Dear Democrats,
We are very put out with you right now. In fact, maybe you ought to go spend the night at your sister's house. Or go sleep on the couch, at the very least.
Before we left for work, we asked you to do one thing, and one thing only. Stop the war. Miinimum wage, that could have waited. Immigration reform, urgent, but not killing thousands of people each month. Lobbying reform, well, if you would just bring our soldiers home, frankly, we don't give a shit how much golf you fly off to Scotland to play.
The War in Iraq is a meat-grinder. Every hour that it goes on, somebody's kid dies in vain or loses his arm or leg, and for what? For nothing. Anything we manage to accomplish there for good or ill will be undone within a month after we finally do leave.
All we asked you to do is stop the President before he gets everyone killed. You didn't do that. You laid here on the damn couch all day, again, doing bong hits and playing PS3.
We could say that we're not angry at you, just very disappointed. But, actually, we're very angry. Very, very angry.
Go to your sister's. We'll call your sorry asses when we're damn good and ready.
And we might not call you at all.
Have a nice Memorial Day weekend. We're going to spend it not thinking about you.
Good night,
TRex and the Rest of Us, Your Former Shmoops.
P.S. DO NOT CALL AND ASK ME FOR MONEY. Then it really is over. Ask your damn mother for some money. And tell her I'm sick of doing her goddamn job.
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zed!
bullseye! *g*
Haha! Snarkalicious.
TRex speaks for me on this issue. My wallet is closed.
TribeScribe @ 2
You bribed Lolo to let you win.
burnspbesq @ 4
Me too.
I might give a little money to John Edwards, though.
burnspbesq @ 5
Where is Lolo? It’s only just after 10:30 here, and we hear the same fireworks every night.
Standing on chair clapping, TRex. We need to send your letter to every forking one of the doublecrossing, two timing rat bastoids.
(I let downstairs know)
Oh, and one other thing, Dems.
You weren’t really that good. We were faking it.
Here’s your toothbrush. Get the hell out.
Nice job TribeScribe!
I’ve taken Congress off my peeps’ list for the weekend, just so I can enjoy
Three Strange Days – School of Fish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2rw_XDVfsg
Aargh, I was distracted!!!
opie_jeanne @ 6
It feels good – I sent him a paltry ten bucks but it cheered me up. I like the Edwards and if Big Al doesn’t jump in Edwards is da man for brat.
burnspbesq @ 10
707
I have a little job for those who believed it was okay to approve more funding for the nightmare that is the War in Iraq.
I’d like them to show up at the homes of those who’ve now lost family members and break the news to them. They’re not doing much of anything else, and it’ll give them something to do. I’d love to know what those who supposedly represent us would say to comfort those who will never sit down to another family dinner or have another family gathering without mourning the one who’s no longer with them.
I want them ALL (and I’m speaking to you, Patty Murray and Maria Cantwell,) to know the gutwrenching, endless pain their cowardice causes every day to real people.
I don’t think it’s a lot to ask. Maybe they can take time out from the fundraising weenie roasts this weekend to visit with the families of a few soldiers.
I’m beyond furious.
-S
Lifelong resident of Washington State, and deeply ashamed to have voted for both Murray and Cantwell in the last election
Strategerie, perhaps the solution is to have Congress make the death notifications instead of the military.
opie_jeanne @ 6
Nope. Not me. I’ll increase my contributions to KCRW and the Yosemite Fund.
TRex!
Occupation, secret trade deals…
Denver ‘08 = Chicago ‘68 (with Seattle on top)
Suzanne @ 16
Suzanne, works for me. Let’s see how they deal with it. I issued the same challenge to the chairman of the Washington State Democratic Party last summer. He didn’t take me up on my generous offer, either.
Bastards.
-S
Congratulations, TRex, you got the last word. Well, almost.
burnspbesq @ 5
Today, after much meditation,
I am one with sparrow
I am one with zed : )
Memoria Day. Time for speeches, gatherings, patriotic gestures.
