her response was “Absolutely”.

I’m saying here and now, she’s working for the other side. There is no other explanation.

I don’t know much about her personally – deep in the pockets of the MIC I’d wager.

Yes, this is a rant. I wanted to jump through the screen.

Chris Matthews, to his credit, flogs this almost daily. The ‘troops’ don’t make policy.

Veritas78 @ 53

I called my Cong-peeps yesterday, and they all said they would vote against the supplemental. That’s Ed Markey, Ted Kennedy, and John Kerry. I actually believe them, and feel lucky that I am one of the few Americans to be accurately represented today.

We seem to be in the same CD. We ought to make contact before I move away!

VictorLaszlo @ 43

Donna Brazille just let Blitzer say that if Dems vote ‘no’ on the Iraq bill, they could be accused of not supporting the troops – without pointing out that that is a ludicrous argument.

IIRC, her response was “Absolutely”.

I’m saying here and now, she’s working for the other side. There is no other explanation.

I don’t know much about her personally – deep in the pockets of the MIC I’d wager.

Yes, this is a rant. I wanted to jump through the screen.

She is working for the other side, as she was in 2000 along with Lieberman, or the way flat-out Republicans Cohen, Gergen or Morris were in the Clinton administration. You’re not being hyperbolic or paranoid.

hi rev!

ok mutant poodle – that laugh did me good ;>} lol sparrow is now on MW list

A portion of a letter I sent to my representative, Lynn Woolsey, who is one of the good guys.

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An open letter to Sen. Harry Reid, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Rep. Rahm Emanuel, Howard Dean, and other leaders of the so-called “Democratic” party:

The so-called “Democratic” party is anything but. It’s a party that doesn’t listen to its own members. Consider that for a moment. They don’t listen to the very people who put them into office. Where’s the “democracy” in that?

“Stop it,” we say.
“Patience,” you reply.
“Stop it now!” we say.
“We’ll fight another day,” you respond.
“PLEASE, PLEASE STOP IT NOW!” we say.
“This is the beginning of the end,” you answer.

“The beginning of the end,” you say? What you, our dear leaders, fail to see is that the beginning of the end started a long time ago. Make no mistake. There’s the end there, right down the road, just ahead. It doesn’t take much vision, at all, to see it. It’s not the end you speak of, namely the Iraq war. Rather, it’s the end of such quaint notions as democracy, freedom, justice, and national integrity and respect. Not to mention economic disaster.

We’re spiraling downward toward total catastrophe, ever faster, and rendering ourselves less and less able to recover. We’re doing dumb things in spades, deliberately, again and again. We don’t listen to the brave few who stand up for what’s right. We seek counsel from the creators of the fetid mess.

And, stunningly, you supposed keepers of the democratic flame keep accepting this as OK. OK enough to put off standing up to the repugnant bully for another day. Or week. Or month.

Here’s a tip, ladies and gentlemen. When you’re in a fight, words are not enough. Actions are the real indicators of heart. Actions shine light on words and expose them as either hypocrisy or conviction. You have to take some bold stands, like now. You might even consider throwing some punches of your own. It’s not easy, I know. But, one thing is clear. This is what it will take.

But, no. “Now’s not the time,” you say. Far be it for you to be the ones to take a defining stand now. Well, you might not think that we aren’t noticing that you keep running from the fights, but you would be wrong. “Not wise, you say.” “Keep your powder dry,” you say. “Live to fight another day,” you say.

“Fuck you,” I say.

It’s not the beginning of the end that we want. It’s the end of the end that we want. A horrible, grotesque end is well on its way. And, all the while, you’re on the sidelines, alternately cheering on the perpetrators, then shaking your heads and saying “Tsk, tsk.”

I invite you to listen to or read the transcript of Keith Olbermann’s stately Special Comment expressed on his Countdown show today (5/23/2007) on MSNBC. He expresses my outrage most articulately. Wake up, Congresspersons and Senators!!! Wake up, goddammit. Enough is enough. Don’t you think?

Sincerely, and with dimming hopes, …

p.s. I will stop putting quotes around “Democratic” party, and will stop using “so-called” as a necessary adjective, when you, EN MASSE, earn that humble title and honor with your actions. I’ve heard enough of your words. Shut up and do something good. Something right. For a change.

It’s hard to keep up on what they’re voting on, since they seem so willing to bury the supplemental vote under some other guise.

Seems like we’re still on lobbying and ethics amendments.

Sonoma Rus, good to hear from you again…
one or both of us out of synch… but good to see you again.