I wonder what types of receptions some of the Dem congresscritters are going to receive.
I’d bet some of them are going to get a few spine transplants. Or maybe even told quite bluntly that perhaps they’d better start looking for some way to redeem themselves VERY QUICKLY. Else, start looking for a new job.
And I wouldn’t be at all surprised if some of the Repubs get the same message.
Time will tell.
If the Dems have ANY sense at all they won’t back down on the next issue that comes up.
As for me, I will vote for who ever campaigns on ending the Iraq occupation in the next election ( for rep, senator, president). Dem or Repub, it doesn’t matter. Whoever I think has the best chance of winning.
TRex, you speak for me too. I just keep hoping that there is a plan of some sort in the works. The legislators know that the other two branches are in trouble, and the executive is crumbling.
But if that were true, everyone would have voted for it….
I just got a DCCC email asking for money.
Strategerie @ 19
Hard to believe. I like the idea, though.
Never, never, never send your money to big party organizations. That’s what rich people are for.
Send your money to local candidates who you know. Send your money to liberal organizations which help train candidates how to win. Send your money to organizations which organize voter registration of minorities, students and the elderly. Drive five people to the polling place EVERY election.
Support Blue America, ActBlue and your local version of that. Go to local precinct and district organizing meetings. Help us here on Blue America threads drum up knowledge of and support for Democrats who can challenge DINOs in the primaries.
Do these important things and we’ll expand our base, especially in your community and the US House.
But never, never, never donate to a major Democratic Party organization. They will fail you each and every time.
Jane actually gave me a very erudite and witty topic when I was at work, but somehow it got lost in the Saint-Saens Piano Concerto. I should have written it all down.
Well, you get this girl’s amazing voice and a burst of rage from me.
Everybody sing:
I’m so over you
That I’ve got no more to give.
I gave it all to you,
and you couldn’t handle it.
I don’t care
if you come
back to me
on your knees.
I just don’t love you no more.
Whoooooo-hooooooo,
I’ve.
Changed.
My.
Miiiiiiind…
LooHoo, they sent that spam out to everyone on their mailing list, including me (a card carrying Republican). No forking way in hell are they getting any of my money.
I have three congresscritters involved in this fiasco. The gooper, Kit Bond, I didn’t expect him to go against his war, no problem. Ike Skelton is a Dem, but a fossilized one, and again, no expectations. But I worked hard to help get Claire McCaskill elected over no-Talent, and I’m outraged she’d turn her back on those of us who wanted things to change. I’ve let her know this. TRex, thanks for encouraging us to do this sort of thing.
I hope Blue America has plans for red Missouri come 2008, and I want to do what I can do in that regard. My money all goes to lining my grandbaby’s diapers, but I can write. I can talk to people. I will happily put my little soldiering skills to work!
What makes me angry is that this is also about Iran. If they get our troops out of Iraq, that stops the push to Iran.
They haven’t done squat to keep Bush (Cheney) from turning this into a regional conflict. Congress has done and said exactly zero since it was reported that Bush offered Blair our military when the sailors were captured in March. They’ve done zilch since it was reported that Bush has approved covert operations in Iran. They’ve been silent on Cheney’s efforts to undermine anything Rice might be accomplishing (if she’s capable) diplomatically in the region.
Just read Steve Clemons today.
They’ve done nothing to assert their authority when it comes to Iran, and just tacitly invited Cheney to turn this thing into an even bigger nightmare.
Ed*ard Teller @ 25
DING!
TRex @ 26
short TRex: The late Romantic French composer ate my essay, pups…
DB, Marcy has a post up that piggybacks onto the Clemons post.
speaking of sisters (which I don’t have) – they say a tie is a bit like kissing your sister:
just back from a contentious public zoning hearing that after 2.5 hours of proceedings ended in a 4-4 vote… i.e. a non-decision. one commissioner was absent. blergh. NIMBY neighbors’ attorney worked the board members behind the scenes and the fix was in – four members clearly had their minds set before the hearing, and one of their colleagues even called them on it.
the matter is continued to next month’s hearing. shades of “meet me in September” on a petty local scale. except no lives hang in the balance, just a home addition.
Suzanne @ 32
Really? I’m sure it’s sensational, then. (Off to read it.)
War with Iran is my biggest concern. Unless there is a serious effort to stop it, it will happen. The most powerful people in this country want it to. They are already trying to make it happen.
that sucks, punaise – was it for your neighborhood or a project for work?
One bit of good news — as I always do when I stop in at 7-11, I looked over the front page of the Washington Times. They had to find something to fill the space left by not putting Monica Goodling on the front page. It’s a measure of how hard it is for them to find news that fits their slant these days that there was photo of Shrub posing in sunglasses that took up about half the space above the fold — a photo with no story. But even that didn’t fill the void, so below the fold was the story…
The leader of the Minutemen has had a purge of many of his top lieutenants and chapter heads, because they wanted to see some financial accounting for the group, or at least some vague idea of where the heck all the money went!
Hee! Couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch of racists! Suckers!
one of my work projects. they usually don’t get this nasty.
ouch, punaise, not a good day all around :(
Since it’s not visible enough
(no ceremony, no flag draped caskets)
It’s time to start planting crosses
Somebody come over and make me some dinner, please. I sooooo don’t feel like cooking.
brutal editorial cartoon slamming Pat Buchanan
TribeScribe, they are doing that in the SF Bay Area, in Lafayette. Also down near San Diego, on or next to a beach I believe.
TRex, I have some left over Chicken and Dumplings but fear they will clog the tubes if I try to put them into the modem.
Jon Stewart & FDL: Links to sanity. Feeling better finally.
FORK. I totally forgot about TDS – Al Gore on tonight.
barbequed iguana?
Mexican Radio – Wall of Voodoo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WT_0gPrzGA0
Redshift,
I read last summer that there was $1 million missing.
Suzanne @ 45
He’s opened with a knockout selection of clips from Monica & Gonzales. Sweet – can’t wait for former President Al Gore.
npb, i missed the first few minutes but still saw a lot of the Monica stuff… forking great!
Suzanne @ 14
Now!!!
Got cc’d an e-mail between members of the Ft. Richardson (Anchorage) and Ft. Wainright (Fairbanks) chapters of an org of military spouses against the war. I’d share it, but probably shouldn’t.
If you are unaware of the units involved, the Fairbanks-based Stryker brigade had its Iraq deployment extended last year, then extended again. When Rumsfeld went up to Fairbanks last summer to placate the families, he was shouted down and booed. The Anchorage-based Airborne brigade now in Baghdad is taking the highest casualties of any Army unit in Iraq – 43 dead since deployment, nine this week. That’s just dead. Many wounded. Many.
These women and their families are royally pissed at the Dems and what happened today. The Ft. Richardson folks are sure that with the victory the Dems handed Bush today, his ratings will spike and he’ll use that opportunity to extend the deployment of their spouses.
‘Nuff said…
Suzanne @ 43
Yeah, you’d better check your fax. That smoked salmon I sent five minutes ago can get pretty ripe in a day or so.
ET, how are you doing? I saw earlier that your boy enlisted.
Maybe someone already had the same idea, but here is what I did: Yesterday, I sent all my Congresspeople this note:
Dear _______:
If the Democrats fold and give the president war funding without a binding commitment to end the war and bring home the troops,
I WILL QUIT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY, after being a lifelong Democrat, and I will vigorously campaign to defeat any Congressperson who voted for this shameful bill.
I urge you to stand firm against a weak bill.
Sincerely,
and tomorrow morning, I quit the Democratic party. If enough of us would do this, they’d get the message that they need to grow a spine before we come back.
From now on, they need to woo me — no more Miz Nice Gal.
DiFi was quoted today as saying that the SJC was certain the firings of the USAs were politically motivated.
That means Rove.
Which should also mean – definitively – Gonzo hasn’t done his job to prevent the politicization of DoJ.