Here’s Bush in the line of fire.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit….._of_1.html

TeddySanFran @ 72

hi rev!

Hi Teddy!

bonkers @ 52

I’m sure Secret Service caught the bird so the sadistic Shrub can waterboard it, then slowly dismember it, all the while cursing out his mother.

omg. confiscate jr.s firecrackers…

Elliott @ 67

Mutant Poodle @ 54

Wait a minute – could this be an al qaeda trained sparrow, practicing directed attacks.

All sparrows to Guantanamo, pronto!

maybe it was one of the CIA’s birds

Waiting for the Mittster to criticize ABC news for divulging the existence of top-secret trained sparrows, our next weapon in the war on empty suits.

still on ethics … perhaps they’re hoping we’ll get tired and forget about them

Could it, possibly, not pass?

(Nicely wrought, Jean2k)

Sparrow has now been put on the No Fly list.

donna brazile card carrying DLC insider…. and mealy-mouthed dem spokesperson

selise @ 48

TRex @ 30

From the department of Accidental Poetry:

Bird shits on Bush during press conference.

i want a video of that!

Please click on the link in my 1:51 pm comment.

Mutant Poodle @ 80

Elliott @ 67

maybe it was one of the CIA’s birds

Waiting for the Mittster to criticize ABC news for divulging the existence of top-secret trained sparrows, our next weapon in the war on empty suits.

707!

RevDeb @ 83

Sparrow has now been put on the No Fly list.

I was surprised W didn’t lick his fingers

RevDeb @ 83

Sparrow has now been put on the No Fly list.

ouch!

Shrub can’t stop al-Sadr or al-Sparrow.

Jean2k, very nice letter. you said fuck you very well :) i hope they listen (but doubt it)

Pachacutec @ 75

It’s hard to keep up on what they’re voting on, since they seem so willing to bury the supplemental vote under some other guise.

Seems like we’re still on lobbying and ethics amendments.

yes. they were in the middle of debate on the iraq occupation supplemental – when there was a vote to table that and go to lobbying/ethics… been there ever since.

hope the change came about because there was concern about how PISSED OFF we are. wonder how it will all turn out…

Siun @ 81

still on ethics … perhaps they’re hoping we’ll get tired and forget about them

It’s 5 PM on the East Coast. Maybe this is their whole strategy.

-S

TeddySanFran @ 87

RevDeb @ 83

Sparrow has now been put on the No Fly list.

I was surprised W didn’t lick his fingers

stop!

IS VOTE LIVE ON C-SPAN? I CANT FIND IT ANYWHERE…

thanks o mighty sparrow we owe you big time – how appropiate – shit on the shitter!

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 85 –

thank you!

Has the Senate Judiciary Committee issued a statement today about subpoenas it voted on this morning?

jane hamsher @ 61

VictorLaszlo 33 — That’s absurd. With friends like Donna Brazille…

I think this is a “Give a Moose a Muffin” moment, pre-school for Democrats. If you give some people an inch, they’ll take a mile. If you concede that de-funding the war is the same as not supporting the troops, then a vote against funding the war is the same as not supporting the troops. Pretty soon, being a Democrat is not supporting the troops. In other words, don’t concede the meme in the first place, Donna and all clueless Democrats.

God loves the littlest sparrow.

RevDeb @ 70

… We seem to be in the same CD. We ought to make contact before I move away!

… and SOS makes three? :)

Siun @ 81

still on ethics … perhaps they’re hoping we’ll get tired and forget about them

not very fucking likely.

…sorry ’bout the language, but i been watching c-span all fucking day for this.

Suzanne @ 90

Jean2k, very nice letter. you said fuck you very well :) i hope they listen (but doubt it)

Agreed. Clear, passionate, concise.

Here’s a tip for you “Democrats” – Bush is going to keep hitting you no matter what. You might as well hit back, especially as a vast majority of people in this country and and overwhelming majority around the world are on your side.

As I said a few threads ago, you’re proving that if you don’t stand for something, you’ll fall for anything.

BrooklynJoe – CSPAN has the house live … they’ve been finishing up ethics legislation.

hmmm, maybe they wanted us so upset, we wouldn’t notice whatever they did on ethics? naaaa

Stephen Parrish, CPA @ 45

LS @ 1:44 pm -

ThinkProgress has the video clip you’re looking for: Mother Nature’s signing statement?

Thanks!