Friday could be interesting.
Later Firepups!
Kalliope @ 54
Sounds rational to me – will they even notice?
Today I got mail from the DCCC. Within 2 seconds, I’d found the “unsubscribe” button and clicked it.
No more allowance until you clean up this mess.
Loo Hoo. @ 53
Yikes!!! That’s news to me. He signed up for the draft yesterday. The recruiters call every day, but he hates this war as much as any 18-yo who hasn’t lost a close relative.
burnspbesq @ 17
Yosemite fund is good. I already give to KPCC and several other causes, so Edwards would be on top of that.
Al is saying wonderful stuff tonight. Gosh, what a concept – honest straightforward talking. I like this Al better than the 2000 version.
there may be something to the cry for tort reform if the tow-truck driver is deemed liable in this one:
restaurant? sure, perhaps. but the driver of the tow truck that the guy crashed into? come on…
Ed*ard Teller @ 51
I’ll hazard a guess that Bush’s popularity won’t be increasing over this. I just think the Democrats are going to lose support. That NYTimes/CBS poll today was pretty damning:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05…..5view.html
Anyone even remotely aware of what’s going on must be starting to wonder just when and how this thing is going to end. $124 billion for six months is a lot of money.
burnspbesq @ 17
Individuals’ money is just a drop in the bucket. Their millions come from corporate donors anyway.
But millions of us going to the Post Office tomorrow morning and registering as “Decline to State” will send a message they can’t ignore.
Suzanne @ 27
Me too. All of what you said.
OT, but does anyone know what’s going on with New Orleans? New levees coming? Plans drawn?
Suzanne @ 60
If this Al Gore ran, I’d vote for him.
Ed*ard Teller @ 58
Whew!
this is our cue, npb:
“Al Gore in 2008. Accept no substitute(s)”
(we differ on the plural)
Suzanne @ 60
Must confess I have always been besotted by Gore and long forgave him for the Ho-Joe pick and his transformation strikes me as the real deal.
ReElect President Al Gore in 2008. Accept no substitute.
punaise, in some states, you have to sue everyone involved. a relative in kansas (iirc) ran into that.
Redshift @ 36
That’s not really news. I read about this a week ago.
Suzanne @ 70
Umm. Why?
punaise @ 41
Saw his sister, Bay Buchanan on the Daily Show. How do people like that …. exist?
punaise @ 33
It’s still the nuts and bolts of our Democracy, ever be it so tattered and beaten, it’s still an essential civic cog!!! *g*
i never quite figured it out, cujo. i think that it has something to do with getting the insurance companies involved somehow. not an expert – just something that was triggered in my memory when pun brought up this case.
iirc, it is more of a procedural move rather than actually going after the tow truck driver.
on the other hand, my memory is aging.
Question1:
Anyone know the specifics of the bill
re: benchmarks for the Iraqi gov’t?
Question2:
Anyone else wanna plan a pilgrimage to
New Orleans for Habitat 4 Humanity or the like?
Maybe that’s the best way to take this into
our own hands….
Ed*ard Teller @ 58
Whew!
opie_jeanne @ 77
I think I was just mentioning civic duties…
Besides pissed, how is Alaska tonight, ET?
TribeScribe,
I want to know what the big plan is for New Orleans before I help. No sense fixing houses if they’re just getting flooded again later.
You don’t suppose there’s oil in them thar wetlands, do you?
Whew.
There.
One more post coming up in about half an hour, then bedtime for me.
Al Gore is a rock star – when he walked out on TDS set, the audience went nuts. And it’s like that everywhere he goes.
I think Gore might run. He’s “not planning on it” because he doesn’t have to. The momentum is building in his favor the longer he waits. He’ll run if he’s pretty sure he can win. I think he can. Big time.