OfT: According to Ykos newsletter just received here, Obama, Richardson and Edwards are all confirmed. Prices for YK go up June First.

dalloway @ 98

jane hamsher @ 61

VictorLaszlo 33 — That’s absurd. With friends like Donna Brazille…

I think this is a “Give a Moose a Muffin” moment, pre-school for Democrats. If you give some people an inch, they’ll take a mile. If you concede that de-funding the war is the same as not supporting the troops, then a vote against funding the war is the same as not supporting the troops. Pretty soon, being a Democrat is not supporting the troops. In other words, don’t concede the meme in the first place, Donna and all clueless Democrats.

Donna is not a Dem, she is a corporate tool.

TeddySanFran @ 87

RevDeb @ 83

Sparrow has now been put on the No Fly list.

I was surprised W didn’t lick his fingers

Eeewwwww!!!

What an ass-kicking we’re taking. And I hate that. I believe only in Victory.

I’ll give Madam Pelosi TEN days. 10 days to come up with a full battle plan, covering EVERY conceivable possibility of events in Iraq, the R team position, our counter, as well as our main thrust thru-out the Summer. For help, Pelosi should review EVERY comment by Mr. rwcole in the Disgusted thread. And I too am disgusted.

If Pelosi can’t get the job done, then I call for her Impeachment. Oh….I know she can’t really be impeached, but I like the sound of it. Pelosi, either get off your ass and come up with a SMART, GUTSY battle plan, or shag your ass back to SF on the Impeachment Plane.

Rep. Obey: the only “fight” I’ve seen out of you is when you yelled at some female out in the hallway of your office. Yelling at a woman….that’s it, Obey? Rep. Obey: either learn how to stand up like a Man, or you’ll need to start answering to the call of your name: Here, kitty, kitty, kitty.

Ghostman

Obey up now

Grrrrrrrr. Called the DC office of my newly elected DEMOCRATIC representative and asked her position on the war funding. First, the person answering the phone didn’t know her position and didn’t seem aware of the issue. Next, she suggested I write a letter. Finally, after asking someone, she said she believed my representative “is leaning toward voting yes.”

If she’s voting for it, why doesn’t she just say so?

noen @ 99

God loves the littlest sparrow.

Jinx! See my #59 :)

juslin @ 95

thanks o mighty sparrow we owe you big time – how appropiate – shit on the shitter!

I’ve heard that it brings good luck.

here we go

BRB – i need a long tall cool one – anyone need me to bring one back?

This is it: supplemental up now.

Thanks Siun. Maybe just maybe vote will be put off…

iraq up NOW on c-span

While the troops remain in Iraq, the overwhelming majority of Americans support continuing to finance the war, though most want to do so with conditions. Thirteen percent want Congress to block all spending on the war. The majority, 69 percent, including 62 percent of Republicans, say Congress should appropriate money for the war, but on the condition that the United States sets benchmarks for progress and that the Iraqi government meets those goals. Fifteen percent of all respondents want Congress to approve war spending without conditions.

President Bush acknowledged the majority view at the news conference today when he spoke about the war spending bill now pending in Congress.

“As it provides vital funds for our troops, this bill also reflects a consensus that the Iraqi government needs to show real progress in return for America’s continued support and sacrifice,” he said in his opening remarks. “The Iraqi Study Group recommended that we hold the Iraqi government to the series of benchmarks for improved security, political reconciliation and governance that the Iraqis have set for themselves. I agree. So does the Congress. And the bill reflects that recommendation.”

Even so, the poll found that Americans now have more faith in the Democrats than in the Republicans on the issue of the Iraq war. For the first time, more than half of those polled — 51 percent — said the Democratic party is more likely than the Republican party to make the right decisions about the war.

In general, more Americans now have a favorable view of the Democratic party (53 percent) than of the Republican party (38 percent). The Republican party has not had a majority positive rating in a New York Times/CBS News poll since December 2003.

As for Mr. Bush, 23 percent approve of his handling of the situation in Iraq, while 72 percent disapprove; 25 percent approve of his handling of foreign policy, while 66 percent disapprove; and 27 percent approve of his handling of immigration issues, while 60 percent disapprove.

juslin @ 114

BRB – i need a long tall cool one – anyone need me to bring one back?

I think cases are in order.

neurophius @ 110

Grrrrrrrr. Called the DC office of my newly elected DEMOCRATIC representative and asked her position on the war funding. First, the person answering the phone didn’t know her position and didn’t seem aware of the issue. Next, she suggested I write a letter. Finally, after asking someone, she said she believed my representative “is leaning toward voting yes.”

If she’s voting for it, why doesn’t she just say so?

who’s your critter, neuro? sorry i forget

okayyyyy

coctail hr. here.

i can turn on the telly.

don’t.want.to.
can’t.watch.but.must.
so.i.can.tell.them.
i.saw.what.they.did.

wonder if we could hire that sparrah to trail a banner over the capitol:

“WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!?!!!“

Birds can definitely take aim when they want to. I have a cockatoo, and she’ll only “go” when she’s in or on her cage – or if she’s “scared shitless”.

Mutant Poodle @ 119

juslin @ 114

BRB – i need a long tall cool one – anyone need me to bring one back?

I think cases are in order.

How about a tall, dark and handsome one?

Iraq War Debate is on in the House.

OT but it appears that dear Monica has managed to flush out some more pissed off USAs. Via TMP.

Since they weren’t subjected to the Justice Department’s vigorous Why-Did-We-Fire-Them brainstorming sessions, former U.S. attorneys Thomas Heffelfinger (Minnesota) and Todd Graves (Kansas City) got their first taste of it yesterday during Monica Goodling’s testimony. They didn’t like it.

Of Heffelfinger, who stepped down in February of last year (he says he resigned voluntarily, though that was just a month after he appeared on one of Kyle Sampson’s firing lists), Goodling said that she’d heard he “spent an extraordinary amount of time” working on his work related to his position as chairman of the subcommittee of U.S. attorneys that deals with American Indian issues.

Heffelfinger’s response: “I did spent a lot of time on it… That’s what I was instructed to do [by then-Attorney General John Ashcroft]”.

[snip]

Graves said that his picture had been taken with Vice President Dick Cheney. He said having a picture taken with a visiting president or vice president was a “normal custom.”

But the fired employee’s complaint, Graves said, led him and criminal chief Matt Whitworth to report the matter to the inspector general “out of an abundance of caution,” prompting the investigation.

He said the review showed that the complaint was without merit.

“That Ms. Goodling would adamantly disclaim any knowledge of how I or anyone else got on a (Justice Department) staff secret hit list and then casually throw out a vague memory of a routine investigation that I initiated … is beyond the pale,” Graves said in his statement.

MS #60,
Hmmm, what would a TRUE opposition party support? IMO,
Single-payer healthcare.
Bring home the troops from, not just Iraq, but the other 120 or so nations where they are deployed as well. Reduce the defense budget accordingly.
Decriminalization of non-violent drug “offenses”.
An Apollo project to stop using fossil fuels for energy.
A trade policy that supports the middle and working class.
A progressive tax policy.
Ban on mercenaries.
Ban on private prisons.

I’m sure there’s more-in the meantime, we have the left and right wing of the Conservative Party.

dakine01 @ 107

TeddySanFran @ 87

I was surprised W didn’t lick his fingers

Eeewwwww!!!

m-m-m-m! essence of bird flu!

Obey: only military families sacrificing for this war

TeddySanFran @ 120

neurophius @ 110

Grrrrrrrr. Called the DC office of my newly elected DEMOCRATIC representative and asked her position on the war funding. First, the person answering the phone didn’t know her position and didn’t seem aware of the issue. Next, she suggested I write a letter. Finally, after asking someone, she said she believed my representative “is leaning toward voting yes.”

If she’s voting for it, why doesn’t she just say so?

who’s your critter, neuro? sorry i forget

Nancy Boyda, D-KS 2nd

Obey –”we ran outta options”

TeddySanFran @ 120

neurophius @ 110

Grrrrrrrr. Called the DC office of my newly elected DEMOCRATIC representative and asked her position on the war funding. First, the person answering the phone didn’t know her position and didn’t seem aware of the issue. Next, she suggested I write a letter. Finally, after asking someone, she said she believed my representative “is leaning toward voting yes.”

If she’s voting for it, why doesn’t she just say so?

who’s your critter, neuro? sorry i forget

TSF – do you have a critter with a brain and a sense of outrage (ironic that today a passer domesticus is showing more of both than most “democrats”).

Am stealing Jean2k’s labelling convention – just to credit the originator.

Obey blaming not having 60 votes in the Senate

VictorLaszlo @ 43

Donna Brazille just let Blitzer say that if Dems vote ‘no’ on the Iraq bill, they could be accused of not supporting the troops – without pointing out that that is a ludicrous argument.

IIRC, her response was “Absolutely”.

Brazille is the sort of consultant moron the “leadership” is listening to.

obey – “like it or not, we ran out of options” ‘cuz bush said no.