Oh hells bells – Jon showed a clip from Preznut’s outdoor WH presser but skipped the bird pooping on him part. Hope You Tube gets it. grin
newspaperbrat,
I would have voted for Gore in 2000 if I had lived in a state where he had even a dim possibility of winning. Up here, the Alaska Green Party had to get 5% on a statewide race to remain a registered political entity, so I voted for Ralph, the Greens got 6 percent-plus, and so I stayed with them another six years, four months.
I read Gore’s first book when it came out and was impressed. It was the first pre-presidential campaign book I’d read since “Profiles in Courage” which seemed genuinely written. And it was much better written than Kennedy’s book. “Earth in the Balance” still makes fine reading.
Suzanne @ 75
I’ve heard of folks having to be named in a suit – as in they were involved somehow so their names are mentioned in the filing (or whatever it’s called). Never heard of someone having to be sued just because he was involved.
Not that it would surprise me that this is true, mind you.
If I’ve got Swopa’s figures from earlier today right, we are looking at about 120 more deaths per month from this thing. That means that between now and the vaunted September date when they cross their hearts really, truly, truly will hold Bush, or Al-Maliki, or somebody accountable—how and for what is somehow still not clear—something like 400 more of our own soldiers and sailors will have died. With Iraqi civilians being killed at around 3000 per month, conservatively, 13,000 or more will die by September.
I should think that such numbers would have been enough to get at least all the Dems united in applying a legislative armbar to this smash-and-grab “artist,” and frankly the Repubs should be every bit as ashamed as the Dems, because they can see the rot this is causing, too.
I guess it’s time to start making those who voted for this shit feel personally responsible for the attendant loss of life—especially the Dems. If someone is trying to extort them, it’s time they gave a hint, else what are we to think of them?
TRex, a Late Late Late nite?
other lisa @ 82
I think Gore could announce late this year and still have a chance at the nomination. He certainly has a backing among the voters, and folks who know about these things say he still has the connections he needs.
Suzanne @ 87
Jane got my email and helped me reconstruct the conversation we had earlier.
It’s in the timer if you want to go look at it.
ET – punaise jr. had to do the same draft registration last month, turning 18. no, actually it happened differently: when filling out the FAFSA (federal form that determines financial aid eligibility for college) it was a requirement in order to submit the data.
Suzanne @ 87
good lo’ someone feed the ‘pod,
he’s lost count of posts : )
TRex @ 89
No peaking…!
Did someone say Al Gore? All hail TiVo!
Suzanne @ 87
Late Nite cubed
Some time in October. After the Nobel Peace Prize!
Cujo359 @ 85
It may have something to do with “deep pockets”, the idea that even if you are found only marginally to blame, you could be liable for the entire amount because you have the most money. This idea of suing everyone would be aided by that, and it sounds like the insurance companies would benefit from it.
California changed the law to prevent that, but a lot of other states do not have that protection.
other lisa @ 94
Gah. Gore announcing, I mean.
Okay, I’m running out to a drive through. It’s been about two weeks since I had any fast food, and this is a break glass in case of emergency moment.
Back in a flash.
(rubbing hands together with glee) oh this is good, TRex, very good.
They can’t do that, o prehistoric one. There will be 150k troops in Iraq the day Bush scurries off from DC back to his pig farm in Texas. And there will be somewhere close to 2,000 American troops alive today who won’t see that day.
I wish them Dems could stop the president. At very least, I wish they could have mourned defeat at the hands of Bush’s Veto Sharpie and his GOP veto-upholding lickspittles, instead of BSing about a legislative victory.
But the numbers are just not there. To paraphrase Mencken, it’s hard to make someone vote against a war when his livelihood depends on it continuing.
There’s one option to stop the war: impeachment and conviction of Bush and Cheney. And that has to be initiated outside Congress, by public demand. If you’re keeping your pockets closed for Dems who voted for the supplemental, spend your money on that.
Cujo359 @ 85
Sounds like either, dueling insurance cos, or pursuit of the deepest pocket???
Afore you all take yer ball and go on home. Check out what Keith had to say today….
And realize that this fight we are in?