RonD @ 126

MS #60,
Hmmm, what would a TRUE opposition party support? IMO,
Single-payer healthcare.
Bring home the troops from, not just Iraq, but the other 120 or so nations where they are deployed as well. Reduce the defense budget accordingly.
Decriminalization of non-violent drug “offenses”.
An Apollo project to stop using fossil fuels for energy.
A trade policy that supports the middle and working class.
A progressive tax policy.
Ban on mercenaries.
Ban on private prisons.

I’m sure there’s more-in the meantime, we have the left and right wing of the Conservative Party.

How about adding a return to the rule of law and the protections guaranteed in the Constitution, especially habeus corpus? On the other hand, since these positions are only supported by 60 to 70% of the public, what chance would they have?

Mother Nature is ahead of the curve.

Flinging shit at Bush.

God Bless you Rockin’ Robin.

-GSD

noen @ 123

Mutant Poodle @ 119

I think cases are in order.

How about a tall, dark and handsome one?

Might freak my girlfriend out a bit, but I’m sure the demand is there…

TeddySanFran @ 132

Obey blaming not having 60 votes in the Senate

But you do have a majority.

Grow a fucking pair.

CHS,
Can we get a sparrow picture.

MP — I don’t have a Congresscritter. I have a Speaker who “represents” me in Congress.

LS @ 122

Birds can definitely take aim when they want to. I have a cockatoo, and she’ll only “go” when she’s in or on her cage – or if she’s “scared shitless”.

Maybe Cheney was lurking in the bushes again, so possibility three might be accurate.

obey – this shifts the debate to the appropriations for next fiscal year

juslin @ 114

BRB – i need a long tall cool one – anyone need me to bring one back?

If it has bubbles and makes me walk funny, I’ll take two.

GSD @ 136

Mother Nature is ahead of the curve.

Flinging shit at Bush.

God Bless you Rockin’ Robin.

-GSD

OK, got to do this.

RonD @ 126

MS #60,
Hmmm, what would a TRUE opposition party support? IMO,
Single-payer healthcare.
Bring home the troops from, not just Iraq, but the other 120 or so nations where they are deployed as well. Reduce the defense budget accordingly.
Decriminalization of non-violent drug “offenses”.
An Apollo project to stop using fossil fuels for energy.
A trade policy that supports the middle and working class.
A progressive tax policy.
Ban on mercenaries.
Ban on private prisons.

I’m sure there’s more-in the meantime, we have the left and right wing of the Conservative Party.

And then have each and every one of those never reach the floor. Those issues haven’t got a chance in hell in America today. To get to where they would have a chance will take decades of work. So let’s be realistic. (I’m not saying I don’t support you with these, I’d love to see them enacted.)

obey. you have lived up to your name. sad…

obey – i take some comfort in the thought that babe ruth struck out 1,300 times.

Obey is a whining, puny human being. He stands in the well excusing himself. “Shifts the debate…” “At least it ends the totally blank check…”

“The proposal before us will give Congress the opportunity to change the course of this war… in four months.”

Pap – utterly predictable, contmptous of his constituents, without merit.

“Even Babe Ruth struck out 13,000 times.”

Morris Sheppard @ 60

I do think we need a third party. I suggest we call it the Democratic Party. It would be nice if we had one.

I joined the Democratic Party for the first time in my life a few weeks ago. I had been a paying member of the Green Party of Alaska for 17 years. Before that, I was a Republican, but I was saved in 1982 by Jerry Falwell. Saved me from staying with the GOP, because I despised Falwell’s GodSquad the minute they began spewing their studied hatred.

The reason I left the Greens for the Democrats is because, even with abominable senior leadership, the flow of young and progressive people toward the Democrats is telling. It is beginning to show in the US House. If we can take two or three more Senate seats, the character of that closely divided body will shift markedly. I have no confidence in the Democrats’ ability to field a true progressive in the presidential race, but that is another matter.

The key reasons for staying with the progressive wing of the Democratic Party right now are that we are taking over the House – not just the Dems but the progressive, liberal Dems – and because a third party just won’t work. Not in this decade, at least.

TeddySanFran @ 132

Obey blaming not having 60 votes in the Senate

But isn’t that right? Politics is the art of the possible.

Brazille again!?!

I repeat a question epu’d earlier today:

Where have all the decent liberal/progressive spokespeople gone/been shelved???

Whyohwhy are we left to chew our nails to our knuckles listening to the likes of brazille???

Was this a MSM or a Dem. Party decision?

W.T.HEQQ?

selise @ 147

obey – i take some comfort in the thought that babe ruth struck out 1,300 times.

But he did hit 714 out of the park…which puts him, um, calculating here…714 ahead of you.

Obey hopes a majority of both Houses will see through the Administration’s smokescreen in September.

obey – saying he will vote for the extra non-iraq monies but not on iraq money.

not saying how he will vote on the rule.

Mutant Poodle @ 144

GSD @ 136

Mother Nature is ahead of the curve.

Flinging shit at Bush.

God Bless you Rockin’ Robin.

-GSD

OK, got to do this.

A perfect opportunity to pull this one out:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MieDFkhlByo

Too bad that bird can’t fly over Obey’s head.

dave @ 138

TeddySanFran @ 132

Obey blaming not having 60 votes in the Senate

But you do have a majority.

Grow a fucking pair.

I suggest forcing the rethugs to openly filibuster a bill to provide funds for the troops. Why cave just because you only have a majority? How would that go over – R’s actually filibustering a spending bill?

You know, next time a congressman like Obey yells at a good progressive constituent, maybe we shouldn’t give him a pass.

dave @ 133

VictorLaszlo @ 43

Donna Brazille just let Blitzer say that if Dems vote ‘no’ on the Iraq bill, they could be accused of not supporting the troops – without pointing out that that is a ludicrous argument.

IIRC, her response was “Absolutely”.

Brazille is the sort of consultant moron the “leadership” is listening to.

She and others are not “consultants”. They’re minders.

The Sparrow: The Bomber!

Siun @ 158

You know, next time a congressman like Obey yells at a good progressive constituent, maybe we shouldn’t give him a pass.

Yup

there was no requirement that they pass a supplemental – we have to keep remembering that

Siun @ 158

You know, next time a congressman like Obey yells at a good progressive constituent, maybe we shouldn’t give him a pass.

amen.

“Opponents of the war need to face facts”

You face facts, you fat bearded fuck

obey was good.

RevDeb @ 156

Too bad that bird can’t fly over Obey’s head.

But what realisticly do you expect them to do. What were the alternatives given they didn’t have the votes? I’m just wondering here.

149 eteller
thanks for the hope, and i think you are right

no one is in the chamber

Jerry Lewis up now.

Currently the foremost crook still serving in Congress.

AZ Matt @ 160

The Sparrow: The Bomber!

A B-43 Bomber! Lockheed can’t make this one…

selise @ 154

obey – saying he will vote for the extra non-iraq monies but not on iraq money.

not saying how he will vote on the rule.

Selise – the rule passed this morning.

Siun @ 162

there was no requirement that they pass a supplemental – we have to keep remembering that

exactly – moving the debate to the defense appropriations process takes that option away. it’s nuts.

noen @ 167

RevDeb @ 156

Too bad that bird can’t fly over Obey’s head.

But what realisticly do you expect them to do. What were the alternatives given they didn’t have the votes? I’m just wondering here.

Send them the same bill as before. It did, after all, fund the troops – it just pissed off Chimpy.

RevDeb @ 169

Jerry Lewis up now.

Currently the foremost crook still serving in Congress.

Might be tied with Jefferson.

noen @ 167

RevDeb @ 156

Too bad that bird can’t fly over Obey’s head.

But what realisticly do you expect them to do. What were the alternatives given they didn’t have the votes? I’m just wondering here.

The alternative is to keep sending the original bill to W. and let him continue to veto it. That way HE is the one not supporting the troops.

Jerry ‘The Jerk’ Lewis being a showboat.

LaFourmiRouge @ 171

selise @ 154

obey – saying he will vote for the extra non-iraq monies but not on iraq money.

not saying how he will vote on the rule.

Selise – the rule passed this morning.

holy cow! are you sure? i missed it? can you give me a link to the roll call vote?

iraq up – repugs bloviating – tighten your seatbelts – its going to be a BUMPY RIDE! h/t to bette davis

That bird shit should have been blown out of the air. Where was the secret service?

Siun @ 158

You know, next time a congressman like Obey yells at a good progressive constituent, maybe we shouldn’t give him a pass.

I didn’t think he was quite “given a pass.” The video of his tantrum has been played and commented upon thousands and thousands of times. He’s a safe seat who might come into line in a House containing about 25 more progressives in 2009. Then again, is there a real liberal getting ready to challenge him in the primary?

If you are watching CSPAN, please note: the man on your teevee has spent almost a million dollars in the past year staying one step ahead of Mr. Law.

njr @ 166

149 eteller
thanks for the hope, and i think you are right

Absolutely. This is a long haul, and instead of getting discouraged at time like this, we gotta double our efforts and get Democrats back into the DemocratIC Party.

noen @ 167

RevDeb @ 156

Too bad that bird can’t fly over Obey’s head.