It ain’t gonna be settled in 10 or 15 rounds. Nope, we gotta be ready to go the entire fucking distance. Don’t like what the ‘Spineless Dems’ did today?
Well neither do I but….
I ain’t gonna stop my efforts to bury the ReichWing and their ‘Democrat’ enablers under the jail. Yep, under the jail.
And we’ve got one big advantage that the LieberMann Party don’t.
The American People are with us in this fight.
So quite whinin’ and….
Push Back!
prostratedragon @ 86
I’d say that’s very conservative, unless you’re just counting those killed by Coalition action. If you take that 650,000 in differential mortality as a basis (which was through last July, IIRC), and assume that the increase in the Coalition-related deaths is also reflected in the diff. mortality, then we’re closing in on a million Iraqis dead by now.
And I’ll point out again that Iraq wasn’t a terribly healthy place to begin with.
Suzanne @ 79
Lovely, Suzanne.
Summer’s here, the fish are a week away and the days are long and warm. The Rainbow trout have returned from Cottonwood Creek spawning and are starting to jump in the morning and evening. I’ve got everything ready for starting our outside garden this upcoming weekend. In the greenhouse, I’ve started second rounds of planting of greens like lettuce, arugula, spinach, bok choy. All the tomato, pepper and cucumber starters have been transplanted into big planters and are blossoming. One tomato is bigger than a quarter. Ms. ET is planning some summer hikes with her friends right now.
Suzanne @ 98
Not fair, not fair!!!! {jumping up and down stomping my feet}
I wonder if junk food is better than eclairs for the therapod’s waistline? His metabolism is so different than mine.
Suzanne @ 105
e-clairs are virtual – no calories.
other lisa @ 82
Gore won’t ‘run’. If he enters the race, his feet won’t touch the floor. And that, I think, the only way he enters the race: candidate and then president by a kind of popular acclamation.
And again, I think there needs to be a popular campaign to make it clear that if he chooses to enter the race, he’ll have a team of millions within the hour. Because he wants a tidal wave of support that will drown the voices of the pathetic media midgets that have sniped and trivialised during this week.
!Despida todos las Democratistas Invertebradas!
I theenk that by September, when everyone else ees caving een, once again, to el Chimperador, we weel know at least the first half-dozen primary targets for 2008.
(choplick)
Hasta luego perritos del fuego.
Suzanne @ 98
Awww, this Suxxxxxx!!!! (Jeopardy theme going off) ;)
ET that sounds lovely.
Reality is about to intrude on the Madame Speaker and Senate Majority Leader’s ‘compromise’. As I’ve predicted…the shit is now hitting the fan….
And I intend to email Madame Speaker and ‘Fightin’ Harry Reid every day to inform them of…
How many American soldiers died that day.
And to ask them….
How they are sleeping.
In comparative negligence states, if A says B damaged me, and B says I didn’t do it, C did it, and A doesn’t sue C, then the jury can find that C, not B, did it, and A gets nothing. So A sues C to prevent that.
punaise @ 90
Exactly. I already knew about that from filling out ETette’s FAFSA forms. He’ll get his tuition taken care of at UAA, because MS. ET and I both teach there, but school won’t fork over the funds without the FAFSA approval. The government certainly can’t complain about not having enough data on the parents of kids looking for financial assistance of any kind who are attending college or trade school, can they?
Sorry about the planning/zoning hassles, punaise.
El Gato, your coat is especially nice looking tonight.
pseudonymous in nc @ 107
Exactly. And that’s the kind of thing I saw tonight. And everywhere he goes.
open italics tag closed :)
Suzanne @ 116
I guess you beat me.
I feel a sense of connection with Gore that I don’t feel with any of the current candidates. I feel like he gets it. No learning curve.
I am getting faster, ET, that is for sure. You guys were very patient with me when I was learning the ropes backstage.
uh oh – my refresh disappeared..
Come on triple late night!
Tonight was the first time I heard Gore speak for more than just a few soundbytes worth. I did like his plain speaking about what is going on.