But what realisticly do you expect them to do. What were the alternatives given they didn’t have the votes? I’m just wondering here.

Nothing requires them to pass the supplemental — they could, and should, tell Bush, “If you wanted the funds you should have put them in the Defense Appropriation Bill for FY 2007.”

Congress, just say “NO” to supplementals.

Mutant Poodle @ 173

noen @ 167

But what realisticly do you expect them to do. What were the alternatives given they didn’t have the votes? I’m just wondering here.

Send them the same bill as before. It did, after all, fund the troops – it just pissed off Chimpy.

And then get slaughtered in the media? You know that’s what would happen. Is that really an option?

TeddySanFran @ 181

If you are watching CSPAN, please note: the man on your teevee has spent almost a million dollars in the past year staying one step ahead of Mr. Law.

it’s a disgrace that he’s the ranking member of this committee

Selise:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll418.xml

Loo Hoo @ 179

That bird shit should have been blown out of the air. Where was the secret service?

Training another sparrow? it may be impossible for them to openly show disloyalty, but….

noen @ 184

Mutant Poodle @ 173

Send them the same bill as before. It did, after all, fund the troops – it just pissed off Chimpy.

And then get slaughtered in the media? You know that’s what would happen. Is that really an option?

They only get “slaughtered” in the media when DLCers like Donna Brazille and her ilk slam them. If the dems would get their talking points straight there would be a chance to get the right spin on it.

Brisingamen @ 183

Nothing requires them to pass the supplemental — they could, and should, tell Bush, “If you wanted the funds you should have put them in the Defense Appropriation Bill for FY 2007.”

Congress, just say “NO” to supplementals.

Ok, I like the sound of that but there is on thing. We don’t really have the power to control the message in the media. That’s an important consideration.

the sparrow is an enema combatant.

Steny up now.

“No matter how each member votes…”

How will YOU vote, Steny?

man oh man – i got my drink in the nick of time – i’m gonna need this…. hoyer making his excuse now……………

punaise @ 190

the sparrow is an enema combatant.

just doing a “fly-by”

Jerry Lewis in the house.

-GSD

Noen #145,
You are of course totally correct-but these(#126) and others are still things that should be pushed. Keep them in the public mind. Keep pointing them out. Eventually, at least some of it would gain traction. No matter how long it takes; the alternative is to embrace the status quo, or at least make peace with it.

I’m not nearly ready for that.

selise – David Sirota’s updated diary at Kos says they slid that rules vote through sometime earlier this afternoon, apparently:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..9255/80693

TeddySanFran @ 191

Steny up now.

“No matter how each member votes…”

How will YOU vote, Steny?

Steny is one of the biggest turncoats out there.

Pach’s offering up a new thread, House of Horrors, and will be live blogging for those not able to watch CSpan

punaise @ 190

the sparrow is an enema combatant.

yer just a very good person.
u keep us going… and going… and going ;->

Mutant Poodle @ 174

RevDeb @ 169

Jerry Lewis up now.

Currently the foremost crook still serving in Congress.

Might be tied with Jefferson.

cash in the freezer for a small telecom is small change compared to fiddling with the military contracts, lots of big contracts

juslin @ 114

BRB – i need a long tall cool one – anyone need me to bring one back?

Jack Daniels for me, Thanks

RevDeb @ 188

They only get “slaughtered” in the media when DLCers like Donna Brazille and her ilk slam them. If the dems would get their talking points straight there would be a chance to get the right spin on it.

True but the media is corporate controlled and won’t allow our message to get any real traction. How do we fight that?

BTW, I am just trying to flesh out what our real alternative are. I am as upset as everyone about this. But what I am looking for are practical real world strategy’s. That’s why I am pushing for alternatives. Just so you know.

Fuck YOU Hoyer!

Jerry Lewis introduces Bill Young (FL) as the SubCommittee Chairman — oops, the Ranking Member…. haha

Hiya RBG!

OOPS!!

Adie! :~)

LaFourmiRouge @ 186

Selise:

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll418.xml

thank you. they snuck it in among all the lobby/ethics debating. i recorded it, so at least i can go back and listen… but i must have stepped away for a bit then, ‘cuz i didn’t hear it.

seven dems voted against the rule. 7. that’s it. here they are:
Kucinich
Harman
McNerney
Stark
Moore (WI)
Waters
Clay

dems not voting:
Shea-Porter
Oberstar
Gutierrez
Jones (OH)
Lewis (GA)
Cardoza
DeGette
Engel

my rep, mcgovern, voted yes on rule.

damn.

p.s. here’s where scarecrow explains why the rules vote was the one that mattered for blocking this bill.

I called my representative. I called my two senators. I called Reid. I called Pelosi. My rep is already voting against it. Yeah. I told the senators it was not compromise, it was capitulation. That Rove was simply laughing at how the Dems had once more been manipulated because they operate out of fear. The Dems have enough power right now, maybe not to override a veto but certainly to NOT just rollover.

Mutant Poodle >

Might be tied with Jefferson.

Jefferson is a very small time player that is only in the spotlight for purposes of distraction from the main action.

Git a grip on reality !

“No place is so strongly fortified that money could not capture it.” – Marcus Tullius Cicero

pow wow @ 196

selise – David Sirota’s updated diary at Kos says they slid that rules vote through sometime earlier this afternoon, apparently:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo…..9255/80693

yeah i missed it… guess all we have left is the kabuki.

noen @ 150

TeddySanFran @ 132

Obey blaming not having 60 votes in the Senate

But isn’t that right? Politics is the art of the possible.

No, that’s not right. The ability to overide is not relevant to this issue. Let Bush keep vetoing, and let the Dems say “Bush is denying funds to our troops.” because that would be the truth.

And, really, the Dems could have probably gotten away with this despicable display if they hadn’t tried to tell us (and keep trying to tell us) that this was anything but a defeat. Beginning of the end? End of a blank check? Please. Do they really think we’re that stupid?

This is a moral issue for me, and it’s why it’s a litmus test. We are over there murdering innocent people for no valid reason every single day. The Dems have, at best, said that they’re perfectly willing to let the murder continue because they’re afraid that they might suffer political consequences if they stand up for good. That, in my book, is evil. I cannot support that.

I haven’t written off the Dems entirely yet. We’ll see what the end result of this is. But then, I’m one of those independents that left the party in disgust in the ’90s. I came back to help face down the threat of BushCo, not because I have some devotion to the Democratic party. If the Democratic party cannot face BushCo down, if I cannot trust them to at least try and fight the good fight (I don’t need them to always win) then they are useless to me.

If they are trying to fight the good fight now, using some ultra-subtle tactics that are opaque to me, then I need them to at least explain what they’re doing. The explanations I’ve heard from them so far have been nothing but BS.

Here’s more on Cheney’s plan to make an endrun around Bush to bomb Iran:

http://rawstory.com/news/2007/….._0524.html

Isn’t using National Security information in order to create a war without the President’s blessings grounds for impeachment or something? How can he do that?…Why am I even asking that?…(picks jaw off the floor)…

Ed*ard Teller @ 149

Morris Sheppard @ 60

I do think we need a third party. I suggest we call it the Democratic Party. It would be nice if we had one.

I joined the Democratic Party for the first time in my life a few weeks ago. I had been a paying member of the Green Party of Alaska for 17 years. Before that, I was a Republican, but I was saved in 1982 by Jerry Falwell. Saved me from staying with the GOP, because I despised Falwell’s GodSquad the minute they began spewing their studied hatred.

The reason I left the Greens for the Democrats is because, even with abominable senior leadership, the flow of young and progressive people toward the Democrats is telling. It is beginning to show in the US House. If we can take two or three more Senate seats, the character of that closely divided body will shift markedly. I have no confidence in the Democrats’ ability to field a true progressive in the presidential race, but that is another matter.

The key reasons for staying with the progressive wing of the Democratic Party right now are that we are taking over the House – not just the Dems but the progressive, liberal Dems – and because a third party just won’t work. Not in this decade, at least.

I’ve been a Democrat for 35 years, and I’m with you. But I am unhappy.

just want to make clear… any dem who votes against the resolution tonight, but didn’t vote against the rule this afternoon is trying to pull a fast one over on us.

I’m with ET@149 too but I’m very unhappy & very nervous.
Sure was bad timing for MN republican party call me to answer a survey this afternoon. Ha. I blew off some steaming venting.

Elliott @ 47

rwcole @ 38

Love the bird shit story

Clusterfuck: “Did anyone get a license number?”

don’t worry, Cheney’s on the case

UH OH – Someone’s goona get shot in the face!

Can’t find Pelosi’s vote at all

That sparrow is my new BFF.

selise @ 154

obey – saying he will vote for the extra non-iraq monies but not on iraq money.

Money is fungible.