NPB, do a hard refresh on your page and that should fix it.
!El Gato Negro! @ 108
Google says:
All the Democratistas dismisses Invertebrate!
No es la tecnologia maravillosa?
Loo Hoo. @ 121
LLLNFDL!!!
any guesses about what LLLN is about tonight?
I was angry at the Democratic “leadership” all day and most of the evening.
Now I am just tired.
Everyone, have a good night.
g’nite neuro. sleep well (unlike the congresscritters)
Cujo359 @ 124
still, Google is getting better. I gotta say, the term “Invertebradas” says a lot more than does “spineless.”
Suzanne @ 126
Cleaning food out of your modem.
neurophius @ 118
He was great on TDS tonight, but he ought to sue his tailor. Honestly, his pants were floods, and his jacket made him look huge… and even if he has put on weight (he has) the cut of his jacket added even more.
(laughing) no, ET – he said he recreated the one the late romantic french composer ate.
Suzanne @ 132
Which may be why that composer is late.
Cujo359 @ 124
Ed*ard Teller @ 129
Google and Alta Vista are useful. It’s possible to piece together the meaning if you work with them a little. Both are still stumped by most sentences, though.
minimum wage went up. No wonder Bush has been acting so testy recently. He didn’t want to give up even an inch. Now he’s got big amounts of cheap illegal labor ready to become not cheap, and scores of corporations who pay for his political campaigns ready to lose money due to wage increases.
So the democratic leaders have proven that they are more competent at making deals and compromises than leading. No resolution to the Iraq War, but hey we got minimum wage up! It’s like saying you won a sports game because the other player was disqualified. Sure, you won the game, but everyone who was watching knows you were losing already!
Late Late Late Nite is up
Cujo359 @ 102
Yeah, I’m assuming the roughly 3000 per month increments that we hear about being found scattered about the major cities each morning, or in the big car bombs. No doubt there’s an undetermined number more that we have killed directly that are not counted in those numbers and not reflected in news that seldom reports on U.S. airstrikes and the like.
I haven’t read the Lancet study, but I know their methodology is the one of choice for all manner of epidemiological studies, and they had a high degree of documentation. Also, their upper and lower confidence bands in the second study were pretty tight as to order of magnitude—I don’t see how one can escape admitting that hundreds of thousands, not tens have died.
Edit: Make that confidence bounds, not bands [yawn].
Couch? Hell — let the dog sleep on the couch and you can go sleep outside.
and not a BREATH; not a syllable, of what is going to happen when the troops start leaving.
Or, about whom is going to get blamed for it.
If the democrats do this by themselves, it will be a GODSEND for the republicans.
They will be able to go on offense for the first time in a long time.
Karl Rove will look like he’s discovered the Fountain of Youth.
What you guys are demanding is that the democrats stop serving the paternity papers for this Rosemary’s Baby on George Bush, and raise their hands and shout “We done it!”
The pressure that bush and the GOP is under, from events themselves, and from the republicans who will HAVE TO DO THIS THEMSELVES in a matter of months, is, at this point, far worse than anything Pelosi and the democrats can pump up.
Singlehandedly forcing troop withdrawals will be political suicide for the democrats. We will lose everything we’ve gained, if they do this.
Think.
ProstrateDragon quotes “13000 or more will die by September”.
Excuse me: Does anyone on here think they will STOP dying, if the democrats can unilaterally force troop withdrawals? At which point, the onus for the dying, and for everything else that happens, will shift squarely to us, and the republicans will be going over to offense, grinning like bloody-handed possums, at the democrats stupidity in rescuing them.
In all this high dudgeon, is ANYONE willing to discuss what is going to happen when the troops start leaving?
I am so horribly disapointed in the Democrats, but your last suggestion is a great one. We should all send an email to Reid and Pelosi and tell them we will NOT SUPPORT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FINANCIALLY until they make Bush accountable for this war.
I know they will never spin it so the American people will know that they did not have enough votes, but they should damn well try to lay this on Bush’s and the Republican’s doorstep.
Cujo359 @ 62
This democratic cop out should have a big impact during the primaries. We need a new kind of democrat in congress, and new democratic leadership.
I’m not sure the Dems mind. In fact, they’ve been cheating on the left pretty openly for some time.
After all, they’re never willing to be seen in public with her and go out of their way to insult her among their friends.
I agree it’s not a healthy relationship. But we both know who the one who’ll come crawling back is. The left is such a sweet, forgiving soul after all, especially since no one else will go out with her.
Besides, in her heart, the left believes she really needs the Democrats. They complete her somehow; no matter how frequently they spit in her face.
The Democrats are just “GOP Lite.” The Socialist Party might seem too out there for many people, but at least they’re more sincere than the phonies of the do-nothing-but-compromise Congress.
I also believe a concerted effort to withold money from the Dems is in order. I add this too:
For the last couple weeks, the press has been running stories about how far ahead the Dems are in fund-raising. I think the stories are not limited to the candidates presently running, but the national party. I believe many of us really are furious and will withold money and if we do, I expect to see the Republicans catch-up rapidly and that should become a news story. If it does not, and the Dems continue to outpace the Republicans, then I am going to assume the Dems are being bought-off by K-Street and corporate interests, and that any hope of restoring integrity and order to our government by Dems is totally gone. At that point, I quit sending money out altogether–possibly even to local candidates. No matter who they are, they will be powerless after 2008 to change anything.
I love you, TRex!
burnspbesq @ 10
I want a divorce.
I just emailed Harry Reid, and thanked him for condemning 300 more American troops to death between now and the end of August. And that’s not to mention the hundreds who’ll be condemned to spending the rest of their lives minus one or more limbs–or maybe their mental faculties–nor the thousands of innocent Iraqis who are sure to be killed and maimed. And all because the Dems are afraid that 30 percenter Bush will be mean to them. I sure wish Russ feingold could donate some testosterone to his colleagues!
Come on, y’all. We gotta roll up our sleeves and get to work.
The Democrats are behaving like domestic abusers. Every time they tell us it’s going to be different, and every time they put our heads through the sheetrock again and tell us it’s because they love us, and then when they see the bruises they say next time it’ll be different, they promise.
Would we put up with this from our spouses, partners, or even friends? Hell, no. So why should we put up with it from our so-called representatives?
Yesterday I received one of those interminable DCCC letters begging for more money – a twofer, where my donation would be doubled. It had Pelosi’s name headlined on it as if it were she asking me directly.
I took the paperwork they wanted me to fill out and send back with my donation and tossed it in the recycle bin, replacing it with a letter demanding that they take my name off their mailing list. I informed them, on their dime (postage paid envelope!), that I will not give a single dime to the Democratic party again. I will ONLY give to MoveOn.org, Feingold’s Progressive Patriot Fund, ActBlue, and the like. I also let them know that I will also be tossing my full support behind ANYONE who challenges any of them in a primary, particularly anyone that challenges Pelosi or Reid.
I hope that they get the message. I really am finished with them. No more money and no more assured votes. They didn’t just screw up yesterday, they fucked up real real bad to an extent that is well nigh unforgivable.
This is it, TRex:
Tanbark @ 140
The same thing that will happen if they stay. The only difference will be that we won’t be in the middle of it.
Kalliope @ 63
In my state if you’re not registered Dem you can’t vote in the primary to stop Hillary from winning.
I prefer to vote for Gore or Edwards, thank you very much.
Tanbark @ 140
Some Republicans have been saying the Democrats who call for the end of our involvement in Iraq are irresponsible since there is bound to be a lot of bloodletting when we leave. They said Communism would sweep the world if we left Vietnam. They were wrong.
Anyway, our primary problem in Iraq isn’t the blood. It’s that our entire involvement is based on lies. Bush&Co are already war-criminals, so anything we do to end that is a plus.
What happens afterward is, unfortunately, their problem in Iraq. Bush started it, so the consequences are all his.